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Hilton, Woodside and Stockethill (SNP defence) and Kincorth, Nigg and Cove (SNP defence) on City of Aberdeen
Result of council at last election (2012): Labour 17, Scottish National Party 15, Liberal Democrats 5, Conservatives 3, Independents 3 (No Overall Control, Labour short by 5)

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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Uno
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    LDs in melt down! Peak kipper confirmed! Tories 40%!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    That's fieldwork in the period BC of course

    (Before Corbyn)

    Mwahahaha
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    Jezza now mathematically certain to win most CLP nominations

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    Not a Thursday without by-elections. Bold prediction for the SNP to become the new dominant force in Scottish local government. But I kid.

    Northumberland looks the most interesting (and the 91% for Lab last time is remarkable, even for local government). I'm calling it LD fightback - believe it, people!
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    RobD said:

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    LDs in melt down! Peak kipper confirmed! Tories 40%!
    The Tory "one-party state" beckons under FPTP...
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    And on the old conveyor belt tonight

    Jezza Brent North, TSSA, Unison

    Yvette Crawley, Hackney South, Tewksbury

    Andy Bolton, Rochester and Strood

    BWP "Cuddly Toy"
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    Remember ComRes is after the Budget, £12bn of welfare cuts announced and more "savage cuts" to come across Government Departments.

    Hold on a moment - weren't we told on the last thread there would be a huge uprising against these policies?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Twitter
    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago

    ComRes/Mail:

    CON 40 (+1)
    LAB 28 (+1)
    LIB 7 (-2)
    UKIP 10 (-1)
    GRN 5 (-1)
    SNP 5 (=)

    24th-26th
    N=1,001
    Tabs http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/
    #newsnight
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    And on the old conveyor belt tonight

    BWP "Cuddly Toy"

    Kendall obviously, but BWP?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago

    ComRes/Mail:

    CON 40 (+1)
    LAB 28 (+1)
    LIB 7 (-2)
    UKIP 10 (-1)
    GRN 5 (-1)
    SNP 5 (=)

    24th-26th
    N=1,001
    Tabs http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/
    #newsnight

    So factoring in shy tories, that's like Con 60, right?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
    Corbyn has 135. He is now mathematically assured of coming top in nominations: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/which-clps-are-nominating-who-labour-leadership-contest
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775

    And on the old conveyor belt tonight

    BWP "Cuddly Toy"

    Kendall obviously, but BWP?
    Blair Witch Project, I believe.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    edited July 2015

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    Baxter say's a CON majority of 58... But once we've sorted out the boundaries, Con Landslide on the way!!!!!! :smiley:

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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return.

    Italy's nice.

    They'll love it there, baiting the idle rich, guilt ridden, capitalist rentiers.

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JournoStephen: Tonight's ComRes poll would give the Tories a majority of 58. But at least Labour members would feel really morally superior and stuff.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869

    And on the old conveyor belt tonight

    BWP "Cuddly Toy"

    Kendall obviously, but BWP?
    Dont ask!! Ms Cyclefree will spank me!!
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2015

    And on the old conveyor belt tonight

    BWP "Cuddly Toy"

    Kendall obviously, but BWP?
    Dont ask!! Ms Cyclefree will spank me!!
    lucky you :wink:
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    MikeL said:

    Hold on a moment - weren't we told on the last thread there would be a huge uprising against these policies?

    Told by people who have been wrong about everything for roughly the last decade.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    Indeed you too could be so lucky if you call a female political opponent a Witch in error 17 times
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    I don't understand this at all.

    If you were a fan you would know the Cowboys rarely make it into the post-season, which happens in January, on account of them being a bit crap.
    I'm sorry Scott, but I'm going to have to correct you there..........we're a LOT crap!

    BTW, who do you think will play at QB for the "Iggles" this season?
    Are you a Cowboys fan?
    Mumble...mumble .... I...err...might be.......mumble... :blush:
    If I was a fan, I might be a Cowboys fan.

    But of course I'm not a fan.

    Jerry Jones had hip surgery the other day.
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Two SNP gains, and a possible near miss for the LibDems in Droitwich.
    Labour might just hang on in Northumberland. :wink:
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Disraeli said:

    Two SNP gains, and a possible near miss for the LibDems in Droitwich.
    Labour might just hang on in Northumberland. :wink:

    Droitwich - immortalized by the first episode of season two of Blackadder
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Carlisle Constituency Labour Party endorse Jeremy Corbyn. A seat that they had held since the 1960s but lost by 900 in 2010, that they thought was nailed on in 2015, but subsequently lost by 3,000.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    Can recommend the new Mission Impossible film I thought it was excellent.

    The British PM features. Looks more like George than Dave.

    IMF might bail him out (or not)
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Nope I don't.

    Errr because unfortunately most of them go home afterwards? (Regrettably Yes I grant you)

    However...... Despite Benidorm having feck all to do with the price of pizza that one single response to a serious question actually shows more about you and your motives than I could have ever have done in a month of threads on this subject.

    Well done!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AGilinsky: For those asking (nobody) the Scottish subsample of that ComRes poll has Conservatives on 19% and Labour on 14%.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    kle4 said:

    Not a Thursday without by-elections. Bold prediction for the SNP to become the new dominant force in Scottish local government. But I kid.

    Northumberland looks the most interesting (and the 91% for Lab last time is remarkable, even for local government). I'm calling it LD fightback - believe it, people!


