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You can see how Hillary Clinton’s issue with her private emails turns very messy and denies her the nomination, Joe Biden’s age is becoming a barrier to him getting the nomination, so much so, that’s he reportedly considering standing for only one term to calm those concerns about his age.

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ydoethur

Well - interesting thought TSE. But he's nearly as old as Clinton, and I can only think of one defeated candidate who ran again since WWII (Dewey had two goes, 1944 and 1948) - Nixon in 1968, who was younger than Gore and came back more quickly.

If the Democratic Party does break down and squabble, my guess is the membership will go for somebody totally unexpected. Unhelpfully, I'm afraid I have no ideas to suggest as to who it might be.

Speedy

No.
If Al Gore didn't have the guts to run in 2004 or 2008 he won't run for anything else ever again.

For comparisons, Nixon had a gap of only 6 years between his gubernational race in 1962 and him running again as the savior of America from the madness of the 60's in 1968.
Al Gore hasn't run for anything for 16 years, no person under the age of 30 remembers him and those who do have vague memories now.

RodCrosby

ydoethur said:

Well - interesting thought TSE. But he's nearly as old as Clinton, and I can only think of one defeated candidate who ran again since WWII (Dewey had two goes, 1944 and 1948) - Nixon in 1968, who was younger than Gore and came back more quickly.

If the Democratic Party does break down and squabble, my guess is the membership will go for somebody totally unexpected. Unhelpfully, I'm afraid I have no ideas to suggest as to who it might be.

Stevenson 1952 and 1956.

Plato

FPT @Speedy said

"History will be kind to him"

Said many about unpopular leaders through history.

Not necessary or true, but it's a comfort word. When people have a negative opinion, hiding behind the hope of history books is the last refuge.

Another

I'm still in shock over Gordon's speech. I've seen bad ones - but that was a shocker.

ydoethur

RodCrosby said:

ydoethur said:

Well - interesting thought TSE. But he's nearly as old as Clinton, and I can only think of one defeated candidate who ran again since WWII (Dewey had two goes, 1944 and 1948) - Nixon in 1968, who was younger than Gore and came back more quickly.

If the Democratic Party does break down and squabble, my guess is the membership will go for somebody totally unexpected. Unhelpfully, I'm afraid I have no ideas to suggest as to who it might be.

Stevenson 1952 and 1956.

Yes, you're quite right - I had forgotten that he was the Democrat's sacrificial lamb against the Ike bandwagon not once but twice!

None of the three are comforting parallels though. Two lost twice - Dewey throwing away a campaign that if we're honest, he should probably have won on the second occasion - and Nixon, well, he won, but...

OldKingCole

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

HYUFD

Probably only if Clinton is forced out of the race and Biden does not run. Though on present polling it is more likely to be Clinton v Trump or even Sanders v Trump than Bush v Gore

handandmouse

ydoethur said:

Well - interesting thought TSE. But he's nearly as old as Clinton, and I can only think of one defeated candidate who ran again since WWII (Dewey had two goes, 1944 and 1948) - Nixon in 1968, who was younger than Gore and came back more quickly.

If the Democratic Party does break down and squabble, my guess is the membership will go for somebody totally unexpected. Unhelpfully, I'm afraid I have no ideas to suggest as to who it might be.

Just like we're seeing in the Labour race, I don't think an anti-establishment candidate who polls well and can move thousands to come hear him speak can be ignored.

I expect Bernie Sanders to follow through and win primaries, possibly even with Clinton in the race but almost certainly so if she withdraws. In the latter case, a lot will depend on how many others decide to run. I reckon Bernie has quite a high baseline that he won't drop below, while undecided will split across however many other candidates run.

Speedy

Plato said:

FPT @Speedy said

"History will be kind to him"

Said many about unpopular leaders through history.

Not necessary or true, but it's a comfort word. When people have a negative opinion, hiding behind the hope of history books is the last refuge.

Another

I'm still in shock over Gordon's speech. I've seen bad ones - but that was a shocker.

It didn't help that he only used historical quotes from people who have died long ago as the backbone of his speech.
Nor of course the wild pace up and down or the background that looked like he was part of a carnival, it gave a feeling of "See the amazing Gordo, the man who speaks like a newspaper".

