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edited May 2015 in General

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Just after 10pm on Thursday, the exit poll for the BBC/ITV/Sky News will be published, at the last two elections, it has been virtually spot on. However this year, it might be more difficult, as they are also going to give UKIP and SNP seat totals as the era of three party politics has come to an end.

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    First!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    and it's going to make for an exciting night!
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RobD said:

    and it's going to make for an exciting night!

    Some of us will be so knackered, running continuously from 4am.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    why have none of these academics just not thought to contact Jack W?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Did the moderator just scream STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP?

    Whoever it was, sounded like they were losing control of the situation.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited May 2015
    HUGE move on Con Most Seats.

    In from 1.24 to 1.20 in last few mins.

    Con Maj static.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited May 2015
    Murphy: we will always vote against a Tory Queen's Speech.

    in response to questioner turned-off by Miliband's "would prefer the Tories" gaffe...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    notme said:

    RobD said:

    and it's going to make for an exciting night!

    Some of us will be so knackered, running continuously from 4am.
    Good on you!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,031
    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Press Association list of estimated declaration times:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 2015
    Join Steve Coogan & Tom Watson

    On the '72 hours to save the NHS' GOTV Tour

    http://www.tom-watson.com/events

    Don't miss it, it will be a cracker....Monkey Tennis?...ahhhha...

    Only 72hrs to save the NHS...where have we heard that before...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,031
    Refreshing honesty from Prof Curtice, in admitting what we have all being discussing here recently - that it really is too close to call and the final seat numbers could be almost anything!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Jim Muprhy insists that Labour will not do a post-election deal with the SNP if it falls short of a majority.

    But how will you get a budget passed if you don't win a majority? Mr Murphy turns the question on Nicola Sturgeon - and challenges her to say under what circumstances she would vote against Labour and with the Conservatives.

    Ms Sturgeon says the SNP would not vote for a Labour budget that proposed more spending cuts
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Well if a 20,000 opinion poll of people who have just voted may be vague or wrong, what chance 1200 , a quarter of which haven't 'decided' or refused to say?
  • acf2310acf2310 Posts: 141
    RodCrosby said:

    Murphy: we will always vote against a Tory Queen's Speech.

    in response to questioner turned-off by Miliband's "would prefer the Tories" gaffe...

    Perhaps he means that Scottish Labour MPs will vote against it, which won't be a problem if the English ones abstain...

  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Nicola imperious performance. The 3 unionists are simply pygmies when compared to her. Went to the Southampton hustings for the romsey seat today. Utterly uninspiring performance from all of the 5 candidates.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    4 down - this test match is a good warm up for late Thursday/ Friday.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Ms Sturgeon says the SNP would not vote for a Labour budget that proposed more spending cuts - saying the party would fight for a fairer deal.

    "The cat is out the bag," declares Mr Murphy. "The SNP are clear that after Friday they are willing to bring down a Labour budget and Labour's Queen Speech."
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    RobD said:

    notme said:

    RobD said:

    and it's going to make for an exciting night!

    Some of us will be so knackered, running continuously from 4am.
    Good on you!
    Jim will be getting a Slap Down tomorrow.
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
    Don't worry its just Labour hysterics. Lots of labour heads exploding at the minute.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Join Steve Coogan & Tom Watson

    On the '72 hours to save the NHS' GOTV Tour

    http://www.tom-watson.com/events

    Don't miss it, it will be a cracker....Monkey Tennis?...ahhhha...

    Only 72hrs to save the NHS...where have we heard that before...

    So is it really 72 hours this time? Didnt they say that last time? And every other election? Do they pinky promise this time, they really mean it?

    The NHS has existed through more conservative governments than labour governments. It is still here and will stay here.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RodCrosby said:

    Murphy: we will always vote against a Tory Queen's Speech.

    in response to questioner turned-off by Miliband's "would prefer the Tories" gaffe...

    Murphy is a lose canon and doesnt speak for Miliband London Labour.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Join Steve Coogan & Tom Watson

    On the '72 hours to save the NHS' GOTV Tour

    http://www.tom-watson.com/events

    Don't miss it, it will be a cracker....Monkey Tennis?...ahhhha...

    Only 72hrs to save the NHS...where have we heard that before...

    Will Tom Watson only go to events where there is a mixed audience? Oh wait a minute.....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,031

    Jim Muprhy insists that Labour will not do a post-election deal with the SNP if it falls short of a majority.

