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  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Moses_ said:

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 3m3 minutes ago
    A new Falklands invasion by Argentina is “a live threat”, says the Defence Secretary

    Are the Sun reporting news 33 years late or just ramping

    I wish

    Serious economic issues and financial problems in Argentina. The President is also under investigation. She and the government need to to deflect attention quickly and take the heat of and with an uncertain election in UK perfect opportunity. They even printed a bank note with Malvinas don't you know?

    Our present government is taking a responsible approach to protect and defend the sovereign right of the people of the FI to be governed as they wish under the United Nations.

    However If the utter fuckwit makes it to No 10 who knows?

    ay, renaming a huge swathe of antartica as queen elizabeth land was an entirely responsible move too...
    Its part of the British Antarctic territory.
    I know. renaming it was pure clarkson-esque trolling
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Roger
    It only becomes problematic if the papers requested carried "sworn" statements.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Moses_ said:

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 3m3 minutes ago
    A new Falklands invasion by Argentina is “a live threat”, says the Defence Secretary

    Are the Sun reporting news 33 years late or just ramping

    I wish

    Serious economic issues and financial problems in Argentina. The President is also under investigation. She and the government need to to deflect attention quickly and take the heat of and with an uncertain election in UK perfect opportunity. They even printed a bank note with Malvinas don't you know?

    Our present government is taking a responsible approach to protect and defend the sovereign right of the people of the FI to be governed as they wish under the United Nations.

    However If the utter fuckwit makes it to No 10 who knows?

    ay, renaming a huge swathe of antartica as queen elizabeth land was an entirely responsible move too...
    Its part of the British Antarctic territory.
    Penguins had a 99.9% vote in favour LOL
    LOL indeed, but the point of these treaties is that Antarctica cannot be exploited for minerals weapons etc.
    The penguins do rule.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Roger said:

    Oh dear. The petrol head who packs a punch. North Yorkshire police investigate. That should keep him occupied for the next 20 years

    The victim was a young white slut who was asking for it ?
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Roger said:

    Oh dear. The petrol head who packs a punch. North Yorkshire police investigate. That should keep him occupied for the next 20 years

    Why the police feel they have to try and prosecute every celebrity that does anything is a mystery to me. Surely hundreds of similarly violent "fracas" occurred in Yorkshire in the same week, and none of them will be prosecuted.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The NY Times reporting - according to Fox News and CNN - that one of the Germanair pilots left the cockpit and couldn't return.

    Based on what, I don't know. Speculating - it could be a leak from someone about the cockpit voice recorder.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Pulpstar said:

    Which Labour MP is most likely to get "stuck on a train" if a tight Queen's speech vote is needed :P

    1) Danzcuk
    2) Woodcock
    3) Murphy

    They might be stuck on a train first time but wheeled through in an ambulance second time. Oh sorry Campbell not in charge these days.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Tim_B said:

    The NY Times reporting - according to Fox News and CNN - that one of the Germanair pilots left the cockpit and couldn't return.

    Based on what, I don't know. Speculating - it could be a leak from someone about the cockpit voice recorder.

    Its the only place they could get that info from, if it was accurate.

    Notably little information on the pilot and co-pilot has been released.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pilot "locked out" of cockpit, then tried to batter the door down on A320...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    TGOHF

    "The victim was a young white slut who was asking for it ?"

    Well at least he only sent him to A+E. There's no suggestion he touched Oisin Tymon's breasts.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Y0kel said:

    Tim_B said:

    The NY Times reporting - according to Fox News and CNN - that one of the Germanair pilots left the cockpit and couldn't return.

    Based on what, I don't know. Speculating - it could be a leak from someone about the cockpit voice recorder.

    Its the only place they could get that info from, if it was accurate.

    Notably little information on the pilot and co-pilot has been released.
    Presumably the FBI will be checking the passenger and crew list for any unfortunate or otherwise connections
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RodCrosby
    That is tragic if true, doomed by an upgrade that was supposed to protect them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    RodCrosby said:

    Pilot "locked out" of cockpit, then tried to batter the door down on A320...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0

    A suicide?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Smarmeron said:

    @RodCrosby
    That is tragic if true, doomed by an upgrade that was supposed to protect them.

