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edited February 2015 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The best betting strategy for tomorrow is do nothing till you’ve seen the numbers

At 11am tomorrow morning Lord Ashcroft’s Scottish single seat polls will be published and will get huge media attention. It is going to be an intensive period for political punters both on the constituency markets and the overall outcome ones.

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  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I think the expected terrible result for Labour has already filtered through to the betting markets, especially the overall majority market. I'm sure casual betters will hammer Labour in the other markets as well.

    The wipeout in Scotland newspaper headlines will be nothing new, we've had plenty already, though they'll have more credence.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    I assume you've got a big overweight SNP book at the moment in Scotland ;) ?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    So far Lord Ashcroft has not responded to my Tweet.


    Lol - he's still down the betting shop!
  • shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    That presumes that most of the bookies are watching the numbers, rather than their tickers. The evidence is, well, mixed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    @Charles FPT No, not really - I have an entire tenner on Lib Dem deposit losses > 150 @ 7-2 I think.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    felix said:

    So far Lord Ashcroft has not responded to my Tweet.


    Lol - he's still down the betting shop!

    Polls don't pay for themselves ya know!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    That presumes that most of the bookies are watching the numbers, rather than their tickers. The evidence is, well, mixed.
    I've placed quite a few of my most recent Scottish bets at Hills.

    I fully expect Ladbrokes to suspend prices when the poll comes out. @Shadsy is on the ball.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    @Pulpstar
    I'd prefer it if there was some less bad news for Labour, but I'm not overly hopeful.
    If the SNP are ahead in seats like Glenrothes, E.Lothian, Glasgow NE, then that will be very unhelpful.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Betfair Sportsbook may be a great website tommorow.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    What's with the TNS-BMRB poll fieldwork ended 2nd Feb being tweeted all over the place?

    Is it official or not?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    If they are ahead in all those seats Labour may as well throw in the towel !
  • BenM said:

    What's with the TNS-BMRB poll fieldwork ended 2nd Feb being tweeted all over the place?

    Is it official or not?

    OGH says it is embargoed until 5am tomorrow.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    BenM said:

    What's with the TNS-BMRB poll fieldwork ended 2nd Feb being tweeted all over the place?

    Is it official or not?

    It's official. And, it's embargoed.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    "So far Lord Ashcroft has not responded to my Tweet!!"

    Nor should he before the poll is published. ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Pulpstar said:

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted

    Sunil will have to revise ELBOW again.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    FPT:

    @Sunil_Prasannan

    You are starting to bewilder me, and I'm sure others, with your constant fiddling and changes, now almost hourly, on your ELBOW.

    Before you turn the ELBOW, - which I like - and yourself to a harlequin of fun, and not to be taken seriously, why don't you consider publishing the ELBOW twice a week on say, Tuesday and Friday: come what may and never mind the news headlines.

    Do this, up to say the last 3 weeks to the election; then and only then, would it be worth while to publish daily.

    I hope you're not to cross with my criticism.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited February 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair Sportsbook may be a great website tommorow.

    Betfair Sportsbook seem to have a number of seats that Ladbrokes have odds-on as odds-against for the SNP.

    Glasgow East
    SNP 2.1
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    Yes, indeed so. So the trick is to try to anticipate.

    To my mind the striking thing is the mismatch between the betting (indicating that punters expect around 30-34 SNP seats) and the existing Scottish polls, which indicate an SNP total well over 40 and perhaps over 50. If the Ashcroft poll shows, in aggregate, a similar result to the various Scottish polls, I anticipate that that discrepancy will diminish - i.e. that the spreads and the line will move upwards, and the individual constitency prices for the SNP will shorten.

