God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
I used to be able to stomach that I didn't like it much, I could accept there must be benefits or that the negatives of leaving would outweigh the negatives of staying in, but it's that the things they want to do to change it would make it even worse in my eyes - even more integration for a start - that finally pushed me over the edge.
They are in real trouble. Virtually no-one actually passionately likes it, as it is hard to be passionate about the bureaucratic mess that is at its heart, and the pool of people who despise it is growing, and more worringly so is the group that are minded not to tolerate it silently.
Now, people still seem to indicate they would vote to stay In, but the Greeks also say they want to stay in the Euro, and if that is happening it isn't without a lot of pain along the way, and I wonder if push come to shove if people have enough tolerance for the system to put up with it. For now, maybe, but they need more people to actually passionately like the thing for that to be easier.
God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
Old England feels particularly benign today with the sun shinning over Wimbledon and the Aussies defeated.
God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
Different countries are reflecting the democratic wishes of their peoples, and trying to find an agreement. It is democracy in action.
Rather incompatible with the EU though, given they want to harmonise as much as possible across the continent, and that will on some, or many, things, involve individual nations and their democratic wishes being overruled at some point. It's really only a surprise, and a testament to some hard work, that it hasn't happened as much as seriously as it could have.
If the Germans invoke the emergency clause, and force Finland to lend billions of Euros to Greece when it doesn't want to, that would show that northern Eurozone members are now subservient to the centre as much as the southern members?
From what I hear the Greek government is now asking for 100 billion euros from the ESM. That's 1/7th of the entire capital that the ESM has, or more that 60% of Greek GDP.
Greece reminds me of me, when I was a junkie.
Except that instead of asking for a tenner, and saying "I'll pay you back on Monday, promise Mum", Greece is asking for.... one hundred billion euros, and saying they'll repay Germany from their housing benefit, probly like.
Who in the admittedly shrinking world of human sanity would give Greece and Syriza ONE HUNDRED BILLION EUROS?
Secret filming in the Greek government has uncovered what really happened...
God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
Different countries are reflecting the democratic wishes of their peoples, and trying to find an agreement. It is democracy in action.
Rather incompatible with the EU though, given they want to harmonise as much as possible across the continent, and that will on some, or many, things, involve individual nations and their democratic wishes being overruled at some point. It's really only a surprise, and a testament to some hard work, that it hasn't happened as much as seriously as it could have.
Democracy requires that the minority is overruled by the majority at times. If you consider the demos to be Europe wide then democracy has been served.
"Ed had intellect???? I know he had intellectual self-confidence but intellect? Really?
Ed Miliband is not an intellectual. I cannot pinpoint a significant new idea for which he can claim ownership. Not one. Not a sausage. He just serves up warmed-over socialism, the ideological leftovers of the Seventies, covered in a sauce of opportunism.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
I'll go with Vernon Bogdanor's judgement, if you don't mind.
He rated Cameron as among the smartest students he had taught. That means that Cameron is brighter than me so he must be damn good "
I don't disagree, but being smart and being intellectual are two different things, it was the latter I was referring to
Vincenzo Scarpetta @LondonerVince Institutions think #Greece will need €74bn to cover financing gap until end-July 2018. Much higher than figures doing rounds so far. #Greece Jul. 11, 2015
God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
Different countries are reflecting the democratic wishes of their peoples, and trying to find an agreement. It is democracy in action. To describe it as civil war is gross hyperbole.
I didn't. I said the EU was better than WAR, but right now that's all the EU has going for it.
You're an intelligent man. Stop defending the indefensible. Politically, the EU is a noisome pile of garbage, and the euro, in particular, is a cancer eating away the once beautiful face of Europe.
The Project has turned to Dust. There it is.
Nah.
The Euro will survive, and most likely will be stronger after Grexit stops holding it back.
Italy needs to get real, Greece may as well exit the EU. If Greece stays, we'll be at the same point in another 6 months time anyway. They are acting as if Germany are the only hard-liners in this; when really a large part of the issue for Greece is that many countries along with Germany don't trust them, and tbh I don't blame them.
Blair was not a member of a previous Labour Government, and we now now live in a 24 hour digital age where politicians have never had more exposure as a result. And that really does have a huge impact, along with the electorates growing cynicism and contempt towards our political class.
