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  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015

    SeanT said:

    This is a bit offtopic, but if anyone feels like supporting working class British photographic talent, maybe put a few quid to support this crowdfunding project.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1042194258/the-british-abroad-hardback-photo-book

    You get a signed copy of the book out of it, and the photographer is a genius, so the book could be worth more than you pay in the end.

    He also happens to be a friend of mine and I know that, despite being a World Press Award winner, and Getty photographer, he recently had to apply for a job at Tesco. He has a daughter to feed.

    Photography, like journalism and politics, is becoming a pleasant profession reserved for posh people with trust funds. It's a horrible evolution.

    Even more OT, his video shows there is a market for bookshelves that will take more than three books without bowing. Any furniture entrepreneurs out there?
    Been considering it, but its next to impossible to make a decent profit for the investment, if you make a good quality bookcase from hardwood in the UK, given the extortionate price of our wood stock, you are going to be spending £200 on the wood for oak, and its going to take 2-3 days to make, how much would you pay for the shelf ? £500 if it was spectacular, so £100/day profit excluding consumables and depreciation on machinery... you make more money cutting someone's lawn sadly.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    SeanT said:

    This is a bit offtopic, but if anyone feels like supporting working class British photographic talent, maybe put a few quid to support this crowdfunding project.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1042194258/the-british-abroad-hardback-photo-book

    You get a signed copy of the book out of it, and the photographer is a genius, so the book could be worth more than you pay in the end.

    He also happens to be a friend of mine and I know that, despite being a World Press Award winner, and Getty photographer, he recently had to apply for a job at Tesco. He has a daughter to feed.

    Photography, like journalism and politics, is becoming a pleasant profession reserved for posh people with trust funds. It's a horrible evolution.

    Even more OT, his video shows there is a market for bookshelves that will take more than three books without bowing. Any furniture entrepreneurs out there?

    Photographers face two problems: first, a lot of people and some picture editors can't immediately tell a good photo from bad; second, that anyone with a phone can take thousands of pictures and chance on one as good as a professional would have got first time. Monkeys, typewriters, Shakespeare.
    I honestly can't imagine trying to be a professional photographer. Mind you it's a skill, I've tried to get a decent photograph of the moon recently - it's bloody tough, just overexposed blobs so far.
  • Jonathan said:

    Cameron may be Prime Minister, but his absence from the debates shows that he is no leader.

    Why does Miliband not want a 'Magnificent Seven' debate? I gather that Mr Bean, Gordon Brittas and Alan Partridge have been 'prepping' Natalie Bennett by playing the parts of Miliband, Clegg and Farage. George Clooney flies in next week to help her with Cameron because Russell Crowe is too busy.
    Gordon Brittas?! That's a blast from the past! Great sitcom though.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    My understanding is that the Finance Bill will be published on 23 March. Debated on 25 March and enacted on 26 March. A Finance Act is required in March in order to collect Income Tax after 6 April.

    NIC legislation is not in the Finance Act, so any NIC changes would be a separate process.

    Committee stage? Report Stage?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    #tvdebates; Grant Shapps and Cameron all trending on twitter...

    I recently discovered that the "trending" thing you see on Twitter is mostly connected to the individual and their interests... A bit liken Google AdSense ad's are targeted to the individual...
    #WorldBookDay
    #tvdebates
    #IndiasDaughter
    #ThanksZane
    #WorstBossIn5Words
    Cisse
    Cameron
    Grant Shapps
    Evans
    Winston Reid

    I've got right now

    What do you have
    I have EXACTLY the same so I'd suggest trending topics aren't tailored: they really are the trending topics (for the city/region/country you have selected).
    Tailoring your twitter trends (Which you can do) won't give an accurate indication of the centre-left thoughts.

    Cameron getting slaughtered in the Daily Mail comments which I gauge as a sort of centre-right indicator.
    The Daily Mail comments are the Daily Mail, they will slaughter everybody...

