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edited April 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tomorrow night is Nigel Farage’s big opportunity

Given that that Farage and UKIP are the recipients of the None of the Above voters that the Lib Dems used to attract, and are effectively the third party of Great British wide politics, in the polls at least, compared to his predecessors of the third party/second opposition party, Farage’s ratings aren’t that good.

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Indeed it is. I think he will get more mileage out of getting at Ed Miliband than Cameron though.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Nigel Farage doesn't have to persuade all the audience. He just needs a sufficiently large slice to inflate the UKIP balloon. If I were advising him, I'd advise him just to be himself. It doesn't matter if 70% of the nation think he's a berk, so long as the other 30% love what he says.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    FPT Antifrank: I believe you're in the Devon area. Do you know anything about the independent, Claire Wright, who is standing in East Devon? She's in to a best price of 11/2 with the bookies - is there any reason to expect her to do unusually well for an independent?

    Not aware of her back story, but will ask around and see what I can discover...
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    FPT

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Interesting comparisons in the bar chart. I thought I remembered Charlie Kennedy being very popular in 2001/2005, but it seems not.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2015
    FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing luvvie also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    edited April 2015
    Extraordinary how popular Paddy A became in 1992 after just one (outstanding) PPB. Guess it shows why the directors get the big bucks!!
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pong said:

    FPT

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    Also, Farage @ 4/11 in the farage vs clegg matchbet looks like a banker;

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/2015-debate-matchbets-2655093.html
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    Pong said:

    FPT

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    I've had the maximiso on that! £42

    Thanks

    Surely Farage will want to differentiate himself from the others by not conforming?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited April 2015
    Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    Because they are DESPERATE to report something different. The continuation of Scottish-Labour-To-Be-Painted-Seven-Shades-Of-Shit is boring them....

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Are all the men necessarily even going to wear ties?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    antifrank said:

    Are all the men necessarily even going to wear ties?

    Dunno, taking the other side of this bet would be the height of idiocy though.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    Because they are DESPERATE to report something different. The continuation of Scottish-Labour-To-Be-Painted-Seven-Shades-Of-Shit is boring them....

    Yes - then the next national (and non comparable) poll can be painted as a DISASTER FOR LABOUR........
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    antifrank said:

    Are all the men necessarily even going to wear ties?

    Absolutely.

    The smarter bookies only offer one side of that bet.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited April 2015
    Danny565 said:

    Interesting comparisons in the bar chart. I thought I remembered Charlie Kennedy being very popular in 2001/2005, but it seems not.

    I liked Charlie (And voted LD) in 2005, mainly because the alternatives were Blair and Howard though I think. He has charisma, losing his seat might be good for him though this time round.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    antifrank said:

    Are all the men necessarily even going to wear ties?

    I reckon that's big odds on don't you?

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing louvre also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    Are all the men necessarily even going to wear ties?

    Absolutely.

    The smarter bookies only offer one side of that bet.
    Corals is amazing.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Are all the men necessarily even going to wear ties?

    I reckon that's big odds on don't you?

    Probably - anyway, I took my maximum on this bet too, so many thanks to Pong for pointing it out.
  • Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    Because it doesn't suit their preferred narrative?

    The News is no longer about reporting on what has occurred, It is increasingly more about infotainment and ensuring good viewing figures than actually reporting and analyzing what is going on.

    Still if it means we don't have to watch that Berk Jeremy Vine then that will be a plus.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    FPT

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    I've had the maximiso on that! £42

    Thanks

    Surely Farage will want to differentiate himself from the others by not conforming?
    Well the chances *someone* does something different must be pretty high. Grey for example.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Why am I always away from the ability to bet when these ludicrous corals/betfair odds become available?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    On topic, I think the difference between LD leader ratings and Farages is that the lib dems, to non political anoraks, were a kind of bland nice cuddlynothingness that it was hard to actively dislike because they were just an irrelevance that didn't threaten anything

    A Nicer version of the real two parties, but were never going yo change much

    I almost voted for then in 2010 because they seemed nice...

