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Looking at the front page of the Independent on Sunday, I suspect most of the focus will be on Jeremy Corbyn’s plans to bring back clause IV, but the most interesting aspect of that front page for me is all of the deputy leader candidates saying they will serve under Jeremy Corbyn if he becomes Labour leader.
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However, it also occurs to me that should there be a successful coup, the person with the unenviable task of clearing up the mess would be the deputy leader as the acting leader. Angela Eagle wouldn't be up to that (to misquote Lloyd George, she's not bad as Mayor of Liverpool in a lean year). Watson might enjoy himself though - banging heads together and pretending he is in charge of events is the sort of thing he loves doing.
If they have and allowed Corbyn a free run, then they utterly deserve to lose.
Well that's the ultimate Blairite fetish right there, and Jezza wants to resurrect it. Can't think of a bigger Jog On to the Progress segment of the Party.
What will JC announce next - he's got a couple of days left... closed shops? Union bloc votes?
Kendall has done most of that, but unfortunately she has been telling Labour some hard truths that they appear simply unwilling to hear at this stage.
Burnham and Cooper - the most charitable thing that can be said about them is that they don't appear to care who wins.
This leadership election has been a humiliating shambles for the Labour party - made worse by the fact that many people within the party appear to be living in the naive hope that it is galvanising politics in their favour.
I predict that by September, a sizeable minority of the Labour Party will be in despair that the membership did/didn't vote for Jeremy as leader....
Gordon's Legacy has the Left stuck with no money to spend, and a lot of empty rhetoric/posturing. The virtue signalling that's occupied so much of the Left's language of superiority is now identified for what it is.
A good thing it is too.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/08/yvette-cooper-interview-labour-party-strong-extreme
The one small thing she forgot to say is what she would do if she did win. 'Vote for me, I'm a woman and I want to be Prime Minister' is not really a convincing pitch.
EDIT: some contortions like this uncharacteristically muddled piece from Frank Field:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/09/frank-field-jeremy-corbyn-immigration-nhs-tough-questions
Miss Plato, sounds like a negative media spiral to me. Ahem.
After researching to find out what Clause 4 was (I'd heard of it being abolished around 1994 or so, but not what it actually was) it appears to be communism.
This is extremely bad news. The UK needs an active, competent opposition which isn't Syriza with a beard.
Edited extra bit: and don't underestimate the damage this'll do even if he's leader but never has a shot at being PM. Miliband's idiotic energy price freeze harmed industry, and this would be far worse.
The second point I completely agree with, along with @Sandpit's point. Democracy can't function if there is effectively only one party. We've been trying that since 1979 and it hasn't worked well - in fact, it's been hugely damaging to the entire political system and the very fabric of our country.
Factoring in the DNV segment into your winning strategy strikes me as very silly. If you get them, it's icing on the cake, not the cake itself.
Corbyn is planning to bury New Labour and then dance on its grave. Their reaction will be interesting. Will they organise a fightback or will they slink away with their tails between their legs?
It may be a golden opportunity for Farron (less so Farage, whose hokey-cokey nonsense has damaged him).
Why did she need a chauffeur in the first place?
As for the second, if New Labour want to fight back, they need to do it by winning this contest as they will not get a second chance once they lose control of the party machine to Corbyn. They have not merely failed to contest it properly, they have been totally outmanoeuvered. No wonder Blair himself has sounded both panicky and furious recently!
Sandpit
"If true as written (rather than an embellishment on the part of the newspaper or their source) that is surely a clear cut case of fraud? "
Pretty disgraceful of that rag to publicise a story like that-even using a pixilated photo of the young girl-with the obvious distress it will cause. There really is no limit to the Mail's malevolence.
All large parties are by definition broad churches, but surely the views of this particular group are much much closer to Cameron's Conservatives than Corbyn's Labour?
Miss DiCanio, cheaper than four palanquin-bearers?
Edited extra bit: in trivial news, just listening to Absolute 70s. Didn't realise The Corrs had covered Fleetwood Mac when they did Dreams.
When was the last labour to Tory switcher? Has there ever been one for MPs?
But if Corbyn only promotes those on the far left, as seems probable given what he has said, he can only attract votes on the far left, as Iain Duncan Smith could only attract them on, if not the far right, at least beyond the centre-right. There simply are not enough people who identify with those groups to win a general election or even come close to doing so.
'Vote for me, I'm a woman and I want to be Prime Minister' is not really a convincing pitch."
Why not? It's a two horse race so drawing attention to her USP against Cameron is as good a pitch as any.
She could have gone on to say she was state educated and not born with a silver spoon but those would be USPs shared with the other three Labour hopefuls so not useful
The problem for Labour is that Corbyn is creating chaos (because he wants to announce as many policies as possible to give him the greatest possible mandate to change the Labour Party back to where he wants it to be, and hang the country), and leaving the others with no where to go except to compete in announcing policies on the path to electoral oblivion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Prentice
Mr. Observer, I think that's a perfectly valid view, unlike the communist tripe spouted by the man who might be your leader.
She's Oxford PPE - the cradle of spin
and Harvard - the birthplace of the financial crisis
looks a bit silver spoony from where I'm sitting.
So although you're right that it's made her life more difficult, it doesn't really argue for her strategic nous. But again, Corbyn has not so much thrown a spanner in the works as a steam hammer, and I can well believe she didn't foresee that!