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    Having your leader avoid the debates, and I guess as Blair did it too, it applies to both sides, is like a player for your team diving to win a penalty

    You get the outcome that benefits your team but you look extremely foolish trying to defend what he did to get it, and it would reflect far better on you if you admitted they were playing a snide move

    Usual Cameron defenders TSE and JackW at least have called it as it is
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Indigo said:

    Jonathan said:

    Cameron may be Prime Minister, but his absence from the debates shows that he is no leader.

    He's not a leader, he's a manager, big difference.

    A leader stands at the front and says "Come on lads, follow me!"
    A manager stands at the back and says "Off you go lads, they're over there!"

    Your analogy is hopeless. Where was Eisenhower on D-Day? On the eve of D-Day he was in fact shaking the hands of US paratroops who were about to he believed suffer 50% casualties 'over there'.

    What Eisenhower did do of course was make decisions. Thats what leaders do. He did not actually make the plans for D-Day - he agreed them and took the biggest decision of all when the whole thing might have been called off, he decided (he - his responsibility) he decided to 'go' - or rather as you would say, ''Off you go lads, they're over there!"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    #tvdebates; Grant Shapps and Cameron all trending on twitter...

    I recently discovered that the "trending" thing you see on Twitter is mostly connected to the individual and their interests... A bit liken Google AdSense ad's are targeted to the individual...
    #WorldBookDay
    #tvdebates
    #IndiasDaughter
    #ThanksZane
    #WorstBossIn5Words
    Cisse
    Cameron
    Grant Shapps
    Evans
    Winston Reid

    I've got right now

    What do you have
    I have EXACTLY the same so I'd suggest trending topics aren't tailored: they really are the trending topics (for the city/region/country you have selected).
    Tailoring your twitter trends (Which you can do) won't give an accurate indication of the centre-left thoughts.

    Cameron getting slaughtered in the Daily Mail comments which I gauge as a sort of centre-right indicator.
    The Daily Mail comments are the Daily Mail, they will slaughter everybody...

    Too fat, too thin, too ugly, ....
  • EastwingerEastwinger Posts: 354
    Pulpstar said:

    Smart line from Farron:

    Tim Farron ‏@timfarron 2 hrs2 hours ago
    If Cameron won't step up and debate with Miliband - @nick_clegg will. Right, so broadcasters, let's make this happen.

    Clegg would probably win in a debate with Miliband, and that's something Labour really want to avoid - the Lib Dem poll ratings can only go one way with this sort of "event"

    As I said weeks ago, there won't be any debates.

    There is no mileage for Milliband in any debate without Cameron. The last thing he needs is to face Farrage and Clegg on his own.

    If Cameron doesn't appear, neither will Ed.

  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    Cameron is a PR man, a slippery customer and hopeless at details. But I'll forgive him the last one. A PM doesn't need to be a details man, it's judgement that's most important. All the details you need are readily available.

    Gordon and Ed are details men. All tactics and no strategy. But their judgement ...

    Ed - let's go big on anti-austerity, cost-of-living, and freezing fuel prices. Oh, and let's tell the Scots what's good for them. That should work well.

    Cameron's judgement isn't great but he's being compared to a plonker of the highest order.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,550
    Indigo said:

    My understanding is that the Finance Bill will be published on 23 March. Debated on 25 March and enacted on 26 March. A Finance Act is required in March in order to collect Income Tax after 6 April.

    NIC legislation is not in the Finance Act, so any NIC changes would be a separate process.

    Committee stage? Report Stage?
    All on 25 March.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015

    Indigo said:

    Jonathan said:

    Cameron may be Prime Minister, but his absence from the debates shows that he is no leader.

    He's not a leader, he's a manager, big difference.

    A leader stands at the front and says "Come on lads, follow me!"
    A manager stands at the back and says "Off you go lads, they're over there!"

    Your analogy is hopeless. Where was Eisenhower on D-Day? On the eve of D-Day he was in fact shaking the hands of US paratroops who were about to he believed suffer 50% casualties 'over there'.

    What Eisenhower did do of course was make decisions. Thats what leaders do. He did not actually make the plans for D-Day - he agreed them and took the biggest decision of all when the whole thing might have been called off, he decided (he - his responsibility) he decided to 'go' - or rather as you would say, ''Off you go lads, they're over there!"
    If I had changed the word "Cameron" to "Miliband" you would have agreed with me completely, your partisan blinkers make it completely pointless debating you.

