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A strong Labour party is not just good for the poor, deprived and under-privileged in our society but it is a also good for the country at large
No, no, no, no.
A strong opposition is good for the country, sensible articulated political views and reasoned debate are good for the country, a voice for the poor, underprivileged and deprived is good.
Mr. Sandpit, np. Glad your Bottas bet came off [it was unlucky the safety car didn't, but you also argue it was fortunate Raikkonen had that weird burst of Kinetic energy, so swings and roundabouts].
Miss Plato, must take some effort to get a 56" waist.
Mr. Eagles, I didn't say Cameron was stupid over his debate stance.
This is a different matter.
Others did, the very same who are criticising Dave today.
Thatcher wouldn't have allowed members of her government to campaign against her, the fact that Eurosceptics are citing the weak, divided Harold Wilson Government as a precedent sums up the weakness of their position.
Actually Thatcher had a lot more sense than either you or Cameron.
When the pit closures were being proposed the MP for Newark Richard Alexander went to the PM and said he could not support her in Parliament over the issue because of the impact on his constituents. She agreed and ordered the whips not to push him over the issue. He voted against pit closures on every occasion.
Thatcher recognised the need for MPs to follow their consciences in such matters. Cameron - and you - apparently do not.
But would she have done the same if Alexander had been a Minister? She would have shown him the door.....
I doubt if the whip will be applied to Tory backbenchers.
I believe she would have held the line as long as negotiations were underway but then have allowed Ministers to follow their conscience once the campaign started. To do otherwise will make it seem (rightly) that Cameron is trying to railroad through a non deal.
As I said before my hope is that this rips the Tory party apart and they then have to rebuild from scratch with Cameron and his Europhile support excised. I doubt it will happen but it is a nice dream.
You may believe she would have done that, but were there any cases where she did allow ministers to vote against the whip? If there were, your belief might be correct. If not, it's on slightly dodgy ground.
I'd much rather you focus your intellect on the 'out' campaign rather than firing more fire on Cameron. It won't win the referendum, and you have too much knowledge on the benefits of 'out' to waste your time on this.
You're getting a referendum. It sounds like you've given up on winning it already.
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
I see the USA is trying to tell us what to do Re. the EU... Another reason to vote OUT and tell the Yank's where to stick their interfering once and for all!
Did you say the same when Barack said Scotland should remain in the UK?
Can'r remember, but winding up Malc aside, I was always pretty relaxed about Scotland b*ggering off if that's what they wanted to do.
The big decision for England re Scotland is not whether to let them go, but whether to let them back in again after they've failed and come begging back.
If there were a velvet revolution in North Korea would South Korea really want them to merge? It would the DDR / BRD all over again.
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
Is this the calm before the storm? or are we already in the eye of the tornado? You know things are in a bad way when the DT is reluctant to open up the comments section:
I reckon the DT knows it's got a major image problem with the character and attitudes of its commentariat and therefore tries to limit comment to subjects where the loonies aren't interested in hurling UKIP faeces.
The Grauniad has a similar problem but is narcissistic enough to believe that everyone agrees with its commenters' positions and that it isn't a problem. When you are the BBC's inhouse paper and cross-subsidised by Auto Trader I suppose the usual economic consequences of being this thick never actually come calling.
Liz Kendall drew gasps from the crowd when she said that while Socialism isn’t dead, it must fundamentally reform itself and that Labour must care as much about wealth creation as wealth redistribution (as it is that wealth that pays for public services). She also found a possibly unlikely ally in Jeremy Corbyn when she expanded the point to say that we must not confuse Socialism with Statism and we should redistribute power as much – if not more so – than money."
A good example of why Kendall is a winner.
You reckon? I'd say it showed she had roughly the right idea, which means she has no chance at all until they've lost four time on the trot.
Is this the calm before the storm? or are we already in the eye of the tornado? You know things are in a bad way when the DT is reluctant to open up the comments section:
I reckon the DT knows it's got a major image problem with the character and attitudes of its commentariat and therefore tries to limit comment to subjects where the loonies aren't interested in hurling UKIP faeces.
The Grauniad has a similar problem but is narcissistic enough to believe that everyone agrees with its commenters' positions and that it isn't a problem. When you are the BBC's inhouse paper and cross-subsidised by Auto Trader I suppose the usual economic consequences of being this thick never actually come calling.
Even in pre-internet times, it was said the reason the Telegraph's letters column was so small compared to the Guardian or Times was not that Telegraph readers did not write in, but that so little of it was printable.
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
All the Kippers are off celebrating their 102 MPs
Someone clearly misread 1 or 2 as 102 didn't they, when the original prediction was made.
A strong Labour party is not just good for the poor, deprived and under-privileged in our society but it is a also good for the country at large
No, no, no, no.
A strong opposition is good for the country, sensible articulated political views and reasoned debate are good for the country, a voice for the poor, underprivileged and deprived is good.
