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  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Jonathan

    "Can you expand on that, genuinely interested. Whilst the start of a YouTube clip is not necessarily the natural moment to engage someone in a political issue, I can imagine ads referencing a specific local hospital (etc) being relatively powerful"

    A political ad isn't something anyone is at first sight interested in so to run a successful political ad you need a captive audience which you get in a commercial break on TV but you don't get on youtube. They'd be better spending the money on direct mail. At least there's a chance someone might be take the leaflet into the toilet with them.

    I think you are seriously underestimating the power of targeted advertising. Google has turned it into a $360bn company. What's more they won't need to spend a lot of money, when I was at PlayStation we used to spend literally peanuts for blanket coverage on gaming channels on YouTube. I'm sure the Tories will target the right content and the right IP locations. It is definitely a good idea, I also think they can use Twitter to promote it, again with targeted advertising making it quite cheap.
    The core Tory vote is the over 55s and the pensioner block-vote, and they need to shore this up to win. Granted that demographic is not *enough* to win, but it's still a huge chunk of their vote base. Quite a bit has taken a walk down UKIP-street.

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    I can only assume CCHQ is staffed with young-20somethings who are dogmatic believers in the power of the digital age and think the election will be won on those mediums.

    They have to do a bit of it because all other parties are doing it. They also might get some leakage of those messages into the national news. But, as Roger says, commercial TV breaks (if allowed) and targeted direct mail would be the smarter choices.

    I think prominent giant billboards still have a place too.
    Foxinsoxuk jr says "Facebook is for parents" and is rather scathing about it. He is a Whatsapp user.

    If he is right then the Tories strategy may be wise. There are a lot of silver surfers, and not just on PB.

    The difficulty is that any internet ads are very prone to spoofs, which can go viral.

    I havn't used Facebook in years. Do young people even use it anymore? I would have thought for college/uni students it would have its uses for socialising and events. For me personally, Twitter and LinkedIn are far more useful than Facebook has ever been.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    Mr. Max, that last post sounded delightfully vengeful.

    Mind you, in the current gen (bah, too poor to afford the new machines) PS4 is still slaughtering the Xbone. Although cutting the price, and the Kinect, and the always-online idiocy has seen the Xbox One recover somewhat.

    Is it me, or has the cross-over for this generation shift been really long? Got a PS3 and it still feels like most games are coming out for it.

    Xbox/Microsoft has brought nothing but pain to the market. The current state of gaming is almost entirely down to their entry into the market. Their business model is about better monetising fewer users. Horrible.

    The new consoles are not worth owning yet, but Bloodborne is out next month and is absolutely brilliant. I had a long hands on at a friend's place a week ago and it is easily the best game of the current gen. Can't wait to play it.
    Foxinsoxuk jr aspires to a PS4 shortly (I have agreed post summer exam). What are the best non-shooter games?
    Non-shooter or non-violent?

    Non-shooter - Infamous is great and Bloodborne is going to be excellent.

    Non-violent - Little Big Planet 3 so far and a few driving games. Drive Club is good now that they have fixed it.

    If you don't mind getting him a shooting game with more story than shooting then The Order 1886 looks decent, but I would wait for a pricecut.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,632

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Jonathan

    "Can you expand on that, genuinely interested. Whilst the start of a YouTube clip is not necessarily the natural moment to engage someone in a political issue, I can imagine ads referencing a specific local hospital (etc) being relatively powerful"

    A political ad isn't something anyone is at first sight interested in so to run a successful political ad you need a captive audience which you get in a commercial break on TV but you don't get on youtube. They'd be better spending the money on direct mail. At least there's a chance someone might be take the leaflet into the toilet with them.