    Farage is never going to have that like ability with those that aren't kippers because he is actively taking votes off the other parties with different policies that upset the AppleCart
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited April 2015

    Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    Because they are DESPERATE to report something different. The continuation of Scottish-Labour-To-Be-Painted-Seven-Shades-Of-Shit is boring them....

    Is it ?

    There are angles they can run on that have some basis in fact, not fiction:

    Can Thurso hold his seat, can Moore. Will the SNP challenge put paid to Carmichael (Doubt this but hey it's a story). Can Labour make any GAINs in Scotland - Edi East, Dunbartonshire East... Is Murphy himself under threat (Probably not).

    In fairness Crick has been up to Paisley to report on one of the big stories of the election.

    But there are PLENTY of journalistic angles to Scotland to take.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    ... or would he be better off just playing in the street?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    isam said:



    I almost voted for then in 2010 because they seemed nice...

    Did you always vote Labour before the last few years?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    Danny565 said:

    isam said:



    I almost voted for then in 2010 because they seemed nice...

    Did you always vote Labour before the last few years?
    Yes have only ever voted Labour other than last years Euros

    97,01 and 10.. Forgot in 05!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    isam said:

    On topic, I think the difference between LD leader ratings and Farages is that the lib dems, to non political anoraks, were a kind of bland nice cuddlynothingness that it was hard to actively dislike because they were just an irrelevance that didn't threaten anything

    I almost voted for then in 2010 because they seemed nice...

    Farage is never going to have that like ability with those that aren't kippers because he is actively taking votes off the other parties with different policies

    I think Farage has shunned his chance to hit the real mainstream (a gamble) in favour of a handful of seats. By positioning UKIP as a party overwhelmingly concerned with immigration and the EU (with the NHS a distant third) he can remain an "outsider" at a time when UKIP are polling third and won the Euros, but it won't allow UKIP to break out of a handful of seats. Repositioning them would have been immensely difficult, and taken a sustained effort over the last three years, and I understand why Farage wouldn't want to risk it.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    FPT

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    I've had the maximiso on that! £42

    Thanks

    Surely Farage will want to differentiate himself from the others by not conforming?
    Green Barbour and yellow trousers?
    He conforms to his image all right
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    I don't know if I'm going to win all my GE bets with Corals, in fact I hope to lose quite alot - but they are definitely going to win my

    Bookie of the week

    Award.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    On topic, I think the difference between LD leader ratings and Farages is that the lib dems, to non political anoraks, were a kind of bland nice cuddlynothingness that it was hard to actively dislike because they were just an irrelevance that didn't threaten anything

    I almost voted for then in 2010 because they seemed nice...

    Farage is never going to have that like ability with those that aren't kippers because he is actively taking votes off the other parties with different policies

    I think Farage has shunned his chance to hit the real mainstream (a gamble) in favour of a handful of seats. By positioning UKIP as a party overwhelmingly concerned with immigration and the EU (with the NHS a distant third) he can remain an "outsider" at a time when UKIP are polling third and won the Euros, but it won't allow UKIP to break out of a handful of seats. Repositioning them would have been immensely difficult, and taken a sustained effort over the last three years, and I understand why Farage wouldn't want to risk it.
    That's what you have to do under FPTP, when you're getting started.

    Another way of looking at things is that Farage is almost as well-rated as Cameron (35% to 38%) and better-rated than either Milliband (28%) or Clegg (26%). But, nobody is very popular.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    So Centre for Macroeconomics asked has austerity had a positive effect...I would answer what austerity.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:

    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing luvvie also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?

    Make your mind up Roger.

    Is it, or is it not, appropriate to arrange your affairs in a tax efficient manner?

    Or is it another case of 'do as I say, not do as I do'?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    FPT Antifrank: I believe you're in the Devon area. Do you know anything about the independent, Claire Wright, who is standing in East Devon? She's in to a best price of 11/2 with the bookies - is there any reason to expect her to do unusually well for an independent?

    Not aware of her back story, but will ask around and see what I can discover...