Plato

I see Andy has adopted another Slogan Du Jour "Only I can prevent civil war in the Labour party"

At this rate, Labour will be phoning Jeremy Kyle for help.

RobD

Plato said:

I see Andy has adopted another Slogan Du Jour "Only I can prevent civil war in the Labour party"

At this rate, Labour will be phoning Jeremy Kyle for help.

How inspiring. If this were happening to the Tory party I'd be right down in the dumps.

Plato

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

OldKingCole

handandmouse said:

ydoethur said:

Well - interesting thought TSE. But he's nearly as old as Clinton, and I can only think of one defeated candidate who ran again since WWII (Dewey had two goes, 1944 and 1948) - Nixon in 1968, who was younger than Gore and came back more quickly.

If the Democratic Party does break down and squabble, my guess is the membership will go for somebody totally unexpected. Unhelpfully, I'm afraid I have no ideas to suggest as to who it might be.

Just like we're seeing in the Labour race, I don't think an anti-establishment candidate who polls well and can move thousands to come hear him speak can be ignored.

I expect Bernie Sanders to follow through and win primaries, possibly even with Clinton in the race but almost certainly so if she withdraws. In the latter case, a lot will depend on how many others decide to run. I reckon Bernie has quite a high baseline that he won't drop below, while undecided will split across however many other candidates run.

Bernie as VP?

ydoethur

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

RobD

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

ydoethur

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

If you want really spectacular long service, try this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

There was also an English soldier who fought in the Civil War and was still fighting as a mercenary 70 years later when he was 89 years old, but I'm afraid I've forgotten his name!

However, the Americans are not electing a soldier (nor are the Labour party)...

EDIT: Ah-ha, found him - William Hiseland, his name was. Died aged 112.

HYUFD

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

Trump is 69, Jeb Bush 62 so whoever wins will almost certainly be in their sixties or even seventies

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

If you want really spectacular long service, try this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

There was also an English soldier who fought in the Civil War and was still fighting as a mercenary 70 years later when he was 89 years old, but I'm afraid I've forgotten his name!

However, the Americans are not electing a soldier (nor are the Labour party)...

Strom Thurmond at 98 years young was third in line to be President during the early part of George W Bush's presidency

Plato

That's always in the back of my mind - I wasn't even a Tory voter when IDS was elected and felt appalled on their behalf.

I thought EdM was dire from the get-go, this is video-nasty territory with Corbyn. It's very funny, but OMG!!!! at the same time.

RobD said:

Plato said:

I see Andy has adopted another Slogan Du Jour "Only I can prevent civil war in the Labour party"

At this rate, Labour will be phoning Jeremy Kyle for help.

How inspiring. If this were happening to the Tory party I'd be right down in the dumps.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

If you want really spectacular long service, try this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

There was also an English soldier who fought in the Civil War and was still fighting as a mercenary 70 years later when he was 89 years old, but I'm afraid I've forgotten his name!

However, the Americans are not electing a soldier (nor are the Labour party)...

Strom Thurmond at 98 years young was third in line to be President during the early part of George W Bush's presidency

And had of course run himself in 1948, splitting the Democrat vote (another reason why Dewey really ought to have won...)

rottenborough

I agree TSE. Already on him.

Plato

Ha!

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

ydoethur

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

Trump is 69, Jeb Bush 62 so whoever wins will almost certainly be in their sixties or even seventies

For the same reason, leaving aside for the moment the fact that he is barking mad and his business dealings are a bit dubious, I doubt if Trump will get it. Bush doesn't seem impossible on grounds of age, but I think he'll only be put up if Hilary is thought to be the Democratic candidate because I very much doubt if he will beat anyone else. Dynasties are not what the American presidency is designed for.

tyson

Speedy said:

No.
If Al Gore didn't have the guts to run in 2004 or 2008 he won't run for anything else ever again.

For comparisons, Nixon had a gap of only 6 years between his gubernational race in 1962 and him running again as the savior of America from the madness of the 60's in 1968.
Al Gore hasn't run for anything for 16 years, no person under the age of 30 remembers him and those who do have vague memories now.

