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  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Some real world construction news from Hampshire

    We have just closed off our year end accounts.

    Our turnover has increased by an astonishing 72% breaking our previous record by £2.5m

    As a company that has been in existance for 23 years this is simply astonishing. We are not doing anything that is special. It is simply a result of the amount of work that is about. We have taken on an extra 6 new apprentices and 14 skilled operatives this year. The economy is booming, unemployment is collapsing and people seem keen on a change of Government. Madness!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    I never quite get this "attack" on Miliband as stabbing his brother in the back. Politics is a dirty business and actually his brother was pretty useless anyway. Showing drive for the top job in a dog eat dog ecosystem of politics isn't exactly unheard of and lots of dirty behind the scene stuff goes on all the muck that was spread between Team Blair and Team Brown.

    What is a better line of a attack is Miliband hasn't got a scobby doo about how the real world economy / business works and this talk of "resetting the markets", talking about predators vs producers and outright bans on this and that are very risky and more than likely counterproductive.
  • Does anyone know please how one carries out a word search on say a PB.com thread, when using a Chromebox as opposed to keying control+f on a conventional Windows computer?
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275

    I never quite get this "attack" on Miliband as stabbing his brother in the back. Politics is a dirty business and actually his brother was pretty useless anyway. Showing drive for the top job in a dog eat dog ecosystem of politics isn't exactly unheard of and lots of dirty behind the scene stuff goes on all the muck that was spread between Team Blair and Team Brown.

    What is a better line of a attack is Miliband hasn't got a scobby doo about how the real world economy / business works and this talk of "resetting the markets", outright bans on this and that are very risky and more than likely counterproductive.

    Spot on! His personality speaks sufficiently for itself; his policies are incoherent ragbag of grievance-mongering, envy and destructive anti-wealth creation. This should be the Tories' line of attack.

  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    TheScreamingEagles

    I watched both no mention - which tells you what?

    Here is the word I heard around Holyrood this morning while in for a meeting about something else entirely. The place is like a ghost town with everyone off electioneering. I was told the name of the civil servant who wrote it and the name of the potential leaker who it is claimed leaked it. I obviously am not going to repeat the names since I have no proof. But the civil servant (not a Scotland Office one) who told me says that it is now common gossip. She said there is very good reason for Cameron's apparantly off the cuff pointing of the finger and that the memo writer is not best pleased with the leaker and has coughed all he knows to his superiors.

    Could we on the verge of a total breakthrough in the history of the UK civil service - a leak enquiry which actually produces a culprit. If so then Mr Carmichael should perhaps think about a refund on his season ticket on the Orkney ferry service.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Congrats!
    currystar said:

    Some real world construction news from Hampshire

    We have just closed off our year end accounts.

    Our turnover has increased by an astonishing 72% breaking our previous record by £2.5m

    As a company that has been in existance for 23 years this is simply astonishing. We are not doing anything that is special. It is simply a result of the amount of work that is about. We have taken on an extra 6 new apprentices and 14 skilled operatives this year. The economy is booming, unemployment is collapsing and people seem keen on a change of Government. Madness!

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Bearing in mind the amount of expenses UKIP get from the EC, it's quite appropriate.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083



    What is a better line of a attack is Miliband hasn't got a scobby doo about how the real world economy / business works and this talk of "resetting the markets", talking about predators vs producers and outright bans on this and that are very risky and more than likely counterproductive.

    I think that's a difficult line for the current Tories given their lack of real world business experience. You're in trouble when your credentials include Shappsian filthy rich schemes, a track record of campaigning for further banking deregulation and a continued focus on the primacy of "wealth creators". A few more front benchers who've built up genuine businesses that make stuff and employ people would be more in line with the Tory past and increase credibility.

    At the moment you basically have two parties with little real-world business experience, one of whom is committed to the economic ideology that preceded the last crash, and the other of whom is suggesting some more radical approaches that are certainly different, but can be portrayed as more risky. Neither case is exactly compelling.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Does anyone know please how one carries out a word search on say a PB.com thread, when using a Chromebox as opposed to keying control+f on a conventional Windows computer?

    It's still ctrl+f on my chromebook.

    There will be somewhere in the settings that you can change the key mappings if you need to.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited April 2015
    Plato said:

    Can the nation take any more gaiety?