    The SNP will storm Holyrood 2016. I'm sure about that.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

    haha very funny but no.

    We are not getting excited. We are rather enjoying ourselves at the moment.

    Polls? Even funnier.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tim_B said:

    Jerry Jones had hip surgery the other day.

    I didn't know he was on the roster. Can he hold a catch?

    *innocent face*
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    What a lot of tosh about "swarm". The OED (apologies to Apocalypse) has one definition as "A large number of people or things" and provides an example "a swarm of journalists". How prescient is that?

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/swarm
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Two SNP gains, and a possible near miss for the LibDems in Droitwich.
    Labour might just hang on in Northumberland. :wink:

    Droitwich - immortalized by the first episode of season two of Blackadder
    How did they squeeze that in?
    Comedians must have a thing about Worcestershire. Monty Python used to mention Bromsgrove.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    Joined Barrow Hill Roundhouse today. Was 600% more expensive than joining the Lab leadership contest. Will provide much more relaxation though.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Two SNP gains, and a possible near miss for the LibDems in Droitwich.
    Labour might just hang on in Northumberland. :wink:

    Droitwich - immortalized by the first episode of season two of Blackadder
    "Bob"
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    When it comes to living with poor mass immigration,some lefties on PB or the one's who big up for more poor mass immigration,I find are two faced c***s.

    Examples - Tim - we find out he lived in 99.9 white population,Roger lives in France and Tyson who lives in Italy,well away from our poor multicultural inner cities.

    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    Jerry Jones had hip surgery the other day.

    I didn't know he was on the roster. Can he hold a catch?

    *innocent face*
    Not at all. Not in any way.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    TOPPING said:

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

    haha very funny but no.

    We are not getting excited. We are rather enjoying ourselves at the moment.

    Polls? Even funnier.
    At the moment its all a bit of fun adding to the gaiety of the nation, none of it really matters for many years yet.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    TOPPING said:

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

    haha very funny but no.

    We are not getting excited. We are rather enjoying ourselves at the moment.

    Polls? Even funnier.
    Excited/enjoying - surely the same kind of thing, no?

    On polls - it's strange how VI polls have suddenly been taken at face-value now....

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.




    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

    An allwhite village.

    Is that where Michael Barrymore lives.

    Avoid the pool party Billy??
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Two SNP gains, and a possible near miss for the LibDems in Droitwich.
    Labour might just hang on in Northumberland. :wink:

    Droitwich - immortalized by the first episode of season two of Blackadder
    How did they squeeze that in?
    Comedians must have a thing about Worcestershire. Monty Python used to mention Bromsgrove.
    BELLS
    In the house of Kate and her father.

    K: Father, I must speak. I can be silent no longer. All day long you muttered to yourself, gibbered, dribbled, moaned and bat your head against the wall, yelling "I want to die". Now you may say I'm leaping to conclusions but you're not *completely* happy, are you? It's mother, isn't it?
    F: No, it is not.
    K: You're brooding over her death, aren't you?
    F: Kate, for the final time, your mother is not dead. She's run off with your uncle Henry.
    K: Dear father, I know you only say such things to comfort me.
    F: Your mother is alive and well and living in Droitwich. It is not her I brood over. I'm sad because, my darling, our poverty has now reached such extremes that I can no longer afford to keep us. I must look to my own dear tiny darling to sustain me in my frail dotage.
    K: But father, surely...
    F: Yes Kate, I want you to become a prostitute.
    K: Father!
    F: Do you defy me?
    K: But indeed, I do. For it is better to die poor than to live in shame and ignominy.
    F: No, it isn't.
    K: I'm young and strong and clever. My nose is pretty. I shall find another way to earn us a living.
    F: Oh, please... go on the game. It is a steady job and you'd be working from home.
    K: Goodbye father. I shall go to London, disguise my self as a boy and seek my fortune!
    F: But why go all the way to London when you can make a fortune lying on your back?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    When it comes to living with poor mass immigration,some lefties on PB or the one's who big up for more poor mass immigration,I find are two faced c***s.

    Examples - Tim - we find out he lived in 99.9 white population,Roger lives in France and Tyson who lives in Italy,well away from our poor multicultural inner cities.

    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

    But, they encounter charming maidservants and waiters from third world countries, who are so much more biddable than their hideously White countrymen.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    notme said:

    TOPPING said:

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

    haha very funny but no.

    We are not getting excited. We are rather enjoying ourselves at the moment.

    Polls? Even funnier.
    At the moment its all a bit of fun adding to the gaiety of the nation, none of it really matters for many years yet.
    But...but... NCPoliticsUK is the new gold standard ! Err right? ........ Anyone? .... At all?
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Moses_ said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Nope I don't.

    Errr because unfortunately most of them go home afterwards? (Regrettably Yes I grant you)

    However...... Despite Benidorm having feck all to do with the price of pizza that one single response to a serious question actually shows more about you and your motives than I could have ever have done in a month of threads on this subject.

    Well done!
    Tyson will no doubt embarrass himself offering those Brits who've spent too long in the Italian sun, advice on how to get to London, and €10 hand outs.
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,819
    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Two SNP gains, and a possible near miss for the LibDems in Droitwich.
    Labour might just hang on in Northumberland. :wink:

    Droitwich - immortalized by the first episode of season two of Blackadder
    How did they squeeze that in?
    Comedians must have a thing about Worcestershire. Monty Python used to mention Bromsgrove.
    Rik Mayall lived in Droitwich from the age of 3 to 17.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Germany is pushing to strip key powers from the European Commission in a move that will help David Cameron’s case for reform in Brussels.

    Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, is seeking to separate the commission’s increasingly political role from its central job as the enforcer of European Union rules. It comes amid concerns that Jean-Claude Juncker, the commission president, is failing to enforce eurozone austerity targets.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4513283.ece
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311

    TOPPING said:

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

    haha very funny but no.

    We are not getting excited. We are rather enjoying ourselves at the moment.

    Polls? Even funnier.
    Excited/enjoying - surely the same kind of thing, no?

    On polls - it's strange how VI polls have suddenly been taken at face-value now....

    I don't think polls will be taken at face value again unless and until they get 2020 right. Or righter.

    I have missed most of the explanations for May but pollsters have a long and steep mountain to climb.
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Tim_B said:


    BELLS
    In the house of Kate and her father.
    snip

    Excellent! :lol:
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,339



    When it comes to living with poor mass immigration,some lefties on PB or the one's who big up for more poor mass immigration,I find are two faced c***s.

    Examples - Tim - we find out he lived in 99.9 white population,Roger lives in France and Tyson who lives in Italy,well away from our poor multicultural inner cities.

    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

    Personally I live on Holloway Road, London, which is sufficiently multicultural that you don't really bother to work out who's from where. I wouldn't support an open door immigration policy - not a practical proposition. The leftie objection to the "swarm of hideous thugs trying to get in" stuff is that it trivialises the problem and dehumanises people in difficulty. I don't prefer foreigners to Brits, or Brits to foreigners - it's best to look at people as individuals, rather than just check their passports or gender or whatever.

    What we have here, though, is a problem for everyone. I've thought for the last 30 years that a world with huge income differences for similarly bright and energetic people was not going to be sustainable - either they will get to the jobs, or the jobs will move to them. We can work to help offer reasonable prospects in their homelands (few people move 2000 miles just for fun), or we can put up with the problems as they try to escape the lack of reasonable prospects, just as you and I would. Where migrants cluster (Medierranean refugees, Calais) there should be a joint EU effort to resettle them somewhere safe near their origins, jointly financed by EU countries. That's not an especially left-wing view IMO, just common sense, since the alternative is periodic nasty crises.


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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    On the previous thread there was a discussion of ethnic minority voting. Does anyone know how non-British whites vote? Because I imagine that clamping down on non-EU migration but maintaining free movement of labour could end up with us 'whitening' the country, albeit with non-British whites.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    watford30 said:

    Moses_ said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Nope I don't.

    Errr because unfortunately most of them go home afterwards? (Regrettably Yes I grant you)

    However...... Despite Benidorm having feck all to do with the price of pizza that one single response to a serious question actually shows more about you and your motives than I could have ever have done in a month of threads on this subject.

    Well done!
    If I recollect from previous thread he said they were from Eritrea? Or something?

    Not sure about 10 quid hand outs.... Those Italian villas don't pay for themselves you know.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
    Funnily enough I do believe it. I don't troll. I honestly believe the demonisation of migrants as thugs, criminals, undesirables, bla de bla is part of a slippery slope that leads us to a place approximately 80 years ago. It's happened before on a wave of xenophobia, so what is stopping it happening again?

    And yes- I do think it is worth juxtaposing and drawing attention to the the many tens of thousands of utterly useless (many unhealthy) idle, Brits who think they can live anywhere against this group of able bodied migrants who want to meaningfully contribute to a new life in the UK.

    And no- I do not consider myself amongst the useless, ex-pat Brits, who offer nothing to the countries they go to. I give to Italy, far, far, far, far more than I take- socially, personally, economically, emotionally. I doubt many ex-pat, Daily Mail gripers can realistically say that to the countries they migrate to.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    What a lot of tosh about "swarm". The OED (apologies to Apocalypse) has one definition as "A large number of people or things" and provides an example "a swarm of journalists". How prescient is that?

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/swarm

    What about when they talk about swarming all over the ball in rugby. I presume that will now be banned in BBC commentary circles.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

    haha very funny but no.

    We are not getting excited. We are rather enjoying ourselves at the moment.

    Polls? Even funnier.
    Excited/enjoying - surely the same kind of thing, no?

    On polls - it's strange how VI polls have suddenly been taken at face-value now....

    I don't think polls will be taken at face value again unless and until they get 2020 right. Or righter.

    I have missed most of the explanations for May but pollsters have a long and steep mountain to climb.
    I think from what Anthony Wells on UKPR said they were doing inquires regarding polls, so watch this space....
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656



    When it comes to living with poor mass immigration,some lefties on PB or the one's who big up for more poor mass immigration,I find are two faced c***s.

    Examples - Tim - we find out he lived in 99.9 white population,Roger lives in France and Tyson who lives in Italy,well away from our poor multicultural inner cities.

    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

    Personally I live on Holloway Road, London, which is sufficiently multicultural that you don't really bother to work out who's from where. I wouldn't support an open door immigration policy - not a practical proposition. The leftie objection to the "swarm of hideous thugs trying to get in" stuff is that it trivialises the problem and dehumanises people in difficulty. I don't prefer foreigners to Brits, or Brits to foreigners - it's best to look at people as individuals, rather than just check their passports or gender or whatever.