    The head steward should have a key to open the door from the cabin side.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Still no general media hype for the Cameron / Miliband programme on C4 / Sky tomorrow night.

    If BBC, ITV etc don't plug it then it is only going to get an audience of approx 2m to 3m.

    It's also arguably going to be too late to lead the BBC and ITV 10pm News programmes as it runs from 9pm to 10.30pm.

    Miliband has won the coin toss and is going second. So the format is:

    Cameron - Paxman interview (18 mins)
    Cameron - audience Q & A
    Miliband - Paxman interview (18 mins)
    Miliband - audience Q & A

    If BBC / ITV want to lead on it at 10pm they will almost certainly have to go with Cameron first. But hard to see them having any poll results by then.

    Huge contrast to 2010.

    I was flicking around the channels earlier and I did see a an advert for it with Paxman and Burley...and they hardly managed to build up my excitement and I am not your average guy in the street who normally turns over when politics comes on.

    Is it even mentioned on the front pages of any papers?
    There's no mention of it anywhere.

    Remember last time - each debate was the lead story for about two days before and afterwards. And that's what is needed to generate the huge audience - if everyone is told "this is a mega event" then people watch.

    None of the above is happening this time.

    I expect much more for the 7 person debate next week - but it looks as if tomorrow's event is going to pass in a very low key fashion.
    In an age of desperately manufactured over-hyped news we saw a classic example of that when the sad bag of bones that were the remains of Richard III were lauded with overweening hype by the TV news. All this before he was actually buried. How many heads will explode tomorrow when the child murdering Yorkist usurper is finally put back where he belongs.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RobD
    So if you grab the head steward, you have the cockpit key?
    Do terrorists know about this flaw?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    One for the ting tong obsessives

    Telegraph Politics (@TelePolitics)
    26/03/2015 00:06
    Forget what you think you know about Ukip voters tgr.ph/1HHTtBm
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RodCrosby
    That is tragic if true, doomed by an upgrade that was supposed to protect them.

    The head steward should have a key to open the door from the cabin side.
    That's not actually a good idea Rod - any determined terrorist could either kill, mame or persuade the head steward to part with the key.

    The idea of that cockpit door is you can't get into it unless someone opens the door from the inside.

    What happens if both pilots get violent diarrhea at the same time might be a problem :)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    isam said:

    Went to MATT Forde political party in Victoria tonight.. Very good I thoroughly recommend it to all PBers

    Neil kinnock is the guest in May, April and June tbc

    Got to chat w him and David Lammy in the pub after... Lammy is a down to earth kind of bloke it seems

    Matt's from Broxtowe originally - I know him quite well (IIRC he had some work experience in my office): clever, good at winding up audiences just enough to tease them without really annoying them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RodCrosby
    That is tragic if true, doomed by an upgrade that was supposed to protect them.

    The head steward should have a key to open the door from the cabin side.
    That's not actually a good idea Rod - any determined terrorist could either kill, mame or persuade the head steward to part with the key.

    The idea of that cockpit door is you can't get into it unless someone opens the door from the inside.

    What happens if both pilots get violent diarrhea at the same time might be a problem :)
    My mistake - http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=5470

    I was probably thinking of before 9/11! I guess the risk of hijacking outweighs the risk of both pilots being incapacitated at the same time.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RobD
    It begs the question, are you more at risk of terrorists, or lax cabin crew who have been enjoying the stopover too much?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It begs the question, are you more at risk of terrorists, or lax cabin crew who have been enjoying the stopover too much?

    The fear of the former is probably much greater than the latter. Still, we have to wait and see what actually happened in this case. If it was an intentional act by a pilot, the people in the cabin must have been utterly terrified as the captain tried to bash the door down... bears thinking about.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Moses_ said:

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 3m3 minutes ago
    A new Falklands invasion by Argentina is “a live threat”, says the Defence Secretary

    Are the Sun reporting news 33 years late or just ramping

    I wish

    Serious economic issues and financial problems in Argentina. The President is also under investigation. She and the government need to to deflect attention quickly and take the heat of and with an uncertain election in UK perfect opportunity. They even printed a bank note with Malvinas don't you know?

    Our present government is taking a responsible approach to protect and defend the sovereign right of the people of the FI to be governed as they wish under the United Nations.