Neither Burnham or Cooper were the answer to Labour's 2010 GE defeat, and they are definitely not the answer to Labour's current woes following another GE defeat five years later. Especially when they have both been an integral part of that Shadow Cabinet and Labour opposition led by Ed Milliband, and they carry very similar baggage from the previous Labour Government to boot. It took the Conservative party three GE defeats to recognise this problem following their own catastrophic defeat in 1997. Is the Labour party planning on burying its head in the sand and making the same mistakes until it gets tired of being an ineffective Opposition who keeps losing GE's and finally wants to be a responsible party of Government again?
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
SNIP
Being part of a previous government did not stop Attlee, Churchill or Heath or Thatcher winning from opposition, nor did being part a part of Kinnock's Shadow Cabinet stop Blair or being a prominent part of Gaitskill's Shadow Cabinet stop Wilson
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
From what I hear the Greek government is now asking for 100 billion euros from the ESM. That's 1/7th of the entire capital that the ESM has, or more that 60% of Greek GDP.
Greece reminds me of me, when I was a junkie.
Except that instead of asking for a tenner, and saying "I'll pay you back on Monday, promise Mum", Greece is asking for.... one hundred billion euros, and saying they'll repay Germany from their housing benefit, probly like.
Who in the admittedly shrinking world of human sanity would give Greece and Syriza ONE HUNDRED BILLION EUROS?
That's spookily similar to the UK's budget deficit...
Blair was not a member of a previous Labour Government, and we now now live in a 24 hour digital age where politicians have never had more exposure as a result. And that really does have a huge impact, along with the electorates growing cynicism and contempt towards our political class.
Neither Burnham or Cooper were the answer to Labour's 2010 GE defeat, and they are definitely not the answer to Labour's current woes following another GE defeat five years later. Especially when they have both been an integral part of that Shadow Cabinet and Labour opposition led by Ed Milliband, and they carry very similar baggage from the previous Labour Government to boot. It took the Conservative party three GE defeats to recognise this problem following their own catastrophic defeat in 1997. Is the Labour party planning on burying its head in the sand and making the same mistakes until it gets tired of being an ineffective Opposition who keeps losing GE's and finally wants to be a responsible party of Government again?
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
SNIP
Being part of a previous government did not stop Attlee, Churchill or Heath or Thatcher winning from opposition, nor did being part a part of Kinnock's Shadow Cabinet stop Blair or being a prominent part of Gaitskill's Shadow Cabinet stop Wilson
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
Blair was not a member of a previous Labour Government, and we now now live in a 24 hour digital age where politicians have never had more exposure as a result.
Neither Burnham or Cooper were the answer to Labour's 2010 GE defeat, and they are definitely not the answer to Labour's current woes following another GE defeat five years later. Especially when they have both been an integral part of that Shadow Cabinet and Labour opposition led by Ed Milliband, and they carry very similar baggage from the previous Labour Government to boot. It took the Conservative party three GE defeats to recognise this problem following their own catastrophic defeat in 1997. Is the Labour party planning on burying its head in the sand and making the same mistakes until it gets tired of being an ineffective Opposition who keeps losing GE's and finally wants to be a responsible party of Government again?
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
SNIP
Being part of a previous government did not stop Attlee, Churchill or Heath or Thatcher winning from opposition, nor did being part a part of Kinnock's Shadow Cabinet stop Blair or being a prominent part of Gaitskill's Shadow Cabinet stop Wilson
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
No he wasn't.
I have forgotten, was he shadow health or education secretary?
Blair was not a member of a previous Labour Government, and we now now live in a 24 hour digital age where politicians have never had more exposure as a result.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
SNIP
Being part of a previous government did not stop Attlee, Churchill or Heath or Thatcher winning from opposition, nor did being part a part of Kinnock's Shadow Cabinet stop Blair or being a prominent part of Gaitskill's Shadow Cabinet stop Wilson
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
No he wasn't.
I have forgotten, was he shadow health or education secretary?
Under Kinnock first he was Shadow Energy Secretary, then Shadow Employment Secretary.
I think the Euro could have been a big success IF the Germans had insisted on all the members adhering to the rules. Unfortunately there was a very naive government in office in Germany at the time which thought everything would work out okay in the end.
