Something on the radio this evening, only partially listening until I heard Blatter resignation. Seems journalists in Switzerland were asking questions all day about one particular "problem" which was too close for Sepp's comfort.
I am reading between the lines but it seems that that letter to Blatter's deputy from the South Africans containing detailed payment instructions which was publicised yesterday takes the paper trail right to Blatter's door. There is probably more as his lieutenants give it up as well. I think he is looking at a long hard stretch in a US nick. Somehow the tears just won't come.
Retirement home in Qater beckons. Or sonewhere without a US extradition treaty. Kazakhstan?
Something on the radio this evening, only partially listening until I heard Blatter resignation. Seems journalists in Switzerland were asking questions all day about one particular "problem" which was too close for Sepp's comfort.
I am reading between the lines but it seems that that letter to Blatter's deputy from the South Africans containing detailed payment instructions which was publicised yesterday takes the paper trail right to Blatter's door. There is probably more as his lieutenants give it up as well. I think he is looking at a long hard stretch in a US nick. Somehow the tears just won't come.
This may have something to do with it:
Wednesday FIFA whistle blower Chuck Blazer’s full transcript is due to be released and Collins believes there will be further revelations which could explain’s Blatter’s decision to stand down.
"If you want to remain out of the clutches of the US Justice system, don't use US banks to launder money."
Anybody who has is a total and utter moron. If you are going to take dodgy money, the last place you go anywhere near is a US bank on US soil. You can find all worlds major banking groups in Panama, and they won't ask you any questions (you don't even have to provide your name) if you wish to open an account.
What's most interesting to me about the FIFA case is how closely the US and Swiss authorities now appear to be co-operating which, frankly, is a change from the past. There may be other institutions or individuals based in Switzerland who might be feeling a bit more nervous than in the past.
That is interesting isn't it? I'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of the salons of Zurich and Basel tonight. Or Cairo. Or Harare. All good I say. Way to go yanks. Is it pay-back for the disrespect shown to Obama about the US WC bid?
Not an Obama fan but cleaning out these Augean stables is a bit of a legacy. Quelle fun!
I doubt it has anything to do with Obama. Look further back at what Swiss banks were doing at least a decade or so ago and how it affected the US. That gave the US the leverage to open up Switzerland. And now they're using it. And the Swiss are helping them.
And a lot of other countries are going in after them.
The Swiss banking model has changed from "you can keep it safe and hidden here" to "we can manage it well for you here". To be honest, that change has been happening for a while. FIFA and others have not noticed that the wind has changed - or thought that their wealth and importance would protect them. But, frankly, you can only take the proverbial for so long.
Being seen as a comparatively clean country is a commercial advantage. And the US has always had a history of going after those who get too big for their boots.
Something on the radio this evening, only partially listening until I heard Blatter resignation. Seems journalists in Switzerland were asking questions all day about one particular "problem" which was too close for Sepp's comfort.
I am reading between the lines but it seems that that letter to Blatter's deputy from the South Africans containing detailed payment instructions which was publicised yesterday takes the paper trail right to Blatter's door. There is probably more as his lieutenants give it up as well. I think he is looking at a long hard stretch in a US nick. Somehow the tears just won't come.
It looks like there was a 'facilitation payment' of $10m from SA. How big an organisation anywhere in the world doesn't have the Chief Exec aware of $10m in or out of the books?
He could look on the bright side though. No doubt the Colarado supermax is missing a president for its chapter of the World Society of the Friends of Suspenders.
Something on the radio this evening, only partially listening until I heard Blatter resignation. Seems journalists in Switzerland were asking questions all day about one particular "problem" which was too close for Sepp's comfort.
I am reading between the lines but it seems that that letter to Blatter's deputy from the South Africans containing detailed payment instructions which was publicised yesterday takes the paper trail right to Blatter's door. There is probably more as his lieutenants give it up as well. I think he is looking at a long hard stretch in a US nick. Somehow the tears just won't come.
It looks like there was a 'facilitation payment' of $10m from SA. How big an organisation anywhere in the world doesn't have the Chief Exec aware of $10m in or out of the books?
To be fair, FIFA is a multi-billion organisation, $10m is like a few quid down the back of the sofa.
If these allegations from FBI are true, people have been skimming $100's million off the top, and Blatter knew nothing about those either.
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
If you want to remain out of the clutches of the US Justice system, don't use US banks to launder money.
If Blatter has any sense, he'll book a one-way flight to Moscow.