    I'm in Devon at the moment... surfs terrible . May have to go home. No indication of an election. Easter soon.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh · 7m7 minutes ago
    The fightback. RT @JBeattieMirror Letter to Mirror signed by 100 ppl backing Labour. Cafe workers, biz leaders,celebs

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBhWvpaXIAIxwKn.png
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    antifrank said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh · 7m7 minutes ago
    The fightback. RT @JBeattieMirror Letter to Mirror signed by 100 ppl backing Labour. Cafe workers, biz leaders,celebs

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBhWvpaXIAIxwKn.png

    There letter writing campaigns are so tedious....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    I don't know if the format makes it easier for Farage to win or not, the audience will have 7 different choices and the winner will be the one with the biggest slice of the pie chart.
    I guess who ever gets more than 30-35% will be the victor.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 46s46 seconds ago
    I need 100 signatories for a letter begging political parties to stop organising supportive letters.

    Who's in?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    antifrank said:

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 46s46 seconds ago
    I need 100 signatories for a letter begging political parties to stop organising supportive letters.

    Who's in?

    Hell yes?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    The coverage has been dreadful. It's as if someone produced a poll showing Labour ahead by 6% in the constituencies that voted Conservative in 2010, and it was treated as a national Labour lead of 6%.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:

    Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    The coverage has been dreadful. It's as if someone produced a poll showing Labour ahead by 6% in the constituencies that voted Conservative in 2010, and it was treated as a national Labour lead of 6%.
    Most journalists are innumerate. I'm not sure that there's much more to it than that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Roger said:

    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing louvre also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?

    I don't see how those two things are connected (and though the Tories are generally more disliked than Labour, about the same number of people end up voting for both, so I don't know how you can crow about them being held in contempt by 'most' voters given apparently it's not contempt enough to get significantly more people to vote for Labour, which surely would be much easier if most people held the Tories in contempt).

    Political parties criticize famous people for doing things all the time. If a celebrity openly supports one party - and particularly if they get self righteous about it - then the other side will of course seek out negative stories about them, and spin whatever they do find in the worst possible light. If someone involves themselves in politics so publicly they are fair game, and it doesn't matter which side they are on, they will make enemies of the other side (and more crucially the press on that side).

    You are criticising a political behaviour and pretending it is a partisan political behaviour.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    FPT Antifrank: I believe you're in the Devon area. Do you know anything about the independent, Claire Wright, who is standing in East Devon? She's in to a best price of 11/2 with the bookies - is there any reason to expect her to do unusually well for an independent?

    Not aware of her back story, but will ask around and see what I can discover...

    She clearly has a very large personal vote but how much that extends constituency wide beyond Ottery St Mary who knows .
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Why has the press been some braindeadly awful at understanding what the ComRes Scotland Labour Constituencies Only poll means.

    The coverage, bar ITV, has almost been entirely incorrect.

    Because they are DESPERATE to report something different. The continuation of Scottish-Labour-To-Be-Painted-Seven-Shades-Of-Shit is boring them....

    Is it ?

    There are angles they can run on that have some basis in fact, not fiction:

    Can Thurso hold his seat, can Moore. Will the SNP challenge put paid to Carmichael (Doubt this but hey it's a story). Can Labour make any GAINs in Scotland - Edi East, Dunbartonshire East... Is Murphy himself under threat (Probably not).

    In fairness Crick has been up to Paisley to report on one of the big stories of the election.

    But there are PLENTY of journalistic angles to Scotland to take.
    All micro-stories. There is only one story. The not-long-ago inconceivable death of the Scottish Labour Party's dominance of Westminster seats.

    It is just jaw-droppingly cataclysmic.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Pong said:

    FPT

    http://sports.coral.co.uk/political-specials/uk/2015-tv-debates/all-men-to-wear-party-coloured-ties-2655209.html

    All Men To Wear Party Coloured Ties?

    No 6/5

    Unless I'm missing something, that's a fantastic bet.

    To be very generous with the odds;

    EdM to wear a red tie? 1/10
    Dave blue tie? 1/10
    Nick yellow tie? 1/2
    Farage purple tie? Evens

    The acca = 2.63/1

    Which you can bet against @ 6/5

    I like that this market exists. I hope Clegg decides to mess with the few people who will note such a thing by wearing either a blue tie or a red tie. Or even better, switches between a blur or red tie during a break.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:

    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing louvre also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?

    Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing.

    But those of us who pay tax on a PAYE basis and cannot take advantage of all these schemes and accountants are a bit fed up with being told by people considerably richer than us about the importance of paying tax and supporting public services and contributing to society etc etc when they themselves appear to do everything possible to pay as little tax as possible. Talk is free. Putting their hands in their pocket might be better.

    So when the same issue arose as between Livingstone and Johnson, we found that it was Johnson who paid all his tax on the same basis as the rest of us and Livingstone who used a company to minimise his tax and who said that he thought that everyone did that. Well, no, we bloody don't.

    If the amount of pious cant coming out of Labour and their supporters on tax could be turned into real money, the deficit would be paid off in no time.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    Who but a weasel word using,insincere PR loving spinner with no conviction would describe the meaning of Easter thus

    '‘So I end my argument with this: I hope everyone can share in the belief of trying to lift people up rather than count people out. Those values and principles are not the exclusive preserve of one faith or religion. They are something I hope everyone in our country believes.

    ‘That after all is the heart of the Christian message. It’s the principle around which the Easter celebration is built. Easter is all about remembering the importance of change, responsibility, and doing the right thing for the good of our children. And today, that message matters more than ever.’'

    Take out the word Easter and he could be talking about absolutely anything
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    FPT Antifrank: I believe you're in the Devon area. Do you know anything about the independent, Claire Wright, who is standing in East Devon? She's in to a best price of 11/2 with the bookies - is there any reason to expect her to do unusually well for an independent?

    Not aware of her back story, but will ask around and see what I can discover...

    She clearly has a very large personal vote but how much that extends constituency wide beyond Ottery St Mary who knows .
    I love the idea that St Mary smelled a bit like otters....

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    antifrank said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh · 7m7 minutes ago
    The fightback. RT @JBeattieMirror Letter to Mirror signed by 100 ppl backing Labour. Cafe workers, biz leaders,celebs

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBhWvpaXIAIxwKn.png

    Lol, so Labour just rounded up a bunch of people on the streets and got them to sign a random letter.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MaxPB said:

    Lol, so Labour just rounded up a bunch of people on the streets and got them to sign a random letter.

    @ToryTreasury: @faisalislam oh dear. Not even Ed Balls's Bill "Somebody" Thomas signed it...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    isam said:

    Who but a weasel word using,insincere PR loving spinner with no conviction would describe the meaning of Easter thus

    '‘So I end my argument with this: I hope everyone can share in the belief of trying to lift people up rather than count people out. Those values and principles are not the exclusive preserve of one faith or religion. They are something I hope everyone in our country believes.

    ‘That after all is the heart of the Christian message. It’s the principle around which the Easter celebration is built. Easter is all about remembering the importance of change, responsibility, and doing the right thing for the good of our children. And today, that message matters more than ever.’'

    Take out the word Easter and he could be talking about absolutely anything </

    Archbishop of Canterbury?

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    It looks like Labour are going to pass on criticizing the 103 self serving business people. So I guess it'll fall to the feisty Nicola. What wouldn't Labour give to have someone with the bottle of one of the leading Nats batting for them. The two Eds look like they're drowning in Johnson's baby oil.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing louvre also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?

    Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing.
    Isn't that what Ed thinks?

    Didn't he kick up a HUGE fuss about someone opening a Swiss bank account.......

    ......when they lived in Switzerland?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing louvre also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?

    Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing.

    But those of us who pay tax on a PAYE basis and cannot take advantage of all these schemes and accountants are a bit fed up with being told by people considerably richer than us about the importance of paying tax and supporting public services and contributing to society etc etc when they themselves appear to do everything possible to pay as little tax as possible. Talk is free. Putting their hands in their pocket might be better.

    So when the same issue arose as between Livingstone and Johnson, we found that it was Johnson who paid all his tax on the same basis as the rest of us and Livingstone who used a company to minimise his tax and who said that he thought that everyone did that. Well, no, we bloody don't.

    If the amount of pious cant coming out of Labour and their supporters on tax could be turned into real money, the deficit would be paid off in no time.