Blair was not a member of a previous Labour Government, and we now now live in a 24 hour digital age where politicians have never had more exposure as a result.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
SNIP
Being part of a previous government did not stop Attlee, Churchill or Heath or Thatcher winning from opposition, nor did being part a part of Kinnock's Shadow Cabinet stop Blair or being a prominent part of Gaitskill's Shadow Cabinet stop Wilson
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
No he wasn't.
I have forgotten, was he shadow health or education secretary?
Under Kinnock first he was Shadow Energy Secretary, then Shadow Employment Secretary.
Blair was not a member of a previous Labour Government, and we now now live in a 24 hour digital age where politicians have never had more exposure as a result. And that really does have a huge impact, along with the electorates growing cynicism and contempt towards our political class.
Neither Burnham or Cooper were the answer to Labour's 2010 GE defeat, and they are definitely not the answer to Labour's current woes following another GE defeat five years later. Especially when they have both been an integral part of that Shadow Cabinet and Labour opposition led by Ed Milliband, and they carry very similar baggage from the previous Labour Government to boot. It took the Conservative party three GE defeats to recognise this problem following their own catastrophic defeat in 1997. Is the Labour party planning on burying its head in the sand and making the same mistakes until it gets tired of being an ineffective Opposition who keeps losing GE's and finally wants to be a responsible party of Government again?
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction f
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
No he wasn't.
Andy Burnham would have done it brilliantly though.
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Sean, are you really criticising other people's predictive abilities?
I mean, you were the one who called the Indyref for Yes, when one poll came out and had Yes ahead, and I believe you may have said Ed Miliband would be PM after the election.
O/T Great programme on Battle of Britain on BBC2 now for the 75th anniversary, presented by Ewan Macgregor and his fighter pilot brother and some fascinating interviews with surviving veterans
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
How do you even measure "strength" if you include commodities? The value of the material per gram?
"Neither Burnham or Cooper were the answer to Labour's 2010 GE defeat, and they are definitely not the answer to Labour's current woes following another GE defeat five years later. Especially when they have both been an integral part of that Shadow Cabinet and Labour opposition led by Ed Milliband, and they carry very similar baggage from the previous Labour Government to boot. It took the Conservative party three GE defeats to recognise this problem following their own catastrophic defeat in 1997. Is the Labour party planning on burying its head in the sand and making the same mistakes until it gets tired of being an ineffective Opposition who keeps losing GE's and finally wants to be a responsible party of Government again?
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
SNIP
Being part of a previous government did not stop Attlee, Churchill or Heath or Thatcher winning from opposition, nor did being part a part of Kinnock's Shadow Cabinet stop Blair or being a prominent part of Gaitskill's Shadow Cabinet stop Wilson
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
No he wasn't."
OK, He was Shadow Minister for the City of London if you really want to be technical. Point remains he held several key posts under both Kinnock and Smith before he became leader
@HYUFD But unlike Burnham or Cooper, Blair was not part of a previous long term Labour Government that left us in a huge economic hole, before then going onto hold key briefs in a subsequent Labour Shadow Cabinet under Miliband. You are not comparing like with like here.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
Had the UK joined the Euro, it would have had the one advantage of allowing us to end this farce this evening, since we would have a blocking minority under the ESM treaty.
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
How do you even measure "strength" if you include commodities? The value of the material per gram?
Just think, gold is very rare, has the best electrical and thermal properties, and can't be corroded by your usual chemicals. Therefore practically gold is a very valuable thing throughout the universe. And the price of gold on Earth is measured per ounces, right now is 750 pounds per ounce.
Mr. Eagles, ah, the joys of qualified majority voting.
But would that take money from countries who voted against it? And what percentage do the six make up (I'd guess it's well over 15%)?
Mr Dancer. The seven minus Germany is just 9.1657%. Add in Austria, and you get to 11.9301% So it all rests on Germany, or persuading everyone in the EZ that forcing through 85% voting rule over the wishes of 6 sovereign countries will do more damage to the Euro, EZ and EU than anything Greece could do.
Steamrolling the measures through against the opposition of Finland (and others) would be more damaging to the Euro than letting Greece go. More damaging to the EU too.