    What we have here, though, is a problem for everyone. I've thought for the last 30 years that a world with huge income differences for similarly bright and energetic people was not going to be sustainable - either they will get to the jobs, or the jobs will move to them. We can work to help offer reasonable prospects in their homelands (few people move 2000 miles just for fun), or we can put up with the problems as they try to escape the lack of reasonable prospects, just as you and I would. Where migrants cluster (Medierranean refugees, Calais) there should be a joint EU effort to resettle them somewhere safe near their origins, jointly financed by EU countries. That's not an especially left-wing view IMO, just common sense, since the alternative is periodic nasty crises.


    It is not common sense to reward people for breaking the law. If we want bright energetic people we should do it through the legal immigration system. An anarchic free for all does not reward the brightest but the most aggressive rule-breakers.
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    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects now3 seconds ago
    Conservatives HOLD North Hykeham Mill (North Kesteven).
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    There is so much virtue signalling by rightwingers today. If you don't think immigrants are a swarm, they hate you for being either too rich or too poor, and they imply that you hate white people.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865



    When it comes to living with poor mass immigration,some lefties on PB or the one's who big up for more poor mass immigration,I find are two faced c***s.

    Examples - Tim - we find out he lived in 99.9 white population,Roger lives in France and Tyson who lives in Italy,well away from our poor multicultural inner cities.

    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

    Personally I live on Holloway Road, London, which is sufficiently multicultural that you don't really bother to work out who's from where. I wouldn't support an open door immigration policy - not a practical proposition. The leftie objection to the "swarm of hideous thugs trying to get in" stuff is that it trivialises the problem and dehumanises people in difficulty. I don't prefer foreigners to Brits, or Brits to foreigners - it's best to look at people as individuals, rather than just check their passports or gender or whatever.

    What we have here, though, is a problem for everyone. I've thought for the last 30 years that a world with huge income differences for similarly bright and energetic people was not going to be sustainable - either they will get to the jobs, or the jobs will move to them. We can work to help offer reasonable prospects in their homelands (few people move 2000 miles just for fun), or we can put up with the problems as they try to escape the lack of reasonable prospects, just as you and I would. Where migrants cluster (Medierranean refugees, Calais) there should be a joint EU effort to resettle them somewhere safe near their origins, jointly financed by EU countries. That's not an especially left-wing view IMO, just common sense, since the alternative is periodic nasty crises.


    Agreed Nick. Many in difficulties agreed again. My problem here and my only one is why do thousands and thousands cross so many safe countries then risk death under the wheels of a truck or in front of an express train just to get here?

    What's wrong with France?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Who is getting excited, its just one poll during the summer hols?

    PB Tories are getting excited, but it's just one poll.

    It'll start to be disconcerting when it becomes a trend - so far the previous polls have had Labour in the early 30s, and the movements are MOE.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:


    BELLS
    In the house of Kate and her father.
    snip

    Excellent! :lol:
    Welcome to supporters of America's Team by the way.

    At least it would be if I was a fan. ;)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    tyson said:

    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
    Funnily enough I do believe it. I don't troll. I honestly believe the demonisation of migrants as thugs, criminals, undesirables, bla de bla is part of a slippery slope that leads us to a place approximately 80 years ago. It's happened before on a wave of xenophobia, so what is stopping it happening again?

    And yes- I do think it is worth juxtaposing and drawing attention to the the many tens of thousands of utterly useless (many unhealthy) idle, Brits who think they can live anywhere against this group of able bodied migrants who want to meaningfully contribute to a new life in the UK.

    And no- I do not consider myself amongst the useless, ex-pat Brits, who offer nothing to the countries they go to. I give to Italy, far, far, far, far more than I take- socially, personally, economically, emotionally. I doubt many ex-pat, Daily Mail gripers can realistically say that to the countries they migrate to.
    But, you denigrate White people and your own countrymen.

    I don't know what personal demons you're wrestling with, but don't expect the rest of us to share them.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    JEO said:

    On the previous thread there was a discussion of ethnic minority voting. Does anyone know how non-British whites vote? Because I imagine that clamping down on non-EU migration but maintaining free movement of labour could end up with us 'whitening' the country, albeit with non-British whites.

    Erm, what about all the legally-resident Caribbean, Asian and African British?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Kids Company charity in police probe

    An investigation into a number of allegations of crime involving the children's charity Kids Company has been launched by the Metropolitan Police, the BBC has learned.

    The inquiry is being led by the complex case team of the Sexual Offences, Exploitation and Child Abuse Command

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33726968

    Crickey all those Guardian articles saying how wicked and nasty the Tory government were for pulling funds are probably quickly been "corrected".
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
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    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 8m8 minutes ago

    North Hykeham Mill (North Kesteven) result:
    CON - 40.1% (-19.2)
    IND - 25.2% (+25.2)
    LAB - 22.6% (+22.6)
    GRN - 9.0% (+9.0)
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Kids Company charity in police probe

    An investigation into a number of allegations of crime involving the children's charity Kids Company has been launched by the Metropolitan Police, the BBC has learned.

    The inquiry is being led by the complex case team of the Sexual Offences, Exploitation and Child Abuse Command

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33726968

    Crickey all those Guardian articles saying how wicked and nasty the Tory government were for pulling funds are probably quickly been "corrected".

    Wow.

    That's shocking....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    EPG said:

    There is so much virtue signalling by rightwingers today. If you don't think immigrants are a swarm, they hate you for being either too rich or too poor, and they imply that you hate white people.