    Where was General Omar Bradley on D-Day ?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Pulpstar said:

    Smart line from Farron:

    Tim Farron ‏@timfarron 2 hrs2 hours ago
    If Cameron won't step up and debate with Miliband - @nick_clegg will. Right, so broadcasters, let's make this happen.

    Clegg would probably win in a debate with Miliband, and that's something Labour really want to avoid - the Lib Dem poll ratings can only go one way with this sort of "event"

    Clegg has said he'd be perfectly happy to defend the government's record if Cameron won't which rather suggests he doesn't understand why the Lib Dem poll rating is where it is.
    If anyone needs a 'game changer' in personal image more than Miliband its Clegg - which is why Miliband wouldn't do a head to head with him....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Farage is the big worry for Dave methinks in all this.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,363

    On the debates, the broadcasters messed up when they included the Greens. The broadcasters should have offered the following based on Ofcom's major party status:

    An England/Wales/Scotland debate on the economy and taxes - Con/Lab/LD
    An England/Wales/Scotland debate on foreign policy - Con/Lab/LD
    An England only debate on domestic issues - Con/Lab/LD/UKIP
    A Wales only debate on devolved issues - Con/Lab/LD/UKIP/Plaid
    A Scotland only debate on devolved issues - Con/Lab/LD/SNP
    A single Northern Ireland debate - DUP/UUP/SF/SDLP/Alliance

    They then should have been legally secure enough to empty chair any leaders who wouldn't agree. Also by following Ofcom guidance it sets a precedent for 2020 and beyond.

    Surely completely unacceptable, as that claims that the SNP, PC, etc. are only allowed to comment on devolved issues. Which is looking a most unlikely outcome of May.
  • Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited March 2015
    Artist said:

    Farage would have a good chance of winning the seven person debate...

    That will be Nigel Farage, the leader of U-TURN?

    Right.....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Cameron is neither a leader, nor a manager.
    Interestingly Osborne is both.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Pulpstar said:

    Farage is the big worry for Dave methinks in all this.

    Which would suggest a one on one debate with Ed should suit him as Farage won't be there. Yet it's fairly clear Dave doesn't want that. It's Miliband he's worried about. Listen to Allegra Stratton on Newsnight yesterday. Miliband isn't as bad as people think he is. And Cameron knows it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015

    Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.

    You forget, 1997-2010 the only thing your average Beeboid remembers is the Iraq War, everything else didn't happen and the problems we face today were all caused by decisions made in the 1980s.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    edited March 2015

    Polruan said:

    Cameron being empty-chaired in the head-to-head seems very unlikely (though it would be great).

    What is not completely impossible (though probably still not likely) is Cameron being empty-chaired in the second 7-way. Also they could change the last debate to have Miliband and somebody else.

    The Tories would love that to happen. It creates a narrative along the lines of "watch the kids playing at being politicians while the PM gets on with the REAL job". Essentially it would diminish the perception of Miliband as the alternative PM, whereas a head-to-head with Cameron would enhance it.
    Even by the very low standards of PB Tory mouthpieces your
    feeble analysis is particularly woeful

    So an opposition leader during an ELECTION campaign wanting to
    debate the issues is "playing a being a politician" while the PM gets
    on with the" real job"

    But surely the PMs "job" in April as he will actually have called the election asking to
    be allowed to continue is to explain why he deserves this and
    try and counter his opponents arguments to the contrary

    Isnt that called democracy? and being a LEADER?

    Two things Dave knows nowt about as we say in Yorkshire

    F*** me, it really is true that anyone can be accused of being a PB Tory. I know I've not posted much recently.... but seriously...

    Any PB Tories here happy to disown me? I have a reputation to maintain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    Jonathan said:

    Cameron is neither a leader, nor a manager.
    Interestingly Osborne is both.