    I think you are seriously underestimating the power of targeted advertising. Google has turned it into a $360bn company. What's more they won't need to spend a lot of money, when I was at PlayStation we used to spend literally peanuts for blanket coverage on gaming channels on YouTube. I'm sure the Tories will target the right content and the right IP locations. It is definitely a good idea, I also think they can use Twitter to promote it, again with targeted advertising making it quite cheap.
    Were you the leading home console then? I have a feeling it was Wii, and now it's X-box 360 isn't it?
    I left just after the PS4 was released. Xbox has never been market leader of anything.
    So you worked during a period when the PS3 was decisively outsold by Nintendo's Wii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles

    I'm not just trying to be rude, what I'm saying is, any promotional tool should be judged on its results, not on the coverage/buzz/attention that it received.
    Errr. The Wii was the first of the last generation of consoles to release and held a strong early lead (2006-2007), before having a very, very poor last five or six years.

    I don't think there even was YouTube advertising at the time the Wii was ruling the roost.
  • Workington and Kirkcaldy CLPs also selected in the past 2 days

    Next Labour selections are

    York Central will select next weekend
    Edmonton and Bradford West on 21h

    NEC decided for open shortlists in Midlothian and Torfaen. Selections in early March (2th and 7th)

    Remaining selections are in hopeless seats.

  • I spent a very pleasant hour this afternoon with Stonch, mine host at the Finborough Arms, off the Fulham Rd and the suggested venue for an all-night, ticket only gathering of PBers on GE day, i.e 7-8 May. A most impressive establishment and ideally suitable in my opinion for such an event. Please make it happen!

    Know it well as it is halfway between Earls Court and Stamford Bridge, not been in there for some time though.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    On topic: Yes, the Tories are using highly-targeted internet-based ads. However, why would these necessarily be 'attack' ads, rather than positive ones? Indeed, the Buzzfeed article itself, despite the headline, itself gives a very good example of a positive ad: "Young parents... could easily be shown a completely different advert promoting the government’s childcare reforms."
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    MP_SE said:

    I havn't used Facebook in years. Do young people even use it anymore? I would have thought for college/uni students it would have its uses for socialising and events. For me personally, Twitter and LinkedIn are far more useful than Facebook has ever been.

    Facebook usage is well down with the 18-24 age group, down with 25-34, up with 35-55 and 55 and over. The two former groups are migrating to private chats and networks like WhatsApp as they are more tech savvy. Facebook is slowly shifting from younger to older clientèle which is part of the reason they bought WhatsApp for so much money.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mr. Max, that last post sounded delightfully vengeful.

    Mind you, in the current gen (bah, too poor to afford the new machines) PS4 is still slaughtering the Xbone. Although cutting the price, and the Kinect, and the always-online idiocy has seen the Xbox One recover somewhat.

    Is it me, or has the cross-over for this generation shift been really long? Got a PS3 and it still feels like most games are coming out for it.

    Xbox/Microsoft has brought nothing but pain to the market. The current state of gaming is almost entirely down to their entry into the market. Their business model is about better monetising fewer users. Horrible.

    The new consoles are not worth owning yet, but Bloodborne is out next month and is absolutely brilliant. I had a long hands on at a friend's place a week ago and it is easily the best game of the current gen. Can't wait to play it.
    Foxinsoxuk jr aspires to a PS4 shortly (I have agreed post summer exam). What are the best non-shooter games?
    Non-shooter or non-violent?

    Non-shooter - Infamous is great and Bloodborne is going to be excellent.

    Non-violent - Little Big Planet 3 so far and a few driving games. Drive Club is good now that they have fixed it.

    If you don't mind getting him a shooting game with more story than shooting then The Order 1886 looks decent, but I would wait for a pricecut.
    A bit of D and D type fantasy would be fine, but I am not keen on Shooter type games like COD or similar. FIFA would be on his list, but any other recommendations?
  • Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%)LD (%) SNP (%) UKIP (%) SNP Lead
    YouGov/Times 2015-02-02 15 27 4 48 4 21
    Ipsos-MORI/STV 2015-01-19 12 24 4 52 1 28
    Survation/Daily Record15-01-16 14 26 7 46 4 20
    Panel/Sunday Times2015-01-14 14 31 3 41 7 10

    See above - a great deal has been made of the route of Labour in Scotland and the demise of the Lib/Dems. Little has been said about the problems of the Tories. four polls, four different organisations and not one rating over 15 per cent!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    scotslass said:

    Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%)LD (%) SNP (%) UKIP (%) SNP Lead
    YouGov/Times 2015-02-02 15 27 4 48 4 21
    Ipsos-MORI/STV 2015-01-19 12 24 4 52 1 28
    Survation/Daily Record15-01-16 14 26 7 46 4 20
    Panel/Sunday Times2015-01-14 14 31 3 41 7 10

    See above - a great deal has been made of the route of Labour in Scotland and the demise of the Lib/Dems. Little has been said about the problems of the Tories. four polls, four different organisations and not one rating over 15 per cent!

