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After yesterday’s poll from Lord Ashcroft showing the Greens on 11 percent there’s news this afternoon that ICM, also a phone pollster, has the party on 9 percent – an increase of four points on last month.
Classic Lynton Crosby attempt to split the opposition. Think it could backfire on the Tories to have more prominent voices offering counterpoints to their nonsense in the media though.
Do we think that people giving a VI of green are more likely to have voted at the last GE compared with Ukip? Could that be why they are doing better with those pollsters who put quite a bit of emphasis on voting at the last election?
Classic Lynton Crosby attempt to split the opposition. Think it could backfire on the Tories to have more prominent voices offering counterpoints to their nonsense in the media though.
Do we think that people giving a VI of green are more likely to have voted at the last GE compared with Ukip? Could that be why they are doing better with those pollsters who put quite a bit of emphasis on voting at the last election?
Ipsos-Mori don't weight by past vote, and they've had Greens on the high side.
When does the investigation of Green policies start in the media? It could make the UKIP investigations look like a an easy ride compared to the stuff lurking in the Green policies. But then where will the NOTAs go? WNV?
This is the most interesting finding after the VI in the polling.
While health continues to be a Conservative weakness, the Tories can take some comfort from a question regarding the blame game for rising A&E waits. A substantial minority, 38%, blame “reforms and financial choices” made by the coalition, but a slender majority – 52% – regard the root problem as being “budgetary pressures and mismanagement which would be much the same under any government”.
Interesting comment re Greens taking votes from UKIP - Which sounds like nonsense, until you consider that UKIP originally took votes from the Lib Dems. So maybe a more palatable NOTA plus some genuine support.
Do we think that people giving a VI of green are more likely to have voted at the last GE compared with Ukip? Could that be why they are doing better with those pollsters who put quite a bit of emphasis on voting at the last election?
Ipsos-Mori don't weight by past vote, and they've had Greens on the high side.
Thanks for that. If the Greens did poll this highly they could have as much if not more of an impact than Ukip. They could really hurt the Lib Dems even though this particular poll is relatively okay for the yellows.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I have already put a lot on the SNP and I'm in quite deep on their side, but every poll like this makes me feel that I need to make the SNP the core of my 2015 betting strategy, and to keep hitting the bookies now. I think I need a chat with my other half about betting funds.
If I get this wrong though, his 50th birthday could be a fairly awkward day for me - it's 8 May.
Re the Hayward suggestion that the polls are understating the Tories, I'm still investigating...
One thing I would highlight re 2010 is that the polls did underestimate the Conservatives, as they have at every election since 1983, but Labour were underestimated as well, with the Lib Dems overestimated. The assumption has been that this was Cleggmania exaggerating the Lib Dem vote share at the (roughly equal) expense of Labour and the Tories. That makes sense, but we can't be sure that that was the reason, we just think it was...
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I have already put a lot on the SNP and I'm in quite deep on their side, but every poll like this makes me feel that I need to make the SNP the core of my 2015 betting strategy, and to keep hitting the bookies now. I think I need a chat with my other half about betting funds.
If I get this wrong though, his 50th birthday could be a fairly awkward day for me - it's 8 May.
I said a while back, Scotland could make or break a few PBers on General election night.
I think is wise not to talk about how much we've got staked on this election. I get enough sneers about how much I invest on that political betting shite.
"Looking at the headline figures it appears as though the Lib Dems and UKIP have borne the brunt of the Green surge. "
I don't think that really follows. It doesn't make sense to assume that a party with flat numbers has kept exactly the same people as it had last time. It just means that their gains and losses cancelled out
I think is wise not to talk about how much we've got staked on this election. I get enough sneers about how much I invest on that political betting shite.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I have already put a lot on the SNP and I'm in quite deep on their side, but every poll like this makes me feel that I need to make the SNP the core of my 2015 betting strategy, and to keep hitting the bookies now. I think I need a chat with my other half about betting funds.
If I get this wrong though, his 50th birthday could be a fairly awkward day for me - it's 8 May.
Do we think that people giving a VI of green are more likely to have voted at the last GE compared with Ukip? Could that be why they are doing better with those pollsters who put quite a bit of emphasis on voting at the last election?
Ipsos-Mori don't weight by past vote, and they've had Greens on the high side.
Thanks for that. If the Greens did poll this highly they could have as much if not more of an impact than Ukip. They could really hurt the Lib Dems even though this particular poll is relatively okay for the yellows.
"relatively okay for the yellows" This ICM poll is only 1% above Lib Dems worst ICM polls for this parliament.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
I think is wise not to talk about how much we've got staked on this election. I get enough sneers about how much I invest on that political betting shite.
Novel use of the word "invest"
Yeah, you need novel uses of the English language when explaining why you're staying up till 4am to watch the US Presidential Debates, because you've bet on the colour of Mitt Romney's tie and what words he might say.
Trying to explain the Santorum surge was funny though.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats. and the country's economy is fkd
Do we think that people giving a VI of green are more likely to have voted at the last GE compared with Ukip? Could that be why they are doing better with those pollsters who put quite a bit of emphasis on voting at the last election?
Ipsos-Mori don't weight by past vote, and they've had Greens on the high side.
Thanks for that. If the Greens did poll this highly they could have as much if not more of an impact than Ukip. They could really hurt the Lib Dems even though this particular poll is relatively okay for the yellows.
"relatively okay for the yellows" This ICM poll is only 1% above Lib Dems worst ICM polls for this parliament.