    Well said Cyclefree, - but I fear you are casting pearls before swine.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    FOR NPEXMP

    Our bet at £40 to £20 is agreed. You pay to LUPUS UK < I pay to Oxfam. If a tie we both donate to each others charities at the agreed amount. The tie is only valid on the first count as we could get to the stage of a coin toss.

    IF I was unnecessarily direct, I unreservedly apologise and I hope we can agree in future that my ability and readiness to settle any bet I may make go unquestioned.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Who but a weasel word using,insincere PR loving spinner with no conviction would describe the meaning of Easter thus

    '‘So I end my argument with this: I hope everyone can share in the belief of trying to lift people up rather than count people out. Those values and principles are not the exclusive preserve of one faith or religion. They are something I hope everyone in our country believes.

    ‘That after all is the heart of the Christian message. It’s the principle around which the Easter celebration is built. Easter is all about remembering the importance of change, responsibility, and doing the right thing for the good of our children. And today, that message matters more than ever.’'

    Take out the word Easter and he could be talking about absolutely anything

    That 'reads' very much like David Cameron.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    What????

    Labour MPs hypocrites?

    Never!

    You'll be suggesting the indulge in 'legitimate tax planning' next!
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    WTF is up with the Lib Dems PEB?

    I get the don't turn left or right message. But why did it finish with the guy driving straight on.... into a pedestrian precinct!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,004

    Roger said:

    "FPT - what were the chances Labour's other Celebrity endorsing luvvie also has a company?

    http://www.endole.co.uk/company/05533114/sandyboy-limited

    If he was a Tory, what would Ed call him? "

    Another attempted character assassination on someone for the crime of supporting Labour.

    Is it any wonder the Tories are held in such loathing and contempt by most voters?

    Make your mind up Roger.

    Is it, or is it not, appropriate to arrange your affairs in a tax efficient manner?

    Or is it another case of 'do as I say, not do as I do'?
    Of course there's nothing wrong with organising your affairs in an efficient manner - what grates is when the sanctimonious self-righteousness of these media types is shown as total hypocrisy when it comes to their own personal life.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    We need more party political broadcasts with octopodes. It's a shame that we won't see another offering from An Independence From Europe.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    Why does 9/4 come to mind?!!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    Only YouGov counts.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Poor Freeman..he naively wandered into the dark forest of Politics and found a pack of wolves waiting for him..He is a good actor,perhaps he should stick to that.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Ed's 'Zero Hour Campaign' didn't last long:

    The statistics do not and cannot show an “epidemic” in zero hours contracts. Comparisons of the number of people on zero hours contracts over time are not reliable, as the Office for National Statistics makes clear.

    The statistics do show that 66% of people on zero hours contracts fall in the category of ‘does not want more hours’. The statistics alone do not show that everybody on zero hours contracts, or even a majority of them, are dissatisfied.

    The latest ONS release shows that people whose main employment is a zero hours contract account for 2.3% of people in employment. This is 1 in 43 – or to a round number 1 in 40, not 1 in 50 as the Conservative Party has said.


    https://fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/zero_hour_contracts_facts-41165
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568

    FOR NPEXMP

    Our bet at £40 to £20 is agreed. You pay to LUPUS UK < I pay to Oxfam. If a tie we both donate to each others charities at the agreed amount. The tie is only valid on the first count as we could get to the stage of a coin toss.

    IF I was unnecessarily direct, I unreservedly apologise and I hope we can agree in future that my ability and readiness to settle any bet I may make go unquestioned.

    Absolutely, and i apologise for any unintended slur.

    Hmm, with £40 at stake, I'd better do some canvassing instead of faffing about here, eh?

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    YouGov, ICM and Populus are all confirmed.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    Cyclefree

    "Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing."

    Then what has the tax affairs of his girlfriend got to do with anything. Are we so old fashioned that we think a woman cant deal with her own affairs without a man taking responsibility?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Dair said:

    WTF is up with the Lib Dems PEB?

    I get the don't turn left or right message. But why did it finish with the guy driving straight on.... into a pedestrian precinct!

    Was it a car-crash?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Roger said:

    Cyclefree

    "Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing."