    Maybe there' s less interest because at worst they lose one MP?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mr. Max, that last post sounded delightfully vengeful.

    Mind you, in the current gen (bah, too poor to afford the new machines) PS4 is still slaughtering the Xbone. Although cutting the price, and the Kinect, and the always-online idiocy has seen the Xbox One recover somewhat.

    Is it me, or has the cross-over for this generation shift been really long? Got a PS3 and it still feels like most games are coming out for it.

    Xbox/Microsoft has brought nothing but pain to the market. The current state of gaming is almost entirely down to their entry into the market. Their business model is about better monetising fewer users. Horrible.

    The new consoles are not worth owning yet, but Bloodborne is out next month and is absolutely brilliant. I had a long hands on at a friend's place a week ago and it is easily the best game of the current gen. Can't wait to play it.
    Foxinsoxuk jr aspires to a PS4 shortly (I have agreed post summer exam). What are the best non-shooter games?
    Non-shooter or non-violent?

    Non-shooter - Infamous is great and Bloodborne is going to be excellent.

    Non-violent - Little Big Planet 3 so far and a few driving games. Drive Club is good now that they have fixed it.

    If you don't mind getting him a shooting game with more story than shooting then The Order 1886 looks decent, but I would wait for a pricecut.
    A bit of D and D type fantasy would be fine, but I am not keen on Shooter type games like COD or similar. FIFA would be on his list, but any other recommendations?
    Then look at the Order, it is a shooter but it concentrates more on story than shooting, plus it is set in Victorian London which is great. Maybe Shadow of Mordor, it is a bit of hack and slash, and the story isn't awful either if you like LOTR.
  • Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.
  • Sorry about that. It did not translate on to the post properly. The Tory % figures are the first after the dates of poll. They read 14,14,12 and 15 respectively. That sort of rating wins no cigars!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited February 2015
    Brits, above all, also like fair play. At least, the vast majority do. If the election campaign is seen as Rich vs the Poor and a constant referencing to huge Tory business funded resources will have some opposite impact. It has done in the past.

    UK is not USA !!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580
    edited February 2015



    Is it me, or has the cross-over for this generation shift been really long? Got a PS3 and it still feels like most games are coming out for it.

    Maybe, though to my mind the most amusing cross-over fact would be that the PS2 was still being produced until the end of 2012.

    The PS2 was so popular that it outsold its replacement for the first three years that the PlayStation 3 was available.

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20875176
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    http://rt.com/news/230283-sarkozy-crimea-russia-blamed/
    Sarkozy supports Crimea's right to self determination, defends European values from the US.

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/02/08/ukraine-town-of-velikaya-znamenka-speaking-against-the-war-and-the-draft/
    More problems for Kiev on the domestic front. The Americans might be willing to fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian, but looks like the Ukrainians aren't.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    scotslass said:

    Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%)LD (%) SNP (%) UKIP (%) SNP Lead
    YouGov/Times 2015-02-02 15 27 4 48 4 21
    Ipsos-MORI/STV 2015-01-19 12 24 4 52 1 28
    Survation/Daily Record15-01-16 14 26 7 46 4 20
    Panel/Sunday Times2015-01-14 14 31 3 41 7 10

    See above - a great deal has been made of the route of Labour in Scotland and the demise of the Lib/Dems. Little has been said about the problems of the Tories. four polls, four different organisations and not one rating over 15 per cent!