    Forget the ding-dong between Michael Fallon and Ed Miliband, here's the big story of the day from Bristol, where the Post reports that a Ukip councillor has a secret double life as a porn star. I just can't imagine who on earth would find this guy a turn-on. bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-UKIP-councillor-s-secret-life-porn-star/story-26303054-detail/story.html

    John Langley, who is standing as a councillor in the Stockwood constituency in the coming city council elections, is known in adult film circles as Johnny Rockard.
    I don't think much of the profession of porn stars, but contrasted to politics it is reasonably honest. (G&S)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Bearing in mind the amount of expenses UKIP get from the EC, it's quite appropriate.
    Could UKIP survive without EU money?
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    BenM said

    "Jim Murphy certainly won the debate handsomely last night".

    Just before this nonsense gets written in to the record. The concensus is that Nicola emerged as a clear winner from the first STV debate. The second one was certainly more tousy for her but I'm not sure that Murphy did himself any favours. He lost it totally at the end of the debate in a shouting match with Coburn for eaxample. You should never get into a shouting match with a complete clown.

    Finally take my word for it. The very LAST word many of us associate with Mr Murphy is "handsomely".
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    Does anyone know please how one carries out a word search on say a PB.com thread, when using a Chromebox as opposed to keying control+f on a conventional Windows computer?

    It's still ctrl+f on my chromebook.

    There will be somewhere in the settings that you can change the key mappings if you need to.
    There should be a menu option as well.
  • CuthbertBedeCuthbertBede Posts: 19
    edited April 2015
    Floater said:

    This seat isn’t a marginal so I’m not surprised that we’ve only been canvassed once (by Labour) and had one piece of literature (Labour again). However I drove into Colchester last night along the Old London Road and there was no sign whatsoever that there was an election going on. No posters, no window stickers (that I could see, anyway).

    Roughly the usual amount of diamonds (3 or 4) along Braiswick/Bergholt Road though. Only Tory poster I've seen so far was in Stanway.
    There was one in a farmers field heading towards Sudbury
    That'd be Bernard's territory, rather than Sir Bob's?

    Bernard does seem to have been quite good at getting posters up - I was just talking about within Colchester constituency itself.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    currystar said:

    Some real world construction news from Hampshire

    We have just closed off our year end accounts.

    Our turnover has increased by an astonishing 72% breaking our previous record by £2.5m

    As a company that has been in existance for 23 years this is simply astonishing. We are not doing anything that is special. It is simply a result of the amount of work that is about. We have taken on an extra 6 new apprentices and 14 skilled operatives this year. The economy is booming, unemployment is collapsing and people seem keen on a change of Government. Madness!

    I don't think they are that keen on changing government. Labour is at 34/35% and dying in Scotland.

    Nobody really wants Miliband.

    It's the collapse of the LDs and right wing frothing Tories that will turf out Cameron. Coupled with our farcical electoral system and stupid boundaries.
  • If I hadn't met Hunchman, I would have said this is an article by Hunchman

    The next credit crisis will make 2008 look like a picnic

    http://moneyweek.com/bill-bonner-the-next-credit-crisis-will-make-08-look-like-a-picnic/
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    TNS poll Lab up 1 Tories down 3.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    TheScreamingEagles

    One last thing on the leak which I almost forgot. The civil servant said the key reason she thought the leak enquiry would report and report soon was that it was only a matter of time before the names started circulating on social media.

    It won't be from me since I have no proof beyond this in house gossip and jobs are on the line. But it does seem a strong point she makes. The memo apparantly had a very, very limited circulation.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Does anybody know if we're ever going to get a voting intention poll from a phone pollster during this campaign?
  • TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    Can we all get a hell yeah.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    BenM said:

    TNS poll Lab up 1 Tories down 3.

    Turning into an appalling weeks polling for Cameron and the Tories...

  • scotslass said:

    TheScreamingEagles

    One last thing on the leak which I almost forgot. The civil servant said the key reason she thought the leak enquiry would report and report soon was that it was only a matter of time before the names started circulating on social media.

    It won't be from me since I have no proof beyond this in house gossip and jobs are on the line. But it does seem a strong point she makes. The memo apparantly had a very, very limited circulation.

    So the memo was genuine, the question is whether it is an accurate representation of the events.

    Unlikely that Sturgeon will sue as some were predicting.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    Farage on the Telly...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    scotslass said:

    TheScreamingEagles

    One last thing on the leak which I almost forgot. The civil servant said the key reason she thought the leak enquiry would report and report soon was that it was only a matter of time before the names started circulating on social media.

    It won't be from me since I have no proof beyond this in house gossip and jobs are on the line. But it does seem a strong point she makes. The memo apparantly had a very, very limited circulation.

    So the memo was genuine, the question is whether it is an accurate representation of the events.