    However If the utter fuckwit makes it to No 10 who knows?

    ay, renaming a huge swathe of antartica as queen elizabeth land was an entirely responsible move too...
    Its part of the British Antarctic territory.
    Penguins had a 99.9% vote in favour LOL
    LOL indeed, but the point of these treaties is that Antarctica cannot be exploited for minerals weapons etc.
    The penguins do rule.
    In that case, no one country should have any sovereignty over each "sector" of Antarctica.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    Moses_ said:

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 3m3 minutes ago
    A new Falklands invasion by Argentina is “a live threat”, says the Defence Secretary

    Are the Sun reporting news 33 years late or just ramping

    I wish

    Serious economic issues and financial problems in Argentina. The President is also under investigation. She and the government need to to deflect attention quickly and take the heat of and with an uncertain election in UK perfect opportunity. They even printed a bank note with Malvinas don't you know?

    Our present government is taking a responsible approach to protect and defend the sovereign right of the people of the FI to be governed as they wish under the United Nations.

    However If the utter fuckwit makes it to No 10 who knows?

    ay, renaming a huge swathe of antartica as queen elizabeth land was an entirely responsible move too...
    Its part of the British Antarctic territory.
    Penguins had a 99.9% vote in favour LOL
    LOL indeed, but the point of these treaties is that Antarctica cannot be exploited for minerals weapons etc.
    The penguins do rule.
    In that case, no one country should have any sovereignty over each "sector" of Antarctica.
    Our claim on the Antarctic territories is "ancient and indisputable" ;)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.

    In the case of MH370, 'wait and see' could be a very long time.

    I very much hope I'm wrong.
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.

    On a lot of planes there is a keypad lock with a code..surely if that were the case here the pilot would have that. More sinister is then whether the door was then locked from inside so that the code would not work..
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Tim_B said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.

    In the case of MH370, 'wait and see' could be a very long time.

    I very much hope I'm wrong.
    Any updates on finding the plane?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    A state senator in Nevada has introduced a bill to legalize medical pot for pets.

    His first name is 'Tick'.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/nevada-bill-sick-pets-medical-marijuana-29707529
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.

    In the case of MH370, 'wait and see' could be a very long time.

    I very much hope I'm wrong.
    Any updates on finding the plane?
    Last time I looked they were about halfway through the search area, and some folks are starting to wonder if they're looking in the right place.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    edited March 2015
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.

    In the case of MH370, 'wait and see' could be a very long time.

    I very much hope I'm wrong.
    Any updates on finding the plane?
    Last time I looked they were about halfway through the search area, and some folks are starting to wonder if they're looking in the right place.
    I remember those conspiracies that said the plane has been diverted to somewhere in the Middle East to be used in a future attack. Like something out of an action film.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited March 2015
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    It doesn't bear thinking about if something similar happened to the Malaysian Airlines one.
    Though as you say, we will have to wait and see.

    In the case of MH370, 'wait and see' could be a very long time.

    I very much hope I'm wrong.
    Any updates on finding the plane?
    Last time I looked they were about halfway through the search area, and some folks are starting to wonder if they're looking in the right place.
    I remember those conspiracies that said the plane has been diverted to somewhere in the Middle East to be used in a future attack. Like something out of an action film.
    As Inspector Clouseau would say, "Ah, the old Russian air base in Khazakstan ploy." "Not tonight, Cato!!"

    I've always thought that the plane MUST be found, but I confess I'm starting to doubt it will be. But if not there of Australia, then where?

    I think the whole Inmarsat data thing is a bit specious, but we don't have anything else.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 3m3 minutes ago
    A new Falklands invasion by Argentina is “a live threat”, says the Defence Secretary

    Are the Sun reporting news 33 years late or just ramping

    I wish

    Serious economic issues and financial problems in Argentina. The President is also under investigation. She and the government need to to deflect attention quickly and take the heat of and with an uncertain election in UK perfect opportunity. They even printed a bank note with Malvinas don't you know?

    Our present government is taking a responsible approach to protect and defend the sovereign right of the people of the FI to be governed as they wish under the United Nations.

