The Mirror will back Labour, they aren't going to back the Tories or the LDs.
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
Another interesting day on the streets. Unless Labour are just tele-canvassing, then they are nowhere in SW London. The reds are spreading the word that their vote is not standing up. I don't know what that means but all the data I have got, the swing will be less than 1% Con to Lab.
CCHQ are more gung ho and are on the attack rather than defence. I hope it is good judgement, I am sure it will be. Still on for 306 seats a la Jack W.
Ive been accused of ramping.., I've said the same thing. Constituency wide canvassing in several seats has shown no swing away from cons, like for like on 2010.... Cons on 37% of national vote.
Could Cameron admitting "defeat" like the reverse of Kinnocks victory rally?
Do you mean it has the opposite effect, making it more attractive to vote Tory. Or do you mean that although the message was the inverse, that the effect will be the same?
Sturgeon Tories will have no mandate to rule us - Telegraph Scotland.
Showing an incredible lack of understanding of the UK constitutional settlement
Yes but OTOH even as a Tory and a Unionist I still feel slightly uncomfortable with the determination to exclude the democratically elected representatives of Scotland from the governance of the United Kingdom no matter how idiotic we have been.
Yes - what she means is that it would not be sensible for the Tories to attempt wholesale changes in Scotland in light of the electoral result, but that is admittedly not as punchy as what she said.
The Mirror will back Labour, they aren't going to back the Tories or the LDs.
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
Given the Indy's minuscule circulation nobody will even notice what they have said, let alone change any minds.
Could Cameron admitting "defeat" like the reverse of Kinnocks victory rally?
Do you mean it has the opposite effect, making it more attractive to vote Tory. Or do you mean that although the message was the inverse, that the effect will be the same?
As long as Labour has its media wing fully operational in Langham Place (biggest online 'news' *cough* presence in the ******* world) one or two fewer dead tree outlets onside won't be much of a concern.
You know what? Enough. Call the bluff. If Nationalist Scots are so desperate to leave, let them leave. Who gives. Goodbye. Go away, you screeching weirdos.
So true. Literally the only person I have met who wanted them to remain in was someone from Scotland and he didn't even like Scotland hence why he was living in England.
I would love to see some England only polling on whether Scotland should be given the boot.
The Mirror will back Labour, they aren't going to back the Tories or the LDs.
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
A combo of non-dom owner and that f*cking Rentoul, Blair's arselicker !
I know the actual story is talking about Ed's warning about Tory cuts, but given I expect Ed to win, my first reaction was that was very silly of him to admit such a drastic plan of his upfront.
I don't really see how Labour are going to be able to govern as a minority in the first place. Cameron will have the first crack at government, and it'll be only once that fails that Labour will get a chance to rule as a minority in the first place. I can't see Miliband being able to do this without support from the parliamentary party also; this isn't a Labour leadership election. But really, Miliband isn't the brightest tool in the box.
And YG - this is why the election is still too close to call, although it is bank holiday polling.
The Mirror will back Labour, they aren't going to back the Tories or the LDs.
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
Given the Indy's minuscule circulation nobody will even notice what they have said, let alone change any minds.
It's a very long time since I even saw it on sale let alone anyone reading it. How the hell does it make money? Or is it just a vanity project for its owner?
You know what? Enough. Call the bluff. If Nationalist Scots are so desperate to leave, let them leave. Who gives. Goodbye. Go away, you screeching weirdos.
What if they vote against it again? Or are we not asking this time?
The Mirror will back Labour, they aren't going to back the Tories or the LDs.
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
Given the Indy's minuscule circulation nobody will even notice what they have said, let alone change any minds.
It's a very long time since I even saw it on sale let alone anyone reading it. How the hell does it make money? Or is it just a vanity project for its owner?
Vanity Project...I think the i does better, but still peeing money up the wall.
YouGov should be sacked after the election, by everyone, simply for being the most mind-numbingly, soul-destroyingly, hand-gnawingly boring pollster of the lot.
The Mirror will back Labour, they aren't going to back the Tories or the LDs.
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
Given the Indy's minuscule circulation nobody will even notice what they have said, let alone change any minds.