    Unlikely that Sturgeon will sue as some were predicting.
    She'd be mad to sue in the middle of an election campaign. This one will have legs after May 7th I'm guessing.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    If I hadn't met Hunchman, I would have said this is an article by Hunchman

    The next credit crisis will make 2008 look like a picnic

    http://moneyweek.com/bill-bonner-the-next-credit-crisis-will-make-08-look-like-a-picnic/

    He writes the same doom laden article pretty much every week.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    I never quite get this "attack" on Miliband as stabbing his brother in the back. Politics is a dirty business and actually his brother was pretty useless anyway. Showing drive for the top job in a dog eat dog ecosystem of politics isn't exactly unheard of and lots of dirty behind the scene stuff goes on all the muck that was spread between Team Blair and Team Brown.

    If I still had a vote in British elections I'd be inclined to vote for Ed Miliband purely on an Equal Rights For Younger Brothers basis. The assumption that the job somehow implicitly belonged to David Miliband is really weird.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    In OXWAB there are many orange diamonds, singly on a multiplicity of properties; some blue rectangles have appeared with a grinning Nichola, mostly they are multiples on a single property.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    TGOHF said:

    I would have respect for backstabber Miliband if he had stabbed his brother in the back "for the good of the country" - but he said it was "for the good of the party".

    Ugh.

    But he didn't 'stab him in the back', they both stood as candidates in an open leadership election and he won, simple as that.
    After previously saying he wouldn't and that he'd support his own brother after the election if David didn't stand against Brown before it. David upheld his end of the deal, Ed reneged on his end.
    Do you have a source for this version of events?
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046

    currystar said:

    Some real world construction news from Hampshire

    We have just closed off our year end accounts.

    Our turnover has increased by an astonishing 72% breaking our previous record by £2.5m

    As a company that has been in existance for 23 years this is simply astonishing. We are not doing anything that is special. It is simply a result of the amount of work that is about. We have taken on an extra 6 new apprentices and 14 skilled operatives this year. The economy is booming, unemployment is collapsing and people seem keen on a change of Government. Madness!

    I don't think they are that keen on changing government. Labour is at 34/35% and dying in Scotland.

    Nobody really wants Miliband.

    It's the collapse of the LDs and right wing frothing Tories that will turf out Cameron. Coupled with our farcical electoral system and stupid boundaries.
    It is. Sadly.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Tabman said:

    In OXWAB there are many orange diamonds, singly on a multiplicity of properties; some blue rectangles have appeared with a grinning Nichola, mostly they are multiples on a single property.

    LD Gain Oxwab isn't unimaginable.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Tabman said:

    In OXWAB there are many orange diamonds, singly on a multiplicity of properties; some blue rectangles have appeared with a grinning Nichola, mostly they are multiples on a single property.

    LD Gain Oxwab isn't unimaginable.
    I would have thought it would be more possible if Evan Harris were the candidate.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    So what's going wrong with the Conservatives election campaign?

    1. It's not got going?

    2. Labour's dominating the agenda with interesting, if totally bonkers proposals?

    3. Cameron and Osborne are absolutely hopeless at politics? (They may be good PM and Chancellor but they have no idea how to "play the game".)
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Pulpstar said:

    Tabman said:

    In OXWAB there are many orange diamonds, singly on a multiplicity of properties; some blue rectangles have appeared with a grinning Nichola, mostly they are multiples on a single property.

    LD Gain Oxwab isn't unimaginable.
    It isn't; but I've spent too many years watching orange diamonds win the poster war and lose the vote!

    What odds can you get on it?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975
    edited April 2015
    Samantha Cameron's "secret weapon" status is today confirmed in a poll showing voters overwhelmingly believe she is a greater election asset than the wives of other party leaders.

    Mrs Cameron was given the thumbs up by 54 per cent of voters, double the proportion who opted for Miriam Clegg or Justine Miliband.

    The YouGov poll, excluding those who “don’t know” or chose “none of the above”, showed the Prime Minister’s wife scoring well with men and women alike, as well as voters who have backed other parties.

    It also reveals she is hugely favoured by voters aged 18 to 24, who the Tories traditionally find hard to reach.

    http://tinyurl.com/LeadersWivesFnarr
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    BenM said:

    Roger said:

    Anyone else sensing a Labour mini resurgence in Scotland? From what I hear Murphy did well last night and was well received.

    Jim Murphy certainly won the debate handsomely last night.

    We wait to see what effect 2 difficult debates for Sturgeon has.

