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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    I've found my 2011 bet on yvette!! 100 at 5-1... Hmm, who do I need to hedge, obv not Burnham as it surely can't be him.
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    HYUFD said:

    MikeL By 2005 though Blair was losing seats to his left to the LDs and Respect, post EU ref there is a danger a narrow In vote would leave Tory seats open to a SNP style post-referendum UKIP surge

    I do not really see the comparison. Scotland is still safe in the UK even with all its SNP MPs. What increased power or influence in the EU could UKIP offer to match the logic of the SNP surge and their pledge to make labour jump to their tune?
    Despite what UKIP or anybody says - the UK is already independent; voting UKIP is not going to offer much.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    Interesting that in the first round Abbott beat Burnham (and Balls) in the affiliate vote, and wasn't far behind with the party members.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Just done a calculation based on the Tory fall in 9 of the 11 Scottish Lib Dem seats before the election (excluding Aberdeenshire W & Kincardine and Berwickshire where the Tories were in contention to win):

    Seat / Fall in Tory vote / Turnout / Tories voting tactically for Lib Dems (rounded)

    Argyll -9.12% / 5u1,883 / 4,732
    Caithness -6.21% / 34,186 / 2,123
    Dunbarton E -6.88% / 54,871 / 3,775
    Edinburgh W -10.91% / 54,858 / 5,985
    Fife NE -5.46% / 45,263 / 2,471
    Gordon -6.98% / 58,161 / 4,060
    Inverness -7.41% / 57,613 / 4,269
    Ross& Skye -6.01% / 41,811 / 2,513
    Orkney & Shetland -1.59% / 22,728 / 361

    On this 'rough' method I make the Tory tactical vote for the Lib Dems 30,289. Adding this to the Scottish Tory vote of 434,097 gives 464,386. Total turnout of 2,911,465 then gives a vote share of 15.95% without the 'arguable' Lib Dem tactical vote. This makes a vote share of 15.95% which is still 0.75% down on what the Tories achieved in Scotland in 2010.

    Arguably a few Tories voted Labour tactically to try to stop the SNP, but that was a bit part compared to what happened in the 9 former Lib Dem seats above - I still think their vote was marginally down on what they got in 2010 when allowing for the tactical voting.

    Any thoughts?!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,618
    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Labour can still say they had 15 seats with higher voting % than the Tories best seat in Hampshire NE. Also the absolute majorities in Knowsley and East Ham were higher than Hampshire NE closely followed by Maidenhead. If James Arbuthnot had stood again in Hampshire NE then arguably his personal vote would have seen the majority over 30,000!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlastairRoss: Big row over who sits where, frayed tempers and he said/she said claims abound - but tomorrow's another day for all P1 teachers #seatgate
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,217
    FlightPathL The comparison is that Scottish Labour voters who voted Yes in the referendum moved to the 'Yes' party the SNP, there is a danger for the Tories some Tory voters who vote Out in a narrowly defeated EU Out campaign move to UKIP, the 'Out' party
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GdnPolitics: Cameron to publish EU referendum bill one day after Queen's speech http://t.co/00Hhim2gt3
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Great work as always Andy JS - I see Cameron is an unlucky 13th on the list of Tories in terms of vote % in Witney!
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Labour can still say they had 15 seats with higher voting % than the Tories best seat in Hampshire NE. Also the absolute majorities in Knowsley and East Ham were higher than Hampshire NE closely followed by Maidenhead. If James Arbuthnot had stood again in Hampshire NE then arguably his personal vote would have seen the majority over 30,000!
    Do you have any previous elections in this format?
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    One of the hardest working constituency MP's by all accounts is Geoffrey Cox of Devon W & Torridge. To think that he only marginally gained that from the Lib Dems back in 2005, and now is 57th in terms of highest Tory vote share at 56.6% - OK he's been massively aided by the enormous Lib Dem collapse, but even so that is quite some going.

    Very interesting comments on Gower and Vale of Clywd earlier today - thanks to all PB'ers who contributed to that with their local knowledge!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,190
    welshowl said:

    Parties lose elections, fair enough, but I'm struggling to remember another instance where quite so much clear water has been put between many of the leadership candidates and what they'd signed up to only ten days ago. As for Ed, he's quickly getting airbrushed pseudo Soviet style. I have not heard anyone (someone will probably put me right) within Labour who's had a good word to say since mid morning on May 8th.

    Mirrors my experience on the doorstep in the months up to May 8th.

    I literally did not find one voter with anything good to say about Ed.

    Not one.

