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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/

    Election forecast Mike :)
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/

    Election forecast Mike :)
    Or this
    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    I think, he will not be using the motorway system, but driving along country roads with long shadows on county cricket grounds, warm beer, invincible green suburbs, dog lovers and old maids bicycling through the morning mist.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/

    Election forecast Mike :)
    Or this
    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/

    Election forecast Mike :)
    Or this
    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
    Don't think the Lib Dems are going to do quite that badly - I also think there will be a route with the electoral calculus model too, certainly navigating the SW will be easier :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Yorkcity said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    I think, he will not be using the motorway system, but driving along country roads with long shadows on county cricket grounds, warm beer, invincible green suburbs, dog lovers and old maids bicycling through the morning mist.
    This prediction is extremely conpmatible with Ed becoming PM you do realise :P
  • Sky News seem absolutely possessed with the debates but that may be because they have the most to lose as they are due to hold the debate with David Cameron and Ed Miliband as far as I am aware
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited March 2015
    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited March 2015

    Sky News seem absolutely possessed with the debates but that may be because they have the most to lose as they are due to hold the debate with David Cameron and Ed Miliband as far as I am aware

    Yes Sky News are really pushing it.

    I think it was their impetuous decision that made them happen in 2010 ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    The Guardian reports on UKIPs prospects of establishing themselves as the main challenger to the incumbent in more than one hundred constituencies at the general election.

    Rob Ford said:

    Ford sees Ukip coming second to several shadow cabinet members including Ed Miliband in Doncaster North, Ed Balls in Morley and Outwood, Yvette Cooper in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford and Rachel Reeves in Leeds West.

    Like the SDP. Whatever happened to them ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    surbiton said:

    The Guardian reports on UKIPs prospects of establishing themselves as the main challenger to the incumbent in more than one hundred constituencies at the general election.

    Rob Ford said:

    Ford sees Ukip coming second to several shadow cabinet members including Ed Miliband in Doncaster North, Ed Balls in Morley and Outwood, Yvette Cooper in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford and Rachel Reeves in Leeds West.

    Like the SDP. Whatever happened to them ?
    They became the Liberal Democrats...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Surely, you can do it now !
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    The Guardian reports on UKIPs prospects of establishing themselves as the main challenger to the incumbent in more than one hundred constituencies at the general election.

    Rob Ford said:

    Ford sees Ukip coming second to several shadow cabinet members including Ed Miliband in Doncaster North, Ed Balls in Morley and Outwood, Yvette Cooper in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford and Rachel Reeves in Leeds West.

    Get the Tories onside in those areas and . . . Would be funny if David Cameron was the only party leader in Great Britain still in Parliament after the Election. (Other than the SNP).
  • RobbieBoxRobbieBox Posts: 28

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Are you a gambler or just another PB Tory fantastist
    It might be possible, after the 2010 election you could in theory walk from Cornwall to Scotland through Tory held seats, if the Lib/Dems collapse in the South-West then they might stretch all the way to Lands End.
    If there is a major collapse for Labour in Scotland's central belt, then it might be possible to continue your journey, through SNP held seats all the way to John O' Grouts.
    It would also depend on there still being a gap though the South Yorkshire/Greater Manchester/Merseyside areas, there is since 2010 but there wasn't between 1997 and 2005 although I don't know if the boundary changes between 2005 and 2010 would have made a difference.

  • Listening to Ed Miliband in Edinburgh today fail to rule out any form of coalition with the SNP and at the same time listening to David Cameron making the powerful argument against the propects of Ed M and Alex S working together it could become very toxic for labour. Also Ed Miliband talking in Scotland about ending austerity but in RUK paying down the deficit is unbelievable. He cannot have one message for Scotland and one for the RUK no matter how much he would like to.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    edited March 2015
    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon that after the next General Election one will be able to drive from Lands End to John O Groats and not pass through a single Labour or Lib Dem constituency :)

    Surely, you can do it now !
    Nope, you're forgetting about all those Scottish Labour seats:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/2010UKElectionMap.svg/2000px-2010UKElectionMap.svg.png

    Edit: and Camborne/Redruth in Cornwall.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    weejonnie said:

    The Guardian reports on UKIPs prospects of establishing themselves as the main challenger to the incumbent in more than one hundred constituencies at the general election.