Yep, suspect The Sun and The Mirror will have the most influence, and even then it'll be limited - most in this country don't read newspapers.
Times piece: McCluskey says the SNP is 'progressive'. Hm. The Staggers says very much not the case. Oh, well. YPYMATYP. Either way, nice to see Ed looking so antsy.
I don't know why we even bother...we all know it what it will be (and if it isn't it will be back to that the next day).
Anyone care to explain why this is actually Con 9% ahead?
You see, the poll is understating Con by at least 3, that's just a given, and they'll have a combination late surge/shy Tories on the day of say another 3, stands to reason, and plenty of the Lab vote will stay at home as Ed has renewed his crapness credentials, so they'll be down 3. Boom, Tories +9
YouGov should be sacked after the election, by everyone, simply for being the most mind-numbingly, soul-destroyingly, hand-gnawingly boring pollster of the lot.
Goodnight.
A little harsh if they are correct. I'd recommend the electorate be sacked for being boring and not reacting to the campaigns at all.
YouGov should be sacked after the election, by everyone, simply for being the most mind-numbingly, soul-destroyingly, hand-gnawingly boring pollster of the lot.
Goodnight.
A little harsh if they are correct. I'd recommend the electorate be sacked for being boring and not reacting to the campaigns at all.
Campaign managers want sacking.
Tories, totally ineffective nonsense Labour, more nonsense, albeit probably more effective nonsense Lib Dems, what campaign
Result a boring election campaign, when the actual outcome is so nail bitingly close.
Actually, by polling day, there won't be any need for ANY nurses, because the Tories have a secret plan to kill anyone who turns up at a hospital feeling a bit poorly....
It is amazing how Ed has a direct line into plans SO secret that even the Tories have no knowledge of them!
It's almost like the Tories have set up an elephant sized trap for Labour which Labour are desperate to walk into
Very interesting article on the front of the Times. The post-election Labour civil war seems to have broken out before the election. What that article indicates is that the (admittedly much diminished) sane wing of the Labour Party understands the elephant-trap which the party has set for itself. (The Tories didn't set it up, in fact all they did was put a huge great sign by it saying 'Here is an elephant trap'.)
Dixie and Notme reporting great Tory surge vs an opinion poll, hmm, who to believe?
I actually don't think anything particular is happening, or will happen before Thursday, except that the remaining don't knows are trickling off the fence both ways in roughly equal numbers, leaving the tie virtually unchanged compared with a 7% Tory lead in 2010. There is some residual tactical voting and vote-swapping in marginals, but the main Lab/Con voting blocs are completely solid. Had a plaintive voter today say he's been canvassed by us three times in a few months as we try to make sure of our vote - "Why won't you take yes for an answer?"
FPT: A day today delivering a tonnage of leaflets, rather than direct voter contact. But I did get the first voter raising fears about gay marriage. Although it was not going to stop her changing her vote from LibDem last time to Tory this!
Met various other people switching the right way for us - either to Con from LibDem or from LibDem to Labour - both of which work for us Cons in Torbay! If that is indicative of any wider picture, then.....
Plus our phone calls checking on our postal vote pledges are showing they are absolutely rock solid in sending them back already. No slippage...
YouGov should be sacked after the election, by everyone, simply for being the most mind-numbingly, soul-destroyingly, hand-gnawingly boring pollster of the lot.
Dixie and Notme reporting great Tory surge vs an opinion poll, hmm, who to believe?
I actually don't think anything particular is happening, or will happen before Thursday, except that the remaining don't knows are trickling off the fence both ways in roughly equal numbers, leaving the tie virtually unchanged compared with a 7% Tory lead in 2010. There is some residual tactical voting and vote-swapping in marginals, but the main Lab/Con voting blocs are completely solid. Had a plaintive voter today say he's been canvassed by us three times in a few months as we try to make sure of our vote - "Why won't you take yes for an answer?"
I have predicted no such surge. It is as it was three months ago and six months ago.
YouGov should be sacked after the election, by everyone, simply for being the most mind-numbingly, soul-destroyingly, hand-gnawingly boring pollster of the lot.