    But how will you get a budget passed if you don't win a majority? Mr Murphy turns the question on Nicola Sturgeon - and challenges her to say under what circumstances she would vote against Labour and with the Conservatives.

    Ms Sturgeon says the SNP would not vote for a Labour budget that proposed more spending cuts

    Not this one again, first Miliband on Thursday and now Murphy.

    It doesn't matter what they say, it is going to look a lot like a deal and smell a lot like a deal to the ENGLISH voters.

    Picture Ed and Alex on the podium together, both saying "No Deal" but with the Scot meaning it smugly and sarcastically.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Join Steve Coogan & Tom Watson

    On the '72 hours to save the NHS' GOTV Tour

    http://www.tom-watson.com/events

    Don't miss it, it will be a cracker....Monkey Tennis?...ahhhha...

    Only 72hrs to save the NHS...where have we heard that before...

    HAHAHHHA

    I cannot BELIEVE they have gone with this crap again.

    Seriously. Labour deserve to be destroyed.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Just an aside, but as an Agent and Organiser, I'm always talking to people from all parties. This year there is one recurring theme, from UKIP, cons, LDs and Labour - how much they all hate the BBC. It will be interesting to see what the post-election fallout is?
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    RobD said:

    and it's going to make for an exciting night!

    I suggest you make a bet with yourself after the first deceleration, write the seat number in an envelope and go to bed.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    weejonnie said:

    Well if a 20,000 opinion poll of people who have just voted may be vague or wrong, what chance 1200 , a quarter of which haven't 'decided' or refused to say?

    The exit poll is a very different kind of poll. As I understand it they ask voters in key marginals how they voted and derive seat totals from that. I guess it might be harder this time as there could be more seats at risk of changing hands - especially given the Scotland situation so choosing where to focus the resource could be tricky.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
    Yes, they did. That is why Nick Clegg's mocking of Cameron for changing position in the Q&A session on the BBC was completely hypocritical. Clegg was against a referendum, then for a referendum, then against it again. It is very similar to Labour over the Treaty of Lisbon. Neither party is trustworthy on the matter of the European Union. Only the Conservatives will deliver the referendum promised.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Classic "he got his benefits stopped for going to a job interview" These examples are *not* true. He is lying.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    JEO said:

    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
    Yes, they did. That is why Nick Clegg's mocking of Cameron for changing position in the Q&A session on the BBC was completely hypocritical. Clegg was against a referendum, then for a referendum, then against it again. It is very similar to Labour over the Treaty of Lisbon. Neither party is trustworthy on the matter of the European Union. Only the Conservatives will deliver the referendum promised.
    The problem with the proposed Tory referendum is that it will lead to 2 years of uncertainty, which is bad for business. If it takes place and the vote is to leave, then you can say goodbye to Scotland and Gibraltar.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    To the person who asked why I despised the Tories...

    I don't think it would be on-topic of me to answer that. The only reason I mentioned it was to stress that what I say about why LAB look set to lose this election comes from my intellect not from my tribal feeling, which is pro-LAB.

    In most sections of the population other than the very rich (including the super-rich who just park their money here, often 'of unknown sources', to use a euphemism), there's a feeling that conditions are prettyy bad and, not only that, pretty precarious. The future doesn't look rosy.

    The Tory leadership are a bunch of braying posh boys, the Liberals have sucked up to them for 5 years, and as for the SNP, they've just had their main policy, their defining policy, resoundingly rejected by the electorate. You might call 55% something other than resounding, but if you take on board the sheer number of YES posters, the efficiency of the YES campaign's organisation, and despite of those factors the unprecedentedly high turnout, I am telling you there was a huge groundswell of feeling for NO.

    The country is still engaged in an unwinnable conflict in Afghanistan, and a lot of the PR towards the country's own service personnel and their families is having to be done by charities.

    These conditions should have determined a landslide victory for LAB on both sides of the Tweed.

    The big question is why won't that happen? And the answer is that LAB is widely and rightly perceived as having little or no vision or purposefulness to offer.

    They should have taken the ball and run with it in September. They should have proposed an improvement to the Union, explicitly clothed in those terms. They didn't have a clue how to.

    They haven't been able even to try to counter the domination of the newsspace by press releases from corporate pollsters.