    Then what has the tax affairs of his girlfriend got to do with anything. Are we so old fashioned that we think a woman cant deal with her own affairs without a man taking responsibility?

    And "Geoffrey Joseph Ltd'?

    I think 'girlfriend' might be slightly underplaying Ms Abbington's role in his life ('partner of 15 years and mother of their two children')......
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    Will these be VI polls, or who won the debate polls?
  • antifrank said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh · 7m7 minutes ago
    The fightback. RT @JBeattieMirror Letter to Mirror signed by 100 ppl backing Labour. Cafe workers, biz leaders,celebs

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBhWvpaXIAIxwKn.png

    Anyone else spot Sid and Doris Bonkers zero hour contract workers at Neasden FC amongst the eminent signatures?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    YouGov, ICM and Populus are all confirmed.
    Are these "who won the debate" polls or "who will you vote for" polls?

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2015
    BBC1 6pm News - repeat of yesterday - 10 minute report 100% on Con + Lab - followed by Landale doing a sum-up - 100% on Con + Lab.

    Then presenter says round-up of other election news - 10 seconds on Clegg (without him speaking), 10 seconds on UKIP (without any UKIPer speaking), 10 seconds on Samantha Cameron(!)

    This pattern appears to be getting firmly established. If it carries on I can see Con + Lab getting 73% combined - ie 39/34, 38/35 or 37/36 - in whichever order you prefer.

    LD, UKIP and Green are not going to have a chance - LD 9, UKIP 8, Green 4 would be my best guess.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I do hope there aren't any Labour MP's with staff on zero hrs contracts.. it could be embarrassing if there were..
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    antifrank said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh · 7m7 minutes ago
    The fightback. RT @JBeattieMirror Letter to Mirror signed by 100 ppl backing Labour. Cafe workers, biz leaders,celebs

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBhWvpaXIAIxwKn.png

    Anyone else spot Sid and Doris Bonkers zero hour contract workers at Neasden FC amongst the eminent signatures?
    How long before the press start picking off signatories who are going to say "Eh - hang on a minute. What's this about me losing my job after 12 weeks, Ed....?"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Dair said:

    WTF is up with the Lib Dems PEB?

    I get the don't turn left or right message. But why did it finish with the guy driving straight on.... into a pedestrian precinct!

    Watching it now

    Sad music start...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    YouGov, ICM and Populus are all confirmed.
    Are these "who won the debate" polls or "who will you vote for" polls?

    Who won the debate.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099


    Among the 103 signatories of the letter, published on the front page of the Daily Telegraph this morning, are four Conservative members of the House of Lords – all ennobled by David Cameron.

    The Prime Minister also doled out 18 MBEs, OBEs, CBEs and knighthoods to signatories of the letter over the last parliament.

    A total of 32 of the signatories are Conservative donors, having donated a total of £9m to the party when family and company donations are taken into account.

    Nine of those who signed the letter had given at least six-figure sums, with the smallest donation still well over a thousand pounds.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Bloody hell where's he going..
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    WTF is up with the Lib Dems PEB?

    I get the don't turn left or right message. But why did it finish with the guy driving straight on.... into a pedestrian precinct!

    Was it a car-crash?
    If you never turn left or right, a car crash is inveitable.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,975
    NickP

    "Absolutely, and i apologise for any unintended slur.

    Hmm, with £40 at stake, I'd better do some canvassing instead of faffing about here, eh?"

    I'd be curious to know the effect of the business people's signatures. My suspicion was that it would backfire. The connection between big business and Tories being inherently unattractive. I'd be curious to hear your feed back
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Roger said:

    Cyclefree

    "Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing."

    Then what has the tax affairs of his girlfriend got to do with anything. Are we so old fashioned that we think a woman cant deal with her own affairs without a man taking responsibility?

    As I am sure you have noted, I have never mentioned his girlfriend.

    He minimises his tax by using a company. Good for him. I wish I could do the same. I can't. I pay all the tax that is due and have a pretty high marginal rate. I probably pay more tax than a lot of people who have more money (both income and assets) than me.