Its only soul destroying if you don't like the result. Cherio Dave :-)
You shouldn't count your chickens. But, for the record, my predictions have been clear and transparent and repeatedly made on here: Tories most seats, not enough to govern.
But I do think the Tories are between 1-3% ahead in votes, and will be so on the day, and YouGov has not only failed to pick this up but has also not-picked-this-up in a shatteringly tedious and relentlessly dull way.
I hope these daily poll stop after the election. For good.
I don't know why we even bother...we all know it what it will be (and if it isn't it will be back to that the next day).
No sulking, we all know that the PB Tories were expecting a 2% lead tonight in which case YouGov would have been cheered to the rafters!
Seriously though it is going to be very interesting to see what the final phone polls say this week - if they still have 4%+ Tory leads they could be in for a good night, but if those polls narrow towards the online polls then it's going to be tight and we can probably conclude that the "Edstone" was not the tipping point/ "Sheffield Rally" moment that the majority on here have claimed it would be.
FPT: A day today delivering a tonnage of leaflets, rather than direct voter contact. But I did get the first voter raising fears about gay marriage. Although it was not going to stop her changing her vote from LibDem last time to Tory this!
Met various other people switching the right way for us - either to Con from LibDem or from LibDem to Labour - both of which work for us Cons in Torbay! If that is indicative of any wider picture, then.....
Plus our phone calls checking on our postal vote pledges are showing they are absolutely rock solid in sending them back already. No slippage...
A Tory bullish about their chances in Torbay. Anyone else feeling all nostalgic?
I don't know why we even bother...we all know it what it will be (and if it isn't it will be back to that the next day).
No sulking, we all know that the PB Tories were expecting a 2% lead tonight in which case YouGov would have been cheered to the rafters!
Seriously though it is going to be very interesting to see what the final phone polls say this week - if they still have 4%+ Tory leads they could be in for a good night, but if those polls narrow towards the online polls then it's going to be tight and we can probably conclude that the "Edstone" was not the tipping point/ "Sheffield Rally" moment that the majority on here have claimed it would be.
Why would I be sulking?
And I made no claims about tonights polls or any mention of Ed Stone being his Sheffield Rally moment.
Unless you have something either constructive or interesting to say, which would be a first, please stop. Tedious and disruptive. Thanks
That's to IOS. Apologies if not clear. Maybe Ed will be PM but the incessant hubris and ludicrous comments are juvenile at best and plain stupid and unpleasant at worst.
Leaving aside all other knowledge of this election, it is interesting from this image on the BBC News web site of the three leaders that both Cameron and Clegg look defensive and slightly hurt, whereas Miliband looks aggressive. A reflection of their campaign styles?
It's interesting that we still occasionally get comments implying how almost all Tories are really overconfident about the result, when it seems to me that Labour supporters are in general making more assumptions that the result will fall their way. Which makes sense to me, I think it will to and don't know why there has been so much Labour pessimism around, but it's weird that the perception still remains to some extent that its the Tories (in general, not specific people) who are getting cocky.
Interestingly on the Vote 2012 website , Robert Waller says that he did constituency polling way back in 1987 in Cheltenham for Harris . With unnamed candidates the polls showed a Lib Dem gain . After nominations closed they changed their polling to named candidates and then correctly forecast that the Conservatives would hold the seat .
I don't know why we even bother...we all know it what it will be (and if it isn't it will be back to that the next day).
Anyone care to explain why this is actually Con 9% ahead?
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I think he is referring to the fact that Chestnut usually tells us that every poll actually has a substantial Tory lead, regardless of the actual result.
Indy front page: 60% now support electoral reform...
The Times has come out for it too. The clock is ticking. If FPTP can no longer even deliver majorities it has lost all justifications. There's no harm in discussing possible coalitions before a vote. In fact, it's much more honest than what we have now.
If I recall correctly, I've already stated my view that the Tories will be north of 35% and Labour south of 35%. What I can't quite work out is what the gap will be.
Just maintaining that Independent line, arguing both sides.
Edit: I think they should print every paper which front to back is left leaning, and back to front is right leaning, like those old comic books which had two stories printed, with front covers on both sides.