    Since WW2, the Tories have only ever fallen spectacularly - in 1945 and 1997, because of a massive wave of support for LAB; in 1964 and 1974 because they were seen as unfit to govern - in the first case, because they couldn't keep their trousers up; in the second, because millions of people wanted the coalminers to kick Heath's butt out of office; and indeed there was also a 'sleaze' factor in 1997.

    These conditions don't pertain now.

    We are now most likely to get either a CON majority government or what we've got now, a CON-LD (majority) coalition.

    I am seriously onsidering coming out of my cocoon and trying to pour some sense into Ed Miliband's head personally.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    At every single one of these Scottish Debates, the applause has been considerably louder for Nicola towards the back end than at the start.

    Tonight it was the opposite for #creepyjim.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    who has been where today on labourdoorstp, updated version

    Balls: Pudsey
    Reeves: Pudsey
    Burnham: Great Yarmouth, Ipswich,
    Harriet: Stevenage
    Umunna: Croydon Central
    Khan along with BAME Labour: Harrow East, Ealing Central, Hampstead
    Twigg: Cannock Chase
    Perkins (Chesterfield): Stroud, Kingswood
    Abbott: Harrow East, Hamsptead, Ealing Central
    Lammy: Enfield Southgate, Edmonton
    Sheerman: Dewsbury
    Malthotra (Feltham): Ealing Central
    Heidi Alexander (Lewisham East): Gloucester
    John Cryer: Ilford North
    Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green): Hampstead
    Caerphilly MP and AM: Vale of Glamorgan
    Dromey: Halesowen
    Darling: Newton Mearns (wherever it is)
    Creasy: Enfield North

    Justine Miliband: Thurrock, Ilford North, Finchley, Ealing Central

    Jack McConnell: Cumbernauld & Co, Stirling, Fife (a few days ago they dragged out even Helen Liddell)

    John Middleton from Emmerdale: Pudsey

    General Secretary: Brentford

    Newham CLPs: Ilford North
    Leicester University Labour Club: Northampton North
    Unison GenSec: Cardiff Central
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,031
    JEO said:

    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
    Yes, they did. That is why Nick Clegg's mocking of Cameron for changing position in the Q&A session on the BBC was completely hypocritical. Clegg was against a referendum, then for a referendum, then against it again. It is very similar to Labour over the Treaty of Lisbon. Neither party is trustworthy on the matter of the European Union. Only the Conservatives will deliver the referendum promised.
    Yes, Dave said it was his first red line at Thursday's debate, and when he made the announcement he said that if he were PM in 2017 the referendum would happen.

    I'd give him about 24 hours as leader if he even thought about maybe trying to think of discussing that promise with anyone after the election. He will make it a vote of confidence, as if it doesn't pass his backbenchers will have no confidence in him to pass anything else!!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Good evening, everyone.

    Mr. JEO, precisely. Clegg thinks an In/Out vote is so disastrous he put it in the manifesto.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    RobD said:

    and it's going to make for an exciting night!

    I suggest you make a bet with yourself after the first deceleration, write the seat number in an envelope and go to bed.

    You underestimate just how much of an anorak I am :)
  • NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    I wonder if i may ask if someone would enlighten on this two stage opinion poll questions, which polls has it been asked in and is the the second stage based on naming the candidate/s .
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    AndyJS said:

    Press Association list of estimated declaration times:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

    Labour are going to have most seats.


    At 12:20am on the 8th
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    @Andrea Newton Mearns is in Jim Murphy's seat
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Looks like there's going to be lot's of hedge betting and ARSE covering going on come Thursday night...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015
    Maybe Boston & Skegness could register the biggest increase in turnout compared to 2010 when it was just 61%:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/a53.stm

    Although the Electoral Commission figures give it as 64%.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    John_N said:


    The Tory leadership are a bunch of braying posh boys,

    So what the hell are the Labour leadership then?

    LibLabConKip are all the same. Vote for alternative parties like the SNP, Plaid, Greens or anyone. Just don't continue to support LibLabConKip.
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Fenman said:

    Just an aside, but as an Agent and Organiser, I'm always talking to people from all parties. This year there is one recurring theme, from UKIP, cons, LDs and Labour - how much they all hate the BBC. It will be interesting to see what the post-election fallout is?