Howard Marks ...... Mr Nice ...... has a guide to the subject!
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
If you want to remain out of the clutches of the US Justice system, don't use US banks to launder money.
If Blatter has any sense, he'll book a one-way flight to Moscow.
Howard Marks ...... Mr Nice ...... has a guide to the subject!
He could look on the bright side though. No doubt the Colarado supermax is missing a president for its chapter of the World Society of the Friends of Suspenders.
If he behaves himself there, he'll be given a black and White TV, with access to religious and educational programmes.
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
If you want to remain out of the clutches of the US Justice system, don't use US banks to launder money.
If Blatter has any sense, he'll book a one-way flight to Moscow.
Howard Marks ...... Mr Nice ...... has a guide to the subject!
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
If you want to remain out of the clutches of the US Justice system, don't use US banks to launder money.
If Blatter has any sense, he'll book a one-way flight to Moscow.
Howard Marks ...... Mr Nice ...... has a guide to the subject!
What's most interesting to me about the FIFA case is how closely the US and Swiss authorities now appear to be co-operating which, frankly, is a change from the past. There may be other institutions or individuals based in Switzerland who might be feeling a bit more nervous than in the past.
That is interesting isn't it? I'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of the salons of Zurich and Basel tonight. Or Cairo. Or Harare. All good I say. Way to go yanks. Is it pay-back for the disrespect shown to Obama about the US WC bid?
Not an Obama fan but cleaning out these Augean stables is a bit of a legacy. Quelle fun!
I doubt it has anything to do with Obama. Look further back at what Swiss banks were doing at least a decade or so ago and how it affected the US. That gave the US the leverage to open up Switzerland. And now they're using it. And the Swiss are helping them.
And a lot of other countries are going in after them.
The Swiss banking model has changed from "you can keep it safe and hidden here" to "we can manage it well for you here". To be honest, that change has been happening for a while. FIFA and others have not noticed that the wind has changed - or thought that their wealth and importance would protect them. But, frankly, you can only take the proverbial for so long.
Being seen as a comparatively clean country is a commercial advantage. And the US has always had a history of going after those who get too big for their boots.
Unless you're Chinese, of course.
The point when the U.S. Gets serious about the revolving door between politics and business in the U.S. is the date when I conclude that they are looking at corruption in all its forms and not just for electoral advantage.
What's most interesting to me about the FIFA case is how closely the US and Swiss authorities now appear to be co-operating which, frankly, is a change from the past. There may be other institutions or individuals based in Switzerland who might be feeling a bit more nervous than in the past.
That is interesting isn't it? I'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of the salons of Zurich and Basel tonight. Or Cairo. Or Harare. All good I say. Way to go yanks. Is it pay-back for the disrespect shown to Obama about the US WC bid?
Not an Obama fan but cleaning out these Augean stables is a bit of a legacy. Quelle fun!
I doubt it has anything to do with Obama. Look further back at what Swiss banks were doing at least a decade or so ago and how it affected the US. That gave the US the leverage to open up Switzerland. And now they're using it. And the Swiss are helping them.
And a lot of other countries are going in after them.
The Swiss banking model has changed from "you can keep it safe and hidden here" to "we can manage it well for you here". To be honest, that change has been happening for a while. FIFA and others have not noticed that the wind has changed - or thought that their wealth and importance would protect them. But, frankly, you can only take the proverbial for so long.
Being seen as a comparatively clean country is a commercial advantage. And the US has always had a history of going after those who get too big for their boots.
Unless you're Chinese, of course.
The point when the U.S. Gets serious about the revolving door between politics and business in the U.S. is the date when I conclude that they are looking at corruption in all its forms and not just for electoral advantage.
Well, indeed. Even the US has its faults and its blind eyes. But criticising a country for not doing enough is an odd criticism to make when you have others which do nothing. Better do something than nothing. And it's not as if this is an unknown unknown. Any company with even the slightest self-awareness or basic risk management should have been alert for years to the risk of bribery/corruption prosecutions. Even the SFO has made aggressive noises on this front.
Perhaps people thought that only bankers would be targets......
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
What's most interesting to me about the FIFA case is how closely the US and Swiss authorities now appear to be co-operating which, frankly, is a change from the past. There may be other institutions or individuals based in Switzerland who might be feeling a bit more nervous than in the past.
