Just watching Marr on iplayer. Has Yvette Cooper really made a speech saying that she knows how to stand up for people because as head prefect she organised a strike for someone who wasnt allowed to wear white socks???
Must be a Tory smear by those who want to anticipate a 'Labour led by posh girls' narrative.
TCPB Labour can still win even if they just win back a few seats from the SNP, there was an above average swing in English and Welsh marginals to the Tories to stop Miliband only coming to power through the SNP, next time if voters want a Labour government and prefer the Labour leader to the Tories there could be an equally big swingback to Labour in the marginals to ensure a Labour majority or at least a Labour deal with Farron's LDs
There is more than a touch of wishful thinking in that. I remember post 1997, it was "if we could only get all those people who voted for us in 1992 but stayed at home in 1997 we can win".
Surbiton Yes, the Scots so want independence they voted it down by a 10% margin just months ago, what they actually want is more powers, starting with the implementation of the Smith Plans, which is occurring anyway, and ultimately FFA
The 45% vote for the same party. That's more than enough under FPTP.
notme I was focusing on the voters who voted for Blair from 1997-2005 then switched to Cameron in 2010 and 2015, not those who stayed at home, even if not all those switch back to Labour Labour could still win a majority in England and Wales if it wins over half of them and maybe adds a handful of gains from the SNP in Scotland
I think you're underestimating the geopolitical importance of anchoring the FRG in the Western camp during the Cold War. Without the early phase of the EU project it's easy to imagine alternative histories in which the idea of Britain joining a peaceful Common Market in 1973 were equally absurd.
Anachronistic nonsense. Remember that the United States, the United Kingdom and France were entitled to occupy West Germany by right of conquest. There was never any real chance of West Germany leaving the Western camp in any event, and any chance that had existed had evaporated by the date the Treaty of Rome was signed. West Germany was not and was never going to be the Western equivalent of Yugoslavia.
The Treaty of Paris in 1951 should be considered the beginning of the project of European integration and this preceded Stalin's overtures to West Germany to reunify under a policy of neutrality.
But if this discussion is too anachronistic for you let's try a present day example: Putin's strategists seek to play the major European powers off against each other. They would dearly love to be faced with a Europe of nation states as this would make their tactic of corrupting the politics of Western Europe much easier to execute.
Just watching Marr on iplayer. Has Yvette Cooper really made a speech saying that she knows how to stand up for people because as head prefect she organised a strike for someone who wasnt allowed to wear white socks???
Must be a Tory smear by those who want to anticipate a 'Labour led by posh girls' narrative.
Philip Hammond's bottom line is now "treaty change would be needed to secure the changes the PM wants to achieve ahead of the referendum, including restricting EU migrants' welfare entitlement."
Note restricted movement across borders have been quietly dropped. I thought benefit cuts could be done right now as long as other EU citizens were not discriminated against.
Tories are saying that certain benefits will only be based on contributions put in. That's fine ! If it is such a good idea why restrict it to EU citizens, why not Brits ?
Restrictions to EU migration have not been dropped by the Tories. If they don't limit at least unemployed beggars and convicted criminals it will need serious concessions elsewhere to be a successful renegotiation.
What was most disturbing onthat program was the issue of the Government being able to spend unlimited money on one side up to election day. The referendum result will be illegitimate if that happens. It goes against every notion of a free and fair election.
Exactly Versailles guaranteed conflict by denying Germans self determination giving Hitler both purpose and support.
The problem with Versailles was not that it was too harsh, but too lenient. There would have been no Second World War had Germany been partitioned in 1919.
Whenever a people are denied self determination the potential for conflict remains high, such an approach would have guaranteed it even more than Versailles. I am not sure people, other than your good self, would have had much interest in maintaining such a proposal.
notme I was focusing on the voters who voted for Blair from 1997-2005 then switched to Cameron in 2010 and 2015, not those who stayed at home, even if not all those switch back to Labour Labour could still win a majority in England and Wales if it wins over half of them and maybe adds a handful of gains from the SNP in Scotland
If if if. They arent going to switch back without work. I used to be an O2 customer, then i got a better deal from three. But I didnt like their coverage, Im now with EE.
I'm not switching back to any of those other networks without a good reason. Miliband's entire strategy was based around modest swing backs to Labour from those who deserted it to the Tories and to the Libdems. That was going to be enough.
It wasnt. It was fools gold. If we just do X, then those people who switched will switch back. No. It doesnt work like that.
Kendall stilted and robotic on Marr. Rather surprised.
It's like Labour have learned absolutely nothing from their recent humiliation.
Refusing to answer basic, simple questions will get them nowhere. The car crash over in-work benefits for EU migrants was embarrassing to watch. And I say that as someone who loves seeing Labour humiliation.
As a right wing Tory [ now, of course, a Nat ], Kendall would be your ideal Labour leader. If Scotland were to be independent, how long would it take you to be a SCON ?
Surbiton A better system would be the German system where you get more based on insurance contributions for a year, then for those who have still not found a job there is a lower basic benefit
I strongly agree. But, you need to be aware that unless we are willing to see a net growth in out of work benefits, for some to get more, others have to get less. JSA is pretty paltry as it is. Life on JSA is not the easy life, that a 'life on benefits' is portrayed, would you really want to knock that down further?
Its very telling how keen the YES supporters are to have anyone but Farage leading the NO campaign. Clegg argued very well for the EU in the two Europe debates against Farage but Farage was the clear winner according to the public. Hes the one the YES campaign is scared of.
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But if this discussion is too anachronistic for you let's try a present day example: Putin's strategists seek to play the major European powers off against each other. They would dearly love to be faced with a Europe of nation states as this would make their tactic of corrupting the politics of Western Europe much easier to execute.
She was already highly political at that point, the idea that her gran's pension being cut suddenly changed things is farcical.
What was most disturbing onthat program was the issue of the Government being able to spend unlimited money on one side up to election day. The referendum result will be illegitimate if that happens. It goes against every notion of a free and fair election.
I'm not switching back to any of those other networks without a good reason. Miliband's entire strategy was based around modest swing backs to Labour from those who deserted it to the Tories and to the Libdems. That was going to be enough.
It wasnt. It was fools gold. If we just do X, then those people who switched will switch back. No. It doesnt work like that.
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