    This seems likely. In principle, there seems to be no reason why Lord Ashcroft's pollsters should find a picture very different from what the others have been finding. It might be the case that the two-stage question will prompt respondents substantially towards the incumbent, to the detriment of the SNP's showing. However, I have a hunch that this won't be so; Scottish voters seem distinctly disgruntled with their (mainly Labour) Westminster MPs.
  • Football (not my cup of tea but may be of some here): Redknapp's resigned as QPR manager: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31117098
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Dan Hodges retweeted
    Andy Slaughter MP ‏@hammersmithandy 13m13 minutes ago
    David Cameron slams tax avoiders while his wife - er- works for a company based in a tax haven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937589/Awkward-Luxury-leather-goods-firm-Smythson-PM-s-wife-Samantha-Cameron-works-based-tax-haven
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.cityam.com/208553/labour-and-snp-coalition-likely-says-deutsche?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Email&utm_campaign=ER

    Economists at Deutsche Bank said yesterday that the UK is on track for a coalition between Labour and the SNP following May’s election – but warned that the British economy would do better in the long term under a deficit-cutting Tory government.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    The Daily Rupert ‏@TheMurdochTimes 4h4 hours ago
    Same Brit media that cried #JeSuisCharlie, wailed for free speech, now campaigning to stop @georgegalloway appearing on @bbcquestiontime
  • Pulpstar said:

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted

    Is this the poll that put Labour 11 points ahead?

    I take it that this is not the new Gold Standard?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Mian thing I'm hoping for in the Ashcroft poll tommorow is the slaughter of the Lib Dems.
  • Mr. Owls, Galloway's an arse, but he's a democratically elected arse.

    A more serious problem is the de facto blasphemy law the media has mostly adopted.

    On Mrs Cameron - unless she's the decision-maker, that's as valid as attacking an employee of Boots for what their CEO does.

    It's also hypocritical to say "Hurrah for the EU" and then complain businesses relocate within it, just as it's stupid to propose high taxes and then complain when businesses go to low tax economies.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Dan Hodges retweeted
    Andy Slaughter MP ‏@hammersmithandy 13m13 minutes ago
    David Cameron slams tax avoiders while his wife - er- works for a company based in a tax haven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937589/Awkward-Luxury-leather-goods-firm-Smythson-PM-s-wife-Samantha-Cameron-works-based-tax-haven

    Cameron's wife doesn't own the company, does she? (I don't know the answer to this.) If so, presumably she's in the same position as any other employee of a company with its HQ in a tax haven or jurisdiction with a lower tax rate than in the UK - like Switzerland, for instance. And I also assume that she pays income tax etc here.

    We're not surely going to say that people shouldn't work for such companies. That might annoy quite a lot of Boots employees, for instance.

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    MikeK said:

    http://www.cityam.com/208553/labour-and-snp-coalition-likely-says-deutsche?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Email&utm_campaign=ER

    Economists at Deutsche Bank said yesterday that the UK is on track for a coalition between Labour and the SNP following May’s election – but warned that the British economy would do better in the long term under a deficit-cutting Tory government.

    Save us from a load of teenage scribbler bankers.
  • shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    Yes, indeed so. So the trick is to try to anticipate.

    To my mind the striking thing is the mismatch between the betting (indicating that punters expect around 30-34 SNP seats) and the existing Scottish polls, which indicate an SNP total well over 40 and perhaps over 50. If the Ashcroft poll shows, in aggregate, a similar result to the various Scottish polls, I anticipate that that discrepancy will diminish - i.e. that the spreads and the line will move upwards, and the individual constitency prices for the SNP will shorten.

    This seems likely. In principle, there seems to be no reason why Lord Ashcroft's pollsters should find a picture very different from what the others have been finding. It might be the case that the two-stage question will prompt respondents substantially towards the incumbent, to the detriment of the SNP's showing. However, I have a hunch that this won't be so; Scottish voters seem distinctly disgruntled with their (mainly Labour) Westminster MPs.
    Given yesterday's YouGov poll again showing the SNP with a huge lead, I'd be suspicious of the constituency polling if it did not find very similar results. Since there is no track record of Lord Ashcroft's constituency polls varying that markedly from the national picture, I don't see why it should start now.