Leaving aside all other knowledge of this election, it is interesting from this image on the BBC News web site of the three leaders that both Cameron and Clegg look defensive and slightly hurt, whereas Miliband looks aggressive. A reflection of their campaign styles?
IDK, Clegg has seemed the more punchy in this campaign as far as I can tell. Ed's had some moments like that, but on the whole I've thought he was making a Mr Super Reasonable and laid back sort of pitch.
Surely tonight's news that the SNP share Tory values, concerns and priorities has an impact on the potential post election maths and coalitions?
(Not really, I just wanted to get back to the SNP sharing Tory values, concerns and priorities. Please dont let this be a wind-up now, I'm having so much fun.)
So according to the Tories things were meant to be breaking their way in the last 72 hours.....
LOL
You seem a bit euphoric, dear. Calm down and, if you can't wait the three sleeps till we see ed's hilarious trouncing by the electorate, at least wait for a proper poll tomorrow rather than a self-selected internet focus group.
Furthermore, take note that the Sheffield hypothesis (now subsumed in the EdStone conjecture) has always said that ed's crapness will not shift votes between parties, it will simply discourage thick and lazy Labour voters* from getting their lardy arses down to the polling station. And it will.
*I would never suggest that Labour voters are thick and lazy, but Surbiton says they are.
The PB Hodges Swingback has appeared just in time, I bow to your nevereding faith in it.
All hail Lynton!
PS Crosby just sent me a private mail saying his new new election forcaster model says Tory mosts seats 100% probability, Tory Majority 200% probability. He was right after all.
Indy front page: 60% now support electoral reform...
The Times has come out for it too. The clock is ticking. If FPTP can no longer even deliver majorities it has lost all justifications. There's no harm in discussing possible coalitions before a vote. In fact, it's much more honest than what we have now.
Might have been a blessing that AV failed if we get something better as a result
I don't know why we even bother...we all know it what it will be (and if it isn't it will be back to that the next day).
No sulking, we all know that the PB Tories were expecting a 2% lead tonight in which case YouGov would have been cheered to the rafters!
Seriously though it is going to be very interesting to see what the final phone polls say this week - if they still have 4%+ Tory leads they could be in for a good night, but if those polls narrow towards the online polls then it's going to be tight and we can probably conclude that the "Edstone" was not the tipping point/ "Sheffield Rally" moment that the majority on here have claimed it would be.
Why would I be sulking?
And I made no claims about tonights polls or any mention of Ed Stone being his Sheffield Rally moment.
Very few people did, and in fact most people laughing at it stressed they didn't think it would change the result, but it will be remembered as though everyone was treating it as such. It's one of the most tedious of tribal political tactics, to only recall the most extreme of arguments and pretend it is representative of your opponent's whole argument. Sadly it's one of the non-partisan behaviours, so nobody is completely free of it.
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https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/595337567333134337
Don't really see how Indy going against Labour is /that/ 'significant'. Now that we know their owner is a non-dom, and looking at Labour's policy on non-dom the situation there is pretty much similar to the Barclay Brothers agenda at the Telegraph. It gives Labour one less ally in the press, which increases Labour's uphill battle to get any kind of positive press coverage, but that's about it. I don't think the public take notice of who newspapers endorse, these days. I think we saw how limited newspaper influence was in the last election.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/595338871442903041
FPT
'Why are you so bothered? Your ground game is going so well you will have a majority on Friday, why worry?'
Maybe IOS met some real voters to - day ?
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories are tied: CON 33%, LAB 33%, LD 10%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%
Several PBers have good money on the Nats !
LAB - 33% (-)
UKIP - 12% (-)
LDEM - 10% (+1)
GRN - 5% (-)
I would love to see some England only polling on whether Scotland should be given the boot.
LOL at the Tory campaign,
And YG - this is why the election is still too close to call, although it is bank holiday polling.
'A combo of non-dom owner and that f*cking Rentoul, Blair's arselicker !'
Your even more flustered to - day, calm down dear it's bad for your health !
Goodnight.
Thank you.
https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/595339849101660160
Tory press ? You are part of the Tory press !