    Could you tell us about the sample sizes please ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,040
    scotslass said:

    Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%)LD (%) SNP (%) UKIP (%) SNP Lead
    YouGov/Times 2015-02-02 15 27 4 48 4 21
    Ipsos-MORI/STV 2015-01-19 12 24 4 52 1 28
    Survation/Daily Record15-01-16 14 26 7 46 4 20
    Panel/Sunday Times2015-01-14 14 31 3 41 7 10

    See above - a great deal has been made of the route of Labour in Scotland and the demise of the Lib/Dems. Little has been said about the problems of the Tories. four polls, four different organisations and not one rating over 15 per cent!

    And we expect Tories to do well in Scotland because...? They seem a lot more resilient to the rise of the SNP than Labour.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    edited February 2015

    On topic: Yes, the Tories are using highly-targeted internet-based ads. However, why would these necessarily be 'attack' ads, rather than positive ones? Indeed, the Buzzfeed article itself, despite the headline, itself gives a very good example of a positive ad: "Young parents... could easily be shown a completely different advert promoting the government’s childcare reforms."

    Exactly this, I think it could be quite an effective campaigning tool, especially if the Conservative branding is used properly rather than splashed all over it from the beginning. You want people to agree with the message before you show them what they are agreeing with. I don't know what the rules are about political advertising in that respect, but I would probably only show the Conservative branding/logo at the end of the advert once for a second or two so that people are not put off from watching out of hand.

    This, to me, is about getting the message out to younger professionals in marginal seats who are in favour of lower taxes but are sceptical of the Conservative party in general after years of being told how "evil" Thatcher was by the generation above and media.
    surbiton said:

    Brits, above all, also like fair play. At least, the vast majority do. If the election campaign is seen as Rich vs the Poor and a constant referencing to huge Tory business funded resources will have some opposite impact. It has done in the past.

    UK is not USA !!!

    I would be surprised if fundraising and party funding shifted even 10000 votes nationally.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549


    King Canute Ben Page of Ipsos Mori: Classic newspaper poll coverage "lab extends its lead" when in fact no statistically significant change at all http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/07/labour-conservatives-opinion-poll-miliband-cameron

    1) The whole point of the King Canute story is that he wanted to show his subjects he could NOT hold back the tide.

    2) Labour leads since August:
    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/564397780618477568
    Had it not been for some local difficulty in Scotland, 1.3% would have been enough for a Labour majority. Indeed, it still tells us the Con>Lab swing in England is over 6.5%.

    UKIP is causing mayhem for the Tories. Labour picking up the pieces.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.

    All over the papers, but not yet confirmed.

    Pearson has been the best manager by a country mile at Leicester since MON (praise be upon him).

    But after Palace yesterday we are as good as gone. That was a must win game, and we lost.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    In other news, bears **** in the woods.
    Smarmeron said:
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.

    All over the papers, but not yet confirmed.

    Pearson has been the best manager by a country mile at Leicester since MON (praise be upon him).

    But after Palace yesterday we are as good as gone. That was a must win game, and we lost.
    Is it perhaps something to do with his contretemps on the sidelines yesterday?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour have selected 614 candidates, 17 to go.

    Workington and Kirkcaldy CLPs also selected in the past 2 days

    Next Labour selections are

    York Central will select next weekend
    Edmonton and Bradford West on 21h

    NEC decided for open shortlists in Midlothian and Torfaen. Selections in early March (2th and 7th)

    Remaining selections are in hopeless seats.

  • scotslass said:

    Sorry about that. It did not translate on to the post properly. The Tory % figures are the first after the dates of poll. They read 14,14,12 and 15 respectively. That sort of rating wins no cigars!

    As Mr Navabi points out, what's the worst that could happen to the Tories?