    May tip a handful of seats back to Labour given the yawning majorities the SNP have to overcome. But a comeback? Not going to happen.

    Meanwhile Coburn rammed a couple more nails in the UKIP coffin.
    Like I posted yesterday,UKIP needs a better voice in Scotland,coburn made me cringe every time he hit the camera,saying that he was bullied by rest of the panel.


  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015

    Samantha Cameron's "secret weapon" status is today confirmed in a poll showing voters overwhelmingly believe she is a greater election asset than the wives of other party leaders.

    Mrs Cameron was given the thumbs up by 54 per cent of voters, double the proportion who opted for Miriam Clegg or Justine Miliband.

    The YouGov poll, excluding those who “don’t know” or chose “none of the above”, showed the Prime Minister’s wife scoring well with men and women alike, as well as voters who have backed other parties.

    It also reveals she is hugely favoured by voters aged 18 to 24, who the Tories traditionally find hard to reach.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/samantha-cameron-tops-vote-as-best-election-asset-in-battle-of-the-leaders-wives-10164948.html

    Yet since they've deployed Sam Cam and made the election into a series of puff piece photo calls the Tories poll rating has been dropping...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    Farage on the Telly...
    Are panelbase credible?
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Pulpstar said:

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    Farage on the Telly...
    And Ed in No 10.

    Depressing.

    When will Tory dissent start emerging? Can't see it being canned until 8th May.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tabman said:

    In OXWAB there are many orange diamonds, singly on a multiplicity of properties; some blue rectangles have appeared with a grinning Nichola, mostly they are multiples on a single property.

    LD Gain Oxwab isn't unimaginable.
    It isn't; but I've spent too many years watching orange diamonds win the poster war and lose the vote!

    What odds can you get on it?

    1-4 Con, 5-1 Lib Dem.

    The 5s is with Shadsy though so it is probably better to take the 1-4 Con if you're considering a bet on it. That is with winner.com though so some advise against large stakes (@Pong)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,165
    edited April 2015

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    And the all important/utterly meaningless (delete to taste) Scottish subsample is SNP 44%, Lab 25%, Tories 17%, LDs 8%, Green & Kippers 3%.

    LDs hotting up, the Willie Rennie effect?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975
    edited April 2015

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    And the all important/utterly meaningless (delete to taste) Scottish subsample is SNP 44%, Lab 25%, Tories 17%, LDs 8%, Green & Kippers 3%.

    LDs hotting up, the Willie Rennie effect?
    I think TNS finished the fieldwork before the first Scottish debate.

    So the Willie effect is yet to be assessed.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Tabman said:

    currystar said:

    Some real world construction news from Hampshire

    We have just closed off our year end accounts.

    Our turnover has increased by an astonishing 72% breaking our previous record by £2.5m

    As a company that has been in existance for 23 years this is simply astonishing. We are not doing anything that is special. It is simply a result of the amount of work that is about. We have taken on an extra 6 new apprentices and 14 skilled operatives this year. The economy is booming, unemployment is collapsing and people seem keen on a change of Government. Madness!

    I don't think they are that keen on changing government. Labour is at 34/35% and dying in Scotland.

    Nobody really wants Miliband.

    It's the collapse of the LDs and right wing frothing Tories that will turf out Cameron. Coupled with our farcical electoral system and stupid boundaries.
    It is. Sadly.

    They key point is LD collapse depriving the Tories of a coalition partner. IF LDs collapse from 57 to 25 seats, and Tories score what they did last time (306) there is a wafer thin coalition that probably wouldn't see out a full term, if they get a 1% swing against, Labour take 10 seats from them and there is no majority. A 2% swing and Labour take 15 or so seats and even the DUP cant save the day.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    So what's going wrong with the Conservatives election campaign?

    1. It's not got going?

    2. Labour's dominating the agenda with interesting, if totally bonkers proposals?

    3. Cameron and Osborne are absolutely hopeless at politics? (They may be good PM and Chancellor but they have no idea how to "play the game".)

    You do wonder who is running the Tory campaign, it is worse than last time. They did well for Cameron on the debates, he got in / out of them basically undamaged and nobody really won (perhaps SNP vs Labour in Scotland, which isnt bad for the Tories).

    But so far all I have caught of Tory proposals (and I am many times more switched on to politics than Average Joe) is

    1. Porn filters (which wont work)

    2. Resitting SATs (well the blob will be pissed and most people wont give a rats ass one way or another)

    3. Trident (which a lot of people will say hey more money for that, what about me me me).

    Not exactly a vote winning platform. #1 and #2 are the sort of thing governments normally pump out on a quiet week to get in the news a bit, not to try and win general elections.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    GIN1138 said:

    So what's going wrong with the Conservatives election campaign?