    I have long been a bull on SNP prospects in constituency betting. As from tomorrow, I expect that the party will be over, at least in terms of being able to back the SNP at odds against in constituencies where they should really be odds on. Ah well, it's lasted a long time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Dan Hodges retweeted
    Andy Slaughter MP ‏@hammersmithandy 13m13 minutes ago
    David Cameron slams tax avoiders while his wife - er- works for a company based in a tax haven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937589/Awkward-Luxury-leather-goods-firm-Smythson-PM-s-wife-Samantha-Cameron-works-based-tax-haven

    This has as much validity as the line against Miliband and his arrangements.

    Wait a minute

    Has Dan Hodges tweeted something negative about Cameron ?!

    That's the real story there !
  • Pulpstar said:

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted

    Is this the poll that put Labour 11 points ahead?

    I take it that this is not the new Gold Standard?
    Yes. It was only a bit of fun.

    I wasn't expecting someone to add it to the wikipedia page.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Mian thing I'm hoping for in the Ashcroft poll tommorow is the slaughter of the Lib Dems.

    I think they've been comprehensively stunned...
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Football (not my cup of tea but may be of some here): Redknapp's resigned as QPR manager: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31117098

    Convenient excuse I notice.

    Thank heavens for good sense at the FA when the England job was up -ignoring Harry and his lackeys in the media and in football.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Save us from a load of teenage scribbler bankers.

    A few Elmbridge voters amongst them, I shouldn't wonder....
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Pulpstar said:



    Dan Hodges retweeted
    Andy Slaughter MP ‏@hammersmithandy 13m13 minutes ago
    David Cameron slams tax avoiders while his wife - er- works for a company based in a tax haven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937589/Awkward-Luxury-leather-goods-firm-Smythson-PM-s-wife-Samantha-Cameron-works-based-tax-haven

    This has as much validity as the line against Miliband and his arrangements.

    Wait a minute

    Has Dan Hodges tweeted something negative about Cameron ?!

    That's the real story there !
    No - in the very next tweet he takes a tediously characteristic swipe at Labour.
  • Mr. M, not sure what you mean. The knee is a vital part of management.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited February 2015
    Proposal for limiting terms of office for councillors in Wales.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31097569
  • Pulpstar said:

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted

    Is this the poll that put Labour 11 points ahead?

    I take it that this is not the new Gold Standard?
    Yes. It was only a bit of fun.

    I wasn't expecting someone to add it to the wikipedia page.
    They shouldn't do that. Imagine the effect on poor Audrey.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    The Daily Rupert ‏@TheMurdochTimes 4h4 hours ago
    Same Brit media that cried #JeSuisCharlie, wailed for free speech, now campaigning to stop @georgegalloway appearing on @bbcquestiontime

    Who's doing that?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    dr_spyn said:

    Proposal for limiting terms of office for councillors in Wales.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31097569

    Sounds disastrous. Most councillors are people that don't have a clue. Getting rid of the 2-3 that actually know what they're doing would be madness.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Mr. Owls, Galloway's an arse, but he's a democratically elected arse.

    A more serious problem is the de facto blasphemy law the media has mostly adopted.

    On Mrs Cameron - unless she's the decision-maker, that's as valid as attacking an employee of Boots for what their CEO does.

    It's also hypocritical to say "Hurrah for the EU" and then complain businesses relocate within it, just as it's stupid to propose high taxes and then complain when businesses go to low tax economies.

    Snap! Not sure what sort of connection Andy Slaughter is seeking to make because there's no evidence, is there, that Cameron's wife has sought to avoid tax.

    Really, it's more of an attempt to do a sort of word-association smear: luxury - tax haven - Cameron. A bit pathetic really.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    German bank urges brits to vote for Cameron. What greatest evidence of Cameron's europhilia do we need?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Twitter did seem very excited by that poll...

    Mirror image of this website ?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    The Daily Rupert ‏@TheMurdochTimes 4h4 hours ago
    Same Brit media that cried #JeSuisCharlie, wailed for free speech, now campaigning to stop @georgegalloway appearing on @bbcquestiontime

    On what grounds are they so campaigning?

