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AlastairMeeks

The most irksome aspect of the various political sleaze stories is not the sheer unambitiousness of the avarice shown by the errant politicians, but the annoyance we will get in a week's time from political insiders complaining that the public get their poor perception of politicians from a few rotten apples. The supply of rotten apples seems inexhaustible.

TheScreamingEagles

What makes Sir Malcolm a real issue, that unlike Jack Straw, is that he has a real, proper job.

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

He'll have to quit that, I expect

On the positive side for some, looks like the uber safe Tory seat of Kensington is about to become available for a SPAD

Scrapheap_as_was

Evenly balanced prats at the moment.

Speedy

The other big question for tonight (apart from the polling impact) is are there others to be unveiled?

Goodnight.

FrancisUrquhart

Speedy said:

The other big question for tonight (apart from the polling impact) is are there others to be unveiled?

Goodnight.

I highly doubt they are the only ones (unless MP's are a lot less money grabbing than a few years ago). Last time they approached about 15-20 MPs I think and got (I think) 9 to bite to some degree.

RobD

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

dr_spyn

Scott_P said:

@TimGatt: Jack Straw on Byers, Hewitt + Hoon in 2010: "There's anger...and incredulity about their stupidity...getting suckered by a sting like this"

Cab no 2010 Steve Byers said - money for nothing, God helps those who help themselves, but God help those who help themselves and get caught.

FrancisUrquhart

@robindbrantsir malcolm rifkind has told me he would've been happy to say what he said in this undercover filming in a channel 4 interview, and adds..

@robindbrant...he was not offering to get information that was secret or not publically available

@robindbrantsir malcolm also claimed there are numerous errors in the telegraph report


There is only two problems with this...One should he be offering to do this in the first place given his position and really companies are willing to pay £1000's per day for info that is in the public domain?

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

glw

TheScreamingEagles said:

What makes Sir Malcolm a real issue, that unlike Jack Straw, is that he has a real, proper job.

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and apparently a total bloody idiot.

Peter_the_Punter

Rossenshaw was always a stiff task for Labour and I suppose it just got a bit stiffer.

I took some 1/2 on the Tories. Will probably be 4/9 tomorrow. Young Will may be innocent but a little mud is likely to stick.

Otherwise, looks like a score draw, with marginal benefits to UKIP, Greens, SNP, MRLP etc.

Nite all.

FrancisUrquhart

glw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

What makes Sir Malcolm a real issue, that unlike Jack Straw, is that he has a real, proper job.

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and apparently a total bloody idiot.

Unable or unwilling for himself or a lacky to spend 10 mins to check if this Chinese company were real or not. First thing I would do if approached by anybody at anytime as an MP, even if I wasn't going to do anything dodgy...more out of fear of being spoofed.

Sean_F

antifrank said:

The most irksome aspect of the various political sleaze stories is not the sheer unambitiousness of the avarice shown by the errant politicians, but the annoyance we will get in a week's time from political insiders complaining that the public get their poor perception of politicians from a few rotten apples. The supply of rotten apples seems inexhaustible.

I'm not sure I agree. Labour MP's tend to be grubbily venial, forging electricians' receipts, fiddling a hew thousand here and there. But, Tory MP's are flamboyantly wicked, billing the taxpayer for their moats, helipads, and duck houses.

TheScreamingEagles

glw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

What makes Sir Malcolm a real issue, that unlike Jack Straw, is that he has a real, proper job.

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and apparently a total bloody idiot.

My mistake, he's Chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committee.

RobD

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

What makes Sir Malcolm a real issue, that unlike Jack Straw, is that he has a real, proper job.

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and apparently a total bloody idiot.

Unable or unwilling for himself or a lacky to spend 10 mins to check if this Chinese company were real or not.

You'd think he'd be able to have the spooks do him a favour and check them out.

Danny565

Seems a bit of a weak sauce "scandal".