Normally they would be based on competitions or examinations based on specific sorts of aptitude (sport, music, maths, art etc.) Different schools have different focuses (e.g. Princethorpe in Coventry is big on sport - Ian Bell was a beneficiary of that).
It is of course possible that she was/is a very talented child encouraged to be put in for the exam after coming to this trustee's attention. But if charitable money was used to support her place - well, as Plato says, at the very least it looks bad.
Condemn it, without reserve, and those who aren't bonkers communists devoid of numeracy will flock to the one who plants their banner in the opposing ranks.
I have heard of stories of super bright children in 'care' being sent to boarding school to get them away from whatever bad influences were around them, but only with the involvement of physiologists and careful consideration of how much it was costing the public purse. That to me seems like a great idea, if a kid can end up at university rather than prison aged 18 and have a chance to make something of their life.
This story doesn't look like that though, it looks like a favour using the charity's money to an employee. That's not what a charity should be doing.
It would be funny if Suzanne Evans took over from Farage and Jezza became Labour leader with Watson as deputy. I suspect Labour would still accuse Ukip of misogyny without recognising the hypocrisy.
Especially as Yvette has been complaining about the Tories trying to even up the ratio of peers in the HoL.
Do they not notice the hypocrisy or do they think we won't? I find it insulting.
Come on, Labour, I haven't lost faith in you completely. You can still elect Liz, she has the requisite number of ovaries.
This doesn't appear to be the case. I have heard of stories of super bright children in 'care' being sent to boarding school to get them away from whatever bad influences were around them, but only with the involvement of physiologists and careful consideration of how much it was costing the public purse. That to me seems like a great idea, if a kid can end up at university rather than prison aged 18 and have a chance to make something of their life.
This story doesn't look like that though, it looks like a favour using the charity's money to an employee. That's not what a charity should be doing.
I suppose a silver spoon is relative but it doesn't sound very silver spoony to me.
Think Whites of St James's or the Bullingdon.
We're not talking Normanton Pontefract and Castleford Rotarians
PS - at the moment Cooper is of course not running against Cameron, but against Corbyn and Burnham. Corbyn's background is pretty similar to hers - Burnham's was rather less privileged. So it wouldn't be a wise move to emphasise it in an egalitarian party.
I used to dream of being in Pontefract Rotarians, the Ludlow Cowmuck Guild doesn't have quite the same cachet.
"What's your opinion of that filthy rag, the Mirror, lying about the UKIP, candidate which resulted in the loss of his job and home?"
I don't know the story. I'm trying to live the life of the bon viveur now that Labour have imploded so I'm not too in touch. I'll google.....
......But the Mail story is certain to cause a young girl enormous (and possibly lasting) distress through no fault of her own so the UKIP story would have to be pretty awful to compete
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/teenagers-forced-to-study-fewer-alevels-in-squeeze-on-public-spending-says-exam-boss-10446807.html
I have to say though, I can't get het up over the idea of linear exams and three A-levels. That's what I did, after all, and I never saw any clear evidence the new system was an improvement. (Don't necessarily believe universities when they say the new system helped decide places - the Pre-U course, a linear two year model, was brought in because they thought AS and A levels were (A) much too high pressure and exam focussed and (B) not very effective at stretching the brightest candidates.)
These were not the values of Old Labour either.
If the Labour Party choose him as leader, then they are sending the clearest possible signal that they are not a serious political party, they are not even like Syriza but more like Golden Dawn, they are no longer liberal, they are no longer progressive - in the true meanings of those words. If the Deputy Leader candidates serve under him, then they associate themselves with those views. They ought to have more self-respect and more respect for those voters who would like to have a sensible social democratic alternative in this country.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/for-the-record/alex-wood-an-apology-6209529
"So if Cameron sent his son to Eton and The Mirror reported on and criticized that decision, you'd be outraged."
It's rather worse than that. If a newspaper reported that Cameron had robbed a charity to send his child to Eton (pixilated photo of young Cameron) plus photos of well heeled pupils in their lavish surroundings then yes I'd be equally outraged
http://labourlist.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Rule-Book-2013.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/jul/27/july7.religion
Bringing back clause 4 shows that Corbyn wants a defenceless Britain with open borders to it's many enemies, who state openly that they want to destroy Britain and democracy from within. But then the new fuhrer, Corbyn, has already stated that he is best of friends with Hisbolah (Iran), and Hamas (Iran and ISIS): by his friends shall he be known.
From memory the most important part was that a strike needed to be called by a secret ballot of all the members in the workplace. Shock horror. Say it isnt so....
What was KC’s criteria for being a ‘client’ one wonders? – A father in full time employment earning £40K PA would suggest neither single mother/broken home status or financially destitute. – It does rather bring into question the validity of Batman’s 36,000 claim and no doubt many more inconsistences like these will be reported in the press before this sorry episode is put to bed.
The obvious losers would be the Greens, as now there would be two parties going after the batshit cray vote.
The one good thing from the total demise of the Labour Party and the Lib Dems.
Is that the Conservative party has total power, and no effective opposition in England.
New Labours main opposition was the press.
The Conservatives will not face that problem.
So the opposition will come from elsewhere.
This will eventually lead to change in the FPTP system, as it becomes irrelevant to the majority.
At some point even partisans except the need for change, before opposition goes onto the streets instead of the ballot box.