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 5m5 minutes ago
    Three soldiers on anti-terror patrol in Nice, southern France, wounded in knife attack, French police say http://bbc.in/1LI7Nu8

    Blimey! looks like incipient civil war about to start in France.
  • Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.

    Eric Honecker had the right idea. No terrorism on his watch. Sound politics.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.

    I think it very serious, when terrorists feel free to attack an armed patrol on the streets of Nice and seemingly - till we get more news - get away with it.

    BTW, Nice is where I once met an Italian girl from Genoa and had a brief affair; many years ago now. :)
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    And another UKIP parliamentary candidate bites the dust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31108823

    This is the problem when your Party ethos is built up on tabloid newspaper agendas.

    What a joke of a Party UKIP is.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.

    Also in France - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31110463.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    antifrank said:

    shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    Yes, indeed so. So the trick is to try to anticipate.

    To my mind the striking thing is the mismatch between the betting (indicating that punters expect around 30-34 SNP seats) and the existing Scottish polls, which indicate an SNP total well over 40 and perhaps over 50. If the Ashcroft poll shows, in aggregate, a similar result to the various Scottish polls, I anticipate that that discrepancy will diminish - i.e. that the spreads and the line will move upwards, and the individual constitency prices for the SNP will shorten.

    This seems likely. In principle, there seems to be no reason why Lord Ashcroft's pollsters should find a picture very different from what the others have been finding. It might be the case that the two-stage question will prompt respondents substantially towards the incumbent, to the detriment of the SNP's showing. However, I have a hunch that this won't be so; Scottish voters seem distinctly disgruntled with their (mainly Labour) Westminster MPs.
    Given yesterday's YouGov poll again showing the SNP with a huge lead, I'd be suspicious of the constituency polling if it did not find very similar results. Since there is no track record of Lord Ashcroft's constituency polls varying that markedly from the national picture, I don't see why it should start now.

    I have long been a bull on SNP prospects in constituency betting. As from tomorrow, I expect that the party will be over, at least in terms of being able to back the SNP at odds against in constituencies where they should really be odds on. Ah well, it's lasted a long time.
    I think the party is already pretty much over in the constituency betting, in the last couple of days Ladbrokes have finally moved the SNP to the odds on favourite for my constituency, Stirling, two months too late in my view. I think Ladbrokes could have done a lot better by just polling their Scottish betting shop staff !!

    In the unlikely event that Lord A's polling holds out any hope for Labour, this will be quickly extinguished by the SNP deploying it's massive ground resources to squash any remaining SLAB/LibDem aspirations.

    Depending how bad things are looking, I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Murphy decides to stand down in favour of Blair McDougall, so Jim can concentrate on Holyrood 2016.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    So Ed's clean campaign only extends to Mr Cameron - not Mrs Cameron. Are the kids fair game ?

    Stay classy Labour.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Anorak said:

    Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.

    Eric Honecker had the right idea. No terrorism on his watch. Sound politics.
    Yeah: in his case the terror was carried out by the State.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    BenM said:

    And another UKIP parliamentary candidate bites the dust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31108823

    This is the problem when your Party ethos is built up on tabloid newspaper agendas.

    What a joke of a Party UKIP is.

    The comment from UKIP's chairman that they were "sorry to lose him" seems the strangest part of the story. Surely they should be delighted to lose him?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31099106

    Con Minority, SNP Absteining in trouble :) ?
  • Miss Cyclefree, very sad to see that sort of nonsense.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    BenM said:

    And another UKIP parliamentary candidate bites the dust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31108823

    This is the problem when your Party ethos is built up on tabloid newspaper agendas.

    What a joke of a Party UKIP is.

    No Joke at all. UKIP get rid of suspected fascist supporting individuals. Unlike labour and Tory who keep there more fascistic members under wraps; or even more reprehensible, make excuses for them.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MikeK said:

    BenM said:

    And another UKIP parliamentary candidate bites the dust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31108823

    This is the problem when your Party ethos is built up on tabloid newspaper agendas.

    What a joke of a Party UKIP is.

    UKIP get rid of suspected fascist supporting individuals.
    But apparently they are "sorry to see them go".
  • MikeK said:

    Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.