    What makes you think Osborne is a leader? He has the nickname of The Submarine for a good reason.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh · 1m1 minute ago
    Nigel Farage tells Loose Women Ukip will win "more than a handful" of seats in May.."Double figures"

    MikeK will be disappointed at his lack of ambition.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,363
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    The whole thing is a complete clusterf*ck, who ever wins next time needs to task OFCOM with coming up with some concrete published rules on who gets into the debates and on what basis, early in the parliament, so that everyone knows what they are aiming for next time around. Something simple and measurable which the public (or at least the engaged part of the public) can understand.

    Won't work.

    If the rules had been set in 2010 or 2011, the kippers would be defenestrated and heading for court.

    In 5 years time the SNP might be the opposition...
    Why 5 years, please? We're being told up here that if the SNP win May's election, Labour and the Tories will form a coalition to keep the nasty Scots down - which would have exactly that effect.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015
    Polruan said:

    Polruan said:

    Cameron being empty-chaired in the head-to-head seems very unlikely (though it would be great).

    What is not completely impossible (though probably still not likely) is Cameron being empty-chaired in the second 7-way. Also they could change the last debate to have Miliband and somebody else.

    The Tories would love that to happen. It creates a narrative along the lines of "watch the kids playing at being politicians while the PM gets on with the REAL job". Essentially it would diminish the perception of Miliband as the alternative PM, whereas a head-to-head with Cameron would enhance it.
    Even by the very low standards of PB Tory mouthpieces your
    feeble analysis is particularly woeful

    So an opposition leader during an ELECTION campaign wanting to
    debate the issues is "playing a being a politician" while the PM gets
    on with the" real job"

    But surely the PMs "job" in April as he will actually have called the election asking to
    be allowed to continue is to explain why he deserves this and
    try and counter his opponents arguments to the contrary

    Isnt that called democracy? and being a LEADER?

    Two things Dave knows nowt about as we say in Yorkshire

    F*** me, it really is true that anyone can be accused of being a PB Tory. I know I've not posted much recently.... but seriously...

    Any PB Tories here happy to disown me? I have a reputation to maintain.
    Everyone on the list appears to be to the right of our friend Coolagorna, presumably that makes everyone a PBTory to him.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited March 2015
    Polruan said:

    Polruan said:

    Cameron being empty-chaired in the head-to-head seems very unlikely (though it would be great).

    What is not completely impossible (though probably still not likely) is Cameron being empty-chaired in the second 7-way. Also they could change the last debate to have Miliband and somebody else.

    The Tories would love that to happen. It creates a narrative along the lines of "watch the kids playing at being politicians while the PM gets on with the REAL job". Essentially it would diminish the perception of Miliband as the alternative PM, whereas a head-to-head with Cameron would enhance it.
    Even by the very low standards of PB Tory mouthpieces your
    feeble analysis is particularly woeful

    So an opposition leader during an ELECTION campaign wanting to
    debate the issues is "playing a being a politician" while the PM gets
    on with the" real job"

    But surely the PMs "job" in April as he will actually have called the election asking to
    be allowed to continue is to explain why he deserves this and
    try and counter his opponents arguments to the contrary

    Isnt that called democracy? and being a LEADER?

    Two things Dave knows nowt about as we say in Yorkshire

    F*** me, it really is true that anyone can be accused of being a PB Tory. I know I've not posted much recently.... but seriously...

    Any PB Tories here happy to disown me? I have a reputation to maintain.
    Even charming lefties are welcome in Dave's Big Tent...
  • Hengists_GiftHengists_Gift Posts: 628
    edited March 2015

    On the debates, the broadcasters messed up when they included the Greens. The broadcasters should have offered the following based on Ofcom's major party status:

    An England/Wales/Scotland debate on the economy and taxes - Con/Lab/LD
    An England/Wales/Scotland debate on foreign policy - Con/Lab/LD
    An England only debate on domestic issues - Con/Lab/LD/UKIP
    A Wales only debate on devolved issues - Con/Lab/LD/UKIP/Plaid
    A Scotland only debate on devolved issues - Con/Lab/LD/SNP
    A single Northern Ireland debate - DUP/UUP/SF/SDLP/Alliance

    They then should have been legally secure enough to empty chair any leaders who wouldn't agree. Also by following Ofcom guidance it sets a precedent for 2020 and beyond.