Twitter Siegfried Muresan@SMuresan Just to clarify: #Schaeuble poposed temporary exit from #Euro to give #Greece chance to restructure debt, which is not allowed within Euro
Robert Peston @Peston Robert Peston retweeted Siegfried Muresan But once principle of temporary exit is established, the euro becomes a glorified currency peg, & they never endure
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
Different countries are reflecting the democratic wishes of their peoples, and trying to find an agreement. It is democracy in action. To describe it as civil war is gross hyperbole.
I didn't. I said the EU was better than WAR, but right now that's all the EU has going for it.
You're an intelligent man. Stop defending the indefensible. Politically, the EU is a noisome pile of garbage, and the euro, in particular, is a cancer eating away the once beautiful face of Europe.
The Project has turned to Dust. There it is.
Nah.
The Euro will survive, and most likely will be stronger after Grexit stops holding it back.
In the long term, possibly. That is if it survives into the long term.
But one thing is certain: the Euro has lost its innocence. For the first few years of its life it was a chaste individual, serious and studious; a bookworm. But it contracted syphilis after a holiday fling with a waiter in the Cyclades, and nobody will look at it in quite the same way again.
The Euro may treat the disease at great cost; it may become a dockside hooker selling expensive tricks to the citizens of the Eurozone countries; or it may even end up dead, shot on a street corner by an angry punter in Berlin.
God what a miserable disastrous grotesque deformed misconceived Picnic of Shit the EU is.
I remember when I first came on PB I was a ferocious sceptic. My younger, angrier self was quite correct. The EU is awful in so many ways, one loses count. Corrupt, malign, inert, ugly, undemocratic, silly, clumsy, impoverishing, and pernicious.
Yes, it's better than WAR, but that's just about all you can say for it. Every europhile in history should be flogged at the triangle until the ants steal away bloody gobbets of their flesh.
Different countries are reflecting the democratic wishes of their peoples, and trying to find an agreement. It is democracy in action.
Rather incompatible with the EU though, given they want to harmonise as much as possible across the continent, and that will on some, or many, things, involve individual nations and their democratic wishes being overruled at some point. It's really only a surprise, and a testament to some hard work, that it hasn't happened as much as seriously as it could have.
Democracy requires that the minority is overruled by the majority at times. If you consider the demos to be Europe wide then democracy has been served.
Except you just pointed out that the separate democracies have been reflecting the separate democratic wishes of their separate peoples. And these are in nations much more pro-EU than this one, which is still broadly accepting of the EU, and even they do not see the demos to be Europe. Not when it comes down to an issue they actually care about.
Yes, if the goal is a USE, it makes sense, but it isn't one yet and their isn't a shared demos yet, just individual nations collaborating, which isn't the same thing, not yet.
OK, He was Shadow Minister for the City of London if you really want to be technical. Point remains he held several key posts under both Kinnock and Smith before he became leader
I wasn't being technical, I was being factual, you were being wrong, again.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
I believe he exploited a scheme set up to help deprived inner city youth to further their educations. Or his Marxist Dad made a phone call.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
As Charles alludes to he got one of those special places reserved for sons of Marxist intellectuals
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
How do you even measure "strength" if you include commodities? The value of the material per gram?
Just think, gold is very rare, has the best electrical and thermal properties, and can't be corroded by your usual chemicals. Therefore practically gold is a very valuable thing throughout the universe. And the price of gold on Earth is measured per ounces, right now is 750 pounds per ounce.
Sure, gold is very valuable. But it's not the most valuable substance - that would be something like antihydrogen, I'd have thought.
HYUFD: I've read that it used to be rare for anyone to get an A at A-level and was quite common for people to get into top universities with Bs and Cs, at least for the less popular subjects.
@HYUFD But unlike Burnham or Cooper, Blair was not part of a previous long term Labour Government that left us in a huge economic hole, before then going onto hold key briefs in a subsequent Labour Shadow Cabinet under Miliband. You are not comparing like with like here.
He had been in Labour's top team for some time during 2 losing election campaigns. Thatcher was part of Heath's government, Heath was part of Macmillan and Home's, so what? Churchill had been Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time of the Wall Street Crash but went on to become PM
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
How do you even measure "strength" if you include commodities? The value of the material per gram?
Just think, gold is very rare, has the best electrical and thermal properties, and can't be corroded by your usual chemicals. Therefore practically gold is a very valuable thing throughout the universe. And the price of gold on Earth is measured per ounces, right now is 750 pounds per ounce.