    He truly was the Kevin Phillips Bong of 2015.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    The fact that there aren't 35 Labour MPs prepared to go for Kendall is perhaps worrying in itself

    Is that a fact?

    https://twitter.com/tobyperkinsmp/status/600311821556383744
    I'm assuming it's a fact at present. But I'm also assuming she'll make the ballot paper in the end, because Hunt & Creagh will have the same issue, only more so.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Have you held a street party to welcome Mr Streeting yet in Ilford N Sunil?!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Great first day back at school in the Commons today. Loved Mhairi's comment - 'there were no signs to say we couldn't sit there'!!! If that's the fun and games we're in for over the next 5 years then I say bring it on. Can't wait for the first Foreign Affairs debate to see Salmond and the roaring lions of the SNP let rip into Hammond - it'll be a hoot!
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    Willie Whitelaw?

    To be fair, though, we shouldn't get distracted by the continual games of ministerial musical chairs under Blair. His governments were uniquely dysfunctional in terms of the short half-life of ministers. Many Home Secs prior to Blair lasted at least three or four years.

    The length of the Secretary of State for the Home Department's tenure is not necessarily indicative of success. In that respect among others, the analogy between Mrs May and the late Sir William Joynson-Hicks grows stronger by the day.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    I make it 316 constituencies where the winning MP won over 50% of the vote in 2015 from Andy JS's wonderful spreadsheet - I should think that was significantly up in terms of the number of seats compared with 2010, although it still wasn't half of all the constituencies.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,618
    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Have you held a street party to welcome Mr Streeting yet in Ilford N Sunil?!
    Streeting Party? :lol:
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Just starting to get a bit more volatility on the financial markets again - it looks like the US Dollar has gone through the 1st leg of the larger correction that I warned needed to happen - we should see some broad $ strength re-emerging again before we have to go through a 2nd corrective leg, before $ strength really emerges at the end of this year all the way into late 2017.

    Ructions in the bond market too - there has been a noticeable sell off in the long end of the market (10+ year terms) with the capital flowing into the short end of the bond market - was 20th April 2015 the day when the longer term debt put in a historic bottom - with the short end (terms broadly under 10 years) to follow at the end of September this year as I expect. At the 1981 high in bond yields, the difference was weeks rather than months if I'm right, although I suspect yields on the long end will be close to the 20th April levels at the end of September, even if they don't form a slight new high.

    Looking for a correction in stocks (Dow back to around 16,300 area which would be around a 10% correction) and then it'll be time to be long US stocks as all the capital flees into private assets once we get past the great turn at the end of September this year, and all hell breaks loose in the sovereign debt market.

    Fascinating times ahead! Good night all.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Have you held a street party to welcome Mr Streeting yet in Ilford N Sunil?!
    Streeting Party? :lol:
    LOL. As good as Ave It Tory gain Bootle!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    corporeal said:

    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Labour can still say they had 15 seats with higher voting % than the Tories best seat in Hampshire NE. Also the absolute majorities in Knowsley and East Ham were higher than Hampshire NE closely followed by Maidenhead. If James Arbuthnot had stood again in Hampshire NE then arguably his personal vote would have seen the majority over 30,000!
    Do you have any previous elections in this format?
    Hope you're asking Andy JS and not me - I certainly don't!
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    Scott_P said:

    @GdnPolitics: Cameron to publish EU referendum bill one day after Queen's speech http://t.co/00Hhim2gt3

    The Bill may not tell us that much. The Electoral Commission will come under a statutory duty to consult about the question proposed in the Bill, and the Government will probably accept any recommendations the Commission makes for a change. The Bill need not even contain the date of the poll to comply with the Conservatives' manifesto commitment. It could simply provide that the referendum is to occur by 21 December 2017, or on such earlier date as may be appointed by the Secretary of State by Order. The key provisions of importance will be those regulating the franchise and campaign finance, but the government could ask Parliament to allow it to make detailed provision in those areas by secondary legislation, albeit there would be a risk of challenge to such legislation in courts. As this referendum is likely to be consultative, there will be no need to make provision about what will happen after the result, unlike the 1979 Scotland & Wales referenda and the 2011 AV referendum.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    hunchman said:

    I make it 316 constituencies where the winning MP won over 50% of the vote in 2015 from Andy JS's wonderful spreadsheet - I should think that was significantly up in terms of the number of seats compared with 2010, although it still wasn't half of all the constituencies.

    The destruction of the Lib Dems has made both parties' safe seats safer.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    If you need a job, here is a cutting edge opportunity with the chance to execute your objectives and create a diverse body of work..