    The BBC will argue that that means they must be doing something right. The BBC is institutionally left wing, and of course some times Labour are not left wing enough for them, but overwhelmingly the BBC is an overweeningly self important organisation that lacks the competence of its pompous aspirations.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Thanks!
    Saltire said:

    @Andrea Newton Mearns is in Jim Murphy's seat

  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    What's frustrating is that if it weren't for the largely unforeseen SNP surge (hat tip to Antifrank and others) we would be headed for a small Labour majority, or at worst a Lab-Lib coalition.The wisdom of a lot of commentators who have said Ed can't win would be seriously called into question. But the fact is in the fight against the Tories he's doing much better than they all said.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,031
    Completely offtopic, but 26 year old Brit Alex Dowsett yesterday smashed one of the most horrible records to attempt in cycling - the one hour sprint. His distance - 52,937m :o
    Well done that man!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/track-cycling/11579414/Alex-Dowsett-sets-hour-record-at-Manchester-Velodrome.html
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Freggles said:

    AndyJS said:

    Press Association list of estimated declaration times:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

    Labour are going to have most seats.


    At 12:20am on the 8th
    They're predicting a result for Foyle at 1am.

    Must be doing triple recounts real fast there.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    RobD said:

    and it's going to make for an exciting night!

    I suggest you make a bet with yourself after the first deceleration, write the seat number in an envelope and go to bed.

    Well I may decelerate over the late evening and then accelerate later.

    1st seat to declare : Houghton & Sunderland South. Labour safety #66 seat.

    Electoralcalculus forecast (based on tories just ahead on overall seats)

    Labour : 53%
    Tories : 18%
    UKIP : 14%
    Green : 2.5%
    LiB Dems: 3.5%

    Almost certain Labour hold: To watch out for: Drop in Labour vote (if any): ratio of UKIP to Tories (possible anti-labour tv) : any increase in Lib Dem/ green votes as they will adversely affect Labour. If UKIP poll much stronger and labour lower then red shy-kipper effect could be in play (which could be bad for labour). If tories poll above 18 then blue-kippers coming back home.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    Sandpit said:


    It doesn't matter what they say, it is going to look a lot like a deal and smell a lot like a deal to the ENGLISH voters.

    Yes, of course it would - and not just to voters in England but to voters and non-voters throughout Britain.

    It's very 'wonky' to quote David Blunkett on how in 2010 he thought going into opposition would be best for LAB long-term. Politicians don't care about the long term. He probably ust wanted to rub some of his younger LAB colleagues' faces in it.

    If the SNP hold the balance, i.e. they could bring about a majority government, or even a stable-for-at-least-a-year minority government, either by doing a deal with LAB or by doing a deal with CON, or both, then they will do it - and if they have a chance to go both ways, they will go with whoever offers them the most. Never mind what they said before the election. And never mind any intellectual arguments over the definition of what counts as a "deal" and what doesn't. None of the party leaderships have any principles. It's all advertising nowadays.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015
    Apparently the Tories think they have a chance of winning three seats in Scotland compared to zero for Labour. Not sure where the third one of those is going to come from...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Freggles said:

    AndyJS said:

    Press Association list of estimated declaration times:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

    Labour are going to have most seats.


    At 12:20am on the 8th
    Nuneaton at 1am will be a good indication
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    JEO said:

    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
    Yes, they did. That is why Nick Clegg's mocking of Cameron for changing position in the Q&A session on the BBC was completely hypocritical. Clegg was against a referendum, then for a referendum, then against it again. It is very similar to Labour over the Treaty of Lisbon. Neither party is trustworthy on the matter of the European Union. Only the Conservatives will deliver the referendum promised.
    The problem with the proposed Tory referendum is that it will lead to 2 years of uncertainty, which is bad for business. If it takes place and the vote is to leave, then you can say goodbye to Scotland and Gibraltar.
    Gib can be in or out, it's a separate jurisdiction, see Greenland, Jersey, Guernsey, Man, Faeroes, Curacao etc. They all have their own arrangements with the EU AFAIAA.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,031
    NoEasyDay said:

    I wonder if i may ask if someone would enlighten on this two stage opinion poll questions, which polls has it been asked in and is the the second stage based on naming the candidate/s .

    The first stage is a general question about voting intention, the second asking the respondent to think specifically about his or her own constituency.
    Ashcroft's single constituency polls often found a significant difference in the answers given to the two questions, although (some would say controversially) he did not mention candidates by name, even after the nominations closed.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited May 2015

    JEO said:

    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    surbiton said:

    The party of Europe, the Liberal Democrats, will now acquiesce to a referendum being called on Europe.

    Where has this proud party come down to ? Now just a Tory b!tch. So why will they not be in a coalition with UKIP.