I think Gore post 2000 has always stood aloof and aside, but ready just in case he is called upon. He would only come into the frame if he was the man to save the situation- a la Howard for the Tories.

FWIW- I thought Hilary appeared completed deflated and defeatist yesterday. I think she's tried and she may well step aside if things continue as is. Another 18 months of this?

Plato

That's really cool.

ydoethur said:

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

If you want really spectacular long service, try this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

There was also an English soldier who fought in the Civil War and was still fighting as a mercenary 70 years later when he was 89 years old, but I'm afraid I've forgotten his name!

However, the Americans are not electing a soldier (nor are the Labour party)...

EDIT: Ah-ha, found him - William Hiseland, his name was. Died aged 112.

tyson

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

If you want really spectacular long service, try this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

There was also an English soldier who fought in the Civil War and was still fighting as a mercenary 70 years later when he was 89 years old, but I'm afraid I've forgotten his name!

However, the Americans are not electing a soldier (nor are the Labour party)...

Strom Thurmond at 98 years young was third in line to be President during the early part of George W Bush's presidency

And had of course run himself in 1948, splitting the Democrat vote (another reason why Dewey really ought to have won...)

Who would have thought 53 years later he'd be a Republican and one well co-ordinated terrorist attack away from the Presidency.

ydoethur

tyson said:

FWIW- I thought Hilary appeared completed deflated and defeatist yesterday. I think she's tried and she may well step aside if things continue as is. Another 18 months of this?

A sensible observation. But I superimpose a sensible person on Hilary Clinton and I struggle to get the outlines to fit anywhere.

HYUFD

50.3% of Tory members want Cameron to stay beyond 2020, 49.6% to go
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/08/as-cameron-rules-it-out-a-bare-majority-of-party-members-say-that-he-should-fight-the-2020-election-as-tory-leader.html

ydoethur

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

If you want really spectacular long service, try this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

There was also an English soldier who fought in the Civil War and was still fighting as a mercenary 70 years later when he was 89 years old, but I'm afraid I've forgotten his name!

However, the Americans are not electing a soldier (nor are the Labour party)...

Strom Thurmond at 98 years young was third in line to be President during the early part of George W Bush's presidency

And had of course run himself in 1948, splitting the Democrat vote (another reason why Dewey really ought to have won...)

Who would have thought 53 years later he'd be a Republican and one well co-ordinated terrorist attack away from the Presidency.

It's not that bad- we once had John Prescott second in line.

malcolmg

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

You young whippersnappers are ageist

rottenborough

handandmouse said:

ydoethur said:

Well - interesting thought TSE. But he's nearly as old as Clinton, and I can only think of one defeated candidate who ran again since WWII (Dewey had two goes, 1944 and 1948) - Nixon in 1968, who was younger than Gore and came back more quickly.

If the Democratic Party does break down and squabble, my guess is the membership will go for somebody totally unexpected. Unhelpfully, I'm afraid I have no ideas to suggest as to who it might be.

Just like we're seeing in the Labour race, I don't think an anti-establishment candidate who polls well and can move thousands to come hear him speak can be ignored.

I expect Bernie Sanders to follow through and win primaries, possibly even with Clinton in the race but almost certainly so if she withdraws. In the latter case, a lot will depend on how many others decide to run. I reckon Bernie has quite a high baseline that he won't drop below, while undecided will split across however many other candidates run.

An article in today's Observer says that there is no way this will happen. Sanders is only doing well in states like NH where he is not facing large groups of Hillary's key voters. IMHO it will be Hillary, I'm backing a couple of others at high odds in case she falls under the proverbial.

malcolmg

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

wingsoverscotland is doing it

EPG

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

Plato

Everton Andy is also angling for DavidM to return to become “Labour’s best team out on the pitch” he said.

RobD

malcolmg said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

wingsoverscotland is doing it

I knew that site was a right joke!

rottenborough

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

Trump is 69, Jeb Bush 62 so whoever wins will almost certainly be in their sixties or even seventies

For the same reason, leaving aside for the moment the fact that he is barking mad and his business dealings are a bit dubious, I doubt if Trump will get it. Bush doesn't seem impossible on grounds of age, but I think he'll only be put up if Hilary is thought to be the Democratic candidate because I very much doubt if he will beat anyone else. Dynasties are not what the American presidency is designed for.