    Rob Ford said:

    Ford sees Ukip coming second to several shadow cabinet members including Ed Miliband in Doncaster North, Ed Balls in Morley and Outwood, Yvette Cooper in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford and Rachel Reeves in Leeds West.

    Get the Tories onside in those areas and . . . Would be funny if David Cameron was the only party leader in Great Britain still in Parliament after the Election. (Other than the SNP).
    The SNP leader certainly won't be in parliament after the election. She's not standing.

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Danny565 said:

    Btw, what's happened to Audreyanne?

    I think she eloped with Socrates.
  • nu123 said:

    Many ethnic minority voters should be natural Conservatives but it will take time before they start voting for the party. Meanwhile they should be going doing all they can to attract these voters. Like having fewer people from Eton on the front bench and recognising how policies like taking passports away from citizens without trial looks quite bad.

    Are you suggesting ethnic minorities are particularly prone to classism?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,636
    Hello: I have a theory about what's likely to happen post the election. I call it "The Spanish Solution".

    Spain has proportional representation, and also has very strong regional parties in Catalonia and the Basque Country. The result is that - historically - the PP and the Socialists have typically got high 30s, low 40s, while the regionals (and the United Left) picked up the remainder.

    To avoid regional parties getting too much power, the PP and Socialists basically decided to offer their opponents "supply and confidence". The party with the highest number of votes therefore got to form the government. Obviously passing primary legislation required a broader coalition, but this allowed the function of the executive to carry on without reliance on/bribes to a regional party.

    Could we see the same thing happen after the May election?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015

    Sky News seem absolutely possessed with the debates but that may be because they have the most to lose as they are due to hold the debate with David Cameron and Ed Miliband as far as I am aware

    Millions of people tuning in compared to the one man and his dog that normally watch Sky News and big bucks to be had on advertising income, I think I would be pretty pi$$ed too if the rug got pulled from my nice shiny low cost high revenue cash cow.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    Nice summary, Stodge! Personally, think Ilford North could well turn red, but we'll see!

    BTW got another leaflet from Wes Streeting today, two weeks after the first. Last week, got two different ones on the same day from Lee Scott MP.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,363
    surbiton said:

    Dair said:

    The exit proposed by Nats while great at telling everyone else what they wanted ignored the fact those meant to grant Nats wishes didn't agree with the proposals.

    The Nats advanced no viable currency option their strategy being dictated by opportunism rather than economic need

    The Nats had no viable argument trading with their major partners. forgetting that they aren't just in one Union but two a british one and a European one and in both cases their former partners would be best advised to put their own interests first

    The Nats also ignored the basic of their economy and it's ability to absorb shocks. An overdependence of the energy sector leaves Scotland poorly placed to pay it's way. Scotland's other main hope of finanicial services suffers the same problem as the UK as a whole and would be even more impacted post Indy since Scotland doesn't have the scale to support its financial services in a global economy.

    So no currency, uncertain trading partners and an economy based on an unstable commodity I ask again how will you pay the bills ?

    As usual the Unionist argument is overblow very unlikely scenarios and then make up egative impact on rUK. Again we KNOW how the UK deals with this, we have seen it with the Dominions and with Ireland.

    As usual all you demonstrate is a weak understanding of both economics and politics.
    It actually does make a difference since there;s a difference in being in a currency union ( you own someone lses problems ) and being in your own. The bariiers are getting other people to agree that they want a Union with you. The only deliverable option is own currency which the SNP rejected.

    On trading blocs while the UK has been pragmatic as ever on trade, it is also part of a trading bloc the EU. The Nat assumption that they would just gain all the rights accrued to date doesn't stack up, UK opt outs would not apply to and Indy Scotland. Likewise agreements of fishing, financial services etc. would not apply to Scotland. So while trade will continue, it will not continue under the same condition and to the detriment of Scots

    So to put that in context Scotland's terms of trade with its partners will worsen.