    I think it very serious, when terrorists feel free to attack an armed patrol on the streets of Nice and seemingly - till we get more news - get away with it.

    BTW, Nice is where I once met an Italian girl from Genoa and had a brief affair; many years ago now. :)
    Nice is where I was buzzed on the beach by a military helicopter. In December.

    Sounds like you had a better trip!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,989
    Afternoon all :)

    I'd have thought from a betting perspective the impact of the Ashcroft polling might be stronger on the LD and SNP numbers rather than the LAB or CON numbers. Assuming the shrewd souls who bought SNP seats at 20 or less a long time ago haven't cashed out (and why would they ?) they should be sitting very pretty unless tomorrow is much better for Labour than anyone suspects/hopes/fears (delete as appropriate).

    The LD situation is more interesting - Ashcroft's constituency polling in England has been fairly positive for the Party and is probably a lot to do with the seat numbers spread being as high as it is. IF it looks as though the LDs will be reduced to 1-2 Scottish MPs that will impact on that figure and make 27.5 look a viable SELL.

    OTOH, a more solid LD performance and a retention of say 4-6 seats would be tempting for buyers at 29.5 as it might confirm incumbency and resilience helping prop up the LD seat figure nationally quite apart from any possible gains in rural Wales and the end of the Metropolitan Line.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Cyclefree said:

    Anorak said:

    Mr. K, it's serious, but not quite at that stage.

    Hollande's in catch-22. Withdraw the army and people may feel afraid (and it could make them more open to attack). Have patrols and guards on duty and they're targets.

    Eric Honecker had the right idea. No terrorism on his watch. Sound politics.
    Yeah: in his case the terror was carried out by the State.
    Not if you behaved. Crime was also low. Sound politics.

    Joking aside, I was fascinated by the diabolical psychological techiques employed by the Stasi. They effectively induced madness by conducting long-term interference in dissidents lives. From wiki:

    Tactics employed under Zersetzung generally involved the disruption of the victim's private or family life. This often included psychological attacks such as breaking into homes and subtly manipulating the contents – moving furniture, altering the timing of an alarm, removing pictures from walls or replacing one variety of tea with another. Other practices included property damage, sabotage of cars, purposely incorrect medical treatment, smear campaigns including sending falsified compromising photos or documents to the victim's family, denunciation, provocation, psychological warfare, psychological subversion, wiretapping, bugging, mysterious phone calls or unnecessary deliveries, even including sending a vibrator to a target's wife. Usually victims had no idea the Stasi were responsible. Many thought they were losing their minds.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,989
    TGOHF said:

    So Ed's clean campaign only extends to Mr Cameron - not Mrs Cameron. Are the kids fair game ?

    Stay classy Labour.

    Unfortunately, there are no such limits to the persistent smearing of Ed M and his immediate family by the pro-Conservative media.

    It's not pleasant but somebody did once opine politics was "a rough trade". Still, he had gone through a similar experience to what seems to be a common happening around dockside areas to people in the world's oldest profession.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 6m6 minutes ago
    French soldiers attacked by knife-wielding man in Nice were patrolling outside a Jewish community centre http://bbc.in/18KhHfO
  • Pulpstar said:

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted

    Is this the poll that put Labour 11 points ahead?

    I take it that this is not the new Gold Standard?
    Yes, that one. That's the only one that's on the record in the last week, and it's not an official VI poll
  • MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 5m5 minutes ago
    Three soldiers on anti-terror patrol in Nice, southern France, wounded in knife attack, French police say http://bbc.in/1LI7Nu8

    Blimey! looks like incipient civil war about to start in France.

    The BBC article you link to now states that the attacker has been arrested, and that light wounds were suffered by two soldiers of the three strong patrol. It also says that accomplices are on the run.
  • ELBOW so far this week (Populus/Ashcroft/YG):

    Lab 1.8% ahead (cf. 1.7% in the simple average)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

  • calum said:

    antifrank said:

    shadsy said:

    But once you've seen the numbers and the bookies have seen the numbers, you're no better off than when neither side had seen the numbers.