I'm on Fiorina at crazy odds. It's just possible that after months of mayhem she will stagger from the wreckage.

tyson

Brown should have gone off to the IMF with his reputation largely intact. He was singularly unsuitable to be leader of the party.

The Tories are going to face the same problem with Gorgeous George Osborne- someone with intelligence and cunning but more unlikeable, unappealing and creepier than Gordon (if that is possible)

Plato said:

Ha!

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

TheWhiteRabbit

Plenty of cash available to lay Clinton @ 1.4.

Although I had got on at ~1.33 I have topped up: the possibility that Clinton actually withdraws is on the cards. Mostly I was expecting to have a fight on her hands, maybe evens.

HYUFD

rottenborough said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

Trump is 69, Jeb Bush 62 so whoever wins will almost certainly be in their sixties or even seventies

For the same reason, leaving aside for the moment the fact that he is barking mad and his business dealings are a bit dubious, I doubt if Trump will get it. Bush doesn't seem impossible on grounds of age, but I think he'll only be put up if Hilary is thought to be the Democratic candidate because I very much doubt if he will beat anyone else. Dynasties are not what the American presidency is designed for.

I'm on Fiorina at crazy odds. It's just possible that after months of mayhem she will stagger from the wreckage.

Even Fiorina is 60

Sunil_Prasannan

Plato said:

Said Methuselah...

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

I haven't turned 40 quite yet

SquareRoot

tyson said:

Brown should have gone off to the IMF with his reputation largely intact. He was singularly unsuitable to be leader of the party.

The Tories are going to face the same problem with Gorgeous George Osborne- someone with intelligence and cunning but more unlikeable, unappealing and creepier than Gordon (if that is possible)

Plato said:

Ha!

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Brown's reputation was never intact. it was always flawed from his days in the treasury. He should never be allowed anywhere near any job to do with money, period.

HYUFD

Plato said:

Everton Andy is also angling for DavidM to return to become “Labour’s best team out on the pitch” he said.

A bit risky as David Miliband is the only potential rival to Burnham within Labour who outpolls him with the public but kudos for getting the best team

Sunil_Prasannan

Plato said:

I see Andy has adopted another Slogan Du Jour "Only I can prevent civil war in the Labour party"

At this rate, Labour will be phoning Jeremy Kyle for help.

I've got emails from Jezza and Andy so far.

Also Dan Jarvis 4 Stella.

tyson

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

MonikerDiCanio

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Brownian motion sickness.
A genuinely nauseating performance.

SquareRoot

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

Wrong target, but I accept I wouldn't trust a word Brown said, even if he said the sun was shining,

You should be thinking of what effect his intervention will have on Labour supporters.

Scrapheap_as_was

Unreal - Northants playing Aussie in the cricket.... guess what about watto?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/33673952

rottenborough

Plato said:

Everton Andy is also angling for DavidM to return to become “Labour’s best team out on the pitch” he said.

Five long years of footballing slogans if AB becomes leader.

HYUFD

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

Hmmm. He’s 67, which would mean that he’d be 72 by the time his term finished, which isn’t that old.

Oldest president was Reagan (77 on leaving office in 1989) - next oldest was Eisenhower (70 in 1961). After that, the next oldest is Andrew Jackson (69 years 354 days) in 1869 (if anyone wants to know more, this list can be sorted by age).

I've always taken the view (sorry @malcolmg!) that Hilary's age is probably a bigger stumbling-block to her chances than her gaffes and emails. Biden and Kerry I'm ruling right out for the same reason. I think Gore would have the same handicap, and wouldn't have Hilary's novelty value to compensate.

Surely if the Democrats get that desperate they can draft one of the Obama cabinet to at least put up a fight? Jack Lew perhaps - he'd be the next most senior after Biden and Kerry I think.