Speedy

Last post on this nice little scandal, something that is fitting with the atmosphere of these past few weeks:

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 14m14 minutes ago
Banks, papers, politicians ... entire british establishment seems to be in some sort of cannibalistic feast.

Cue Bach for a nice pompous soundtrack on the messy scandals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdfI8NOZvmY

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Neil

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

He'll have to quit that, I expect

Isnt the Yeo precedent to temporarily step aside (before being deselected, maybe not a route Nuala would favour!)?

Can anyone summarise what he is meant to have done yet? Or is any form of paid lobbying a no-no for former foreign secretaries?

MP_SE

Will they both have to resign or can they carry on as MPs?

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

FrancisUrquhart

Interesting how this will play out in the sense of think back to HSBC account holders. Fink shouted from the rooftops at being innocent, media spotlight on him, Lord Paul, no comment, media ignored him.

Straw is basically saying hands up, I refer myself to be judged...Rifkind is saying I am innocent.

TGOHF

MP_SE said:

Will they both have to resign or can they carry on as MPs?

Have they done anything wrong ?

Richard_Nabavi

Looks pretty small beer, to be perfectly frank. No votes will change hands on the basis of a couple of old-timers boasting about their contacts.

Casino_Royale

Don't these cretins ever learn?

TheScreamingEagles

Neil said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

He'll have to quit that, I expect

Isnt the Yeo precedent to temporarily step aside (before being deselected, maybe not a route Nuala would favour!)?

Can anyone summarise what he is meant to have done yet? Or is any form of paid lobbying a no-no for former foreign secretaries?

In a second meeting, Sir Malcolm suggested that he would be willing to write to ministers on behalf of the company without declaring the name of the firm.

Sir Malcolm’s offer to write to ministers without “nam[ing] who was asking” is likely to cause concern because of the rules governing interests when communicating with ministers or officials.

Sir Alistair said it would be a “clear breach of the code of conduct if he’s not explaining that he’s acting as a consultant on behalf of a particular company when he’s seeking information”.

dr_spyn

Has the going rate for MPs' access risen to keep pace with inflation?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/davidhughes/100031050/jack-straws-woeful-performance-over-labours-lobbying-scandal/

David Hughes' article might raise a few knowing smiles.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Lovely

Tim_B

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Lovely

Blame Neil, he suggested it one night.

oxfordsimon

Richard_Nabavi said:

Looks pretty small beer, to be perfectly frank. No votes will change hands on the basis of a couple of old-timers boasting about their contacts.

Couldn't agree more

Danny565

If they're not ministers anymore, and so not in a position to actually make partial decisions in favour of the people they're advising, I don't see what the issue is.

RobD

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

MikeK

As we see, there is really no difference between Labour and Tory: UKIP has been saying this all along.

matt lilleker ‏@mlilleker 35m35 minutes ago
Jack Straw & Malcolm Rifkind to star in tomorrows Dispatches #CashForAccess

Flightpath

TheScreamingEagles said:

What makes Sir Malcolm a real issue, that unlike Jack Straw, is that he has a real, proper job.

He's Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

He'll have to quit that, I expect

On the positive side for some, looks like the uber safe Tory seat of Kensington is about to become available for a SPAD

He says he has said nothing he would not have repeated in an outside public interview if asked about the same subjects.
They both earn and disclose outside money. There is no rule to say a committee chairman cannot. If someone is lobbying they should disclose it according to the rules.

TheScreamingEagles

@faisalislam: Dispatches/ telegraph wrote to 12 MPs with offer from fictitious chinese comoany ... Six no response...One replied "not for sale"... Own up!

Tim_B

Danny565 said:

If they're not ministers anymore, and so not in a position to actually make partial decisions in favour of the people they're advising, I don't see what the issue is.

Money for access - here it's known as a campaign contribution.

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

@faisalislam: Dispatches/ telegraph wrote to 12 MPs with offer from fictitious chinese comoany ... Six no response...One replied "not for sale"... Own up!

LOL..."Not for Sale"...I presume that MP has learned to use the interwebs!! So that leaves another 3 that responded to some extent.