That is interesting isn't it? I'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of the salons of Zurich and Basel tonight. Or Cairo. Or Harare. All good I say. Way to go yanks. Is it pay-back for the disrespect shown to Obama about the US WC bid?
Not an Obama fan but cleaning out these Augean stables is a bit of a legacy. Quelle fun!
I doubt it has anything to do with Obama. Look further back at what Swiss banks were doing at least a decade or so ago and how it affected the US. That gave the US the leverage to open up Switzerland. And now they're using it. And the Swiss are helping them.
And a lot of other countries are going in after them.
The Swiss banking model has changed from "you can keep it safe and hidden here" to "we can manage it well for you here". To be honest, that change has been happening for a while. FIFA and others have not noticed that the wind has changed - or thought that their wealth and importance would protect them. But, frankly, you can only take the proverbial for so long.
Being seen as a comparatively clean country is a commercial advantage. And the US has always had a history of going after those who get too big for their boots.
Only cos the ones that didn't change got blown up.
What was the name of the stupid private bank that picked up a lot of clients that UBS told to get lost once they wised up to the fact the fed were serious? Really good way to destroy a long established banking house.
So Blatter resigns, and will call an extraordinary congress to elect his successor. Wasn't there one of those a couple of days ago??
I wonder what honest, uncorruptable and upstanding gentlemen will stand this time?
Hell of a legacy for whoever cleans up Fifa. Greater even than bringing peace to the Middle East.
I'll do it.
I hate football with a passion, but at least I won't damage it as much as this lot has.
I'll start with a wage cap, make the teams have names like the Manchester Terriers, allow them to handle the ball, alter the shape of the goalposts, and make it a contact sport. Perhaps altering the number of people in a team to thirteen or fifteen. Oh, and the shape of the ball will have to change, too.
So Blatter resigns, and will call an extraordinary congress to elect his successor. Wasn't there one of those a couple of days ago??
I wonder what honest, uncorruptable and upstanding gentlemen will stand this time?
Hell of a legacy for whoever cleans up Fifa. Greater even than bringing peace to the Middle East.
I'll do it.
I hate football with a passion, but at least I won't damage it as much as this lot has.
I'll start with a wage cap, make the teams have names like the Manchester Terriers, allow them to handle the ball, alter the shape of the goalposts, and make it a contact sport. Perhaps altering the number of people in a team to thirteen or fifteen. Oh, and the shape of the ball will have to change, too.
I'm like that with F1, let them fill their own cars up, change their own tires...
So Blatter resigns, and will call an extraordinary congress to elect his successor. Wasn't there one of those a couple of days ago??
I wonder what honest, uncorruptable and upstanding gentlemen will stand this time?
Hell of a legacy for whoever cleans up Fifa. Greater even than bringing peace to the Middle East.
I'll do it.
I hate football with a passion, but at least I won't damage it as much as this lot has.
I'll start with a wage cap, make the teams have names like the Manchester Terriers, allow them to handle the ball, alter the shape of the goalposts, and make it a contact sport. Perhaps altering the number of people in a team to thirteen or fifteen. Oh, and the shape of the ball will have to change, too.
You need to introduce 'pundit's call', where the game is stopped for 30 minutes while 2 well quaffed ex footballers argue about some esoteric point in a TV studio 150 miles away.
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Micro is small macro is big.
(I.e. Micro is small evolution changes, beaks getting longer etc. Macro is about big changes, growing wings and things).
“Now that people are going to want to save themselves, there’s probably a race to see who will flip on [Blatter] first,” one source said, explaining how the feds typically try to get people to inform on their superiors.
From the Telegraph coverage. Blatter on borrowed time it seems.
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Micro is small macro is big.
(I.e. Micro is small evolution changes, beaks getting longer etc. Macro is about big changes, growing wings and things).
You bit my troll bait!
Moreover, don't fall for that. Micro/macro evolution, irreducible complexity, absence of transitional forms and all the rest of it are window dressing for "intelligent design" which is a pseudo scientific trojan horse for creationism. Fly paper for cranks like FF. I'd have more respect for a paid operative in a St Petersburg troll factory. At least they need the money.
O/T - I found this maiden speech by Johnny Mercer very moving. Particularly on a day like this, when a man's demons may have tragically consumed one of our most pre-eminent national politicians.
If I were a resident of Plymouth Moorview, I would be extraordinarily proud to have Johnny as my MP:
“Now that people are going to want to save themselves, there’s probably a race to see who will flip on [Blatter] first,” one source said, explaining how the feds typically try to get people to inform on their superiors.