Tories, totally ineffective nonsense
Labour, more nonsense, albeit probably more effective nonsense
Lib Dems, what campaign
Result a boring election campaign, when the actual outcome is so nail bitingly close.
It is amazing how Ed has a direct line into plans SO secret that even the Tories have no knowledge of them!
What a twat....
Its only soul destroying if you don't like the result. Cherio Dave :-)
I actually don't think anything particular is happening, or will happen before Thursday, except that the remaining don't knows are trickling off the fence both ways in roughly equal numbers, leaving the tie virtually unchanged compared with a 7% Tory lead in 2010. There is some residual tactical voting and vote-swapping in marginals, but the main Lab/Con voting blocs are completely solid. Had a plaintive voter today say he's been canvassed by us three times in a few months as we try to make sure of our vote - "Why won't you take yes for an answer?"
Met various other people switching the right way for us - either to Con from LibDem or from LibDem to Labour - both of which work for us Cons in Torbay! If that is indicative of any wider picture, then.....
Plus our phone calls checking on our postal vote pledges are showing they are absolutely rock solid in sending them back already. No slippage...
In such margins our ground game will hopefully do the trick.
Cherio Dave
But I do think the Tories are between 1-3% ahead in votes, and will be so on the day, and YouGov has not only failed to pick this up but has also not-picked-this-up in a shatteringly tedious and relentlessly dull way.
I hope these daily poll stop after the election. For good.
LOL
Which one is Mayweather ? And which seat is the bellwether.
Seriously though it is going to be very interesting to see what the final phone polls say this week - if they still have 4%+ Tory leads they could be in for a good night, but if those polls narrow towards the online polls then it's going to be tight and we can probably conclude that the "Edstone" was not the tipping point/ "Sheffield Rally" moment that the majority on here have claimed it would be.
I reckon that theres a you gov poll for London tomorrow. Lets see how that goes.
And I made no claims about tonights polls or any mention of Ed Stone being his Sheffield Rally moment.
It was the last hurrah of the PB Tories excitedly bashing away at their keyboard without a care in the world.
Turn it round in 48 hours guys.. turn it round.
That's to IOS. Apologies if not clear. Maybe Ed will be PM but the incessant hubris and ludicrous comments are juvenile at best and plain stupid and unpleasant at worst.
Tories back into 3 point lead by June.
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/82761000/jpg/_82761051_bbcleaderscomp.jpg
With unnamed candidates the polls showed a Lib Dem gain . After nominations closed they changed their polling to named candidates and then correctly forecast that the Conservatives would hold the seat .
For every one of me there are 10 PB Tories. And the difference is I am going to be right.
Oh for the days when everyone was so certain on here that the campaign would tear Ed apart.
LOL LOL LOL
Obviously I would want the party ahead to be the Tories but increasingly that is not the priority.
Cue polls suggesting different results entirely.
Edit: I think they should print every paper which front to back is left leaning, and back to front is right leaning, like those old comic books which had two stories printed, with front covers on both sides. IDK, Clegg has seemed the more punchy in this campaign as far as I can tell. Ed's had some moments like that, but on the whole I've thought he was making a Mr Super Reasonable and laid back sort of pitch.
LOL - ah the Murdoch press that fine objective organ.
Give over.
Your mum says it's time for bed.
(Not really, I just wanted to get back to the SNP sharing Tory values, concerns and priorities. Please dont let this be a wind-up now, I'm having so much fun.)
Furthermore, take note that the Sheffield hypothesis (now subsumed in the EdStone conjecture) has always said that ed's crapness will not shift votes between parties, it will simply discourage thick and lazy Labour voters* from getting their lardy arses down to the polling station. And it will.
*I would never suggest that Labour voters are thick and lazy, but Surbiton says they are.
All hail Lynton!
PS Crosby just sent me a private mail saying his new new election forcaster model says Tory mosts seats 100% probability, Tory Majority 200% probability. He was right after all.
Common lets bet. You say Con 37% I will give you 2-1 against.
LET'S GO
EdmundinTokyo developed an MS gizmo, back in the day, which would let one highlight one's fave posters and switch off the yawns. I miss that.