Compared to last time, seems like they have managed to entrap a lot less.

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@faisalislam: Dispatches/ telegraph wrote to 12 MPs with offer from fictitious chinese comoany ... Six no response...One replied "not for sale"... Own up!

LOL..."Not for Sale"...I presume that MP has learned to use the interwebs!!

So that leaves another 3 that responded to some extent.

I have a hunch that MP is Jacob Rees-Mogg, well I hope it is.

Seems sooo him

Richard_Nabavi

MikeK said:

As we see, there is really no difference between Labour and Tory: UKIP has been saying this all along.

That's the ultra-clean UKIP which has never had the faintest taint of any wrongdoing associated with any of its elected politicians, right?

NickPalmer

To reply to tlg on the last thread - no, MPs don't routinely get offers of consultancies, dodgy or otherwise. But I suspect that it's mostly senior MPs who get approached.

It does seem a shame that the MPs who refused the bait aren't highlighted and given credit (just as in the case of Cash for Questions - none of those who refused were named though people would have been pleased that they'd proved their honesty).

TGOHF

Some cracking quotes from Jack Straw after the last Dispatches floating about. Lol.

MikeK

So far no sign of this news re Jack Straw & Malcolm Rifkind on the BBC leading web page; not even as a breaking news.

They are more interested in smearing UKIP tonight.

Tim_B

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

Santorum rubs viagra in his eyes to make himself look hard, surges and swallows Republican field, and spits out minor candidates.

Casino_Royale

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

FrancisUrquhart

It appears not only is one of the suspected racist Chelsea fans an ex-plod, he is a Human Rights Activist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964345/Chelsea-racist-chant-suspect-named-former-police-officer-work-HUMAN-RIGHTS-charity.html

Flightpath

TGOHF said:

MP_SE said:

Will they both have to resign or can they carry on as MPs?

Have they done anything wrong ?

Does 'refering yourself' not mean he thinks he is innocent? Straw is standing down anyway - so he has no access or influence or as an exMP no responsibility.

Neil

One of the Chelsea fans the police were looking for is a human rights' activist!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-ni-policeman-at-centre-of-chelsea-incident-denies-he-is-racist-1.2113228

He denies being a racist.

perdix

Sean_F said:

antifrank said:

The most irksome aspect of the various political sleaze stories is not the sheer unambitiousness of the avarice shown by the errant politicians, but the annoyance we will get in a week's time from political insiders complaining that the public get their poor perception of politicians from a few rotten apples. The supply of rotten apples seems inexhaustible.

I'm not sure I agree. Labour MP's tend to be grubbily venial, forging electricians' receipts, fiddling a hew thousand here and there. But, Tory MP's are flamboyantly wicked, billing the taxpayer for their moats, helipads, and duck houses.

@seanf I think you are wrong. Nobody actually billed the taxpayer for moats and duck houses but they did ask whether they could be paid for. The requests were refused iirc. Typical kipper smear.

Casino_Royale

On topic, from what I've experienced personally when mixing socially with MPs in the past, bragging about their well-connectedness is rife. As is the name-dropping.

It is normally exaggerated.

FrancisUrquhart

Neil said:

One of the Chelsea fans the police were looking for is a human rights' activist!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-ni-policeman-at-centre-of-chelsea-incident-denies-he-is-racist-1.2113228

He denies being a racist.

Maybe he wants a world where its every bodies human right to be an equal opportunity racist?

TheScreamingEagles

Neil said:

One of the Chelsea fans the police were looking for is a human rights' activist!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-ni-policeman-at-centre-of-chelsea-incident-denies-he-is-racist-1.2113228

He denies being a racist.

I'm shocked that a Northern Irishman engaged in racist/sectarian abuse

RobD

Flightpath said:

TGOHF said:

MP_SE said:

Will they both have to resign or can they carry on as MPs?

Have they done anything wrong ?

Does 'refering yourself' not mean he thinks he is innocent? Straw is standing down anyway - so he has no access or influence or as an exMP no responsibility.