    Oh please - the point is surely that swarming describes an activity and has no intrinsically offensive meaning, or as far as I am aware stereotypical racist usage. Utterly preposterous to suggest otherwise, right or left.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    edited July 2015
    tyson said:

    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
    Funnily enough I do believe it. I don't troll. I honestly believe the demonisation of migrants as thugs, criminals, undesirables, bla de bla is part of a slippery slope that leads us to a place approximately 80 years ago. It's happened before on a wave of xenophobia, so what is stopping it happening again?

    And yes- I do think it is worth juxtaposing and drawing attention to the the many tens of thousands of utterly useless (many unhealthy) idle, Brits who think they can live anywhere against this group of able bodied migrants who want to meaningfully contribute to a new life in the UK.

    And no- I do not consider myself amongst the useless, ex-pat Brits, who offer nothing to the countries they go to. I give to Italy, far, far, far, far more than I take- socially, personally, economically, emotionally. I doubt many ex-pat, Daily Mail gripers can realistically say that to the countries they migrate to.
    On a previous thread, there was a brief discussion about Will Self's description of the unbridgeable divide between neoliberals and Marxists in the Labour Party. But really, that is more of a continuum. The real unbridgeable divide - and the one that is most problematic to them as a party - is the contempt displayed by many on the left - exemplified by Tyson above - for the views and values of the white working class they purport to represent; and, equally, the contempt felt by the WWC towards the (as Seant pithily put it) 'Metropolitan Wankfest with its multicultural this and its transgender that and its anti-austerity the other*' that much of the Labour movement appears bafflingly set on becoming.

    As the Conservative Party set about demonstrating fifteen years ago, it's difficult to convince an electorate that you don't appear to like very much to vote for you.

    I appreciate, of course, that Tyson is not the Labour Party. But the sorts of views he sets out here seem unusually common on the left.

    *or words to that effect.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited July 2015

    Kids Company charity in police probe

    An investigation into a number of allegations of crime involving the children's charity Kids Company has been launched by the Metropolitan Police, the BBC has learned.

    The inquiry is being led by the complex case team of the Sexual Offences, Exploitation and Child Abuse Command

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33726968

    Crickey all those Guardian articles saying how wicked and nasty the Tory government were for pulling funds are probably quickly been "corrected".

    Wow.

    That's shocking....
    It was clear that the government had got wind that somethings were seriously amiss. Cameron had put a lot of face into seeing to be backing it and the government pumped a lot of money in.

    Now obviously at this stage it is all based upon some ex-employees testimonies, so nothing has been proved, but I think it is now clear that the government took a safety first approach when they got wind of some stink. For that, I am not sure you can blame them. If they had been found to continue to pump millions of pounds of tax payers money and it was then exposed they knew about this stuff, they would be far worse PR.

    In all of this, I feel for those that the charity has helped and should help. Clearly something has gone seriously wrong here, I would presume it has got far too big far too quickly and lots of things have got out of hand.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    @NickPalmer
    Renzi offered a managed approach to the boat/migrant problem, only for the UK not to engage in the discussion. Italy is exceptionally good at bureaucracy- I have the scars- we need to document, register, and then agree a dispersal system for these migrants where all countries share the load. It is not a humane or practical option to send them back- we don't know who are genuine asylum seekers, and the economic migrants will only make a better informed attempt at coming back.

    Instead, we have Italy (and presumably) shirking it's responsibility and turning a blind eye, and the chaos on borders- Calais just being one example.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Cookie said:

    tyson said:

    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
    Funnily enough I do believe it. I don't troll. I honestly believe the demonisation of migrants as thugs, criminals, undesirables, bla de bla is part of a slippery slope that leads us to a place approximately 80 years ago. It's happened before on a wave of xenophobia, so what is stopping it happening again?

    And yes- I do think it is worth juxtaposing and drawing attention to the the many tens of thousands of utterly useless (many unhealthy) idle, Brits who think they can live anywhere against this group of able bodied migrants who want to meaningfully contribute to a new life in the UK.

    And no- I do not consider myself amongst the useless, ex-pat Brits, who offer nothing to the countries they go to. I give to Italy, far, far, far, far more than I take- socially, personally, economically, emotionally. I doubt many ex-pat, Daily Mail gripers can realistically say that to the countries they migrate to.
    On a previous thread, there was a brief discussion about Will Self's description of the unbridgeable blue divide between neoliberals and Marxists in the Labour Party. But really, that is more of a continuum. The real unbridgeable blue divide - and the one that is most problematic to them as a party - is the contempt displayed by many on the left - exemplified by Tyson above - for the views and values of the white working class they purport to represent; and, equally, the contempt felt by the WWC towards the (as Seant pithily put it) 'Metropolitan Wankfest with its multicultural this and it's transgender that and it's anti-austerity the other*' that much of the Labour movement appears bafflingly set on becoming.

    As the Conservative Party set about demonstrating fifteen years ago, it's difficult to convince an electorate that you don't appear to like very much to vote for you.

    I appreciate, of course, that Tyson is not the Labour Party. But the sorts of views he sets out here seem unusually common on the left.

    *or words to that effect.
    In Tyson's case, that contempt extends to all White people (of all classes) who aren't extreme left. We failed to make the revolution.
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:


    BELLS
    In the house of Kate and her father.
    snip

    Excellent! :lol:
    Welcome to supporters of America's Team by the way.