    So again how do you pay your bills ?

    You can tell me when I get back from the pub,off out have a good evening.
    Scotland will survive like every other nation survives. They may have a few years of transitional difficulties but I cannot believe they will not be in EU one way or the other. Some kind of status will be given to them with all the rights they have now until they formally join again.
    Many thanks to you and #Dair for dealing with Mr Brooke while I was absent.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rcs1000 said:

    Hello: I have a theory about what's likely to happen post the election. I call it "The Spanish Solution".

    Spain has proportional representation, and also has very strong regional parties in Catalonia and the Basque Country. The result is that - historically - the PP and the Socialists have typically got high 30s, low 40s, while the regionals (and the United Left) picked up the remainder.

    To avoid regional parties getting too much power, the PP and Socialists basically decided to offer their opponents "supply and confidence". The party with the highest number of votes therefore got to form the government. Obviously passing primary legislation required a broader coalition, but this allowed the function of the executive to carry on without reliance on/bribes to a regional party.

    Could we see the same thing happen after the May election?

    Nobody expects the Spanish Solution. Its chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... its two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency...

    No devotion to the Pope, mind.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
  • On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    I've done something similar with Sunil.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    rcs1000 said:

    Hello: I have a theory about what's likely to happen post the election. I call it "The Spanish Solution".

    Spain has proportional representation, and also has very strong regional parties in Catalonia and the Basque Country. The result is that - historically - the PP and the Socialists have typically got high 30s, low 40s, while the regionals (and the United Left) picked up the remainder.

    To avoid regional parties getting too much power, the PP and Socialists basically decided to offer their opponents "supply and confidence". The party with the highest number of votes therefore got to form the government. Obviously passing primary legislation required a broader coalition, but this allowed the function of the executive to carry on without reliance on/bribes to a regional party.

    Could we see the same thing happen after the May election?

    Nobody expects the Spanish Solution. Its chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... its two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency...

    No devotion to the Pope, mind.
    Bring on the comfy chair!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited March 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Hello: I have a theory about what's likely to happen post the election. I call it "The Spanish Solution".

    Spanish Solution?

    No, you've got it all wrong! The Spanish Solution is what we railway enthusiasts call occurrences of two platforms serving the same track in direction of travel. One example in London are platforms 3 and 3a at Stratford, serving the westbound Central line. The original platform 3 lies to the north of the westbound track, built in 1946, while platform 3a was built on the southern side of the track as recently as 2010. Doors open on both sides of the train to enable passengers to alight/board via either platform.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_solution

    Picture taken by yours truly:
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1992_stock_st_Stratford_platform_3a_Sept2010.jpg

  • On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.

    For example I vote Tory in Sheffield Hallam, and Sunil votes Tory in Ilford North as part of our vote swapping deal.
  • Sky News seem absolutely possessed with the debates but that may be because they have the most to lose as they are due to hold the debate with David Cameron and Ed Miliband as far as I am aware

    Well I think its fairly obvious why Sky are pushing it. If the BBC or ITV have to empty chair David Cameron they still have 6 leaders to participate in their debate. Diminished certainly but still it could function as a meaningful debate. What have Sky got? An evening with Mr. Ed. I think I'd be motivated in such circumstances....
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Thanks to Stodge-there's a few for the popcorn.Bermondsey for some reason is not on the list.Hughes is part of my LD decapitation yankee with Clegg,Laws and the dead man walking Danny Alexander.
    Local information-Tory gain at 4-7 Taunton Deane looking nailed on so Tories can focus on Yeovil.Oliver Coppard activists flooding Sheffield Hallam.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,989

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    Thanks for the kind word, Mr Eagles, and ditto from Dr Sunil.

    I'm not so much about tips as value - I thought 9/2 for a Conservative win in Twickenham looked a spot of value. It's a big ask and with other west London marginals likely to be hard fought, it may be a step too much but I get a very strong sense from some of the Tory-inclined that defeating Vince might even be worth five years in Opposition under an Ed M Government - that's a tad Faustian for me.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    I've done something similar with Sunil.
    Will be moving to Ilford South....
  • If, and at this stage its a big if, Sky holds the Cameron v Miliband debate would Faisal Islam host it !!!!
  • If, and at this stage its a big if, Sky holds the Cameron v Miliband debate would Faisal Islam host it !!!!

    or Joey Jones
  • stodge said:

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    Thanks for the kind word, Mr Eagles, and ditto from Dr Sunil.