    1. It's not got going?

    2. Labour's dominating the agenda with interesting, if totally bonkers proposals?

    3. Cameron and Osborne are absolutely hopeless at politics? (They may be good PM and Chancellor but they have no idea how to "play the game".)

    Point 2,should say dominating the agenda with policies that ordinary voters will look at,while the tories don't start until next week,most of they voters still on holiday skiing apparently ;-)

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    If you want a longshot Scottish Lib Dem bet, Edinburgh West is EIGHTS with Coral.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387

    Pulpstar said:

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    Farage on the Telly...
    And Ed in No 10.

    Depressing.

    When will Tory dissent start emerging? Can't see it being canned until 8th May.
    They will surely have to begin preparing for life after Cameron and Osborne?

    If it's an unstable Labour government, propped up by the SNP, it could fall at any moment... The Conservatives will need a very quick leadership contest and get ready for another election, IMO.

    Favours Boris?

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited April 2015
    TUD Not bricking it at all. I just don't want my family, who all live in the UK,to be made even more vulnerable to loony extremists...Maybe you should go and find a nice secure cave to hide in.. and raise the white flag.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,228

    Samantha Cameron's "secret weapon" status is today confirmed in a poll showing voters overwhelmingly believe she is a greater election asset than the wives of other party leaders.

    Mrs Cameron was given the thumbs up by 54 per cent of voters, double the proportion who opted for Miriam Clegg or Justine Miliband.

    The YouGov poll, excluding those who “don’t know” or chose “none of the above”, showed the Prime Minister’s wife scoring well with men and women alike, as well as voters who have backed other parties.

    It also reveals she is hugely favoured by voters aged 18 to 24, who the Tories traditionally find hard to reach.

    http://tinyurl.com/LeadersWivesFnarr

    The only sad aspect of Clegg's potential demise will be no more Miriam on TV.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387

    GIN1138 said:

    So what's going wrong with the Conservatives election campaign?

    1. It's not got going?

    2. Labour's dominating the agenda with interesting, if totally bonkers proposals?

    3. Cameron and Osborne are absolutely hopeless at politics? (They may be good PM and Chancellor but they have no idea how to "play the game".)

    You do wonder who is running the Tory campaign, it is worse than last time. They did well for Cameron on the debates, he got in / out of them basically undamaged and nobody really won (perhaps SNP vs Labour in Scotland, which isnt bad for the Tories).

    But so far all I have caught of Tory proposals (and I am many times more switched on to politics than Average Joe) is

    Porn filters (which wont work)

    Resitting SATs (well the blob will be pissed and most people wont give a rats ass one way or another)

    Trident (which a lot of people will say hey more money for that, what about me me me).

    Not exactly a vote winning platform.
    Yeah, there's nothing at all to interest the average voter...

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    GIN1138 said:

    So what's going wrong with the Conservatives election campaign?

    1. It's not got going?

    2. Labour's dominating the agenda with interesting, if totally bonkers proposals?

    3. Cameron and Osborne are absolutely hopeless at politics? (They may be good PM and Chancellor but they have no idea how to "play the game".)

    1.

    Outside of the media, you'd be hard pushed to know there was an election in a few weeks time. I haven't seen a single poster site with a traditional ad, and so far have received 1 leaflet (from Labour - no mention of Milliband, as expected).

    Too many people have short attention spans, and a general indifference to politics.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    edited April 2015

    Bearing in mind the amount of expenses UKIP get from the EC, it's quite appropriate.
    Could UKIP survive without EU money?
    Preferable to the bungs with strings attached from dodgy donors that the main parties rely on.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Pulpstar said:

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    Farage on the Telly...
    And Ed in No 10.

    Depressing.

    When will Tory dissent start emerging? Can't see it being canned until 8th May.
    I wouldn't have thought we'd see much publicly until the day after the election. Even politicians with exceptionally poor STFU skills can generally avoid moaning to the media too much in the last few weeks of the campaign. And as we see with the betting markets, even a little bit of good news is enough to give people hope that it'll all work out OK.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Yet another depressing poll for the tories.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,165

    TUD Not bricking it at all. I just don't want my family, who all live in the UK,to be made even more vulnerable to loony extremists...Maybe you should go and find a nice secure cave to hide in.. and raise the white flag.

    Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability in manning a Tridentless frontier against the barbarian hordes.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Nobody really wants Miliband.''