    Yes, indeed so. So the trick is to try to anticipate.

    To my mind the striking thing is the mismatch between the betting (indicating that punters expect around 30-34 SNP seats) and the existing Scottish polls, which indicate an SNP total well over 40 and perhaps over 50. If the Ashcroft poll shows, in aggregate, a similar result to the various Scottish polls, I anticipate that that discrepancy will diminish - i.e. that the spreads and the line will move upwards, and the individual constitency prices for the SNP will shorten.

    This seems likely. In principle, there seems to be no reason why Lord Ashcroft's pollsters should find a picture very different from what the others have been finding. It might be the case that the two-stage question will prompt respondents substantially towards the incumbent, to the detriment of the SNP's showing. However, I have a hunch that this won't be so; Scottish voters seem distinctly disgruntled with their (mainly Labour) Westminster MPs.
    Given yesterday's YouGov poll again showing the SNP with a huge lead, I'd be suspicious of the constituency polling if it did not find very similar results. Since there is no track record of Lord Ashcroft's constituency polls varying that markedly from the national picture, I don't see why it should start now.

    I have long been a bull on SNP prospects in constituency betting. As from tomorrow, I expect that the party will be over, at least in terms of being able to back the SNP at odds against in constituencies where they should really be odds on. Ah well, it's lasted a long time.
    I think the party is already pretty much over in the constituency betting, in the last couple of days Ladbrokes have finally moved the SNP to the odds on favourite for my constituency, Stirling, two months too late in my view. I think Ladbrokes could have done a lot better by just polling their Scottish betting shop staff !!

    In the unlikely event that Lord A's polling holds out any hope for Labour, this will be quickly extinguished by the SNP deploying it's massive ground resources to squash any remaining SLAB/LibDem aspirations.

    Depending how bad things are looking, I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Murphy decides to stand down in favour of Blair McDougall, so Jim can concentrate on Holyrood 2016.
    The SNP by my reckoning are still odds against in 29 seats right now. If the national polling is anything like correct, that's at least 10 seats too many and probably more.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Neil said:

    MikeK said:

    BenM said:

    And another UKIP parliamentary candidate bites the dust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31108823

    This is the problem when your Party ethos is built up on tabloid newspaper agendas.

    What a joke of a Party UKIP is.

    UKIP get rid of suspected fascist supporting individuals.
    But apparently they are "sorry to see them go".
    We are always sorry to lose a candidate like that.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    stodge said:

    TGOHF said:

    So Ed's clean campaign only extends to Mr Cameron - not Mrs Cameron. Are the kids fair game ?

    Stay classy Labour.

    Unfortunately, there are no such limits to the persistent smearing of Ed M and his immediate family by the pro-Conservative media.

    It's not pleasant but somebody did once opine politics was "a rough trade". Still, he had gone through a similar experience to what seems to be a common happening around dockside areas to people in the world's oldest profession.

    I don't like that sort of smearing no matter which politician or his family are attacked. There are limits and politicians' spouses and children are off limits, it seems to me.

  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    The anti kippers on here are set to make a small fortune selling UKIP on the spreads.
  • Pulpstar said:

    NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 2m2 minutes ago
    TNS have informed me that their phone poll was NOT intended to be a snapshot of voting intention and pv weighting was not used. Have deleted

    Have they? Does this link no longer work?

    http://www.tnsglobal.com/press-release/latest-polling-from-tns-on-uk-voter-intention
    http://www.tnsglobal.com/sites/default/files/TNS_BMRB_Tables_-_All_adults.pdf
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    The anti kippers on here are set to make a small fortune selling UKIP on the spreads.

    You will probably win a little, but there is a big risk to that strategy.

    They are however most likely a Sell though.
  • Sean_F said:

    BenM said:

    What's with the TNS-BMRB poll fieldwork ended 2nd Feb being tweeted all over the place?

    Is it official or not?

    It's official. And, it's embargoed.