    I'm not so much about tips as value - I thought 9/2 for a Conservative win in Twickenham looked a spot of value. It's a big ask and with other west London marginals likely to be hard fought, it may be a step too much but I get a very strong sense from some of the Tory-inclined that defeating Vince might even be worth five years in Opposition under an Ed M Government - that's a tad Faustian for me.

    From what I've read, Vince Cables rubs Tories up the wrong way, whereas for example on a personal level, the Tories were gutted that the coalition lost Chris Huhne, because he was prepared to talk positive things the coalition has done.

    I backed the Tories in Twickenham a few weeks ago (so did Pulpstar) as an insurance, because as much as I admire Lord Ashcroft, we're placing a lot of faith on an untested methodology on constituency polling that is very hard to do.
  • On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    I've done something similar with Sunil.
    Will be moving to Ilford South....
    When?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Another week down. Another week closer to Ed being our PM.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Any TV company that has a debate and empty chairs the PM is akin to having a Madonna concert without Madonna and they know it..
    Cammo is the star turn..all of the others are the also rans
    Get lotsa popcorn in and watch them all twist and turn trying to do each other down.. lotta fun
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,636

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.

    For example I vote Tory in Sheffield Hallam, and Sunil votes Tory in Ilford North as part of our vote swapping deal.
    So, you're swapping a Tory vote for a... Tory vote...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited March 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.

    For example I vote Tory in Sheffield Hallam, and Sunil votes Tory in Ilford North as part of our vote swapping deal.
    So, you're swapping a Tory vote for a... Tory vote...
    Sunil was contemplating not voting Tory and I was going to vote tactically and vote for Clegg
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    You have a second home in Twickenham? Are there any rules on where you can vote? Does it have to be primary residence?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.

    For example I vote Tory in Sheffield Hallam, and Sunil votes Tory in Ilford North as part of our vote swapping deal.
    So, you're swapping a Tory vote for a... Tory vote...
    Location, location, location!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    IOS said:

    Another week down. Another week closer to Ed being our PM.

    Did you ever meet audreyanne, IOS? I could see a potential romance blossoming there over a shared love of algorithms.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    @OpiniumResearch: Opinium/Observer: #deadheat Lab 34% (-1), Con 34% (n/c), LibDem 8% (+2), UKIP 14% (n/c), Greens 7% (+1) http://t.co/LxGJVdrwp9

    Broken sleazy Labour on the slide?
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.

    For example I vote Tory in Sheffield Hallam, and Sunil votes Tory in Ilford North as part of our vote swapping deal.
    So, you're swapping a Tory vote for a... Tory vote...
    Sunil was contemplating not voting Tory and I was going to vote tactically and vote for Clegg
    I thought TSE was trying to catch me out, thanks for the explanation
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    You have a second home in Twickenham? Are there any rules on where you can vote? Does it have to be primary residence?
    Foxinsoxuk jr is on the register here in Leics as well as in Norwich, but he is only allowed to vote in one (Green in Norwich fwiw)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    rcs1000 said:

    Hello: I have a theory about what's likely to happen post the election. I call it "The Spanish Solution".

    Spain has proportional representation, and also has very strong regional parties in Catalonia and the Basque Country. The result is that - historically - the PP and the Socialists have typically got high 30s, low 40s, while the regionals (and the United Left) picked up the remainder.

    To avoid regional parties getting too much power, the PP and Socialists basically decided to offer their opponents "supply and confidence". The party with the highest number of votes therefore got to form the government. Obviously passing primary legislation required a broader coalition, but this allowed the function of the executive to carry on without reliance on/bribes to a regional party.

    Could we see the same thing happen after the May election?

    The problem with this is that the UK is not the English Empire.