None of these require the Labour party.
Strictly speaking correct, although who else is stepping up at present if not them?
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
All the Kippers are off celebrating their 102 MPs
@TSE you need some new material. You already made the "102 MPs" joke on the previous thread. :-)
Liz Kendall drew gasps from the crowd when she said that while Socialism isn’t dead, it must fundamentally reform itself and that Labour must care as much about wealth creation as wealth redistribution (as it is that wealth that pays for public services). She also found a possibly unlikely ally in Jeremy Corbyn when she expanded the point to say that we must not confuse Socialism with Statism and we should redistribute power as much – if not more so – than money."
A good example of why Kendall is a winner.
You reckon? I'd say it showed she had roughly the right idea, which means she has no chance at all until they've lost four time on the trot.
Yes, I argued on here a few days ago that Corbyn's entry to the race could help her to differentiate herself from Burnham/Cooper in a way that is genuinely appealing to the left-wing of her party. She also has an obvious knack for sloganeering.
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
All the Kippers are off celebrating their 102 MPs
@TSE you need some new material. You already made the "102 MPs" joke on the previous thread. :-)
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
All the Kippers are off celebrating their 102 MPs
@TSE you need some new material. You already made the "102 MPs" joke on the previous thread. :-)
I've got some new material for a thread next week which trolls the Kippers and the Kippers in Kilts, the SNP
Mr. Tyndall, if that happens then you'll have pro-EU Labour governments dragging us ever closer to the abyss.
What you fail to recognise is that if In wins then we will already be in the Abyss. And as I have said before I see no difference in EU terms between a pro EU Labour Government and the pro EU Tory Government we have now.
Mr. Tyndall, I think that's entirely wrong. Things could easily get worse: 1) joining the euro [admittedly, unlikely in the short term] 2) rebate whittled away 3) financial transaction tax 4) eurozone integration giving the voting muscle for the eurozone to dominate voting proceedings even on non-eurozone matters
And that's just off the top of my head.
Out should be focused on winning, not trying to split the Conservatives and give UKIP a boost.
What if Cameron can't get what he wants on the EU and comes out for 'Out' on the EU referendum,remember Cameron has said Nothing should be off the table if he can't get a deal.
It would make some pro EU con's on here look abit silly ;-) and it would be proberly be backed by most of his cabinet.
With the exception of Sam I can't think of any kippers who are not posting on here just as they did before the election (accepting that everyone seems to be posting less now whichever party they support)
Mr. Tyndall, I think that's entirely wrong. Things could easily get worse: 1) joining the euro [admittedly, unlikely in the short term] 2) rebate whittled away 3) financial transaction tax 4) eurozone integration giving the voting muscle for the eurozone to dominate voting proceedings even on non-eurozone matters
And that's just off the top of my head.
Out should be focused on winning, not trying to split the Conservatives and give UKIP a boost.
With the exception of the Euro entry all those things are likely to happen if In wins anyway. It is only those who are being dishonest about the current nature of the EU and our relationship to it who are trying to pretend otherwise. If we stay in the EU and no longer have the threat of voting to leave we will see the FTT in some form and we will see our rebate disappear. We will certainly see the inner core of countries come to dominate the outer. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme.
Mr. Tyndall, I think that's entirely wrong. Things could easily get worse: 1) joining the euro [admittedly, unlikely in the short term] 2) rebate whittled away 3) financial transaction tax 4) eurozone integration giving the voting muscle for the eurozone to dominate voting proceedings even on non-eurozone matters
And that's just off the top of my head.
Out should be focused on winning, not trying to split the Conservatives and give UKIP a boost.
Cards on the Table - I'd be relaxed about voting "In" for something very like the status quo, with a few reasonable reforms. (Which I think Cameron can achieve) I agree with your list except for item 4. This has already happened.
Since November 2014, new weightings for Qualified Majority Voting (QMV) in the Council came into force (Introduced by the Lisbon Treaty). Measures now need the support of 55% of the Council members, and 65% of population.
This means that Eurozone members can decide on a measure that suits them, and impose it on the other non-eurozone members using QMV by voting as a bloc.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE · UTurn alert: Number 10 clarifies that PM only suggested ministers should toe the line during EU renegotiations - not at actual referendum
BBC Politics @BBCPolitics · Downing Street denies that a free vote for ministers during EU referendum campaign has been ruled out: http://bbc.in/1FKPa2l
PoliticsHome @politicshome · 1 min1 minute ago No 10's clarification of David Cameron's EU referendum/renegotiation remarks. More here (£): http://polho.me/1G6tWiz
Regards Hillsborough, unfortunately semi finals and finals were notorious for fans trying to get in without tickets. I believe that was very much a contributory factor on that day. That's not to excuse the police - after all most of the fans that lost their lives did have tickets - and they had a right to be protected from other supporters.