    Then do you really think the 33/34 who say they are labour supporters will turn out to vote for him?

    Whenever there's been a real election since 2014, the labour poll score has shown itself to be built on sand. The real vote does not measure up.

    If you think about it like that, yesterday's marginals poll by ashcroft is a pretty good poll for the tories.

    As anti-frank said, all those seats are still in play apart from two which are effectively in the tory bag.

    With trident this morning the tories are starting to get more aggressive. And about time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Part-ELBOW for what has been a really meagre week regarding polls (just Populus and two YouGovs so far) - Labour have a 1.3% lead!

    (compared with the Tory's first ever lead in ELBOW of 0.4% week-ending 5th April)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    @AngrySalmond favourited one of my tweets. My life is complete.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    taffys said:

    ''Nobody really wants Miliband.''

    Then do you really think the 33/34 who say they are labour supporters will turn out to vote for him?

    30% or so would turn out for a donkey in a red rosette, and with EdM, that's more or less what they are getting.
  • Yet another depressing poll for the tories.

    Keep calm.

    Holiday polling is notoriously unreliable. There's a reason why YouGov didn't poll on Easter Sunday/Monday and why Ipsos Mori and ICM are waiting until this weekend to start polling.

    If the phone polls show a similar story, then I will share your depression.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015
    FalseFlag said:

    Bearing in mind the amount of expenses UKIP get from the EC, it's quite appropriate.
    Could UKIP survive without EU money?
    Preferable to the bungs with strings attached from dodgy donors that the main parties rely on.
    What do you think UKIP's millionaire backers are expecting in return for their massive donations?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015

    Yet another depressing poll for the tories.

    I didn't know you were a tory??
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Part-ELBOW for what has been a really meagre week regarding polls (just Populus and two YouGovs so far) - Labour have a 1.3% lead!

    (compared with the Tory's first ever lead in ELBOW of 0.4% week-ending 5th April)

    Tories still on the slopes Sunil ! Doncha know.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Interesting new conservative home party members figures. A majority of Tory members will agree to coalition deals with the DUP and LDs but no other party, a majority support confidence and supply deals with the LDs, DUP and UKIP, but oppose any deals with Labour, PC, the SNP, SDLP, Greens, Respect or the Alliance
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/04/party-members-top-choice-for-a-post-election-coalition-not-ukip-but-the-libdems.html
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    As a card carrying Tory, I'm quite okay with things so far. I'm not sure about Mr Fallon re EdM, but I haven't seen it myself yet and it's a blatant dog whistle to soft Kippers/defensers.

    It needed to be done and I generally like Mr Fallon a lot - he always sounds so reasonable and calm.

    I was heartened by the marginals poll yesterday and didn't get why it wasn't pretty good news unless of course Dave Can't Win Here.

    During post-Easter week, I'm not expecting anything too weighty from the Tories - voters aren't back in serious mode and there's still 4 weeks to go. No sensible campaign blows it's big stuff weeks from the final push.
    taffys said:

    ''Nobody really wants Miliband.''

    Then do you really think the 33/34 who say they are labour supporters will turn out to vote for him?

    Whenever there's been a real election since 2014, the labour poll score has shown itself to be built on sand. The real vote does not measure up.

    If you think about it like that, yesterday's marginals poll by ashcroft is a pretty good poll for the tories.

    As anti-frank said, all those seats are still in play apart from two which are effectively in the tory bag.

    With trident this morning the tories are starting to get more aggressive. And about time.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Pulpstar said:

    Part-ELBOW for what has been a really meagre week regarding polls (just Populus and two YouGovs so far) - Labour have a 1.3% lead!

    (compared with the Tory's first ever lead in ELBOW of 0.4% week-ending 5th April)

    Tories still on the slopes Sunil ! Doncha know.
    Ooops I didn't know about TNS - just added the tables PDF link in Wiki, need to plug it into ELBOW.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    I'd like to see constituency polls of "Deep target London"

    Bermondsey; Ilford North; Finchley; Battersea.

    Also

    Derbyshire NE; Halifax; Telford.

    &

    Reading West.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Yet another depressing poll for the tories.


    Only one poll that matters.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I didn't know you were a tory??

    Interesting isn't it? it surely couldn't be possible that there are persons pretending to be disillusioned tories?