Trump is 69, Jeb Bush 62 so whoever wins will almost certainly be in their sixties or even seventies

For the same reason, leaving aside for the moment the fact that he is barking mad and his business dealings are a bit dubious, I doubt if Trump will get it. Bush doesn't seem impossible on grounds of age, but I think he'll only be put up if Hilary is thought to be the Democratic candidate because I very much doubt if he will beat anyone else. Dynasties are not what the American presidency is designed for.

Maybe, but at the moment those are the top 2 in the GOP nomination polls

tyson

Leg before Watson- I cheated thought and had a quick glimpse at the scorecard

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Unreal - Northants playing Aussie in the cricket.... guess what about watto?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/33673952

Scrapheap_as_was

On thread - I followed OGH and laid Hillary a lot at 1.25...

Plato

I think you'll notice @Speedy commenting on it. He's not a Tory unless I've missed something.

Rather than casting aspersions - watch Brown's efforts then tell us what you think of it.

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

rottenborough

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

CD13

Worry not, Mr Tyson, they won't be sentient when he's finished eating them.

tyson

Listen Rotten- politics is a game of two halves. The election ain't over until the final whistle is blown. The PM deserves a red card. One nil to the Tories, one nil to the Tories. Let's stop playing the ball instead of the man.

I can't stop. Football and politics- they should just merge them together. Life would be easier.

rottenborough said:

Plato said:

Everton Andy is also angling for DavidM to return to become “Labour’s best team out on the pitch” he said.

Five long years of footballing slogans if AB becomes leader.

MarqueeMark

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

He really needs to be slapping a bald chap about though.

Paging Neil Kinnock.....

Disraeli

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

NickPalmer

GOP debate effect seems to be wearing off for most people, though Carson is still making progress:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

The difficulty in reading these GOP polls is the absence of a clear alternative to Trump. That won't last indefinitely - someone will separate from the pack of people struggling to get into double figures and will probably mop up a lot of anti-Trump voting. But it might take a primary or two to make it clear.

Meanwhile, a big jump for Sanders halves Clinton's lead, though still a lot of ground to make up. Biden going nowhere at the moment.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

TheScreamingEagles

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Was the chicken choked?

Plato

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/632830430350307328

Sunil_Prasannan

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

In what way is PB a "Conservative web community"?
I voted Labour in May!

SimonStClare

TheScreamingEagles said:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Was the chicken choked?

No, It was bashed by the bishop.

Plato

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

OldKingCole

Australia have not yet avoided the follow-on against Northants and have only 2 wickets left. However there’s a festivity at one of our local hostelries and Wifi isn’t good there!

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Was the chicken choked?

After being "pulled"?

tyson

Nick- Bernie Sanders brother, Larry, is a fixture and fitting of Oxford City Council, sitting as an Independent Socialist Candidate. I knew him well- he was active in local services, always attended meetings, and asked intelligent scrutiny questions. Very Oxford for you.

If Bernie became POTUS (and that's a big if mind you, probably bigger than "Jez we can becoming PM") I wonder if Larry would still turn up for meetings about local residents mental health services.

NickPalmer said:

GOP debate effect seems to be wearing off for most people, though Carson is still making progress:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

The difficulty in reading these GOP polls is the absence of a clear alternative to Trump. That won't last indefinitely - someone will separate from the pack of people struggling to get into double figures and will probably mop up a lot of anti-Trump voting. But it might take a primary or two to make it clear.

Meanwhile, a big jump for Sanders halves Clinton's lead, though still a lot of ground to make up. Biden going nowhere at the moment.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Speedy

NickPalmer said:

GOP debate effect seems to be wearing off for most people, though Carson is still making progress:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

The difficulty in reading these GOP polls is the absence of a clear alternative to Trump. That won't last indefinitely - someone will separate from the pack of people struggling to get into double figures and will probably mop up a lot of anti-Trump voting. But it might take a primary or two to make it clear.

Meanwhile, a big jump for Sanders halves Clinton's lead, though still a lot of ground to make up. Biden going nowhere at the moment.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

The GOP top 3 in the latest post debate polls are Trump, Carson, Cruz, all 3 of them have something like 47% of the vote.
Meanwhile the establishment 4 (or anti-Trump candidates) are at 4th, 6th and joint 8th place with a total of 26%.