    Why would you exclude the regional parties or UKIP from the debates on the economy and Foreign policy? That sounds desperately like elitist prejudice if you ask me. How can you justify a party polling 5% inclusion when parties polling significantly more or who will win far more seats or be second in far more seats are excluded. Yes you can regionalise the domestic debates but you only have two choices with the federal (UK) debate. Either keep it to the parties with major party status or open it to all the parties and given what is happening in Scotland the argument strongly supports the latter option.

    PS UKIP arguably could be included in the NI debate as well (they have assembly representation)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Farage is the big worry for Dave methinks in all this.

    Of course he is!

    If UKIP hadn't got major party status, the debates would have gone ahead exacly as last time with the OFCOM ruling cited as the justification.

    Farage has just gone on Loose Women, said he spends 5 hours a day in the pub, never sees his wife or children, doesn't take the kids to school, never changed a nappy and they were eating out of his hand..

    Cameron would have said what he thought they wanted to hear and bored the hell out of them.. thats the difference, and that's why he wont debate Farage
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015
    Charles said:

    Polruan said:

    Polruan said:

    Cameron being empty-chaired in the head-to-head seems very unlikely (though it would be great).

    What is not completely impossible (though probably still not likely) is Cameron being empty-chaired in the second 7-way. Also they could change the last debate to have Miliband and somebody else.

    The Tories would love that to happen. It creates a narrative along the lines of "watch the kids playing at being politicians while the PM gets on with the REAL job". Essentially it would diminish the perception of Miliband as the alternative PM, whereas a head-to-head with Cameron would enhance it.
    Even by the very low standards of PB Tory mouthpieces your
    feeble analysis is particularly woeful

    So an opposition leader during an ELECTION campaign wanting to
    debate the issues is "playing a being a politician" while the PM gets
    on with the" real job"

    But surely the PMs "job" in April as he will actually have called the election asking to
    be allowed to continue is to explain why he deserves this and
    try and counter his opponents arguments to the contrary

    Isnt that called democracy? and being a LEADER?

    Two things Dave knows nowt about as we say in Yorkshire

    F*** me, it really is true that anyone can be accused of being a PB Tory. I know I've not posted much recently.... but seriously...

    Any PB Tories here happy to disown me? I have a reputation to maintain.
    Even charming lefties are welcome in Dave's Big Tent...
    That has been apparent for a while, it's the lack of righties in the Conservative Party at the moment which is more of a worry.
  • Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.

    You forget, 1997-2010 the only thing your average Beeboid remembers is the Iraq War, everything else didn't happen and the problems we face today were all caused by decisions made in the 1980s.
    Sorry Francis, I forgot that BBC editorial policy borrowed from the Guardian.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.

    You forget, 1997-2010 the only thing your average Beeboid remembers is the Iraq War, everything else didn't happen and the problems we face today were all caused by decisions made in the 1980s.
    Sorry Francis, I forgot that BBC editorial policy borrowed from the Guardian.
    By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. ­Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on ­running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’.
    - Peter Sissons
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Isam,

    "Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women."

    I hope they're not sluts.

    I suspect the Ukip polling will drift a little for another month and then pick up again when they get exposure during the campaign proper.

    I suspect my debut £1 political bet with you is a loser. Happy to give money to an animal charity but can I choose an edible animal variety?

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @coolagoma

    'Isnt that called democracy?'

    Just like consulting the 'little people' to see if they wish to remain in the EU.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited March 2015
    I can only conclude Lucy Powell is a Tory plant

    @BBCNormanS: Ed Miliband is prepared to take part in a head to head debate on his own says @LucyMPowell #wato
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    "Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women."

    I hope they're not sluts.

    They have about 2 million viewers in the lunch time daily slot.

  • Pulpstar said:

    Smart line from Farron:

    Tim Farron ‏@timfarron 2 hrs2 hours ago
    If Cameron won't step up and debate with Miliband - @nick_clegg will. Right, so broadcasters, let's make this happen.