    At least it would be if I was a fan. ;)
    My interest in the Cowboys goes back to 1972, when I was a teenager. I'd only ever seen clips of American football in films, where it looked a rather shapeless game. However in 1972, ITV's "World of Sport" (remember that) showed highlights of the Superbowl between Dallas and Miami. There was a brief explanation of the rules and strategy beforehand.

    I was captivated by the skills, organization and excitement of the play. In particular, the beauty of the long forward pass (though the balance of the offense favoured rushing in those days of course). Roger Staubach (the legend) threw a long bomb to Bob Hayes, the olympic sprinter, and it was just beautiful.

    It's about the only sport, other than Test Cricket, in which I have a passing interest now.

    BTW, something that I cannot explain. I like the way that the Patriots continually rebuild the team and get the most out of their players. I respect their coaching and organization. I admire the skills of Tom Brady. But for some reason, I always want the Patriots to lose. Crazy, eh?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    EPG said:

    There is so much virtue signalling by rightwingers today. If you don't think immigrants are a swarm, they hate you for being either too rich or too poor, and they imply that you hate white people.

    The meme has taken hold.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    And on the old conveyor belt tonight

    Jezza Brent North, TSSA, Unison

    Yvette Crawley, Hackney South, Tewksbury

    Andy Bolton, Rochester and Strood

    BWP "Cuddly Toy"

    That was really quite funny. (I'll even forgive the misogyny if such forgiveness be required.)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Trump is surging in the polls. I have no explanation for this. I am convinced he will crash and burn at some point.

    It has not happened yet.

    He has said he will not do debate practice, and will be who he is.

    So on August 6, he will either conquer all, or go down in flames.
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Moses_ said:



    When it comes to living with poor mass immigration,some lefties on PB or the one's who big up for more poor mass immigration,I find are two faced c***s.

    Examples - Tim - we find out he lived in 99.9 white population,Roger lives in France and Tyson who lives in Italy,well away from our poor multicultural inner cities.

    Lets not forget the great man of the left - Billy bragg

    Who kept telling us how great mass immigration to London was that he deciced to move to a all white village.

    Personally I live on Holloway Road, London, which is sufficiently multicultural that you don't really bother to work out who's from where. I wouldn't support an open door immigration policy - not a practical proposition. The leftie objection to the "swarm of hideous thugs trying to get in" stuff is that it trivialises the problem and dehumanises people in difficulty. I don't prefer foreigners to Brits, or Brits to foreigners - it's best to look at people as individuals, rather than just check their passports or gender or whatever.

    What we have here, though, is a problem for everyone. I've thought for the last 30 years that a world with huge income differences for similarly bright and energetic people was not going to be sustainable - either they will get to the jobs, or the jobs will move to them. We can work to help offer reasonable prospects in their homelands (few people move 2000 miles just for fun), or we can put up with the problems as they try to escape the lack of reasonable prospects, just as you and I would. Where migrants cluster (Medierranean refugees, Calais) there should be a joint EU effort to resettle them somewhere safe near their origins, jointly financed by EU countries. That's not an especially left-wing view IMO, just common sense, since the alternative is periodic nasty crises.


    Agreed Nick. Many in difficulties agreed again. My problem here and my only one is why do thousands and thousands cross so many safe countries then risk death under the wheels of a truck or in front of an express train just to get here?

    What's wrong with France?
    ID cards.

    In the EU, only Ireland, the UK and Denmark do not require you to carry 'your papers'. So the only large country they can come to is England.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    tyson said:

    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
    Funnily enough I do believe it. I don't troll. I honestly believe the demonisation of migrants as thugs, criminals, undesirables, bla de bla is part of a slippery slope that leads us to a place approximately 80 years ago. It's happened before on a wave of xenophobia, so what is stopping it happening again?

    And yes- I do think it is worth juxtaposing and drawing attention to the the many tens of thousands of utterly useless (many unhealthy) idle, Brits who think they can live anywhere against this group of able bodied migrants who want to meaningfully contribute to a new life in the UK.

    And no- I do not consider myself amongst the useless, ex-pat Brits, who offer nothing to the countries they go to. I give to Italy, far, far, far, far more than I take- socially, personally, economically, emotionally. I doubt many ex-pat, Daily Mail gripers can realistically say that to the countries they migrate to.
    There are 7 billion people on Earth, and a mere 60 million in the UK. By the law of averages, we should be able to find 60 million people from elsewhere who are more "able-bodied", less "unhealthy", less "useless" than almost all the indigenes of this country.

    Your logic implies you would be content for the whole country to be turfed out in favour of these squatters...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Probably the one thing that people of all political persuasions can agree on is that the French response to the Calais situation has been appalling.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    @Cookie and @seanfear

    But on the other side, it is OK to demonise the Polly Toynbee's, the so called metropolitan elite as having no worth, or being traitors, or something worse? These are people who genuinely struggle with the world they live in. We give as much as we take.

    I tell you my life would be much easier if I went for lowest common denominator politics, black and white, migrants are thugs, the royal family are wonderful, Jeremy Corbyn is a socialist dickhead, capitalism is fantastic, all in for fracking, environmentalism is some lefty conspiracy and global warming it's devilish offspring, the BBC should go......

    The life of a liberal. a genuine liberal is tough.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    RodCrosby said:

    tyson said:

    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Moses_ said:

    Uno

    Parli italiano, signor Moses.