From the Telegraph coverage. Blatter on borrowed time it seems.
Things like this always lead on to other things more unexpected. Do people think its only going to stop at money?
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Is there such a thing as macro evolution? I guess after an extinction event something like that may occur, but on the whole evolution is a very slow process and would be considered "micro".
O/T - I found this maiden speech by Johnny Mercer very moving. Particularly on a day like this, when a man's demons may have tragically consumed one of our most pre-eminent national politicians.
If I were a resident of Plymouth Moorview, I would be extraordinarily proud to have Johnny as my MP:
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Is there such a thing as macro evolution? I guess after an extinction event something like that may occur, but on the whole evolution is a very slow process and would be considered "micro".
Max, see my reply to corporeal below. As soon as you hear someone draw that distinction you know you are dealing with a creationist crank.
More seriously tho... I find it irksome that those who were only too keen to pour scorn on Kennedy for being a drunk are now praising him to the hilt but the thing that irks me the most is that every tradition in the UK is in danger of being traduced.. First it was gay "marriage" when there is no such thing as "marriage" between two men or two women, whatever they might like to call it "legally". now they want to get approval to call God "She",
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Is there such a thing as macro evolution? I guess after an extinction event something like that may occur, but on the whole evolution is a very slow process and would be considered "micro".
I would run with that. Isn't the point about evolution that it is about how mutations adapt better and so replace those that do not... over countless generations? All right I know its got to be more complicated than that.
So Blatter resigns, and will call an extraordinary congress to elect his successor. Wasn't there one of those a couple of days ago??
I wonder what honest, uncorruptable and upstanding gentlemen will stand this time?
Hell of a legacy for whoever cleans up Fifa. Greater even than bringing peace to the Middle East.
I'll do it.
I hate football with a passion, but at least I won't damage it as much as this lot has.
I'll start with a wage cap, make the teams have names like the Manchester Terriers, allow them to handle the ball, alter the shape of the goalposts, and make it a contact sport. Perhaps altering the number of people in a team to thirteen or fifteen. Oh, and the shape of the ball will have to change, too.
You need to introduce 'pundit's call', where the game is stopped for 30 minutes while 2 well quaffed ex footballers argue about some esoteric point in a TV studio 150 miles away.
The sport's so tarnished that it'll need a name change as well. What it needs is the respectability that only comes from England, and the excellence that can only be garnered from the public school system. Therefore naming it after a famous English public school would seem about right. Somewhere in the Midlands, perhaps, to signify that football is at the centre of the world. It'll be good if it was near some large transmitters as well, to show that the sport's reach is truly global.
And it's such a grand sport it'll need two names. Perhaps the second should signify the united nature of the game, that all the teams are part of one grand collective. Or perhaps that it is a collection of clubs playing in groups at roughly the same skill level, with tiers between the groups. In the latter case some connection with a Jules Verne classic would be good, because... well, just because he was excellent.
I don't think if Creagh had enough backers she'd wait this late (I know OGH took long odds but I think it's wasted money). Indeed I think Kendall would want to keep herself in this too.
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. The American Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. I don't see how the US will have much impact beyond CONCACAF.
I expect Blatter is quitting while he is ahead.
Wire fraud if the money passed through a US linked bank (many payments are cleared in NY)
Don't forget the "NatWest 3" allegedly defrauded a UK bank from their office in London but were still extradited to the US on the basis that one meeting had occurred there.
Standard Chartered and Iran etc. Minimise your risk.
Risk of looking like a complete idiot?
I am afraid you are too late for that.
I'll leave that to others to judge.
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
Micro is small macro is big.
(I.e. Micro is small evolution changes, beaks getting longer etc. Macro is about big changes, growing wings and things).
You bit my troll bait!
Moreover, don't fall for that. Micro/macro evolution, irreducible complexity, absence of transitional forms and all the rest of it are window dressing for "intelligent design" which is a pseudo scientific trojan horse for creationism. Fly paper for cranks like FF. I'd have more respect for a paid operative in a St Petersburg troll factory. At least they need the money.
I don't think if Creagh had enough backers she'd wait this late (I know OGH took long odds but I think it's wasted money). Indeed I think Kendall would want to keep herself in this too.
Suppose of all the outstanding MPs none of them wanted the remaining 3? Don't all they have to do is sit on their hands.They may not like Burnham of course but do they have to nominate anyone? They may not be able to agree about anyone or anything else between them.