Sure, gold is very valuable. But it's not the most valuable substance - that would be something like antihydrogen, I'd have thought.
Spandau Ballet never wrote a song about anti hydrogen.
Mr. Eagles, ah, the joys of qualified majority voting.
But would that take money from countries who voted against it? And what percentage do the six make up (I'd guess it's well over 15%)?
Mr Dancer. The seven minus Germany is just 9.1657%. Add in Austria, and you get to 11.9301% So it all rests on Germany, or persuading everyone in the EZ that forcing through 85% voting rule over the wishes of 6 sovereign countries will do more damage to the Euro, EZ and EU than anything Greece could do.
Yes it would, but in the longer term. The EU seems more interested in keeping the Greek charade going for another few months and may rail road countries into funding a bailout against their wishes. For me that is a net gain as the people in these countries will immediately become more scepitc wbkcn is what we need. Britain can't continue to stand alone as the voice of scepticism and reason in the face of EU stupidity, we need allies and the more countries the EU alienates the better our cause becomes.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
He was turned down and his Dad made some calls.
Miliband, D applied to Oxford in the days of the entrance exam and the 2 E offer. A good number of people got in with less than stunning grades - because they had already proved their worth through the exam and at interview.
There are those - like myself - who applied from a state school and chose a college with a reputation for affirmative action with regards to people from my background. I was offered a place - on a BBB offer. So I didn't really have to push myself - and ended up with BBBD - and a place to read jurisprudence.
While my patience for the Greeks has long since worn out, this bit about them possibly having to pass brand new laws like this week to assure the creditors of specific things seems a bit dodgy even if it is necessary. Presumably these would be written by the creditors to ensure it was right and rushed through the Greek parliament, so if it happens I hope the EU has native Greek speakers drafting the proposals, as I'm not sure I'd trust complex legislation drafted by foreigners with no time for scrutiny.
" I'm not being technical, I was being factual, you were being incorrect, again"
I am trying to watch this Battle of Britain programme at the same time as fact grabbing and I misread his position as 'Shadow Trade Minister' as 'Shadow Secretary'. He was, of course, also Shadow Sec of State for Employment ie Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary under Kinnock, hardly a minor role either
Oh no, it seems Greece needs another 25 billion euros for it's banks on top of the 100 billion asked earlier, so the total so far is 125 billion euros (that will make SeanT happy).
THE ONLY THING STOPPING THE EURO FROM BEING THE STRONGEST CURRENCY IN THE STAR SYSTEM IS THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT COLLAPSE TONIGHT
Realistically the strongest currency in the universe is gold, by nature of it's physical properties and relative rareness, I think every civilization in the whole universe would value gold very highly. Certainly more than euro's.
Iron must be stronger than gold, as it kills stars.
(For the non-geek, a typical star fuses its hydrogen to make helium, then burns helium to make heavier elements, That is until it creates iron, which it cannot do much with. As the iron builds up in a star, the star cannot generate enough energy to withstand its gravity and you get a bit of a bang. The bang is believed to be where the heavier elements, including gold, are created (*))
(*) I may have got this wrong, and it is a simplification.
While my patience for the Greeks has long since worn out, this bit about them possibly having to pass brand new laws like this week to assure the creditors of specific things seems a bit dodgy even if it is necessary. Presumably these would be written by the creditors to ensure it was right and rushed through the Greek parliament, so if it happens I hope the EU has native Greek speakers drafting the proposals, as I'm not sure I'd trust complex legislation drafted by foreigners with no time for scrutiny.
It's OK, the legislation will be written in German....
HYUFD: I've read that it used to be rare for anyone to get an A at A-level and was quite common for people to get into top universities with Bs and Cs, at least for the less popular subjects.
My Med School offer was BBC in the early eighties (I got AAAB). DM may well have got in via the Oxford exam and interview, which was not too hard for some subjects. Indeed I was offered a place to do Chemistry, though preferred to go to London to do Medicine.
" I'm not being technical, I was being factual, you were being incorrect, again"
I am trying to watch this Battle of Britain programme at the same time as fact grabbing and I misread his position as 'Trade Minister' as 'Secretary of State'. He was, of course, also Shadow Sec of State for Employment ie Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary under Kinnock, hardly a minor role either
HYUFD: I've read that it used to be rare for anyone to get an A at A-level and was quite common for people to get into top universities with Bs and Cs, at least for the less popular subjects.