    However If the utter fuckwit makes it to No 10 who knows?

    ay, renaming a huge swathe of antartica as queen elizabeth land was an entirely responsible move too...
    Its part of the British Antarctic territory.
    Penguins had a 99.9% vote in favour LOL
    LOL indeed, but the point of these treaties is that Antarctica cannot be exploited for minerals weapons etc.
    The penguins do rule.
    In that case, no one country should have any sovereignty over each "sector" of Antarctica.
    Our claim on the Antarctic territories is "ancient and indisputable" ;)
    My alternate history "Greater Commonwealth" includes South Georgia but not any part of mainland Antarctica, aka. the "Neutral Zone", or "Continent of Galactic Peace" :)
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    isam said:

    One for the ting tong obsessives

    Telegraph Politics (@TelePolitics)
    26/03/2015 00:06
    Forget what you think you know about Ukip voters tgr.ph/1HHTtBm

    What is this ting tong thing? I've seen it here a few times, but it has passed me by.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 3m3 minutes ago
    A new Falklands invasion by Argentina is “a live threat”, says the Defence Secretary

    Are the Sun reporting news 33 years late or just ramping

    I wish

    Serious economic issues and financial problems in Argentina. The President is also under investigation. She and the government need to to deflect attention quickly and take the heat of and with an uncertain election in UK perfect opportunity. They even printed a bank note with Malvinas don't you know?

    Our present government is taking a responsible approach to protect and defend the sovereign right of the people of the FI to be governed as they wish under the United Nations.

    However If the utter fuckwit makes it to No 10 who knows?

    ay, renaming a huge swathe of antartica as queen elizabeth land was an entirely responsible move too...
    Its part of the British Antarctic territory.
    Penguins had a 99.9% vote in favour LOL
    LOL indeed, but the point of these treaties is that Antarctica cannot be exploited for minerals weapons etc.
    The penguins do rule.
    In that case, no one country should have any sovereignty over each "sector" of Antarctica.
    Our claim on the Antarctic territories is "ancient and indisputable" ;)
    My alternate history "Greater Commonwealth" includes South Georgia but not any part of mainland Antarctica, aka. the "Neutral Zone", or "Continent of Galactic Peace" :)
    Glorious reply. LOL.

    I wonder, did the 15-star General Zap Brannigan name his ship after that planet, err continent?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Grandiose said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Moses_ said:


    Not known at this address, previous occupant moved on ... The dog ate it and ate the postman as well?

    If 10% or the populace did that it's over.... As you say not fit for modern purpose.

    99% of the populace are obviously sheeple, happy to pay for their own brainwashing. I've never had a licence. I've been receiving the threatening letters about every fortnight for 25 years...

    Laughable that anyone pays.
    I pay for the same reason I pay my train fare even though I know which routes are checked, and which stations have barriers: I receive a product or service I value enough to pay the charged amount for. It doesn't matter if I could get away with paying zero, I'm happy paying anyway.
    Good analogy. I object to paying for a train fare just because I intend to use my car.

    I almost never watch the BBC, almost all shows my family watch are on E4, Sky Atlantic, Sky Living, ITV, 4, 5 or Disney Junior. None of which are paid for by the Licence Fee. There's no distinction between watching BBC and being made to pay for it, or watching Sky and being made to pay for the BBC as a result.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    My neighbor is a pilot with Delta. We exchanged texts after the NY Times revelation about the pilot leaving the cockpit on Germanwings A320.

    On commercial airlines in the US, apparently there have to be at least 2 people in the cockpit at all times. If a pilot leaves, then a flight attendant will enter the cockpit to make up the numbers until the officer returns. It also applies to overseas flights on US carriers, I'm told.

    So far nobody in the media seems to know what the German cockpit rules are. I'm sure that will be resolved over the next 24 hours.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    My neighbor is a pilot with Delta. We exchanged texts after the NY Times revelation about the pilot leaving the cockpit on Germanwings A320.

    On commercial airlines in the US, apparently there have to be at least 2 people in the cockpit at all times. If a pilot leaves, then a flight attendant will enter the cockpit to make up the numbers until the officer returns. It also applies to overseas flights on US carriers, I'm told.

    So far nobody in the media seems to know what the German cockpit rules are. I'm sure that will be resolved over the next 24 hours.