*Tongue-in-cheek mode on* I'm not so bothered about the actual question, but we do need to be aware that if Scotland votes differently to the rest of the UK, then Scotland may well feel that they have no alternative but to call another referendum on independence (which I am pretty sure the YES-side will win this time)
Therefore, I think that Scotland should vote separately first, Then the rest of the UK can vote taking the Scotland vote into account. *Tongue-in-cheek mode off*
Let's hope that it becomes clear during the campaign, especially to those outside Scotland, that a vote for OUT of the EU is also, in all likelihood, a vote for Scotland to secede.
I don't think if Creagh had enough backers she'd wait this late (I know OGH took long odds but I think it's wasted money). Indeed I think Kendall would want to keep herself in this too.
Suppose of all the outstanding MPs none of them wanted the remaining 3? Don't all they have to do is sit on their hands.They may not like Burnham of course but do they have to nominate anyone? They may not be able to agree about anyone or anything else between them.
I don't think there's anything that says they have to nominate anyone. Someone might be able to correct me, but I doubt it.
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
England could host the World Cup at literally a moment's notice for a summer tournament - the infrastructure, stadia and transport are all there already. The only outstanding problems would be other booking for concerts etc and the ground staff being happy with the pitches. Oh, and the sponsors, but who gives a flying fcuk about them any more.
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
England could host the World Cup at literally a moment's notice for a summer tournament - the infrastructure, stadia and transport are all there already. The only outstanding problems would be other booking for concerts etc and the ground staff being happy with the pitches. Oh, and the sponsors, but who gives a flying fcuk about them any more.
Salt Lake still got to hold the Winter Olympics, I don't see why an exception would be made for Qatar. Besides it won't be changed and it is ignorant believe it will be.
O/T - I found this maiden speech by Johnny Mercer very moving. Particularly on a day like this, when a man's demons may have tragically consumed one of our most pre-eminent national politicians.
If I were a resident of Plymouth Moorview, I would be extraordinarily proud to have Johnny as my MP:
I have had an ex-military patient who was very difficult to manage, unable to sit still, explosive outbursts etc. A loving family was doing the best to cope, but he seemed to be getting very little support for his fairly obvious post traumatic stress disorder.
*Tongue-in-cheek mode on* I'm not so bothered about the actual question, but we do need to be aware that if Scotland votes differently to the rest of the UK, then Scotland may well feel that they have no alternative but to call another referendum on independence (which I am pretty sure the YES-side will win this time)
Therefore, I think that Scotland should vote separately first, Then the rest of the UK can vote taking the Scotland vote into account. *Tongue-in-cheek mode off*
Let's hope that it becomes clear during the campaign, especially to those outside Scotland, that a vote for OUT of the EU is also, in all likelihood, a vote for Scotland to secede.
Double Win!
The SNP antagonists will be on to this one very quickly. The UNITED KINGDOM will vote on a motion in a referendum. The decision of the UNITED KINGDOM will be taken forward, as a UNITED KINGDOM. If Scotland wishes to secede again then the UNITED KINGDOM will have to agree to yet another Scottish referendum - or not, as the case may be.
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
England could host the World Cup at literally a moment's notice for a summer tournament - the infrastructure, stadia and transport are all there already. The only outstanding problems would be other booking for concerts etc and the ground staff being happy with the pitches. Oh, and the sponsors, but who gives a flying fcuk about them any more.
Salt Lake still got to hold the Winter Olympics, I don't see why an exception would be made for Qatar. Besides it won't be changed and it is ignorant believe it will be.
You are on a charm offensive this evening, aren't you?
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
England could host the World Cup at literally a moment's notice for a summer tournament - the infrastructure, stadia and transport are all there already. The only outstanding problems would be other booking for concerts etc and the ground staff being happy with the pitches. Oh, and the sponsors, but who gives a flying fcuk about them any more.
Salt Lake still got to hold the Winter Olympics, I don't see why an exception would be made for Qatar. Besides it won't be changed and it is ignorant believe it will be.
You are on a charm offensive this evening, aren't you?
The 2022 World Cup will not take place in Qatar.
I am not sure that Russia will either. Pity, I was hoping for a Russia road trip.
It's hard to believe that it was just 26 days ago that Ed Miliband was thought of as a suitable person to be leader of the Labour Party.
who by?
even the pb reds knew it - look back it was of course the eternal meme of "eicipm" but it all was built on on the polls, electoral maths, split right & red liberals and of course the superior ground game.