My Med School offer was BBC in the early eighties (I got AAAB). DM may well have got in via the Oxford exam and interview, which was not too hard for some subjects. Indeed I was offered a place to do Chemistry, though preferred to go to London to do Medicine.
From memory, my offer to read law at Durham in 1978 was ABC....
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
He was turned down and his Dad made some calls.
Miliband, D applied to Oxford in the days of the entrance exam and the 2 E offer. A good number of people got in with less than stunning grades - because they had already proved their worth through the exam and at interview.
There are those - like myself - who applied from a state school and chose a college with a reputation for affirmative action with regards to people from my background. I was offered a place - on a BBB offer. So I didn't really have to push myself - and ended up with BBBD - and a place to read jurisprudence.
Indeed.
But as it happened, he was turned down & then reapplied using a scheme for deprived inner-city kids, backed up by a call from his Dad to a former colleague who was a Fellow at Corpus.
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Miliband, D applied to Oxford in the days of the entrance exam and the 2 E offer. A good number of people got in with less than stunning grades - because they had already proved their worth through the exam and at interview.
There are those - like myself - who applied from a state school and chose a college with a reputation for affirmative action with regards to people from my background. I was offered a place - on a BBB offer. So I didn't really have to push myself - and ended up with BBBD - and a place to read jurisprudence.
Wow thanks for clearing that up.
Didn't know they used to make offers with 2 E grades based on a good entrance exam result.
I had a university increase their requirements for me, which was really annoying as I wanted them as my insurance choice.
HYUFD: I've read that it used to be rare for anyone to get an A at A-level and was quite common for people to get into top universities with Bs and Cs, at least for the less popular subjects.
I got 4 As (Maths, Chem, Physics, Bio) and an E (Advanced Maths) at A level in 1977 and still did not get into Cambridge...
HYUFD: I've read that it used to be rare for anyone to get an A at A-level and was quite common for people to get into top universities with Bs and Cs, at least for the less popular subjects.
Indeed. I achieved BBC at A Level (yes) and nonetheless got into UCL (who only asked for two Es, as was their wont back then). UCL is arguably one of the best Unis in the world (depending how you feel about Tim Hunt).
Hard to believe you could get into UCL now without a load of As. But I could be wrong.
Grade inflation though has a lot to do with it, nowadays Oxford demands 3 As and almost all its students get that, Cambridge demands A*AA
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I suppose IOUs would not count as an official currency, but that could only last a month or so before an official new Drachma was issued.
HYUFD: I've read that it used to be rare for anyone to get an A at A-level and was quite common for people to get into top universities with Bs and Cs, at least for the less popular subjects.
My Med School offer was BBC in the early eighties (I got AAAB). DM may well have got in via the Oxford exam and interview, which was not too hard for some subjects. Indeed I was offered a place to do Chemistry, though preferred to go to London to do Medicine.
Indeed, that was one way to do it, though as Charles suggests he seems to have got in through an inner city action scheme and some parental assistance
Chris Morris, the BBC's Europe Correspondent Posted at 22:47
This was never going to be easy. Finance ministers are drawing up a list of extra demands for Greece to approve as evidence that they actually mean business.
Finland has said that its government is not willing to support a bailout of Greece.
The Italians on the other had have said they will come in tomorrow and demand that a deal is done for the sake of European unity."
" I'm not being technical, I was being factual, you were being incorrect, again"
I am trying to watch this Battle of Britain programme at the same time as fact grabbing and I misread his position as 'Trade Minister' as 'Secretary of State'. He was, of course, also Shadow Sec of State for Employment ie Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary under Kinnock, hardly a minor role either
What was it LBJ said of Gerald Ford?
In my case probably true (albeit I am not President of the USA)
I actually feel a bit sorry for Kendall. Even if she didn't think she could actually win, if she put in a really good showing that would do good things for her career and future chances perhaps, but if she occupies the last slot behind Corbyn, it looks like a gamble that really did not pay off.
On a similar note, in the US with the more than a dozen declared Republican candidates, most of whom have to know they have no chance, and not even a chance to get much publicity either particularly if they don't get through to the debates (though I'm unclear how they are narrowed down), so what are they actually hoping to achieve personally?