    How many migrants would I let in- as many as possible and hopefully we can push many more Daily Mail, little Englanders to Gibraltar, or some other ex-pat haven in return. Quid pro quo as it were comrade.

    Really, why should Benidorm or such like, put up with swarms of pot bellied, useless, lazy, beer swilling, lazy, ignorant, xenophobic little Englanders who offer the local community nothing more than ill health, and whinging gripes.

    A good swop methinks.


    Do you really believe the crap you post here, or are you just trolling?
    Funnily enough I do believe it. I don't troll. I honestly believe the demonisation of migrants as thugs, criminals, undesirables, bla de bla is part of a slippery slope that leads us to a place approximately 80 years ago. It's happened before on a wave of xenophobia, so what is stopping it happening again?

    And yes- I do think it is worth juxtaposing and drawing attention to the the many tens of thousands of utterly useless (many unhealthy) idle, Brits who think they can live anywhere against this group of able bodied migrants who want to meaningfully contribute to a new life in the UK.

    And no- I do not consider myself amongst the useless, ex-pat Brits, who offer nothing to the countries they go to. I give to Italy, far, far, far, far more than I take- socially, personally, economically, emotionally. I doubt many ex-pat, Daily Mail gripers can realistically say that to the countries they migrate to.
    There are 7 billion people on Earth, and a mere 60 million in the UK. By the law of averages, we should be able to find 60 million people from elsewhere who are more "able-bodied", less "unhealthy", less "useless" than almost all the indigenes of this country.

    Your logic implies you would be content for the whole country to be turfed out in favour of these squatters...
    He would. It would make him feel less guilty.
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited July 2015
    RobD said:

    EPG said:

    There is so much virtue signalling by rightwingers today. If you don't think immigrants are a swarm, they hate you for being either too rich or too poor, and they imply that you hate white people.

    The meme has taken hold.
    It's a moronic phrase that deserves all the ridicule that can be thrown at it
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    Give the problems the other parties are having at the moment, the Tories ought to be on about 45%.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    AndyJS said:

    Probably the one thing that people of all political persuasions can agree on is that the French response to the Calais situation has been appalling.

    And you can add Italy and Greece to that AndyJS in terms of managing the process at source
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:

    Disraeli said:

    Tim_B said:


    BELLS
    In the house of Kate and her father.
    snip

    Excellent! :lol:
    Welcome to supporters of America's Team by the way.

    At least it would be if I was a fan. ;)
    My interest in the Cowboys goes back to 1972, when I was a teenager. I'd only ever seen clips of American football in films, where it looked a rather shapeless game. However in 1972, ITV's "World of Sport" (remember that) showed highlights of the Superbowl between Dallas and Miami. There was a brief explanation of the rules and strategy beforehand.

    I was captivated by the skills, organization and excitement of the play. In particular, the beauty of the long forward pass (though the balance of the offense favoured rushing in those days of course). Roger Staubach (the legend) threw a long bomb to Bob Hayes, the olympic sprinter, and it was just beautiful.

    It's about the only sport, other than Test Cricket, in which I have a passing interest now.

    BTW, something that I cannot explain. I like the way that the Patriots continually rebuild the team and get the most out of their players. I respect their coaching and organization. I admire the skills of Tom Brady. But for some reason, I always want the Patriots to lose. Crazy, eh?
    In the mid 60s a friend of my fathers (in the RAF together during the war) asked if I'd like to spend a summer with him and his family in the US. I was 15 - who wouldn't? In those days transatlantic travel was rare. I loved every minute of it. I am spending a few days with the family in October.

    When I got back I used to listen to American Forces Radio - singles were released in the US before the UK then, and there was football on sunday evenings: in those days it was always the Cowboys or the Packers. I knew Dallas from JFK and it was too cold in Green Bay.

    Since that time I have been a Cowboys fan. I have met Roger Staubach and Tom Landry. I have had my picture taken on the star at the centerfield in Texas Stadium. I have been to several Cowboys Monday Night Football games, and the Super Bowl the Cowboys won in Atlanta.

    I have also met Bart Starr, and after a couple of minutes chat on the Ice Bowl, he poked me in the stomach and said I was a Cowboys fan, yet still said to call him Bart and shook my hand.

    If I was a fan I'd be a Dallas fan ;)
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    AndyJS said:

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    Give the problems the other parties are having at the moment, the Tories ought to be on about 45%.
    They'll be back in the early thirties by this time next year.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    edited July 2015
    AndyJS said:

    ComRes poll for the Mail

    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    Give the problems the other parties are having at the moment, the Tories ought to be on about 45%.
    Yeah, but we all know the pollsters vastly underestimate the Tories... So taking that into account, they probably are! :smiley:
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    AndyJS said:

    ComRes poll for the Mail
    Con 40% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+1)
    LD 7% (-2)
    UKIP 10% (-1)
    SNP 5% (NC)
    Green 5% (-1)
    Other 4% (+1)
    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll/

    Give the problems the other parties are having at the moment, the Tories ought to be on about 45%.
    Don't be silly. Look at Labour on 28. Look at LDs with a -2. Where is the flood of left wing enthusiasm for exposure to Corbynite?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    Trump is surging in the polls. I have no explanation for this. I am convinced he will crash and burn at some point.

    It has not happened yet.

    He has said he will not do debate practice, and will be who he is.

    So on August 6, he will either conquer all, or go down in flames.