    If there was just the one person in the cockpit, two potential explanations seem to present themselves - catastrophic medical emergency or suicide. The latter would not be unprecedented. Tragic all around.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    My neighbor is a pilot with Delta. We exchanged texts after the NY Times revelation about the pilot leaving the cockpit on Germanwings A320.

    On commercial airlines in the US, apparently there have to be at least 2 people in the cockpit at all times. If a pilot leaves, then a flight attendant will enter the cockpit to make up the numbers until the officer returns. It also applies to overseas flights on US carriers, I'm told.

    So far nobody in the media seems to know what the German cockpit rules are. I'm sure that will be resolved over the next 24 hours.

    If there was just the one person in the cockpit, two potential explanations seem to present themselves - catastrophic medical emergency or suicide. The latter would not be unprecedented. Tragic all around.
    All the talking heads - mainly CNN and BBC World News - are bending over backwards not say it.

    Earlier today the French BEA said they were sure it was a controlled descent after listening to the CVR. The suspicions began. Then the NY Times revelation came and the unthinkable is now a possibility.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    On topic, the rules change sounds fair enough. But do the anti-Bercow people have the votes to get rid of him under a secret ballot? The same reasons why the government and pro-government tub-thumpers don't like him are the reasons why a lot of MPs do, including a fair few Tories. Opponents could have had a vote last time if they'd been able to muster more than a few people to shout "Bollocks" or whatever the appropriate parliamentary procedure is. MPs are perfectly capable of conspiring, surely they weren't all secretly anti-Bercow but scared of retribution?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    On topic, the rules change sounds fair enough. But do the anti-Bercow people have the votes to get rid of him under a secret ballot? The same reasons why the government and pro-government tub-thumpers don't like him are the reasons why a lot of MPs do, including a fair few Tories. Opponents could have had a vote last time if they'd been able to muster more than a few people to shout "Bollocks" or whatever the appropriate parliamentary procedure is. MPs are perfectly capable of conspiring, surely they weren't all secretly anti-Bercow but scared of retribution?

    I guess it depends a bit on the GE result.

    Some reports are suggesting the plan is to use this as a giveaway in Con / LD coalition negotiations - presumably the implication is that the Conservatives would let a Lib Dem be Speaker - not sure which Lib Dem might want it.

    But if the above is correct then it might be enough to get the whole Lib Dem parliamentary party to vote Bercow out.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    MikeL said:

    On topic, the rules change sounds fair enough. But do the anti-Bercow people have the votes to get rid of him under a secret ballot? The same reasons why the government and pro-government tub-thumpers don't like him are the reasons why a lot of MPs do, including a fair few Tories. Opponents could have had a vote last time if they'd been able to muster more than a few people to shout "Bollocks" or whatever the appropriate parliamentary procedure is. MPs are perfectly capable of conspiring, surely they weren't all secretly anti-Bercow but scared of retribution?

    I guess it depends a bit on the GE result.

    Some reports are suggesting the plan is to use this as a giveaway in Con / LD coalition negotiations - presumably the implication is that the Conservatives would let a Lib Dem be Speaker - not sure which Lib Dem might want it.

    But if the above is correct then it might be enough to get the whole Lib Dem parliamentary party to vote Bercow out.
    The question is can to LDs afford to spare one of their own for speaker after the rout they will no doubt suffer at the coming election.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    Trouble at home...?

    Nicola Sturgeon has been forced to reassert she is the SNP leader after Alex Salmond undermined her demands for propping up a minority Labour government after the general election.

    The First Minister insisted that her predecessor is merely a member of her “team” and “I’m leading the SNP campaign” after he said he would install Ed Miliband in Downing Street regardless of whether a power-sharing deal was reached.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11495619/Nicola-Sturgeon-Im-SNP-leader-not-Alex-Salmond.html

    Oh, wait, Eck swanning about drinking pink champagne and contradicting Nicola is all part of the masterplan.

    Riiiggghhhhtttttt...

    Once again the headline and the bits around Sturgeon's quotes don't actually match up with Sturgeon's quotes. The give away is that the article repeats the lie that Alex Salmond said he would support Labour unconditionally.

    Voting against the Tories does not equal unconditionally supporting Labour.
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