    Clegg would probably win in a debate with Miliband, and that's something Labour really want to avoid - the Lib Dem poll ratings can only go one way with this sort of "event"

    As I said weeks ago, there won't be any debates.
    There is no mileage for Milliband in any debate without Cameron. The last thing he needs is to face Farrage and Clegg on his own.
    If Cameron doesn't appear, neither will Ed.
    It will be good for Miliband and Clegg to appear in the debate/s because it will give the voters a chance to see people who will not be appearing on their own parties leaflets.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015

    I can only conclude Lucy Powell is a Tory plant

    @BBCNormanS: Ed Miliband is prepared to take part in a head to head debate on his own says @LucyMPowell #wato

    Would be interesting to see the viewing figures if this did indeed happen. :smiley:
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706

    Jonathan said:

    Cameron is neither a leader, nor a manager.
    Interestingly Osborne is both.

    What makes you think Osborne is a leader? He has the nickname of The Submarine for a good reason.
    More than most he has set the political weather for the past 10 years.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Pulpstar said:

    Smart line from Farron:

    Tim Farron ‏@timfarron 2 hrs2 hours ago
    If Cameron won't step up and debate with Miliband - @nick_clegg will. Right, so broadcasters, let's make this happen.

    Clegg would probably win in a debate with Miliband, and that's something Labour really want to avoid - the Lib Dem poll ratings can only go one way with this sort of "event"

    As I said weeks ago, there won't be any debates.
    There is no mileage for Milliband in any debate without Cameron. The last thing he needs is to face Farrage and Clegg on his own.
    If Cameron doesn't appear, neither will Ed.
    It will be good for Miliband and Clegg to appear in the debate/s because it will give the voters a chance to see people who will not be appearing on their own parties leaflets.
    I believe Scottish voters will be more than familiar with Mr Miliband's appearance :D

  • Indigo said:

    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    "Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women."

    I hope they're not sluts.

    They have about 2 million viewers in the lunch time daily slot.

    Nah, around 700k to 1 million.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Cameron is neither a leader, nor a manager.
    Interestingly Osborne is both.

    What makes you think Osborne is a leader? He has the nickname of The Submarine for a good reason.
    More than most he has set the political weather for the past 10 years.
    Osborne (and Lynton) are supposedly the one's telling Cam to get out of the debates at all costs...
  • I can only conclude Lucy Powell is a Tory plant

    @BBCNormanS: Ed Miliband is prepared to take part in a head to head debate on his own says @LucyMPowell #wato

    WIll he use a mirror to debate with or will a cardboard cutout of himself suffice?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,848
    edited March 2015

    Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.

    That's rich. America funded the Mujahadeen (Al Qaeda) in the 80's, they work hand in glove with the two major sponsors of terror Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and they're in the process of training thousands more islamic militants (but don't worry, they will definitely, definitely be nice ones this time) with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, who will no doubt be on the first Easyjet back to Blighty when things turn sour for them in Syria. And we should aparently be grateful that they bang a few up?
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    If I were the PM of any party I would say "Stuff the debates".
    .Absolutely nothing to gain for the incumbent who has been asked questions almost every week of his term of office.If the opposition have not taken the opportunity to find out what his policies are then it is they who have failed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Cameron is neither a leader, nor a manager.
    Interestingly Osborne is both.

    What makes you think Osborne is a leader? He has the nickname of The Submarine for a good reason.
    More than most he has set the political weather for the past 10 years.
    That isn't the same as being a leader. Plenty of people would say that Bad Al set the political weather for a similar length of time and one thing he most definitely isn't is a leader.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    "Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women."

    I hope they're not sluts.

    They have about 2 million viewers in the lunch time daily slot.

    Nah, around 700k to 1 million.
    Meh, teach me to skim the figures, the 2m was for a special show, 1m usually. Even so, a useful audience, and reaching the parts other politicians tend to try and avoid.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    Two things Dave knows nowt about as we say in Yorkshire

    Do you own greyhounds?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015

    Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.