It is astonishing to think how the political world looks now compared to this time last month as we awaited the promised horse-trading of another coalition.
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
England could host the World Cup at literally a moment's notice for a summer tournament - the infrastructure, stadia and transport are all there already. The only outstanding problems would be other booking for concerts etc and the ground staff being happy with the pitches. Oh, and the sponsors, but who gives a flying fcuk about them any more.
Salt Lake still got to hold the Winter Olympics, I don't see why an exception would be made for Qatar. Besides it won't be changed and it is ignorant believe it will be.
Think you will find that you are the ignorant one.
Besides, what does a caring person like you make of the human rights abuse out there?
It's hard to believe that it was just 26 days ago that Ed Miliband was thought of as a suitable person to be leader of the Labour Party.
who by?
even the pb reds knew it - look back it was of course the eternal meme of "eicipm" but it all was built on on the polls, electoral maths, split right & red liberals and of course the superior ground game.
It is astonishing to think how the political world looks now compared to this time last month as we awaited the promised horse-trading of another coalition.
I accidentally clicked on a thread on the day before election day.
The hubris from one or two Lab supporters about their ground game.
I think Qatar might still host the 2022 world cup.
Think about it, 133 out of 200 odd people voted for Sepp Blatter last week, Platini also voted Qatar and well, the two early faves to replace Sepp are from Kuwait and Bahrain.
Can't see Russia being changed but Qatar will be, my money would be on England
The FIFA voting system won't be changed which makes it unlikely the host will be changed and if it were it certainly won't be to us, political and it won't be in Europe.
It's hard to believe that it was just 26 days ago that Ed Miliband was thought of as a suitable person to be leader of the Labour Party.
who by?
even the pb reds knew it - look back it was of course the eternal meme of "eicipm" but it all was built on on the polls, electoral maths, split right & red liberals and of course the superior ground game.
It is astonishing to think how the political world looks now compared to this time last month as we awaited the promised horse-trading of another coalition.
I accidentally clicked on a thread on the day before election day.
The hubris from one or two Lab supporters about their ground game.
"accidentally"
I fear I might have the same happen soon too... one thread especially is the sion simon of pb threads I recall.
*Tongue-in-cheek mode on* I'm not so bothered about the actual question, but we do need to be aware that if Scotland votes differently to the rest of the UK, then Scotland may well feel that they have no alternative but to call another referendum on independence (which I am pretty sure the YES-side will win this time)
Therefore, I think that Scotland should vote separately first, Then the rest of the UK can vote taking the Scotland vote into account. *Tongue-in-cheek mode off*
Let's hope that it becomes clear during the campaign, especially to those outside Scotland, that a vote for OUT of the EU is also, in all likelihood, a vote for Scotland to secede.
Double Win!
The SNP antagonists will be on to this one very quickly. The UNITED KINGDOM will vote on a motion in a referendum. The decision of the UNITED KINGDOM will be taken forward, as a UNITED KINGDOM. If Scotland wishes to secede again then the UNITED KINGDOM will have to agree to yet another Scottish referendum - or not, as the case may be.
Agree with all of that. I'm just getting completely over-excited at the prospect of two good results for the price of one.
Can't see Russia being changed but Qatar will be, my money would be on England
The FIFA voting system won't be changed which makes it unlikely the host will be changed and if it were it certainly won't be to us, political and it won't be in Europe.
The FIFA voting system is corrupt and the bidding process will be proved to be fixed, it will definitely be changed.
This whole scandal was first brought to public knowledge by the Sunday Times, FIFA will do anything to keep EUFA and the South American powerhouses on board.
One thing is for sure, it won't be played on whatever planet you are from.
It's hard to believe that it was just 26 days ago that Ed Miliband was thought of as a suitable person to be leader of the Labour Party.
who by?
even the pb reds knew it - look back it was of course the eternal meme of "eicipm" but it all was built on on the polls, electoral maths, split right & red liberals and of course the superior ground game.
It is astonishing to think how the political world looks now compared to this time last month as we awaited the promised horse-trading of another coalition.
I accidentally clicked on a thread on the day before election day.
The hubris from one or two Lab supporters about their ground game.
"accidentally"
I fear I might have the same happen soon too... one thread especially is the sion simon of pb threads I recall.
Now that Blatter has gone, does this mean that those who are campaigning against the Qatar world cup have a realistic chance of forcing a re-vote on where to hold the World Cup in 2022?