    I do not see how supporting the British public's right to self-determination makes any party a 'b!tch' of another. EU supporters putting European integration above democratic principles is why the EU has got into its current mess in the first place.

    What will be sad is if the Liberal Democrats try to gerrymander the electorate to win the referendum. Thankfully the Conservatives would never acquiesce to such a thing.
    Didn't the LibDems have an EU referendum in their manifesto only 5 years ago?
    Yes, they did. That is why Nick Clegg's mocking of Cameron for changing position in the Q&A session on the BBC was completely hypocritical. Clegg was against a referendum, then for a referendum, then against it again. It is very similar to Labour over the Treaty of Lisbon. Neither party is trustworthy on the matter of the European Union. Only the Conservatives will deliver the referendum promised.
    The problem with the proposed Tory referendum is that it will lead to 2 years of uncertainty, which is bad for business. If it takes place and the vote is to leave, then you can say goodbye to Scotland and Gibraltar.
    That would all depend on what we choose to do after we leave the EU. If we remain in the EEA, then that is not necessarily the case. While I think being pro-business is a good thing for governments, it can not override the principle of self-determination. We are run by the people, not by corporations.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited May 2015
    bad ???? bad ???? perhaps more realistically what would be an anti-climax?

    Mike Smithson‏@MSmithsonPB·2 mins2 minutes ago
    What'll be a bad result for SNP on Thursday? Given polls pointing to taking all 59 seats how far short can they be? My suggestion: 10 max
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    Freggles said:

    What's frustrating is that if it weren't for the largely unforeseen SNP surge (hat tip to Antifrank and others) we would be headed for a small Labour majority, or at worst a Lab-Lib coalition.

    Sure, and if it wasn't for the SDP-LIB alliance in 1983, a LAB landslide would have booted Thatcher out. And if it wasn't for Bloody Sunday in 1972, the IRA would have crumbled away. But if my auntie was my uncle...

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975

    bad ???? bad ???? perhaps more realistically what would be an anti-climax?

    Mike Smithson‏@MSmithsonPB·2 mins2 minutes ago
    What'll be a bad result for SNP on Thursday? Given polls pointing to taking all 59 seats how far short can they be? My suggestion: 10 max

    Mike would never troll the Nats, ever.

    He would never get any pleasure from it, honest.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    bad ???? bad ???? perhaps more realistically what would be an anti-climax?

    Mike Smithson‏@MSmithsonPB·2 mins2 minutes ago
    What'll be a bad result for SNP on Thursday? Given polls pointing to taking all 59 seats how far short can they be? My suggestion: 10 max

    49 seats. From 6

    Clearly an AWFUL result.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    the stonemason revealed?


    Mike Smithson retweeted
    David Axelrod‏@davidaxelrod·10 mins10 minutes ago Chicago, IL
    I can see why the Tories are throwing stones over the idea of putting manifesto pledges on display, given the many they haven't kept!
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited May 2015
    Sandpit said:

    Completely offtopic, but 26 year old Brit Alex Dowsett yesterday smashed one of the most horrible records to attempt in cycling - the one hour sprint. His distance - 52,937m :o
    Well done that man!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/track-cycling/11579414/Alex-Dowsett-sets-hour-record-at-Manchester-Velodrome.html

    Pretty awesome cyclist Dowsett, has some good wins in his Palmares. He's also haemophiliac which means cycling is extra dangerous for him.

    I'm not convinced Wiggins will beat that on his attempt later this year.

    Wiggins should have gone for it the day after the Olympics when he would have set a completely unsurpassable record. It's a shame.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975
    edited May 2015
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    Nuneaton at 1am.

    Though, Castle Point at 2am might give an indication of how well or badly UKIP are going to do, ditto Thurrock and Basildon & East Thurrock at 3am
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Freggles said:

    AndyJS said:

    Press Association list of estimated declaration times:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

    Labour are going to have most seats.


    At 12:20am on the 8th
    Nuneaton at 1am will be a good indication
    If I get time I'll be compiling a little spreadsheet of model results to compare with actual results early on in the night. There's the Ashcroft polling, of course, but uk-elect has a forecast that gives actual vote number forecasts which will be good for testing as well.