I'm pretty sure senior MPs don't just stop having influence the minute they leave office.

Richard_Nabavi

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, from what I've experienced personally when mixing socially with MPs in the past, bragging about their well-connectedness is rife. As is the name-dropping.

It is normally exaggerated.

Not just MPs, of course. In fact pretty much anyone at a London drinks party.

Pong

Neil said:

One of the Chelsea fans the police were looking for is a human rights' activist!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-ni-policeman-at-centre-of-chelsea-incident-denies-he-is-racist-1.2113228

He denies being a racist.

Are you saying racists don't deserve human rights?

TGOHF

RobD said:

Flightpath said:

TGOHF said:

MP_SE said:

Will they both have to resign or can they carry on as MPs?

Have they done anything wrong ?

Does 'refering yourself' not mean he thinks he is innocent? Straw is standing down anyway - so he has no access or influence or as an exMP no responsibility.

I'm pretty sure senior MPs don't just stop having influence the minute they leave office.

Nor the right to work. Storm in a teacup. Couple of yesterday's men topping up their pensions. Don't vote for them if you don't like it.

Tim_B

Casino_Royale said:

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

Hillary Clinton gets fees of $200-300k. It's a mystery to me too.

TheScreamingEagles

I suspect most Brits, will be more focussed on the front page of the Times

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/569625545358630913

Casino_Royale

Despite being paid £67,000 as an MP, Sir Malcolm said he was “self-employed”:

“You’d be surprised how much free time I have. I spend a lot of time reading, I spend a lot of time walking. I’m self-employed. So nobody pays me a salary.”

Flightpath

MikeK said:

So far no sign of this news re Jack Straw & Malcolm Rifkind on the BBC leading web page; not even as a breaking news.

They are more interested in smearing UKIP tonight.

Whatever Straw or Rifkind said they said. Whatever the kippers said they said. The kippers did know the cameras were there. Tell us how did they smear themselves (since I did not see the programme)?

dr_spyn

Jack Straw is trending on Twitter...Janus face...I mean puzzled face...

MikeK

Richard_Nabavi said:

Looks pretty small beer, to be perfectly frank. No votes will change hands on the basis of a couple of old-timers boasting about their contacts.

You would be foaming at the mouth if they were UKIP MP's.

Neil

Richard_Nabavi said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, from what I've experienced personally when mixing socially with MPs in the past, bragging about their well-connectedness is rife. As is the name-dropping.

It is normally exaggerated.

Not just MPs, of course. In fact pretty much anyone at a London drinks party.

Except PB Drinks of course!

Casino_Royale

Richard_Nabavi said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, from what I've experienced personally when mixing socially with MPs in the past, bragging about their well-connectedness is rife. As is the name-dropping.

It is normally exaggerated.

Not just MPs, of course. In fact pretty much anyone at a London drinks party.

I have a rule: the more you have to talk about it, the less true it probably is.

Casino_Royale

Tim_B said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

Hillary Clinton gets fees of $200-300k. It's a mystery to me too.

You'd have to pay me more than that to listen to him.

TheScreamingEagles

Shocked that the Church of England are full of hypocrites when it comes to low wages

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-e6P7FIUAAm-4C.jpg

dr_spyn

Flightpath said:

MikeK said:

So far no sign of this news re Jack Straw & Malcolm Rifkind on the BBC leading web page; not even as a breaking news.

They are more interested in smearing UKIP tonight.

Whatever Straw or Rifkind said they said. Whatever the kippers said they said. The kippers did know the cameras were there. Tell us how did they smear themselves (since I did not see the programme)?

It hasn't yet been covered in The Guardian...

TheScreamingEagles

Neil said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, from what I've experienced personally when mixing socially with MPs in the past, bragging about their well-connectedness is rife. As is the name-dropping.

It is normally exaggerated.

Not just MPs, of course. In fact pretty much anyone at a London drinks party.

Except PB Drinks of course!

That's because we're worried/wondering if JohnO has got home safely.