You see, it's the opposite of 2012, back then the establishment vote (26%) was united behind Romney, with the anti Romney vote split in 7 different directions, now the establishment is split in 4-5 different candidates while the anti-establishment is mostly united behind one of 3.

malcolmg

rottenborough said:

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

He was still crap

Plato

Golly, this isn't going away... "Kids Company paid LSE £40,000 for positive report" http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4525691.ece

Theuniondivvie

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

Actually I seem to recall that several Conservatives of a more Unionist persuasion did praise Gordie's Save the Union speech, albeit through gritted teeth.

MarkHopkins

Plato said:

Golly, this isn't going away... "Kids Company paid LSE £40,000 for positive report" http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4525691.ece

There should be some prosecutions over this.

tyson

Plato- if my partner fell under the proverbial, sadly there could be no future for us. Your political views I could stand- just, but not the meat eating. Supposing you got a bit of bacon stuck in your mouth. Yuck.

Plato said:

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Speedy

MarkHopkins said:

Plato said:

Golly, this isn't going away... "Kids Company paid LSE £40,000 for positive report" http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4525691.ece

There should be some prosecutions over this.

I doubt it.

HurstLlama

MarkHopkins said:

Plato said:

Golly, this isn't going away... "Kids Company paid LSE £40,000 for positive report" http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4525691.ece

There should be some prosecutions over this.

That is about as likely as the Chilcott enquiry reporting any time soon. And for the same reasons.

Speedy

While we at the US election thread, I have to post this from the Sunday Times in case no one has posted it already:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/People/article1594307.ece?CMP=Spklr-_-Editorial-_-FBPAGE-_-TheTimesandTheSundayTimes-timesandsundaytimes-_-20150816-_-News-_-222937462&linkId=16337351

"DIANA, Princess of Wales was pursued after the break-up of her marriage by Donald Trump, the billionaire now seeking the US presidency, according to Selina Scott, the broadcaster.

“He bombarded Diana at Kensington Palace with massive bouquets of flowers, each worth hundreds of pounds,” Scott reveals today.

“Trump clearly saw Diana as the ultimate trophy wife,” she writes in News Review.

“As the roses and orchids piled up at her apartment she became increasingly concerned about what she should do. It had begun to feel as if Trump was stalking her.”

Scott says Diana confided in her over dinner. “‘What am I going to do?’ she asked. ‘He gives me the creeps.’ ‘Just throw them in the bin,’ I advised. Diana laughed.”

Imagine if she married Trump, and Trump actually won the presidency the First Lady of America would have been the ex-wife of the future King of the UK and mother to other future Kings.
That would be something on state visits.

Just think of the introductions "William I like you to meet your new dad".

Disraeli

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

He was still crap

Crap he may be, but he annoyed a lot of English people.
Surely you must appreciate him for at least that!

Disraeli

tyson said:

Plato- if my partner fell under the proverbial, sadly there could be no future for us. Your political views I could stand- just, but not the meat eating. Supposing you got a bit of bacon stuck in your mouth. Yuck.

Plato said:

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Or a bit of roasted baby.

Sunil_Prasannan

Plato said:

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

TSE: "Do you want a drink?"

Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"

TSE: "If you want!" (He also takes a bottle of meat from the fridge).

Sunil: "Meat...? Ugh!"

TSE: "It's what Ian Rush drinks."

Sunil: "Ian Rush?"

TSE: "Yeah, an' he says if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up I'm only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"

Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"

TSE: "Exactly!"

Danny565

I think a Corbyn win might itself boost Bernie Sanders' chances. Lefties will look at it and think "wow, it really is possible".

TCPoliticalBetting

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

Plato- if my partner fell under the proverbial, sadly there could be no future for us. Your political views I could stand- just, but not the meat eating. Supposing you got a bit of bacon stuck in your mouth. Yuck.

Plato said:

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Or a bit of roasted baby.

roast? Boiled is best.

Plato

Saw a very interesting show on Food Network about US lamb and why it wasn't that popular/tasted very different. Apparently it's corn, not grass fed and doesn't have that gamey quality.

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

Plato- if my partner fell under the proverbial, sadly there could be no future for us. Your political views I could stand- just, but not the meat eating. Supposing you got a bit of bacon stuck in your mouth. Yuck.