Kendall is giving labour an opportunity. To take that opportunity she does not need to win, but come second. If she is clearly rejected then its Labour you should feel sorry for. For her, if she believes in a direction for Labour she needs to put down a calling card
Kendall is the only one of the four capable of being leader on May 9th 2020 two days after the next election. Burnham is like EdM but with a Liverpool accent and without the intellect.
Ed had intellect???? I know he had intellectual self-confidence but intellect? Really?
Ed Miliband is not an intellectual. I cannot pinpoint a significant new idea for which he can claim ownership. Not one. Not a sausage. He just serves up warmed-over socialism, the ideological leftovers of the Seventies, covered in a sauce of opportunism.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
I'll go with Vernon Bogdanor's judgement, if you don't mind.
He rated Cameron as among the smartest students he had taught. That means that Cameron is brighter than me so he must be damn good
Bloody hell. Were you at BNC too Charles? Reckon that makes three of us on PB.
@afneil: Wow! Germany wants Greece to park €50bn state assets in Luxembourg to make sure they're privatised!
Sounds like we've reached the stage where they are trying to get the Greeks to say no by making truly unacceptable demands* so they can say they didn't pull the trigger on grexit
*as opposed to earlier demands which were called unacceptable prior to being accepted.
Bloody hell. Were you at BNC too Charles? Reckon that makes three of us on PB.
Nah - I was at New (like @Icarus); my brother at BNC. Vernon was my external tutor.
Ahh, even so - frequently amazed how many chaps I encounter who were at BNC. C. 100 annual intake means only around 6000 people alive who have been. Have met 2 in the past few months!
As a lowly historian, I missed out on the apparently formidable VB tutes...
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They are in real trouble. Virtually no-one actually passionately likes it, as it is hard to be passionate about the bureaucratic mess that is at its heart, and the pool of people who despise it is growing, and more worringly so is the group that are minded not to tolerate it silently.
Now, people still seem to indicate they would vote to stay In, but the Greeks also say they want to stay in the Euro, and if that is happening it isn't without a lot of pain along the way, and I wonder if push come to shove if people have enough tolerance for the system to put up with it. For now, maybe, but they need more people to actually passionately like the thing for that to be easier.
I believe that the only health and reasonable response to the greek bailout demands for another 100 billion euros should be this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-AxgueBRk
Secret filming in the Greek government has uncovered what really happened...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY
Edit: @Speedy - snap.
"Ed had intellect???? I know he had intellectual self-confidence but intellect? Really?
Ed Miliband is not an intellectual. I cannot pinpoint a significant new idea for which he can claim ownership. Not one. Not a sausage. He just serves up warmed-over socialism, the ideological leftovers of the Seventies, covered in a sauce of opportunism.
Just thinking about David Cameron, and looking at a mirror image of EM, I have to agree.
Oh, Cameron is no intellectual either. But, unlike Ed, he doesn't claim to be. Thank God. Spare us intellectual politicians. Cameron claims to be a pragmatic One Nation Conservative, with a fairly shrewd Chancellor.
He is also a much better politician, and smarter election campaigner, than Ed Miliband, as it turns out.
Ah! Nope, luckier I will agree. Even with a First from Brasenose College iI would not say that he was an intellectual, or even street smart.
Cameron got fairly average O levels at Eton, Ed Miliband AABB at A Level and a 2.1, David Miliband BBBD, none are exactly intellectual titans
I'll go with Vernon Bogdanor's judgement, if you don't mind.
He rated Cameron as among the smartest students he had taught. That means that Cameron is brighter than me so he must be damn good
I don't disagree, but being smart and being intellectual are two different things, it was the latter I was referring to
Germany is playing the role of the US in the Coalition of the Willing
@LondonerVince
Institutions think #Greece will need €74bn to cover financing gap until end-July 2018. Much higher than figures doing rounds so far. #Greece
Jul. 11, 2015
The Euro will survive, and most likely will be stronger after Grexit stops holding it back.
The Bad News: We have Finnexit instead.
(maybe)
Under John Smith, he was Shadow Home Secretary
I mean, you were the one who called the Indyref for Yes, when one poll came out and had Yes ahead, and I believe you may have said Ed Miliband would be PM after the election.
Certainly more than euro's.
Duncan Robinson @duncanrobinson 6m6 minutes ago
How are things going at Eurogroup? "No way near the end", apparently.