One possible scenario is that if it is proven that bribes swung the vote for Russia in 2018 against England, it could be decided that it's too late to switch the World Cup in 2018, but it's only fair that England get their turn in 2022. It would be unfortunate/convenient if this meant that Qatar has to be cancelled.
England could host the World Cup at literally a moment's notice for a summer tournament - the infrastructure, stadia and transport are all there already. The only outstanding problems would be other booking for concerts etc and the ground staff being happy with the pitches. Oh, and the sponsors, but who gives a flying fcuk about them any more.
Salt Lake still got to hold the Winter Olympics, I don't see why an exception would be made for Qatar. Besides it won't be changed and it is ignorant believe it will be.
Think you will find that you are the ignorant one.
Besides, what does a caring person like you make of the human rights abuse out there?
A hotbed of religious fundamentalism, a secondary role for women including practising polygamy, a barren desert reliant on exploiting the natural resources under the ground with often unsafe working conditions.
Utah really is an unsuitable place for an international sporting event.
I expect Dan Hodges to be largely vindicated. OK, UKIP aren't going to poll as low as 6% and the Tories probably aren't going to get a majority, but I think his essential thesis will stand up - a UKIP squeeze, a late break to the Tories (which the phone polls arguably already have) and Cameron in the 300-310s with Labour lower than last time.
If so, he'll deserve all the kudos he will get [and no doubt the fulsome admissions of misjudgment on here!]. Many of his fellow travellers have wavered and fallen away in the last month!
*Tongue-in-cheek mode on* I'm not so bothered about the actual question, but we do need to be aware that if Scotland votes differently to the rest of the UK, then Scotland may well feel that they have no alternative but to call another referendum on independence (which I am pretty sure the YES-side will win this time)
Therefore, I think that Scotland should vote separately first, Then the rest of the UK can vote taking the Scotland vote into account. *Tongue-in-cheek mode off*
Let's hope that it becomes clear during the campaign, especially to those outside Scotland, that a vote for OUT of the EU is also, in all likelihood, a vote for Scotland to secede.
Double Win!
The SNP antagonists will be on to this one very quickly. The UNITED KINGDOM will vote on a motion in a referendum. The decision of the UNITED KINGDOM will be taken forward, as a UNITED KINGDOM. If Scotland wishes to secede again then the UNITED KINGDOM will have to agree to yet another Scottish referendum - or not, as the case may be.
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Wednesday FIFA whistle blower Chuck Blazer’s full transcript is due to be released and Collins believes there will be further revelations which could explain’s Blatter’s decision to stand down.
And a lot of other countries are going in after them.
The Swiss banking model has changed from "you can keep it safe and hidden here" to "we can manage it well for you here". To be honest, that change has been happening for a while. FIFA and others have not noticed that the wind has changed - or thought that their wealth and importance would protect them. But, frankly, you can only take the proverbial for so long.
Being seen as a comparatively clean country is a commercial advantage. And the US has always had a history of going after those who get too big for their boots.
How big an organisation anywhere in the world doesn't have the Chief Exec aware of $10m in or out of the books?
If these allegations from FBI are true, people have been skimming $100's million off the top, and Blatter knew nothing about those either.
Why did anyone think that the US wouldn't take alleged bribery and corruption involving America seriously?
Only those who are too blind to see, too stupid to understand or too hubristic to think that they could be caught.
The point when the U.S. Gets serious about the revolving door between politics and business in the U.S. is the date when I conclude that they are looking at corruption in all its forms and not just for electoral advantage.
Perhaps people thought that only bankers would be targets......
What was the name of the stupid private bank that picked up a lot of clients that UBS told to get lost once they wised up to the fact the fed were serious? Really good way to destroy a long established banking house.
Yank, yank.
I hate football with a passion, but at least I won't damage it as much as this lot has.
I'll start with a wage cap, make the teams have names like the Manchester Terriers, allow them to handle the ball, alter the shape of the goalposts, and make it a contact sport. Perhaps altering the number of people in a team to thirteen or fifteen. Oh, and the shape of the ball will have to change, too.
Have either of them been in the news? If so, I missed it.
6 on going by the end of 2015 looks good too!
I need to head off to help my ten year old with his science homework. Biology and evolution tonight. Any chance of a steer about "macro" and "micro" evolution? My science teachers seem to have left this out.