Plato said:

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Or a bit of roasted baby.

TCPoliticalBetting

MarkHopkins said:

Plato said:

Golly, this isn't going away... "Kids Company paid LSE £40,000 for positive report" http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4525691.ece

There should be some prosecutions over this.

When will Panorama do a programme into the role of the Trustees in Kids Company? When Hell freezes over?

Plato

I suspect Colonel Sanders will be more influential.

Danny565 said:

I think a Corbyn win might itself boost Bernie Sanders' chances. Lefties will look at it and think "wow, it really is possible".

MonikerDiCanio

Disraeli said:

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

He was still crap

Crap he may be, but he annoyed a lot of English people.
Surely you must appreciate him for at least that!

It has been said that Douglas Haig was the greatest ever Scottish general in that he killed the most Englishmen. Some might apply the same logic to Brown in the economic sphere.

Speedy

Plato said:

I suspect Colonel Sanders will be more influential.

Danny565 said:

I think a Corbyn win might itself boost Bernie Sanders' chances. Lefties will look at it and think "wow, it really is possible".

I think so too, Corbyn would have as much impact on the US race as KFC, but if he won and actually goes to the US and campaigns for Sanders then than would have an impact.

notme

SeanT said:

This is incredible. A pro-Corbyn Labour MP - LABOUR - attacks Gordon Brown's record on "economic credibility" by saying he has none.

A massive domestic brawl ensues, with the kids left weeping upstairs, as Mum hurls hot chip fat at Dad, and Dad gives her a shiner. Read the whole thing.

http://tinyurl.com/p9m4zel

That really is incendiary.. An MP should know better.

RodCrosby

Plato said:

I suspect Colonel Sanders will be more influential.

Danny565 said:

I think a Corbyn win might itself boost Bernie Sanders' chances. Lefties will look at it and think "wow, it really is possible".

Little known fact. Or nugget. (^_-)

George Wallace wanted the Colonel as his Veep in 1968...

Speedy

SeanT said:

This is incredible. A pro-Corbyn Labour MP - LABOUR - attacks Gordon Brown's record on "economic credibility" by saying he has none.

A massive domestic brawl ensues, with the kids left weeping upstairs, as Mum hurls hot chip fat at Dad, and Dad gives her a shiner. Read the whole thing.

http://tinyurl.com/p9m4zel

Well it's true isn't it.
Brown doesn't have a record on economic credibility since the crash.
In fact Labour as a whole doesn't have that since the crash.

TheScreamingEagles

I forgot to mention, Al Gore's home town is Carthage*, he announced both his previous Presidential runs in Carthage.

As we all know, only losers come from Carthage.

**Carthage, Tennessee

Plato

I'm beginning to wonder if my joke about phoning Jeremy Kyle isn't so wide of mark.

What are they thinking of? It's as if they've forgotten Twitter can be seen by everyone.

notme said:

SeanT said:

This is incredible. A pro-Corbyn Labour MP - LABOUR - attacks Gordon Brown's record on "economic credibility" by saying he has none.

A massive domestic brawl ensues, with the kids left weeping upstairs, as Mum hurls hot chip fat at Dad, and Dad gives her a shiner. Read the whole thing.

http://tinyurl.com/p9m4zel

That really is incendiary.. An MP should know better.

notme

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

Plato- if my partner fell under the proverbial, sadly there could be no future for us. Your political views I could stand- just, but not the meat eating. Supposing you got a bit of bacon stuck in your mouth. Yuck.

Plato said:

I ate Larry the Lamb with new potatoes. Bambi is in the pot tomorrow :yummy:

Disraeli said:

tyson said:

I trust you haven't felt the need to kill any sentient creatures in order to indulge in the delights of your Sunday fare.

ydoethur said:

tyson said:

RobD said:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/

Please can someone put this to the Benny Hill music....

Blinking heck- if Oliver Stone does another movie about Nixon all Gordon has to do is perfect an American accent.

Absence makes the ex-PM go wander...

@TSE, we are fortunate indeed that Al-Qaeda were not better organised.