    More likely neither. He will still be strongly disliked by 70-80% and strongly supported by 15-25%, simply because he is the only fully differentiated candidate and his supporters don't really have anyone else to turn to within the party. Which raises the question whether they are really all GOP voters and, more particularly, if they are GOP primary voters. I strongly suspect that his current numbers overstate his support among GOP primary voters.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,339
    JEO said:



    It is not common sense to reward people for breaking the law. If we want bright energetic people we should do it through the legal immigration system. An anarchic free for all does not reward the brightest but the most aggressive rule-breakers.

    Yes, but we don't. We kick out people who finish their university courses. We put everyone else through a complex and non-transparent system which you need advice to get through. And we also need people who are not brilliant brain surgeons but willing to do tough jobs like carers, fruit-pickers and cooks, and it's almost impossible to get a visa for them.
    JEO said:

    On the previous thread there was a discussion of ethnic minority voting. Does anyone know how non-British whites vote? Because I imagine that clamping down on non-EU migration but maintaining free movement of labour could end up with us 'whitening' the country, albeit with non-British whites.

    In my experience, Eastern Europeans start by not voting at all - they mostly came for a better life and can't be bothered with figuring out fine political differences. After a while they start voting, with some conservative instincts (commonly a liking for low taxes and/or religion) balanced by reservations about the apparent frostiness to them of many on the right. In the long term, they blend in with others in their peer groups and vote much the same way. I don't think the impact will be huge either way, but if the Tories made more effort to be friendly to groups like Catholic Poles they'd find they got a receptive audience.

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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Tim_B said:

    I have met Roger Staubach and Tom Landry. I have had my picture taken on the star at the centerfield in Texas Stadium. I have been to several Cowboys Monday Night Football games, and the Super Bowl the Cowboys won in Atlanta.

    I have also met Bart Starr, and after a couple of minutes chat on the Ice Bowl, he poked me in the stomach and said I was a Cowboys fan, yet still said to call him Bart and shook my hand.

    If I was a fan I'd be a Dallas fan ;)

    As the saying amongst the yoofs goes: "Massive Respect!"
    Was Mr Landry wearing his famous hat?

    I used to listen to AFN as well!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,339
    Interesting piece on the Syriza debate written by someone who seems sympathetic to the anti-deal wing, but trying to give a balanced picture:

    http://rapidis.blogactiv.eu/2015/07/29/syriza-central-committee-topics-to-be-discussed/?utm_source=EurActiv+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9451b8827f-Bmail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_bab5f0ea4e-9451b8827f-245514803
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Mr Palmer says -- ''The leftie objection to the "swarm of hideous thugs trying to get in" stuff is that it trivialises the problem ''

    In fact that sort of assertion lies about the problem. Linking Cameron's word 'swarms' with a word he has not used, 'thugs' is pretty cheap.
    The issue - as Cameron clearly pointed out, but Labour and other lefty numpties want to avoid for cheap opportunist reasons - is one of a world wide movement by economic migrants who get increasingly desperate the deeper they get into their illegal journey.
    Its a big world wide problem, which ultimately will only be solved by increased real democracy, at the expense of corruption and totalitarianism, which empowers people locally and offers a real prospect of a real increase in wellbeing.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2015
    tyson said:

    AndyJS said:

    Probably the one thing that people of all political persuasions can agree on is that the French response to the Calais situation has been appalling.

    And you can add Italy and Greece to that AndyJS in terms of managing the process at source
    Try and find any references to the Calais problem in the French newspapers: there aren't any. It's as if it doesn't exist. Maybe snobbery regarding Calais and its inhabitants is one of the reasons. I read somewhere that it's the least fashionable part of France as far as the Paris elite are concerned.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    JWisemann said:

    RobD said:

    EPG said:

    There is so much virtue signalling by rightwingers today. If you don't think immigrants are a swarm, they hate you for being either too rich or too poor, and they imply that you hate white people.

    The meme has taken hold.
    It's a moronic phrase that deserves all the ridicule that can be thrown at it
    If the phrase captures a concept for which there currently is no succinct term, then it is not moronic, it is merely language. Personally, rather like "rubbernecking", I do think it captures a phenomenon which would benefit from a phrase. I suspect those who are most guilty of virtue signaling are the ones who find the phrase most objectionable. They should - it is meant as an insult to them.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Why do we need immigrants to be fruit pickers, carers or cooks? The first seems like a very low value add activity for which workers will likely have their standard of living subsidised by the state. The last two seem like ideal things to train British people up to do. If British people are unwilling, then the restricted labour supply will push up wages until they are willing.

    I disagree about needing advice to get through the system. I work with many skilled immigrants who applied without hiring any advice. All the information is on the website, often with very simple calculators. The brightest and employable university graduates easily qualify.
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    The Times points out -
    ''Germany is pushing to strip key powers from the European Commission in a move that will help David Cameron’s case for reform in Brussels.''
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    EPG said:

    JEO said:

    On the previous thread there was a discussion of ethnic minority voting. Does anyone know how non-British whites vote? Because I imagine that clamping down on non-EU migration but maintaining free movement of labour could end up with us 'whitening' the country, albeit with non-British whites.

    Erm, what about all the legally-resident Caribbean, Asian and African British?
    I'm sorry. I don't understand the point you are making.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897

    Conservatives HOLD Droitwich East (Wychavon).

    — Britain Elects (@britainelects) July 30, 2015
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