(I.e. Micro is small evolution changes, beaks getting longer etc. Macro is about big changes, growing wings and things).
Moreover, don't fall for that. Micro/macro evolution, irreducible complexity, absence of transitional forms and all the rest of it are window dressing for "intelligent design" which is a pseudo scientific trojan horse for creationism. Fly paper for cranks like FF. I'd have more respect for a paid operative in a St Petersburg troll factory. At least they need the money.
Soon as she gets the 35 there may well be crossover...
Things like this always lead on to other things more unexpected. Do people think its only going to stop at money?
We need more like that (and Charlie Kennedy, RIP) in Parliament.
More seriously tho...
I find it irksome that those who were only too keen to pour scorn on Kennedy for being a drunk are now praising him to the hilt but the thing that irks me the most is that every tradition in the UK is in danger of being traduced.. First it was gay "marriage" when there is no such thing as "marriage" between two men or two women, whatever they might like to call it "legally".
now they want to get approval to call God "She",
Is there anything that is sacrosanct >>??
You should have taken the plaudits Pulpstar
And it's such a grand sport it'll need two names. Perhaps the second should signify the united nature of the game, that all the teams are part of one grand collective. Or perhaps that it is a collection of clubs playing in groups at roughly the same skill level, with tiers between the groups. In the latter case some connection with a Jules Verne classic would be good, because... well, just because he was excellent.
Anybody got any suggestions as for names?
Cooper 31
Kendall 22
Creagh 6
A total of 110 out of 232 IIRC Labour MPs.
I don't think if Creagh had enough backers she'd wait this late (I know OGH took long odds but I think it's wasted money). Indeed I think Kendall would want to keep herself in this too.
I have had an ex-military patient who was very difficult to manage, unable to sit still, explosive outbursts etc. A loving family was doing the best to cope, but he seemed to be getting very little support for his fairly obvious post traumatic stress disorder.
If Scotland wishes to secede again then the UNITED KINGDOM will have to agree to yet another Scottish referendum - or not, as the case may be.
Here you can find direct links to them (the day after)
https://twitter.com/2015maidens
Jowell (35) Khan (26) Lammy (8) above the 5 threshold;
Abbott (4) Wolmar (3) Thomas (1) The other nominations.
Edit: Wolmar reports Khan got the Sutton and Cheam 2nd nomination.
The 2022 World Cup will not take place in Qatar.
Qatar is a dead duck now.
Bloody Sepp Blatter
even the pb reds knew it - look back it was of course the eternal meme of "eicipm" but it all was built on on the polls, electoral maths, split right & red liberals and of course the superior ground game.
It is astonishing to think how the political world looks now compared to this time last month as we awaited the promised horse-trading of another coalition.
Besides, what does a caring person like you make of the human rights abuse out there?
The hubris from one or two Lab supporters about their ground game.
Zac Goldsmith now evens favourite with Ladbrokes to become CON candidate for London Mayor
Do they know something we don't?!
Think about it, 133 out of 200 odd people voted for Sepp Blatter last week, Platini also voted Qatar and well, the two early faves to replace Sepp are from Kuwait and Bahrain.
I'm sure I am not alone in being very disappointed at this failure on your part.
I fear I might have the same happen soon too... one thread especially is the sion simon of pb threads I recall.
I'm just getting completely over-excited at the prospect of two good results for the price of one.
This whole scandal was first brought to public knowledge by the Sunday Times, FIFA will do anything to keep EUFA and the South American powerhouses on board.
One thing is for sure, it won't be played on whatever planet you are from.
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/658746/#Comment_658746
One thousand six hundred ...... in one seat
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/658627/#Comment_658627
All about the ground game now.
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/658566/#Comment_658566
all polls now looking at Ed being PM.
WELL DONE CROSBY - should have stuck to the economy.
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/656177/#Comment_656177
Just short of 50 Lab gains from Con and cherio Dave.
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/655927/#Comment_655927
Utah really is an unsuitable place for an international sporting event.
I expect Dan Hodges to be largely vindicated. OK, UKIP aren't going to poll as low as 6% and the Tories probably aren't going to get a majority, but I think his essential thesis will stand up - a UKIP squeeze, a late break to the Tories (which the phone polls arguably already have) and Cameron in the 300-310s with Labour lower than last time.
If so, he'll deserve all the kudos he will get [and no doubt the fulsome admissions of misjudgment on here!]. Many of his fellow travellers have wavered and fallen away in the last month!
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