    The Castillon Empire has specific laws stopping it being dissolved. The UK is a Union of two Nations which still retain their individual character and legitimacy. If the Loyalists tried this, it would likely lead to UDI. Your better bet would be Federalism - full Federalism.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Hey Neil,

    I didn't no. But despite the results roll in I am sure my argument of the ground game being where its at has now gained even a mainstream recognition. Although our useless press still doesn't really get it. .
  • If, and at this stage its a big if, Sky holds the Cameron v Miliband debate would Faisal Islam host it !!!!

    or Joey Jones
    Adam Boulton I suspect

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    If, and at this stage its a big if, Sky holds the Cameron v Miliband debate would Faisal Islam host it !!!!

    I would have thought the Big Bruiser.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2015

    Any TV company that has a debate and empty chairs the PM is akin to having a Madonna concert without Madonna and they know it..
    Cammo is the star turn..all of the others are the also rans
    Get lotsa popcorn in and watch them all twist and turn trying to do each other down.. lotta fun

    With the second debate, any empty chair would fill the screen for how long? They would have to move on quickly.

    A debate would follow that would be missing the key protagonist, where Clegg had to stand for the government (1 v 5) , and where Farage would be isolated on the right ( 1 v 5), but the left leaning groups would all merge into a blur but with the likes of the SNP calling Miliband out on his 'no-man's land' UK position.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    I've done something similar with Sunil.
    Will be moving to Ilford South....
    When?
    [TSE drops tray like in Blackadder]

    ...but not till after the Election!

    [Tray miraculously bounces back up into TSE's hands!]
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @richardDodd
    Dave the Diva with his list of conditions to be met before he will perform before his adoring public?
    Yes, that seems to fit.
    The masses must show respect before they can be entertained.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    Old Big Head did the Sky News debate last time.

    TBH, if no Cameron vs Miliband, I would pay for a PPV of Boulton vs Bad Al...
  • On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    I've done something similar with Sunil.
    Will be moving to Ilford South....
    When?
    [TSE drops tray like in Blackadder]

    ...but not till after the Election!

    [Tray miraculously bounces back up into TSE's hands!]
    Phew
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Smarmeron That,s the way it is babe.. get used to it..No show without the star performer.. all the rest are just supporting artistes..That,s showbiz for ya.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Neil said:

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

    I'll be the model of mildness and meekness....
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.
    What if one of the people involved doesn't keep their end of the bargain in the privacy of the polling booth though...
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Has the Poultry PM U-Turned yet or is he standing firm. STAND DAVE....STAND!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

    I'll be the model of mildness and meekness....
    You'll be drinking for the two of us!

  • Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Compouter Cockerels usually do stand
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited March 2015
    @richardDodd
    It is only the way it is in "Luvvyland" babes. Here in the real world we know bullshittery when we see it. we find it disgusting,while you and your friends lap it up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514

    Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    Just what we need more laws...
  • Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

    I'll be the model of mildness and meekness....
    You'll be drinking for the two of us!

    Will one of you two have a drink for me as well?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Compouter Cockerels usually do stand

    Couldn't have described Dave better myself.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Smarmeron Have a word with the resident millionaire PB luvvie Roger He will fill you in on the details
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @compouter2
    Lesser yellow bellied bald tit surely?
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Compouter Better a Cockerel than a well f%cked chicken like Ed
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Danny565 said:

    On topic, many thanks for this Stodge.

    Especially the Twickenham tip.

    I've been thinking this might be a winner for a while.

    I'll be voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote in Bedford for a vote there as have several people I know.

    Genuine question, how is that possible? Do you not have to be on the voters roll?
    It's more a vote trade.

    Mike votes x in Bedford, whilst Mike's friend votes Lib Dem in Twickenham.
    What if one of the people involved doesn't keep their end of the bargain in the privacy of the polling booth though...
    Thinking about this it is well out of order.

    People could be deprived of the local constituency MP they want because someone miles away is tactical voting, pretty tawdry stuff and someone as respected as Mike is in the political world should know better.

    He certainly should not have put his sordid plans into the public domain.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

    I'll be the model of mildness and meekness....
    You'll be drinking for the two of us!