    Election Forecast and the YouGov Nowcast will be other good ones to include especially as YouGov currently have a Labour lead on seats
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Whatever happened to Mick Pork?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975
    David Cameron and Nick Clegg are preparing for talks on a new Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition within hours of Thursday’s general election, if the Tories win the most seats in a hung parliament.

    http://on.ft.com/1I5pYsa
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Dair said:

    At every single one of these Scottish Debates, the applause has been considerably louder for Nicola towards the back end than at the start.

    Tonight it was the opposite for #creepyjim.

    Totally agreed Dair. Such a shame that no main uk party leader comes close to the skill of sturgeon.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    John_N said:

    Freggles said:

    What's frustrating is that if it weren't for the largely unforeseen SNP surge (hat tip to Antifrank and others) we would be headed for a small Labour majority, or at worst a Lab-Lib coalition.

    Sure, and if it wasn't for the SDP-LIB alliance in 1983, a LAB landslide would have booted Thatcher out. And if it wasn't for Bloody Sunday in 1972, the IRA would have crumbled away. But if my auntie was my uncle...


    Not comparable.

    Nobody was saying "Ed is going to get monstered for not being Left-Wing enough, but he'll do alright in English marginals".

    If the likes of Dan Hodges are right they'll be right for all the wrong reasons.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    isam said:

    Whatever happened to Mick Pork?

    He's scratching around
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheScreamingEagles

    Nick and Dave might, but will their parties take any notice?
    (This election has more red ink than my bank statements)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    Whichever one of quite a few which declare at 2am.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    Whichever one of quite a few which declare at 2am.
    Ah. Well, I'll be at a count until about 5am anyway so I may not get a chance to check, but I suppose word will filter through.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    Whichever one of quite a few which declare at 2am.
    Ah. Well, I'll be at a count until about 5am anyway so I may not get a chance to check, but I suppose word will filter through.
    Just a quick question, who can attend counts and how do we find out where they are?
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Freggles said:

    What's frustrating is that if it weren't for the largely unforeseen SNP surge (hat tip to Antifrank and others) we would be headed for a small Labour majority, or at worst a Lab-Lib coalition.The wisdom of a lot of commentators who have said Ed can't win would be seriously called into question. But the fact is in the fight against the Tories he's doing much better than they all said.

    Frustrating! Thats one way to put it.
    It is still head exploding stuff trying to follow the Labour collapse in Scotland. But it is all the fault of Labour no one else. The tory vote is holding up. The polls will look stupid if it does not happen on the day. But Labour look to have totally failed to make their tory bogeyman ploy stick.
    But the big question is, just as Scotland reject Labour will England flock to them to set up being exploited by a SNP/Lab coalition? Will moderate labour voters be so gullible? Or will they think, 'My head hurts! I'm staying at home.' ?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    isam said:

    Whatever happened to Mick Pork?

    Ed's bacon sandwich.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    If there is a recount at Nuneaton, we are going to be in for a very long nail-chewing few hours.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    By 2am we will know probably Scotland will pan out (the Fife seats along with Rutherglen and also Lanark should give a good steer) and with seats like Eastleigh and Thornbury & Yate also likely to declare we will begin to know the incumbency effect in Libdem seats.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    why have none of these academics just not thought to contact Jack W?

    They couldn't afford my fees. :smile:

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    hunchman said:

    Dair said:

    At every single one of these Scottish Debates, the applause has been considerably louder for Nicola towards the back end than at the start.

    Tonight it was the opposite for #creepyjim.

    Totally agreed Dair. Such a shame that no main uk party leader comes close to the skill of sturgeon.
    Each one of them has scared the crap out of me with the raucous baying after Murphy's statements early on. The BBC actually cut to the audience a few times during it this time and it was clear only a handful of people at the back right (stage view) were doing the clapping for Muprhy (and where Campbell always went to for questions/points from the audience).

    Meanwhile Sturgeon had to win the audience over which as usual she excelled at, this probably demotivated the Labour cacklers resulting in them losing enthusiasm for their Murphy adoration.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Chameleon said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    Whichever one of quite a few which declare at 2am.
    Ah. Well, I'll be at a count until about 5am anyway so I may not get a chance to check, but I suppose word will filter through.
    Just a quick question, who can attend counts and how do we find out where they are?
    Anyone can apply to attend but it is somewhat easier if you are "sponsored" by an allowed observer (a political party and a number of other national and international organisations).
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    Join Steve Coogan & Tom Watson

    On the '72 hours to save the NHS' GOTV Tour

    http://www.tom-watson.com/events

    Don't miss it, it will be a cracker....Monkey Tennis?...ahhhha...