MarqueeMark

Tim_B said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

Hillary Clinton gets fees of $200-300k. It's a mystery to me too.

That anybody pays anything to hear Gordon Brown is surely the biggest mystery of all....

TGOHF

MikeK said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Looks pretty small beer, to be perfectly frank. No votes will change hands on the basis of a couple of old-timers boasting about their contacts.

You would be foaming at the mouth if they were UKIP MP's.

I would be - but at the fact that Ukip has MPs - nothing to do with Dispatches...

MikeK

She is a STUNNER. I'd vote for her anywhere.

#UKIP Emily Santos to stand in #Gordon #GE2015 will you shake hand? @AlexSalmond you didn't last time! @UKIP pic.twitter.com/z1MNi1A25H

— Caroline Santos (@Casumptious) February 22, 2015

Casino_Royale

I'll be (one of) the first to say: Rifkind has to go. Not just as Chair of the intelligence committee, but as an MP. His remarks are disgraceful. He also shows contempt for his job as a constituency MP.

His egotism and pomposity have been obvious for some time. Particularly the churlish way he refused to join the Conservative administration, just because he wasn't offered the plum job of Foreign Secretary.

Flightpath

MikeK said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Looks pretty small beer, to be perfectly frank. No votes will change hands on the basis of a couple of old-timers boasting about their contacts.

You would be foaming at the mouth if they were UKIP MP's.

The UKIP MP is currently being smeared by The Mirror.

MarkHopkins

MarqueeMark said:

Tim_B said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

Hillary Clinton gets fees of $200-300k. It's a mystery to me too.

That anybody pays anything to hear Gordon Brown is surely the biggest mystery of all....

People used to pay to visit Bedlam.

Richard_Nabavi

Neil said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, from what I've experienced personally when mixing socially with MPs in the past, bragging about their well-connectedness is rife. As is the name-dropping.

It is normally exaggerated.

Not just MPs, of course. In fact pretty much anyone at a London drinks party.

Except PB Drinks of course!

Yeah, at PB drinks we don't so much boast about our contacts, as boast about our betting positions.

TGOHF

MikeK said:

She is a STUNNER. I'd vote for her anywhere.

#UKIP Emily Santos to stand in #Gordon #GE2015 will you shake hand? @AlexSalmond you didn't last time! @UKIP pic.twitter.com/z1MNi1A25H

— Caroline Santos (@Casumptious) February 22, 2015

not Eck's type - won't be a distraction.

MikeK

TGOHF said:

MikeK said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Looks pretty small beer, to be perfectly frank. No votes will change hands on the basis of a couple of old-timers boasting about their contacts.

You would be foaming at the mouth if they were UKIP MP's.

I would be - but at the fact that Ukip has MPs - nothing to do with Dispatches...

You poor man. To think that after May 7th, you will be full of rabid indignation; a full foaming mouth.

Richard_Tyndall

FPT

"2014 is the hottest year on record - the facts speak for themselves. Anyway the KEY thing is the trend and that is UP not down. Yes, UP!!!!

http://www.wmo.int/media/?q=content/warming-trend-continues-2014

Yes, the right-wing loons that inhabit this blog will continue to say - "nah, this is all made up" and "conspiracy!".

I'd rather believe the WMO than like nut-jobs like Christopher Booker and his ilk...

And Mr Richard Tyndall - continue to discredit me and throw mud - that's fine."

I have no need to discredit you - you do that yourself by making false and unsupportable claims whilst clearly knowing sweet FA about what you are discussing.

You can keep claiming these things and I and others will continue to point out that you are either utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest. I am not sure which it is but it doesn't really matter. One way or another you are wrong which is why, I assume, you refuse to engage in the science.

Oh and I would rather believe the satellite data than the comprehensively flawed surface station data.