    A recent survey of tory members on conhome showed them surprisingly very upbeat.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    FalseFlag said:

    Bearing in mind the amount of expenses UKIP get from the EC, it's quite appropriate.
    Could UKIP survive without EU money?
    Preferable to the bungs with strings attached from dodgy donors that the main parties rely on.
    What do you think UKIP's millionaire backers are expecting in return for their massive donations?
    ???
    UKIP are not going to win a majority, and their donors know that.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    isam said:

    Yet another depressing poll for the tories.

    I didn't know you were a tory??
    I'm not but I can see the country going backwards under labour,so my feelings are pro con at the minute,Country before party ;-)

    Saying that,I'll be voting UKIP at the GE ;-) and so is rest of the family,our vote won't matter here,respect v labour fight.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Pulpstar said:

    I'd like to see constituency polls of "Deep target London"

    Bermondsey; Ilford North; Finchley; Battersea.

    Also

    Derbyshire NE; Halifax; Telford.

    &

    Reading West.

    Remember, the Blues won the wards (aggregate) making up Ilford North in the Redbridge Council local elections last year (same day as the Euros)!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Nominations close today at 4PM

    Then you can have fun to check how many MPs managed to find an address in their constituency to be put on the ballot papers and how many still have Islington/Camden
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    isam said:

    Yet another depressing poll for the tories.

    I didn't know you were a tory??
    He's not !
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    I laid Tory most seats @ 1.52 as soon as YouGov gave Labour a 2 point lead on Tuesday night. It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,228
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting new conservative home party members figures. A majority of Tory members will agree to coalition deals with the DUP and LDs but no other party, a majority support confidence and supply deals with the LDs, DUP and UKIP, but oppose any deals with Labour, PC, the SNP, SDLP, Greens, Respect or the Alliance
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/04/party-members-top-choice-for-a-post-election-coalition-not-ukip-but-the-libdems.html

    The Orange Bookers and the Orange Order.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Nominations close today at 4PM

    Then you can have fun to check how many MPs managed to find an address in their constituency to be put on the ballot papers and how many still have Islington/Camden

    Has UKIP managed to close the gaps?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    I suddenly remembered who Ed M reminds me of. Not physically, but mentally, he has the look of a Margaret Thatcher.

    Of course there differences besides the politics. Margaret didn't remind you of softy Walter, but he has the determination to succeed, the ruthlessness when necessary and the lack of doubt in the rightness of his cause.

    As Maggie famously quoted ...

    "Where there is love, let me sow hatred;
    Where there is faith, doubt;
    Where there is hope, despair;
    And where there is joy, sadness".

    Should have given the job to the Badger.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    I'd like to see constituency polls of "Deep target London"

    Bermondsey; Ilford North; Finchley; Battersea.

    Also

    Derbyshire NE; Halifax; Telford.

    &

    Reading West.

    Remember, the Blues won the wards (aggregate) making up Ilford North in the Redbridge Council local elections last year (same day as the Euros)!
    Are you saying Ed "Can't win here :D " ?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    TNS Poll (Fieldwork 2nd to the 7th)

    LAB 33% (+1), CON 30% (-3), LIB DEM 8% (0), UKIP 19% (+3), GREEN 4% (-1), OTHER 7 (0)

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-election-race-remains-tight

    TNS have a 2nd VI question.

    "Still thinking about the next UK general election, which party, if any, will you vote for in your own constituency? Base: All who would vote"

    Lab 34%, Con 28%, LD 7%, UKIP 21%, Green 5%

    p.41 of PDF.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited April 2015
    TUD I admire your amazing level of complacency in the face of a threat that is so bleeding obvious..make that cave a deep one.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited April 2015
    ''It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!''

    You and a stack of other cleverer-than-thou left backers
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    You've been smoking what EdM was smoking yesterday when he talked about the Tories being a virtual party?!
    CD13 said:


    I suddenly remembered who Ed M reminds me of. Not physically, but mentally, he has the look of a Margaret Thatcher.

    Of course there differences besides the politics. Margaret didn't remind you of softy Walter, but he has the determination to succeed, the ruthlessness when necessary and the lack of doubt in the rightness of his cause.

    As Maggie famously quoted ...

    "Where there is love, let me sow hatred;
    Where there is faith, doubt;
    Where there is hope, despair;
    And where there is joy, sadness".

    Should have given the job to the Badger.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'd like to see constituency polls of "Deep target London"

    Bermondsey; Ilford North; Finchley; Battersea.

    Also

    Derbyshire NE; Halifax; Telford.

    &

    Reading West.