    Only 72hrs to save the NHS...where have we heard that before...

    playing to segregated full houses in Brum.
  • NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    Sandpit said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    I wonder if i may ask if someone would enlighten on this two stage opinion poll questions, which polls has it been asked in and is the the second stage based on naming the candidate/s .

    The first stage is a general question about voting intention, the second asking the respondent to think specifically about his or her own constituency.
    Ashcroft's single constituency polls often found a significant difference in the answers given to the two questions, although (some would say controversially) he did not mention candidates by name, even after the nominations closed.
    Thankyou, not as clear cut as I had hoped. Ihad hoped they had asked "and turning to to your own constituency the candidates are, blah, blah. I wont bet bet quite as much as i had planned. In america i think they call this leading the witness.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975
    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    What's frustrating is that if it weren't for the largely unforeseen SNP surge (hat tip to Antifrank and others) we would be headed for a small Labour majority, or at worst a Lab-Lib coalition.The wisdom of a lot of commentators who have said Ed can't win would be seriously called into question. But the fact is in the fight against the Tories he's doing much better than they all said.

    "Largely unforeseen"?

    *cough*

    As I said on this site, four days BEFORE the indyref - "following a narrow NO vote the SNP will benefit from a huge sympathy vote at the next GE, as patriotic Scots voters say a guilty sorry for voting NO"

    It was quite foreseeable. I foresaw it. Apparently DavidL did, too.
    You also foresaw a Yes win.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    the stonemason revealed?


    Mike Smithson retweeted
    David Axelrod‏@davidaxelrod·10 mins10 minutes ago Chicago, IL
    I can see why the Tories are throwing stones over the idea of putting manifesto pledges on display, given the many they haven't kept!

    Is the job of Labour's most expensive advisor tweeting from Chicago? If this is the sort of value for money Labour gets, it explains why they overspent so much in the last decade.
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    They really, really don't get it about a Second Referendum on this Debate and in their campaigns.

    Do they block out the polls mentally? Rely on the Daily Records Comfort Reporting of questions about another Referendum?

    It's actually getting moronic. They are gifting votes to the SNP and it can only be based on none of the other parties have a clue about Scotland. It's also insulting to the electorate to think they can't understand how big a Baseball Bat not ruling out another Referendum is.

    Can anyone pinpoint the first really significant declaration we will be getting, a tight marginal or something?
    The first Scottish one from anywhere will be pretty interesting.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like there's going to be lot's of hedge betting and ARSE covering going on come Thursday night...

    My ARSE is best left uncovered and available for open public scrutiny.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Regarding this drink on Thursday night/Friday morning...

    Are people really going to stay up until 6am in a boozer for the election.. I would kind of like to but would almost certainly drop off. How many are thinking of going?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    If Nuneaton is at recount territory, Labour are going to lose badly imo.

    They should piss up here.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. JEO, anyone who decides 8'6" of engraved limestone is a good alternative to a pledge card is not to be trusted with spending money.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    What's frustrating is that if it weren't for the largely unforeseen SNP surge (hat tip to Antifrank and others) we would be headed for a small Labour majority, or at worst a Lab-Lib coalition.The wisdom of a lot of commentators who have said Ed can't win would be seriously called into question. But the fact is in the fight against the Tories he's doing much better than they all said.

    "Largely unforeseen"?

    *cough*

    As I said on this site, four days BEFORE the indyref - "following a narrow NO vote the SNP will benefit from a huge sympathy vote at the next GE, as patriotic Scots voters say a guilty sorry for voting NO"

    It was quite foreseeable. I foresaw it. Apparently DavidL did, too.
    You also foresaw a Yes win.
    and a No win and a Yes win and a No win ........................
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Sixty Years of Swing with Peter Snow beginning now on Parlament Channel.
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the Tories think they have a chance of winning three seats in Scotland compared to zero for Labour. Not sure where the third one of those is going to come from...

    Presume the three would be Dumfrieshire, Berwickshire, and West Aberdeenshire
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    True though

    I can see why the Tories are throwing stones over the idea of putting manifesto pledges on display, given the many they haven't kept
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Do we have another yougov to come in an hour or so?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    If Nuneaton is at recount territory, Labour are going to lose badly imo.

    They should piss up here.

    Are Nuneaton Labour able to organise a "piss up" in a brewery ?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975

    Do we have another yougov to come in an hour or so?

    Yes at 10.30pm
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