And with that, I am off to sample the delights of a roast dinner. Hope everyone has a great evening.

I believe that the centrepiece of the dinner is(was) an extreme right-wing Tory supporting chicken....so not "sentient" at all.

Or a bit of roasted baby.

roast? Boiled is best.

Lamb really is my favourite meat. Two best ways that i enjoy immensely:

i) Leg prepared by making incisions, filled with slithers of garlic and sprigs of rosemary, optionally coated in a jam of some kind and then roasted.
ii) Whole leg of lamb deboned and buterfly cut. Seasoned with lemon and cumin with a few other spices, cooked for twenty five minutes in oven then thrown onto the BBQ.

Amazing...

malcolmg

Disraeli said:

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

He was still crap

Crap he may be, but he annoyed a lot of English people.
Surely you must appreciate him for at least that!

He annoyed a lot more than English people

Plato

That's a great factoid.

Get's me thinking of Elvis and Colonel Tom Parker.

RodCrosby said:

Plato said:

I suspect Colonel Sanders will be more influential.

Danny565 said:

I think a Corbyn win might itself boost Bernie Sanders' chances. Lefties will look at it and think "wow, it really is possible".

Little known fact. Or nugget. (^_-)

George Wallace wanted the Colonel as his Veep in 1968...

SouthamObserver

Speedy said:

Plato said:

I suspect Colonel Sanders will be more influential.

Danny565 said:

I think a Corbyn win might itself boost Bernie Sanders' chances. Lefties will look at it and think "wow, it really is possible".

I think so too, Corbyn would have as much impact on the US race as KFC, but if he won and actually goes to the US and campaigns for Sanders then than would have an impact.

Yep - hangin' with Hamas and Hezbollah is always a vote winner in the US. That said, the IRA connection might play well with the plastics in Boston, Buffalo and New York.

Disraeli

MonikerDiCanio said:

Disraeli said:

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

He was still crap

Crap he may be, but he annoyed a lot of English people.
Surely you must appreciate him for at least that!

It has been said that Douglas Haig was the greatest ever Scottish general in that he killed the most Englishmen.

Oh! Cruel, but witty. I wonder who first said that?

Of course, if the Scottish people decide democratically that they want independence then it must be respected, sad though it would make me, as an old unionist.

If I could make three groups of people "mend their ways" and abandon their particular passion, it would be:
1) ISIS supporters,
2) Scottish Nationalists,
3) Arsenal supporters.

malcolmg

MonikerDiCanio said:

Disraeli said:

malcolmg said:

rottenborough said:

EPG said:

If there's one topic I wouldn't trust PB on it's a Gordon Brown speech.

Like most other mainstream Conservative web communities like ConHome or Guido, PB coalesced during the Brown ministry and the personal contempt of him justified unity under the not-very-different policies of David Cameron. On the day of his Scotland speech you would almost have thought he had lost it for No, but I think there was more chat about the RAF or trains because obviously nobody listens to the hated Loonie McBroon.

I'm on PB and I have a lot of time for Brown. History will be kinder than contemporary thinking, e.g. keeping us out of Euro.

He was still crap

Crap he may be, but he annoyed a lot of English people.
Surely you must appreciate him for at least that!

It has been said that Douglas Haig was the greatest ever Scottish general in that he killed the most Englishmen. Some might apply the same logic to Brown in the economic sphere.

I think you will find he did for more Scots, he was not just mean to the English

He was the Army's equivalent of Brown

Financier

It would appear that the USA and the Labour party have the same problem - desperately looking for a good leader.

GB today appeared to be in denial about 2010.

SouthamObserver

notme said:

SeanT said:

This is incredible. A pro-Corbyn Labour MP - LABOUR - attacks Gordon Brown's record on "economic credibility" by saying he has none.

A massive domestic brawl ensues, with the kids left weeping upstairs, as Mum hurls hot chip fat at Dad, and Dad gives her a shiner. Read the whole thing.

http://tinyurl.com/p9m4zel

That really is incendiary.. An MP should know better.

He's a Corbyn supporting Labour MP. That's all you need to know to know that he's a moron. No doubt he'll be in the Shadow Cabinet soon doing Nick Palmer proud.