    Remember, the Blues won the wards (aggregate) making up Ilford North in the Redbridge Council local elections last year (same day as the Euros)!
    Are you saying Ed "Can't win here :D " ?
    No - Wes "may" not win here :relaxed:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015

    I laid Tory most seats @ 1.52 as soon as YouGov gave Labour a 2 point lead on Tuesday night. It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!

    Will it though ?!

    Personally I thought Hills offer of EdM PM at 2.5 was even more generous.

    I work it out to be around 1.3 Con Most seats correlates to 2.5 Ed PM...
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    I would expect them to fill a paper candidate at random in Durham NW in order to field 100% England.

    They still have gaps in Scotland and I wouldn't be surprised to see them still open tonight
    Speedy said:

    Nominations close today at 4PM

    Then you can have fun to check how many MPs managed to find an address in their constituency to be put on the ballot papers and how many still have Islington/Camden

    Has UKIP managed to close the gaps?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    edited April 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    Part-ELBOW for what has been a really meagre week regarding polls (just Populus and two YouGovs so far) - Labour have a 1.3% lead!

    (compared with the Tory's first ever lead in ELBOW of 0.4% week-ending 5th April)

    Tories still on the slopes Sunil ! Doncha know.
    Ooops I didn't know about TNS - just added the tables PDF link in Wiki, need to plug it into ELBOW.
    OK, so including TNS along with Populus and the two YouGovs in the part-ELBOW gives a Lab lead of 1.6%, an advantage they haven't enjoyed in an official end-of-week ELBOW since February!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Today's TNS - EICIPM believe BJESUS
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015

    I laid Tory most seats @ 1.52 as soon as YouGov gave Labour a 2 point lead on Tuesday night. It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!

    You know the weird thing is I plugged this weeks numbers into the advanced swingometer of ukpollingreport so that I can input regional figures and get regional swings, for GB vote share of LAB 34, CON 32, LD 8, OTH 27, scottish numbers of SNP 43, LAB 29, CON 15, LD 6, and welsh numbers of LAB 40, CON 27, PC 9, LD 6, the result ex-scotland is:

    LAB 297 seats
    CON 254
    LD 17

    That is excluding scotland&UKIP.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,975
    edited April 2015

    I laid Tory most seats @ 1.52 as soon as YouGov gave Labour a 2 point lead on Tuesday night. It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!

    Looking at it, people are adjusting for YouGov's methodological change.

    The interesting thing from both YouGovs this week, that the Tories lead on the unweighted samples.

    I think if they had stuck with their previous methodology, the Tories would have been ahead in both YouGovs
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    taffys said:

    ''It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!''

    You and a stack of other cleverer-than-thou left backers

    I'm pretty confident that the polls and the markets are not going to reconcile before election day.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Thought this was rather interesting - the call centres the Tories have up and running right now.

    team2015.co.uk/call_centre
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oops.
    Thomas Penny @ThomasWPenny
    Labour education launch. Union flag upside down #schoolboyerror
    https://twitter.com/ThomasWPenny/status/586091014894424065
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    I laid Tory most seats @ 1.52 as soon as YouGov gave Labour a 2 point lead on Tuesday night. It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!

    Looking at it, people are adjusting for YouGov's methodological change.

    The interesting thing from both YouGovs this week, that the Tories lead on the unweighted samples.

    I think if they had stuck with their previous methodology, the Tories would have been ahead in both YouGovs
    "TSE, Richard Nabavi, Flightpath, Scott P, Marquee Mark, Stark Dawning, Plato, Fitalass, can you hear me? TSE, I have a message for you in the middle of the election campaign. I have a message for you: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    taffys said:

    ''It would be nice if the market might acknowledge this week's polling!''

    You and a stack of other cleverer-than-thou left backers

    Oh I've been on the Tories (and NOM, and the SNP) all the way. I was just hoping for a few ticks of trade (put partial rebacks in at 1.55/1.56)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    SandyRentool Indeed, may just happen
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited April 2015
    ''I think if they had stuck with their previous methodologists, the Tories would have been ahead in both YouGovs''

    Yes, so the Yougov polls are the result of an arbitrary decision by f7ck knows who on f8ck knows what basis.

    How many people, just how many, have a vested interest in this election being SEEN to go down to the wire, whether it is or it isn't?

    Every news outlet and every pollster. So don;t trust them.

    The only ones who don;t are the voters. Trust what they do when they go to the polls.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Plato said:

    Oops.

    Thomas Penny @ThomasWPenny
    Labour education launch. Union flag upside down #schoolboyerror
    //twitter.com/ThomasWPenny/status/586091014894424065

    Flying the flag upside down, is a sign of distress.
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