Well I'm not waiting, I wish Happy Grexit to you all.
Goodnight.
Blair was Shadow DTI Secretary under Kinnock, ie basically Shadow Business Secretary as was
No he wasn't."
OK, He was Shadow Minister for the City of London if you really want to be technical. Point remains he held several key posts under both Kinnock and Smith before he became leader
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
He was turned down and his Dad made some calls.
And the price of gold on Earth is measured per ounces, right now is 750 pounds per ounce.
Please spill on this hitherto unknown scandal.
Siegfried Muresan@SMuresan
Just to clarify: #Schaeuble poposed temporary exit from #Euro to give #Greece chance to restructure debt, which is not allowed within Euro
Robert Peston @Peston
Robert Peston retweeted Siegfried Muresan
But once principle of temporary exit is established, the euro becomes a glorified currency peg, & they never endure
But one thing is certain: the Euro has lost its innocence. For the first few years of its life it was a chaste individual, serious and studious; a bookworm. But it contracted syphilis after a holiday fling with a waiter in the Cyclades, and nobody will look at it in quite the same way again.
The Euro may treat the disease at great cost; it may become a dockside hooker selling expensive tricks to the citizens of the Eurozone countries; or it may even end up dead, shot on a street corner by an angry punter in Berlin.
Whatever happens, it will no longer be innocent.
Yes, if the goal is a USE, it makes sense, but it isn't one yet and their isn't a shared demos yet, just individual nations collaborating, which isn't the same thing, not yet.
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
I believe he exploited a scheme set up to help deprived inner city youth to further their educations.
Or his Marxist Dad made a phone call.
How on earth did David Miliband get into Oxford with such mediocre O levels. When I was looking at Oxford they wanted nothing less than straights As.
As Charles alludes to he got one of those special places reserved for sons of Marxist intellectuals
He was turned down and his Dad made some calls.
Miliband, D applied to Oxford in the days of the entrance exam and the 2 E offer. A good number of people got in with less than stunning grades - because they had already proved their worth through the exam and at interview.
There are those - like myself - who applied from a state school and chose a college with a reputation for affirmative action with regards to people from my background. I was offered a place - on a BBB offer. So I didn't really have to push myself - and ended up with BBBD - and a place to read jurisprudence.
I am trying to watch this Battle of Britain programme at the same time as fact grabbing and I misread his position as 'Shadow Trade Minister' as 'Shadow Secretary'. He was, of course, also Shadow Sec of State for Employment ie Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary under Kinnock, hardly a minor role either
I had enough, goodnight.
(For the non-geek, a typical star fuses its hydrogen to make helium, then burns helium to make heavier elements, That is until it creates iron, which it cannot do much with. As the iron builds up in a star, the star cannot generate enough energy to withstand its gravity and you get a bit of a bang. The bang is believed to be where the heavier elements, including gold, are created (*))
(*) I may have got this wrong, and it is a simplification.
(he said, only half joking....)
Which way did he vote on Friday?
But as it happened, he was turned down & then reapplied using a scheme for deprived inner-city kids, backed up by a call from his Dad to a former colleague who was a Fellow at Corpus.
Seems value to me.
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Didn't know they used to make offers with 2 E grades based on a good entrance exam result.
I had a university increase their requirements for me, which was really annoying as I wanted them as my insurance choice.
"No easy path
Chris Morris, the BBC's Europe Correspondent
Posted at 22:47
This was never going to be easy. Finance ministers are drawing up a list of extra demands for Greece to approve as evidence that they actually mean business.
Finland has said that its government is not willing to support a bailout of Greece.
The Italians on the other had have said they will come in tomorrow and demand that a deal is done for the sake of European unity."
@SkyNewsBreak: European finance ministers' meeting to discuss #Greek bailout has ended after nine hours and will resume tomorrow morning
I call the SNP terrible and evil, and I quote one of Sean Connery's most iconic cinematic lines.
BBC breaking news
Greece has stood up to EU bullies like Spartans did against the Persians
http://bit.ly/1Cw8mpC
*as opposed to earlier demands which were called unacceptable prior to being accepted.
The cloven hoof is showing.
https://twitter.com/Georg1os/status/619994933273956352
As a lowly historian, I missed out on the apparently formidable VB tutes...