    That's rich. America funded the Mujahadeen (Al Qaeda) in the 80's, they work hand in glove with the two major sponsors of terror Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and they're in the process of training thousands more islamic militants (but don't worry, they will definitely, definitely be nice ones this time) with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, who will no doubt be on the first Easyjet back to Blighty when things turn sour for them in Syria. And we should aparently be grateful that they bang a few up?
    I think we should speak softly there, our intelligence partners talk about Londistan for a reason.
  • Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    "Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women."

    I hope they're not sluts.

    They have about 2 million viewers in the lunch time daily slot.

    Nah, around 700k to 1 million.
    Meh, teach me to skim the figures, the 2m was for a special show, 1m usually. Even so, a useful audience, and reaching the parts other politicians tend to try and avoid.
    He should go on the Jeremy Kyle Show
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    edited March 2015
    In response to Peter_the_Punter:-

    "I very much prefer Rich Tea to Digestives, and am deeply offended when served the latter in preference to the former."



    Dear me: were I offered a Rich Tea biscuit I'd be most upset.

    I'm rather hoping that I'll be offered one of these cheese and Jammie Dodger combos.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    CD13 said:

    Isam,

    "Farage going down a storm and UKIPs immigration policy roundly applauded on Loose Women."

    I hope they're not sluts.

    I suspect the Ukip polling will drift a little for another month and then pick up again when they get exposure during the campaign proper.

    I suspect my debut £1 political bet with you is a loser. Happy to give money to an animal charity but can I choose an edible animal variety?

    Erm.. RSPCA will do!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Hi all. Back in Blighty again after a brief break. Anything happened while I was away? ;)
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  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Labour MP Lucy Powell complaining on BBC WATO prog about the failure of CPS to prosecute Abid Naseer who has just been found guilty in USA. Naseer was arrested in 2009 by Manchester police but the CPS decided they were unable to act and the matter was left to the USA as our wonderful CPS decided that there was "insufficient evidence". CPS had in their file a coded email from Abid to a known terrorist operative but that was not enough. The USA court decided that was "suspicious" when it said "Hi buddy".... including "terrorism against british people".....

    Why does Lucy Powell not just ask the Labour PPC for Holborn Keir Starmer as he was in charge of the CPS until Nov 2013? Nevermind, if we get a Labour Govt Keir Starmer can turn up as a Minister setting legal policy........ The BBC forget to ask Keir about it all.

    Thank God for America.

    That's rich. America funded the Mujahadeen (Al Qaeda) in the 80's, they work hand in glove with the two major sponsors of terror Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and they're in the process of training thousands more islamic militants (but don't worry, they will definitely, definitely be nice ones this time) with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, who will no doubt be on the first Easyjet back to Blighty when things turn sour for them in Syria. And we should aparently be grateful that they bang a few up?
    the UK is also making hefty profits selling arms to those fans of discreet non-youtube beheading in Saudi, aren't they?
  • Cyclefree said:

    In resposponse to Peter_the_Punter:-

    "I very much prefer Rich Tea to Digestives, and am deeply offended when served the latter in preference to the former."



    Dear me: were I offered a Rich Tea biscuit I'd be most upset.

    I'm rather hoping that I'll be offered one of these cheese and Jammie Dodger combos.

    Why is my good name being sullied in connection with this ancient miscreant?

    Anyway, important information.....

    Most of the firms are NRNB for Cheltenham now. The Champion Hurdle is the straight eight and they'll pay out 1/4 odds on the first three even if one withdraws. The New One is going backwards and the Fly won't beat Jezki around Cheltenham. It's been specifically trained all year for this one race. It may not beat Faugheen and Arctic Fire is a real danger at big odds but I cannot see Jezki being out of the first three and it may well win again. (Personally I think Faugheen's jumping is less than totally convincing but I may be proved wrong.)

    Back it at 89/2 now. It will be shorter on the day.

    You going?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited March 2015
    Richard Rogers retweeted
    UKIPSupporter ‏@SuffolkCoast15 23m23 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage just reached an audience of thousands of women who watch @loosewomen and I feel he probably won over many brilliant move
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