    I will probably get shafted by Labour should they come to power. That's life and democracy for you.

    What I don't need or care for is a lot of Labour luvvies pretending that they are morally superior to me because they support Labour and I don't.

    I judge people on their deeds not their words. It's easy to be charitable with other people's money.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Dair, not necessarily. You could be on the M25.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    SNP's car advert was far more upbeat. THe Lib Dem chap looks like he's about to go through a breakdown, or his car is :D
  • Fac
    Factcheck
    % of all workers on zero hour contracts = 2%
    % of Labour MPs that have employed people on such contracts = 26%

    motes and beams
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    I'd vote for you, Miss Cyclefree.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    WTF is up with the Lib Dems PEB?

    I get the don't turn left or right message. But why did it finish with the guy driving straight on.... into a pedestrian precinct!

    Was it a car-crash?
    If you never turn left or right, a car crash is inveitable.
    Not in the States!
  • Faragasm

    Doesn't work as well as cleggasm, farage having a soft g.

    Would suggest, for future threads, OGH uses the term "faragaculation".

    Works much better In the northern england, where garage is pronounced "garridge" thus the locals might refer to farage as "farridge".

    Scots may wish to substitute "Sturgaculation",
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    Cyclefree

    "Not a character assassination at all unless you think that arranging your affairs legally to minimise the tax you pay is somehow a bad thing."

    Then what has the tax affairs of his girlfriend got to do with anything. Are we so old fashioned that we think a woman cant deal with her own affairs without a man taking responsibility?

    What I don't need or care for is a lot of Labour luvvies pretending that they are morally superior to me because they support Labour and I don't.
    Well put. It's just bloody irritating.

    And to forestall argument, yes that would apply to Tories pretending they are morally superior to me because they support the Tories and I don't, which does happen, although my feeling is that for the lazy type of attachs while Labour fall back on the condescending implication that they are inherently more decent and moral than the Tories, the Tories fall back more often on the implication only fools vote for someone other than them.

    This only applies to the very laziest of attacks mind you, the basest of tactics.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Looks like Labour has produced it`s own letter of 100 signatories to be published in the Guardian.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MikeL said:

    BBC1 6pm News - repeat of yesterday - 10 minute report 100% on Con + Lab - followed by Landale doing a sum-up - 100% on Con + Lab.

    Then presenter says round-up of other election news - 10 seconds on Clegg (without him speaking), 10 seconds on UKIP (without any UKIPer speaking), 10 seconds on Samantha Cameron(!)

    This pattern appears to be getting firmly established. If it carries on I can see Con + Lab getting 73% combined - ie 39/34, 38/35 or 37/36 - in whichever order you prefer.

    LD, UKIP and Green are not going to have a chance - LD 9, UKIP 8, Green 4 would be my best guess.

    I missed the news, too busy playing in the street.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Just watched the Lib Dems party political broadcast.

    Everyone knows that if you keep going straight,you`ll end up in a crash.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: For tomorrow's debate, I'm hearing there could be as many as FIVE snap opinion polls afterwards... Will try to keep up! #GE2015 #tvdebates

    What are the odds on 5 different winners...

    YouGov, ICM and Populus are all confirmed.
    Are these "who won the debate" polls or "who will you vote for" polls?

    Can I vote on which poll won the poll on the debate? What colour will the presenters tie be?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    SNP's car advert was far more upbeat. THe Lib Dem chap looks like he's about to go through a breakdown, or his car is :D

    Yes the whole thing is thoroughly depressing. But the driving onto the pedestrian precinct is the stand out moment. Also there didn't appear to be a right turn at that final junction any way.

    Whole thing is bizarre, poorly judged and executed.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited April 2015
    SMukesh said:

    Just watched the Lib Dems party political broadcast.
    Everyone knows that if you keep going straight,you`ll end up in a crash.

    It is back to that first campaign of Simon Hughes.
    It's a straight choice.

    ps - Since Cable, Farron, Kennedy and Ashdown etc all state that the Lib Dems are a party of the left, when will the eruption happen inside the Lib Dems?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Blimey - LD ad was a bit gloomy. Not sure about the position of the satnav on the windscreen...
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