What annoys me is the reluctance of anyone associated with Liverpool to acknowledge this as part of the problem. Instead they implicitly condone ticketless supporters by arguing that it was unfair that they got the Leppings Lane End rather than the larger Kop End.
Thankfully things are different today and the organization of major football games is much better.
Not sure that is true. There was a big crush when Spurs played Wolves at Hillsborough in the 1981 semi-final, lots of injuries though thankfully very few serious ones. That had nothing to do with ticketless fans and everything to do with Leppings Lane not being fit for purpose:
I see the USA is trying to tell us what to do Re. the EU... Another reason to vote OUT and tell the Yank's where to stick their interfering once and for all!
Did you say the same when Barack said Scotland should remain in the UK?
Poodles , always at USA's beck and call, "fetch Rover"
Shouldn’t there be a semi colon after “call”, and a comma between “fetch” and “Rover"?
I see the USA is trying to tell us what to do Re. the EU... Another reason to vote OUT and tell the Yank's where to stick their interfering once and for all!
Did you say the same when Barack said Scotland should remain in the UK?
Poodles , always at USA's beck and call, "fetch Rover"
Like Salmond drooling over Donald Trump.
Things soon went sour with Don and Alex though didn't they?
Strange idea of drooling , Salmond telling Donald to F off with his plans and Donald taking the huff.
I see the USA is trying to tell us what to do Re. the EU... Another reason to vote OUT and tell the Yank's where to stick their interfering once and for all!
Did you say the same when Barack said Scotland should remain in the UK?
Poodles , always at USA's beck and call, "fetch Rover"
Like Salmond drooling over Donald Trump.
Things soon went sour with Don and Alex though didn't they?
But until they did, Salmond was dry humping The Trump's leg, like a randy spaniel.
Keeping low until the Carswell-Farage splat dies down. TBH there's nothing much for them to do as Kippers - they may of course comment on other things without acknowledging their Kipperhood..
All the Kippers are off celebrating their 102 MPs
@TSE you need some new material. You already made the "102 MPs" joke on the previous thread. :-)
I've got some new material for a thread next week which trolls the Kippers and the Kippers in Kilts, the SNP
I see the USA is trying to tell us what to do Re. the EU... Another reason to vote OUT and tell the Yank's where to stick their interfering once and for all!
Did you say the same when Barack said Scotland should remain in the UK?
Poodles , always at USA's beck and call, "fetch Rover"
Shouldn’t there be a semi colon after “call”, and a comma between “fetch” and “Rover"?
It is the internet, not an O level exam.
Marvellous response - I may have to steal it, as a serious user (and over user) of semi-colons, hyphens and parentheses.
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A strong opposition is good for the country, sensible articulated political views and reasoned debate are good for the country, a voice for the poor, underprivileged and deprived is good.
None of these require the Labour party.
Miss Plato, must take some effort to get a 56" waist.
I'd much rather you focus your intellect on the 'out' campaign rather than firing more fire on Cameron. It won't win the referendum, and you have too much knowledge on the benefits of 'out' to waste your time on this.
You're getting a referendum. It sounds like you've given up on winning it already.
If there were a velvet revolution in North Korea would South Korea really want them to merge? It would the DDR / BRD all over again.
North Britain, North Korea - same thing.
The Grauniad has a similar problem but is narcissistic enough to believe that everyone agrees with its commenters' positions and that it isn't a problem. When you are the BBC's inhouse paper and cross-subsidised by Auto Trader I suppose the usual economic consequences of being this thick never actually come calling.
1) joining the euro [admittedly, unlikely in the short term]
2) rebate whittled away
3) financial transaction tax
4) eurozone integration giving the voting muscle for the eurozone to dominate voting proceedings even on non-eurozone matters
And that's just off the top of my head.
Out should be focused on winning, not trying to split the Conservatives and give UKIP a boost.
New Thread
What if Cameron can't get what he wants on the EU and comes out for 'Out' on the EU referendum,remember Cameron has said Nothing should be off the table if he can't get a deal.
It would make some pro EU con's on here look abit silly ;-) and it would be proberly be backed by most of his cabinet.
I agree with your list except for item 4. This has already happened.
Since November 2014, new weightings for Qualified Majority Voting (QMV) in the Council came into force (Introduced by the Lisbon Treaty).
Measures now need the support of 55% of the Council members, and 65% of population.
This means that Eurozone members can decide on a measure that suits them, and impose it on the other non-eurozone members using QMV by voting as a bloc.
UTurn alert: Number 10 clarifies that PM only suggested ministers should toe the line during EU renegotiations - not at actual referendum
BBC Politics @BBCPolitics ·
Downing Street denies that a free vote for ministers during EU referendum campaign has been ruled out: http://bbc.in/1FKPa2l
No 10's clarification of David Cameron's EU referendum/renegotiation remarks. More here (£): http://polho.me/1G6tWiz
An inexplicable omission of Marcus Brigstock in that comment.
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