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/18/saudi-arabia-advertises-eight-new-executioners-beheadings-soar
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015
    corporeal said:

    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Labour can still say they had 15 seats with higher voting % than the Tories best seat in Hampshire NE. Also the absolute majorities in Knowsley and East Ham were higher than Hampshire NE closely followed by Maidenhead. If James Arbuthnot had stood again in Hampshire NE then arguably his personal vote would have seen the majority over 30,000!
    Do you have any previous elections in this format?
    I did the same thing for 2010 but with separate spreadsheets rather than on one spreadsheet with sheets, and (annoyingly) they were ranked from lowest to highest for Con, Lab, LD although not for UKIP, Greens:

    Con:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mx-m6jU9pfe2O8aXmuqDfgzZaLfpYoQTAtfAECBq-ck/edit#gid=0
    UKIP:
    Lab:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Wgv-d92qxxBiMvSdimZMmngYTG2KEVHq1ZGD5bwyt4/edit#gid=0
    LD:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1871yVugSIzsVi5vVuVALZRM04kZyTeIoj8zGATbWsxY/edit?usp=sheets_web
    UKIP:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nkhnemIsp8xN3ln0aZWefDmo6GsZoQBjM_IVoOWHst8/edit#gid=0
    Greens:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6K9EfRuZ4AVVHPyXu2rgfhOwd7I-f1xWmj7-YMxrRA/edit#gid=0
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    hunchman said:

    One of the hardest working constituency MP's by all accounts is Geoffrey Cox of Devon W & Torridge. To think that he only marginally gained that from the Lib Dems back in 2005, and now is 57th in terms of highest Tory vote share at 56.6% - OK he's been massively aided by the enormous Lib Dem collapse, but even so that is quite some going.

    Very interesting comments on Gower and Vale of Clywd earlier today - thanks to all PB'ers who contributed to that with their local knowledge!

    Do you mean Devon West & Torridge? That's no. 157. Devon SW is no. 57.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    What did everyone think of the Mad Men finale?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Tim_B said:

    If you need a job, here is a cutting edge opportunity with the chance to execute your objectives and create a diverse body of work..

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/18/saudi-arabia-advertises-eight-new-executioners-beheadings-soar

    The Guardian doesn't have a link to the application form. Bloody lefties.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Pleased you like it, I sometimes think I might be getting on people's nerves by posting too much information, which may already be available elsewhere, I'm not sure.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    GeoffM said:

    Tim_B said:

    If you need a job, here is a cutting edge opportunity with the chance to execute your objectives and create a diverse body of work..

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/18/saudi-arabia-advertises-eight-new-executioners-beheadings-soar

    The Guardian doesn't have a link to the application form. Bloody lefties.
    Maybe it's - ahem - an austerity cut. Apparently the recruitment video features on the soundtrack Rod Stewart singing 'The First Cut is the Deepest".
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Walsall North MP David Winnick had strong words (to put it mildly) for the Tory candidate and campaign in his acceptance speech.

    By far the longest speech was given by the TUSC candidate Pete Smith, who came fifth with 545 votes. I'm amazed the returning officer allowed him to go on for so long...

    Declaration at 9:54:30

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=otYmStYPlDc
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Pleased you like it, I sometimes think I might be getting on people's nerves by posting too much information, which may already be available elsewhere, I'm not sure.
    Nope! It's great stuff, so don't stop! :D
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    That is a quality spreadsheet. Thanks @AndyJS
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Just completed my general election results spreadsheet. I know others are already available but since I'd already started doing this one I decided to finish the job. Includes result for all 3,971 candidates:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dEU5dHJHUE9hWHZzS2ZaR0V0a080T0E&usp=sheets_web#gid=0

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    Fantastic stuff, Andy.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    I don't see the information you post anywhere else. That's why I like your stuff so much.
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Pleased you like it, I sometimes think I might be getting on people's nerves by posting too much information, which may already be available elsewhere, I'm not sure.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015

    I don't see the information you post anywhere else. That's why I like your stuff so much.

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Ranked share of the vote for Con, Lab, LD, UKIP, Greens, SNP, PC. (Click on sheets at the bottom to toggle between them):

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/159YuDClzywqEGU1wAmBQrlq-YSngarQNNrMWdZVyyLk/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic work, Andy, much appreciated!
    Pleased you like it, I sometimes think I might be getting on people's nerves by posting too much information, which may already be available elsewhere, I'm not sure.
    Thanks old_labour. And also to Lucian.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited May 2015
    Liz Kendall is the David Cameron of the Labour Party - Discuss.
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