    Meanwhile, it looks like your expectation of Scotland's A&E performance was disappointed:

    The figures released today from the Information Services Division show Scotland’s accident and emergency departments are performing worse than at the same time the year before and are even worse than those under fire in England.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/nhs-crisis-scotland-ae-figures-5096499

    So on this measure its;

    1) NHS wreckers, the coalition.
    2) Save the NHS from the Tories, SNP
    3) Party of the NHS, Labour
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @AndyJS
    Pretty much standard these days, democracy American style.
    It was thoughtful of George to have sneaked through an over inflation "election budget increase", and against the recommendation as well?
    Some things never change do they?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited February 2015
    Strange isn't it how many managers of promoted Championship sides get sacked within 6-9 months of their sides reaching the Premier League despite earning their clubs upwards of £120 million .... it doesn't seem fair somehow. Still I suppose they walk away with £2m or £3M worth of compensation and the merry-go-round simply continues.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 12m12 minutes ago
    Greece has 'moral obligation' to claim German WWII reparations, PM #Tsipras says http://u.afp.com/KDj

    Will Merkel oblige? I don't think so.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    No government has f***ed pensioners more than this one. By using QE, instead of targeted spending, they have decimated pensioners earnings from savings and the annuity rates have crashed.
  • SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    You do realise that you do more harm to the Tory cause every time you post.

    Mr Royale would never say or think the views you've just ascribed to him.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeK said:

    Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 12m12 minutes ago
    Greece has 'moral obligation' to claim German WWII reparations, PM #Tsipras says http://u.afp.com/KDj

    Will Merkel oblige? I don't think so.

    I don't think it would be a good idea for Germans to holiday in Greece this year.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    I thought every week was 'pretend people are really mean to the things I don't want them to be mean, and only those things, making it seem an especial failing and not normal debate' week, but I admit it does not roll off the tongue.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Greece has asked Germany "not to humiliate a proud nation". Sounds like sensible economics.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Strange isn't it how many managers of promoted Championship sides get sacked within 6-9 months of their sides reaching the Premier League despite earning their clubs upwards of £120 million .... it doesn't seem fair somehow. Still I suppose they walk away with £2m or £3M worth of compensation and the merry-go-round simply continues.

    Why should a new Manager make a difference ? Where is Cardiff now ? How many Managers gone ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    surbiton said:


    King Canute Ben Page of Ipsos Mori: Classic newspaper poll coverage "lab extends its lead" when in fact no statistically significant change at all http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/07/labour-conservatives-opinion-poll-miliband-cameron

    1) The whole point of the King Canute story is that he wanted to show his subjects he could NOT hold back the tide.

    2) Labour leads since August:
    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/564397780618477568
    Had it not been for some local difficulty in Scotland, 1.3% would have been enough for a Labour majority. Indeed, it still tells us the Con>Lab swing in England is over 6.5%.

    UKIP is causing mayhem for the Tories. Labour picking up the pieces.
    Standalone polls in Scotland and Wales tend to show Labour about 15% ahead of the Conservatives in both countries. That implies a Conservative lead of about 2% on average, in England, a swing of 4.5%.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    Nice,but I am not a ratbag moneybags pensioner,but I am very up to date with tech and social media. Yes it is too easy to categorise a generation,and I include the teens and 30 somethings.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.

    All over the papers, but not yet confirmed.

    Pearson has been the best manager by a country mile at Leicester since MON (praise be upon him).

    But after Palace yesterday we are as good as gone. That was a must win game, and we lost.
    Is it perhaps something to do with his contretemps on the sidelines yesterday?

    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.

    All over the papers, but not yet confirmed.

    Pearson has been the best manager by a country mile at Leicester since MON (praise be upon him).

    But after Palace yesterday we are as good as gone. That was a must win game, and we lost.
    Is it perhaps something to do with his contretemps on the sidelines yesterday?
    Possibly. The Thai owners wouldn't like that.

    Mostly its results, and also putting our new record striker on the bench yesterday. Leicester missed a few sitters yesterday. Poor finishing was not the managers fault.