RobD

Richard_Tyndall said:

FPT

"2014 is the hottest year on record - the facts speak for themselves. Anyway the KEY thing is the trend and that is UP not down. Yes, UP!!!!

http://www.wmo.int/media/?q=content/warming-trend-continues-2014

Yes, the right-wing loons that inhabit this blog will continue to say - "nah, this is all made up" and "conspiracy!".

I'd rather believe the WMO than like nut-jobs like Christopher Booker and his ilk...

And Mr Richard Tyndall - continue to discredit me and throw mud - that's fine."

I have no need to discredit you - you do that yourself by making false and unsupportable claims whilst clearly knowing sweet FA about what you are discussing.

You can keep claiming these things and I and others will continue to point out that you are either utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest. I am not sure which it is but it doesn't really matter. One way or another you are wrong which is why, I assume, you refuse to engage in the science.

Oh and I would rather believe the satellite data than the comprehensively flawed surface station data.

Average global air temperatures over land and sea surface in 2014 were 0.57 °C (1.03°F) above the long-term average of 14.00°C (57.2 °F) for the 1961-1990 reference period. By comparison, temperatures were 0.55 °C (1.00°F) above average in 2010 and 0.54°C (0.98°F) above average in 2005, according to WMO calculations. The estimated margin of uncertainty was 0.10°C (0.18°F).

A phrase used often on here - "within the margin of error"

Danny565

Casino_Royale said:

“You’d be surprised how much free time I have. I spend a lot of time reading, I spend a lot of time walking. I’m self-employed.”

LOL, that statement is probably more damning than the original scandal.

Chris_A

Casino_Royale said:

I'll be (one of) the first to say: Rifkind has to go. Not just as Chair of the intelligence committee, but as an MP. His remarks are disgraceful. He also shows contempt for his job as a constituency MP.

His egotism and pomposity have been obvious for some time. Particularly the churlish way he refused to join the Conservative administration, just because he wasn't offered the plum job of Foreign Secretary.

His complete incompetence at chairing the intelligence committee (his ability to believe the security services could do nothing but good being on the same level as Denning's "appalling vista") should rule him out of running anything.

Scott_P

@PickardJE: Labour has suspended Jack Straw from Parliamentary Labour Party after what leadership calls "disturbing allegations".

TGOHF

@PickardJE: Labour has suspended Jack Straw from Parliamentary Labour Party after what leadership calls "disturbing allegations".

TheScreamingEagles

Labour have suspended Jack Straw from the Parliamentary Labour Party

Scott_P

Ed Miliband is considering taking tighter control of public spending in a move which would clip the wings of the Treasury under Labour.

Senior figures in Labour are considering a cross-party report that makes the case for reshaping Whitehall to ensure the prime minister has a greater say on Treasury matters.

...

Lucy Powell, the shadow cabinet office minister, attended the launch of GovernUp and welcomed the report. However, last night the party distanced itself from the ideas, claiming it was “not remotely looking at” them.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4362385.ece

dr_spyn

Is it any wonder why some MPs wanted to muzzle the press

saddened

MikeK said:

As we see, there is really no difference between Labour and Tory: UKIP has been saying this all along.

matt lilleker ‏@mlilleker 35m35 minutes ago
Jack Straw & Malcolm Rifkind to star in tomorrows Dispatches #CashForAccess

Pure as the driven snow are UKIP.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=chrome-mobile&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&q=how+many+ukip+politicians+jailed

5 seconds of googling.

MTimT

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

After swallowing a Santorum, do you have to Rince with Priebus?

glw

Somebody wake Dave up and tell him to give Rifkind the boot.

Tim_B

Richard_Tyndall said:

FPT

Oh and I would rather believe the satellite data than the comprehensively flawed surface station data.

The satellite data is also somewhat problematic - from failing or mis-reading satellite sensors.

There is the famous case of Egg Harbor WI where satellite sensors recorded surface water temperatures in excess of 400 degrees fahrenheit.

But you are probably correct - overall the satellite data is of higher quality than surface station data.

dr_spyn

How keen were Straw & Rifkind on Leveson Report?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/dec/03/leveson-report-maria-miller-press-solution

Neil

MTimT said:

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

After swallowing a Santorum, do you have to Rince with Priebus?