    Oh, won't you be joining the party??
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    Milliband has now overplayed his hand.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @richardDodd
    Going to be interesting next time Dave uses the attack line "weak and cowardly" on Ed, it will really strike home.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @cjsnowdon: Is Ed Miliband seriously suggesting that it should be a crime not to debate him on TV?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    What an idiot.
  • Alistair said:

    Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    Milliband has now overplayed his hand.
    Ed Miliband focussing on the issues that matter to voters.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Smarmeron said:

    @compouter2
    Lesser yellow bellied bald tit surely?

    I thought that was IDS,or was it William Hague?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

    I'll be the model of mildness and meekness....
    You'll be drinking for the two of us!

    Oh, won't you be joining the party??
    Like most Irish people I have long standing and unchangeable plans for the evening of 17 March ;)
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Smarmeron.. Cockerels rule the roost ..chickens crowd into a corner and lay eggs then get f%cked some more
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @compouter2
    "Combover" Cameron is trying to avoid that look. (no one has noticed though)
    ;)
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Alistair said:

    Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    Milliband has now overplayed his hand.
    Ed Miliband focussing on the issues that matter to voters.
    Just another Milibandwagon. He can't see one without jumping on it. And he dares to complain that UKIP are popularist.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    Just what we need more laws...
    What do you have against David Laws? :)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @richardDodd
    Cockerels tend to end up in the soup when they are past it.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Labour considers its pledges:

    Fair income for all.

    A National health service.

    A working wage for a working man.

    TV debates for politicians.

    (Yeah, that'll bring out the voters.)

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    I hate to think how many laws Ed will pass if we get 10 years of him. He could make Gordo and his totally ineffective expansion of the tax rules look like small fry.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    As Ed's going to legislate to ensure party leaders have to appear in debates I think he should make watching them compulsory too.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Smarmeron You are quite right for once.. no one has noticed because no one gives a shit except hair obsessed morons..One of the greatest PM.s we ever had was as bald as a coot...Did you ever meet tim
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    What Ed should do is argue that the debates are an important part of the process and call Cameron frit and weak for not attending them and then in five years time, if he becomes PM, decide that he doesn't want them, they are an unnecessary distraction from the campaign and refuse to do them unless he gets them on his entirely own terms.

    I am sure the vast majority of posters on here will back him to the hilt if he did.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @MarkHopkins
    "(Yeah, that'll bring out the voters.)"
    Funny you should mention that, apparently it does
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/organgrinder/2011/feb/09/tv-leaders-debates-general-election
    :)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    JohnO said:

    Neil said:

    Is the drinks do still on tonight ?

    17th March?
    The one night of the year JohnO is guaranteed not to be the drunkest, shoutiest commuter on the train to Bournemouth.

    I'll be the model of mildness and meekness....
    You'll be drinking for the two of us!

    Oh, won't you be joining the party??
    Like most Irish people I have long standing and unchangeable plans for the evening of 17 March ;)
    Would that be celebrating the life of the famous British Saint? By a downing a few pints of London porter?

    ;-)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Once again I am overwhelmed by a vision of Nicola Murray and her team debating the Quiet Bat People.

    "I know. Let's make it illegal not to appear with Ed on TV!"
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Smarmeron Like all living creatures.. we all come to an end .
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Smarmeron said:

    @richardDodd
    Cockerels tend to end up in the soup when they are past it.

    Actually, they end up in other peoples soup. We export them, as we do with older hens. We are so rich that we wont eat the slightly tougher meat so they are packaged off to poorer countries. Countries that have to make do, unlike us.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Scott_P
    Save energy, just take the vote off anyone below 65?
  • Ed Miliband: I will pass new law to guarantee TV election debates

    Labour leader pledges to enshrine voters’ rights as he attacks ‘tawdry spectacle’ of prime minister avoiding discussion

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/07/ed-miliband-leaders-tv-debates-guarantee-law

    He cant help himself and he is in serious danger of looking juvenile and losing the argument. Doesnt he realise that if he became PM he has a country to run and not to be acting like the boss of a consumer body
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @notme
    You don't get out much these days do you?
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