    I like Nigel, and have watched some great football, and he seems to have the support of the players. I dread who comes next, and shreds what is a very solid Championship side with a good chance of bouncing back.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    kle4 said:

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    I thought every week was 'pretend people are really mean to the things I don't want them to be mean, and only those things, making it seem an especial failing and not normal debate' week, but I admit it does not roll off the tongue.
    Mean people are everywhere - never more so apparent than on these pages. Labour's politics of envy is creeping in everywhere. Since when did normal debate not allow making a repost?
  • Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:


    King Canute Ben Page of Ipsos Mori: Classic newspaper poll coverage "lab extends its lead" when in fact no statistically significant change at all http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/07/labour-conservatives-opinion-poll-miliband-cameron

    1) The whole point of the King Canute story is that he wanted to show his subjects he could NOT hold back the tide.

    2) Labour leads since August:
    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/564397780618477568
    Had it not been for some local difficulty in Scotland, 1.3% would have been enough for a Labour majority. Indeed, it still tells us the Con>Lab swing in England is over 6.5%.

    UKIP is causing mayhem for the Tories. Labour picking up the pieces.
    Standalone polls in Scotland and Wales tend to show Labour about 15% ahead of the Conservatives in both countries. That implies a Conservative lead of about 2% on average, in England, a swing of 4.5%.
    You have to work English swing back from the English result in 2010 when CON 11.4% ahead of LAB in votes. So level-pegging=5.7% LAB - CON swing
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Flightpath
    Riposte away dear sir!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    Greece has asked Germany "not to humiliate a proud nation". Sounds like sensible economics.

    Proud nations should honour their debts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580
    edited February 2015

    kle4 said:

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    I thought every week was 'pretend people are really mean to the things I don't want them to be mean, and only those things, making it seem an especial failing and not normal debate' week, but I admit it does not roll off the tongue.
    Mean people are everywhere - never more so apparent than on these pages. Labour's politics of envy is creeping in everywhere. Since when did normal debate not allow making a repost?
    I have no idea what you are talking about, so I presume the 'not allow making a repost' is in relation to something I missed. All I was saying is people moan about people being mean to their side/interests, even as they are usually pretty darn mean to their opponent's side/interests, with very little self awareness about that fact. You haven't been mean about someone elses' viewpoint? I haven't? The degree to which we might be responsible might be arguable, but I put it to you highly improbable to be nonexistent.

    And these pages are usually a darn sight less mean than most, regrettably. Not that it does not happen, especially with certain topics, but cattiness is far more common in my experience, which at least has the potential to be amusing as well.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    Who?
  • AndyJS said:

    Greece has asked Germany "not to humiliate a proud nation". Sounds like sensible economics.

    Proud nations should honour their debts.
    Like Germany once did?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Sunil_Prasannan
    Proud nations usually blame the debt on an injustice, and often then invade the vile offender.
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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580
    edited February 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    You do realise that you do more harm to the Tory cause every time you post.

    Mr Royale would never say or think the views you've just ascribed to him.
    I grow tired of insults to pensioners. Crass rude insults at that. As such sarcasm wins every time.
    We have had to put up with all the complaints about pensioner bonds which are essentially ill informed attacks on on Osborne on top of the nerve of pensioners to have some sort of pot that Brown has not ruined for them. I don't qualify BTW.
    But I suppose if you really want me to harm the tory cause with the usual suspects around here then maybe I should repeat my view that Osborne is doing a good job of managing the economy and Cameron is not a bad Prime Minister.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    You do realise that you do more harm to the Tory cause every time you post.

    Mr Royale would never say or think the views you've just ascribed to him.
    I grow tired of insults to pensioners. Crass rude insults at that. As such sarcasm wins every time.
    We have had to put up with all the complaints about pensioner bonds which are essentially ill informed attacks on on Osborne on top of the nerve of pensioners to have some sort of pot that Brown has not ruined for them. I don't qualify BTW.
    But I suppose if you really want me to harm the tory cause with the usual suspects around here then maybe I should repeat my view that Osborne is doing a good job of managing the economy and Cameron is not a bad Prime Minister.
    I suspect OGH and Jackw,might not approve of suggesting they don't know what Twitter,Facebook or Youtube are all about.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeK said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.

    They are not the only ones who think Charlie Hebdo has no right to insult and offend ! Je ne suis pas Charlie. This country had blasphemy laws. There was a reason.
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