    Embargoes by being Tweeted?
    :)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Righto. Minister says tuition fees not a problem because same as spending NEARLY £25 every day on a drink made out of cat droppings.



  • Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    This is getting very close to Baldrick's offerings in Blackadder Goes Forth.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MikeK said:

    Neil said:

    MikeK said:

    BenM said:

    And another UKIP parliamentary candidate bites the dust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-31108823

    This is the problem when your Party ethos is built up on tabloid newspaper agendas.

    What a joke of a Party UKIP is.

    UKIP get rid of suspected fascist supporting individuals.
    But apparently they are "sorry to see them go".
    We are always sorry to lose a candidate like that.
    I'll leave the ambiguity hanging...

  • Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Mud and dandruff?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,989
    Cyclefree said:

    stodge said:

    TGOHF said:

    So Ed's clean campaign only extends to Mr Cameron - not Mrs Cameron. Are the kids fair game ?

    Stay classy Labour.

    Unfortunately, there are no such limits to the persistent smearing of Ed M and his immediate family by the pro-Conservative media.

    It's not pleasant but somebody did once opine politics was "a rough trade". Still, he had gone through a similar experience to what seems to be a common happening around dockside areas to people in the world's oldest profession.

    I don't like that sort of smearing no matter which politician or his family are attacked. There are limits and politicians' spouses and children are off limits, it seems to me.

    Agree completely. The problem is it's completely unenforceable regrettably.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    The anti kippers on here are set to make a small fortune selling UKIP on the spreads.

    You will probably win a little, but there is a big risk to that strategy.

    They are however most likely a Sell though.
    Selling UKIP on the spreads at the current price makes little sense. Your risk-reward ratio is massively skewed (and not in your favour!). It's better to bet on one of the over/under markets, eg under 6.5 @ 1.73 Betfair Sportsbook.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    MikeK said:

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 5m5 minutes ago
    Three soldiers on anti-terror patrol in Nice, southern France, wounded in knife attack, French police say http://bbc.in/1LI7Nu8

    Blimey! looks like incipient civil war about to start in France.

    The BBC article you link to now states that the attacker has been arrested, and that light wounds were suffered by two soldiers of the three strong patrol. It also says that accomplices are on the run.
    No wonder Jews in France are thinking of leaving.

    How long can the French state keep this up? Are the army going to be deployed indefinitely to guard places where Jews congregate?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Righto. Minister says tuition fees not a problem because same as spending NEARLY £25 every day on a drink made out of cat droppings.



    I'm not blowing Mr Clark's trumpet but isn't he claiming the cost is... £2.22 a day ?

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    stodge said:

    Cyclefree said:

    stodge said:

    TGOHF said:

    So Ed's clean campaign only extends to Mr Cameron - not Mrs Cameron. Are the kids fair game ?

    Stay classy Labour.

    Unfortunately, there are no such limits to the persistent smearing of Ed M and his immediate family by the pro-Conservative media.

    It's not pleasant but somebody did once opine politics was "a rough trade". Still, he had gone through a similar experience to what seems to be a common happening around dockside areas to people in the world's oldest profession.

    I don't like that sort of smearing no matter which politician or his family are attacked. There are limits and politicians' spouses and children are off limits, it seems to me.

    Agree completely. The problem is it's completely unenforceable regrettably.

    Tbf anyone who goes after a spouse or child in that way is likely to suffer more than the intended victim. Just look at how stupid those who go on and on about Ed's father look, for example.

  • Hague has failed to stop the SNP having the casting vote on English laws.

    As a result the SNP will have a strong negotiating hand after the general election.

    Dog wags tail - not news

    Tail wags dog - bad news
  • Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Righto. Minister says tuition fees not a problem because same as spending NEARLY £25 every day on a drink made out of cat droppings.



    The Evening Standard says that cup of coffee would set you back £70 - so the nearly £25 cup of coffee must be something of a cheapo effort for the 0.01%ers...

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/the-70-cup-of-coffee-with-a-dirty-secret-6379689.html
  • Hague has failed to stop the SNP having the casting vote on English laws.