Just when you think PB couldnt go any lower!

I'm disgusted and ashamed of you all.

MarqueeMark

MarkHopkins said:

MarqueeMark said:

Tim_B said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

Hillary Clinton gets fees of $200-300k. It's a mystery to me too.

That anybody pays anything to hear Gordon Brown is surely the biggest mystery of all....

People used to pay to visit Bedlam.

True

"Come on, roll up, roll up, only a halfpenny to see The Shouty Sweary Man...."

TheScreamingEagles

Neil said:

MTimT said:

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

After swallowing a Santorum, do you have to Rince with Priebus?

Just when you think PB couldnt go any lower!

I'm disgusted and ashamed of you all.

Just think we're less than a year away from the Republican Primary Debates.

GeoffM

MarqueeMark said:

MarkHopkins said:

MarqueeMark said:

Tim_B said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's almost as shocking to me that someone would pay £5,000 to hear Jack Straw speak.

Hillary Clinton gets fees of $200-300k. It's a mystery to me too.

That anybody pays anything to hear Gordon Brown is surely the biggest mystery of all....

People used to pay to visit Bedlam.

True

"Come on, roll up, roll up, only a halfpenny to see The Shouty Sweary Man...."

On PB you can see malcolmg for free

Tim_B

MTimT said:

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

After swallowing a Santorum, do you have to Rince with Priebus?

- and after the rince (sic) do you spit or swallow?

dr_spyn

Scott_P said:

Ed Miliband is considering taking tighter control of public spending in a move which would clip the wings of the Treasury under Labour.

Senior figures in Labour are considering a cross-party report that makes the case for reshaping Whitehall to ensure the prime minister has a greater say on Treasury matters.

...

Lucy Powell, the shadow cabinet office minister, attended the launch of GovernUp and welcomed the report. However, last night the party distanced itself from the ideas, claiming it was “not remotely looking at” them.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4362385.ece

History repeats itself as farce.

Shades of Harold Wilson, George Brown and Department of Economic Affairs.

dr_spyn

Jack Straw MP ‏@JackStraw_MP 7m7 minutes ago
Shit

(not the real JS).

Neil

TheScreamingEagles said:

Neil said:

MTimT said:

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

I assume the usual 'Ed is Crap' thread was dropped? A shame.

Yup, I even managed to get a Hannibal reference into it as well.

But I'm happy, I managed to do a PB thread today which said "Ed Balls deep in trouble"

Just got one more dream headline left on the list.

What is the last one, if I can ask?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be overwhelmed by the Santorum surge?

Will the Republican Party Presidential contenders be swallowed by the Santorum surge?

Republican Party Presidential contenders find Santorum surge hard to swallow

I had a little titter at that one.

After swallowing a Santorum, do you have to Rince with Priebus?

Just when you think PB couldnt go any lower!

I'm disgusted and ashamed of you all.

Just think we're less than a year away from the Republican Primary Debates.

I doubt they'll surpass their efforts of last time when they booed armed forces personnel serving abroad! But I'll stay up for them all just in case.

Richard_Tyndall

Tim_B said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

FPT

Oh and I would rather believe the satellite data than the comprehensively flawed surface station data.

The satellite data is also somewhat problematic - from failing or mis-reading satellite sensors.

There is the famous case of Egg Harbor WI where satellite sensors recorded surface water temperatures in excess of 400 degrees fahrenheit.

But you are probably correct - overall the satellite data is of higher quality than surface station data.

The joy of the satellite data is that the people running it at RSS and UAH are always on the look out for possible errors and correct for them in a completely open manner which has allowed the wider scientific community to see what has been done and - so far at least - agree with the corrections.

This is in stark contrast to the continuous corrections that are being made to the historical surface temperature record with little or no public explanation as to why it is being done and with an unwillingness to accept the problems within the measurement systems even when they conflict with their own rules (most particularly on the siting of measurement stations).