    As a result the SNP will have a strong negotiating hand after the general election.

    Dog wags tail - not news

    Tail wags dog - bad news

    Maybe "Yes" should have won?
  • Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    Eh? Wasn't he simply saying that it's equivalent to a graduate spending £2.22 on a coffee each day. Lots of graduates (and non-graduates, for that matter) do so, judging by how busy the take-away coffee places are.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Are the army going to be deployed indefinitely to guard places where Jews congregate?

    Those scenes in France look a bit like the Troubles in Northern Ireland.
  • Anyone else see the problem in getting a decent renegotiation settlement when both Osborne and Cameron are such virulent EUphiles?

    "The prospect of Osborne playing the decisive role after Cameron in EU negotiations will be seen as a clear sign that the prime minister is determined to keep Britain in the EU – assuming that the negotiations are successful. Osborne regards the negotiations as “doable”.

    Osborne believes that Britain enhances its position on the world stage in the EU. The chancellor believes that opponents of British membership are neither coherent nor credible in believing the UK could renegotiate membership terms along the lines of Switzerland and Norway."

    What a lot of meaningless guff.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Righto. Minister says tuition fees not a problem because same as spending NEARLY £25 every day on a drink made out of cat droppings.



    You don't pay back £9,000 a year, so your maths is wrong. The article explains exactly how he comes up with his figures:

    "The Conservative minister, speaking at a science and engineering debate at the Royal Society last month, said: 'First of all it is important that we don't distract from the fact that for students under the system that we have, if you have a great education you only pay back if you're earning over £21,000 and only 9 per cent of your earnings above that.

    'What that means is if you earn £30,000 as a graduate you bay back £2.22 a day, now there are people who buy cups of posh coffee for less than that, and I think people recognise that that is a phenomenal investment, it's not just a good investment for the student, but actually it's a good investment for the taxpayer.' "

    By the way, that civet cat coffee is very nice.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Righto. Minister says tuition fees not a problem because same as spending NEARLY £25 every day on a drink made out of cat droppings.



    Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Yet another tosser with a free Uni education tells young people to cough up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937863/Tory-minister-insists-9-000-year-tuition-fees-not-expensive-cost-posh-coffee-day-repay.html

    Being a right twat seems to be the pre-requisite for the position of Universities Minister.

    By my reckoning that nitwit spends £24.65 each and every day on coffee.......

    That's not posh coffee. That's coffee for those with more money than sense.

    It's probably expensive coffee made out of civet cat excrement, or weasel vomit.

    Righto. Minister says tuition fees not a problem because same as spending NEARLY £25 every day on a drink made out of cat droppings.



    http://www.theloveofcoffee.co.uk/kopi-luwak-x28civet-cat-coffeex29-543-p.asp

  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,989
    By the way, I am NOT Stonch and do not own or run a gaff in trendy south-west London.

    I am however reminded of some lines from a classic 1980s ditty:

    "Propping up the bar at the Finborough Arms
    A VAT on the slate, please, Stonch, and TSE's looking for a sub
    OGH is on for a nice little earner
    Eagles getting flak and he's on to a loser
    Minding the polls and the social media
    Looking for a rumour about the latest YouGov
    Pound to a euro he won't get paid
    On account of the recession
    In the fixed-odds betting trade"

    I'll get me trilby...

  • Enjoyable turn of phrase from Alex Massie:

    "I wouldn’t dare to be so uncouth as to suggest [Scottish] Labour are fucked but they’re hardly unfucked either."

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/unless-something-changes-soon-scottish-labour-is-doomed/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Hague has failed to stop the SNP having the casting vote on English laws.

    As a result the SNP will have a strong negotiating hand after the general election.

    Dog wags tail - not news

    Tail wags dog - bad news

    Maybe "Yes" should have won?
    I think complaining that Scottish MPs can make decisions in a UK House of Parliament after just having had a referendum affirming their place in the union is a bit rich personally.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Hague has failed to stop the SNP having the casting vote on English laws.

    Except that's bollocks.

    Other than that, carry on
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