Fair point, I was forgetting that ICM are generally favourable to the Lib Dems. It's hard to see the pollsters closing together as the election approaches. At least one or two pollsters are going to be out by some margin.
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
Mr. Fire, possibly. The other electoral alternative is pressure for English devolution. The danger there is Labour will bugger it up by gerrymandering divisiveness.
Do we think that people giving a VI of green are more likely to have voted at the last GE compared with Ukip? Could that be why they are doing better with those pollsters who put quite a bit of emphasis on voting at the last election?
Ipsos-Mori don't weight by past vote, and they've had Greens on the high side.
Thanks for that. If the Greens did poll this highly they could have as much if not more of an impact than Ukip. They could really hurt the Lib Dems even though this particular poll is relatively okay for the yellows.
"relatively okay for the yellows" This ICM poll is only 1% above Lib Dems worst ICM polls for this parliament.
Fair point, I was forgetting that ICM are generally favourable to the Lib Dems. It's hard to see the pollsters closing together as the election approaches. At least one or two pollsters are going to be out by some margin.
"At least one or two pollsters are going to be out by some margin."
That increases the overall accuracy - Nate Silver talks about this on 538.com
If the pollsters "herd" it will probably be towards a false average, which decreases the overall accuracy. Averaging diverse methodology polls is the correct way to go.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
If Tories are sensible, they will realise they've lost more voters to the right than the left, and realise you can't get into office riding one horse. They will then tailor their policy platform so that it includes "right wing" positions where such positions have majority support. Immigration is the obvious one, seeing that it is the second most important issue to the British people and half the public wants to see significant reductions.
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
If Tories are sensible,
Err, when has that ever been the case? They'll lose and implode, as always. It's so predictable.
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
And how many MPs does this right-wing media have?
Hundreds, given its readership in marginal constituencies. I suppose you believe politicians govern without reference to the media?
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
The Daily Mail press room will be a sight to see.
"And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that pesky AV referendum!"
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
If Tories are sensible, they will realise they've lost more voters to the right than the left, and realise you can't get into office riding one horse. They will then tailor their policy platform so that it includes "right wing" positions where such positions have majority support. Immigration is the obvious one, seeing that it is the second most important issue to the British people and half the public wants to see significant reductions.
They could try that but how many people will believe them? On immigration, for instance, what could Cameron say? Vote for us and we will reduce net immigration to the tens of thousands; honest, we mean it this time?
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
If Tories are sensible,
Err, when has that ever been the case? They'll lose and implode, as always. It's so predictable.
Well, it'll be their own damn fault if it happens. There have been a lot of reluctant defectors that have told them what's needed to be won back, and the general reaction has been to put two fingers up at them.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I'm beginning to think that a more sensible thing to do is to look at 2005 votes rather than 2010 votes for getting an idea at what the SNP has to overcome. 2010 was a massive high water mark for SLab at Westminster. 2005 might give a better idea of the summits that need ot be scaled by SNP.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
How does Minority Ed work with SNP not voting on English matters? Oh I see... Salmond is a liar?
Worth noting that whichever (of the main two) parties loses may well indulge in some old-fashioned blood letting, but the winner will have problems too. The deficit remains a substantial problem and there's a collusion of silence on seriously addressing it. Failure to do so could lead to seriously bad economic consequences, even without the potential destruction of the eurozone, which remains an insane and unworkable nonsense.
Edited extra bit: this means UKIP will continue to enjoy the opportunity to grow substantially. Likewise the SNP. If the Lib Dems avoid government then they might be able to bounce back.
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Goodness -how wet can you get. Only yesterday they were ahead with Ashcroft and on 35%with Populus. There's a long way to go yet. Still enormous potential for one of several outcomes on all sides. You need to grow a pair.
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
And how many MPs does this right-wing media have?
Hundreds, given its readership in marginal constituencies. I suppose you believe politicians govern without reference to the media?
They don't vote themselves out of jobs-for-life, that's for sure.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I'm beginning to think that a more sensible thing to do is to look at 2005 votes rather than 2010 votes for getting an idea at what the SNP has to overcome. 2010 was a massive high water mark for SLab at Westminster. 2005 might give a better idea of the summits that need ot be scaled by SNP.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Tories implode, as they will, and Ed's sitting pretty beyond 2020.
If Tories are sensible, they will realise they've lost more voters to the right than the left, and realise you can't get into office riding one horse. They will then tailor their policy platform so that it includes "right wing" positions where such positions have majority support. Immigration is the obvious one, seeing that it is the second most important issue to the British people and half the public wants to see significant reductions.
They could try that but how many people will believe them? On immigration, for instance, what could Cameron say? Vote for us and we will reduce net immigration to the tens of thousands; honest, we mean it this time?
Exactly. Cameron has promised a referendum but this very site is clogged with voices calling him a liar.
Whatever he says now, the same commentators will be accusing him of telling porky pies just to get their votes.
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Goodness -how wet can you get. Only yesterday they were ahead with Ashcroft and on 35%with Populus. There's a long way to go yet. Still enormous potential for one of several outcomes on all sides. You need to grow a pair.
Give him a break, the poor sod may have to vote tactically.
Salmond may be all sorts of things but certainly has a claim to be the most successful electoral politician of this generation along with Tony Blair - oh and Salmond didn't take part in illegal wars!
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Goodness -how wet can you get. Only yesterday they were ahead with Ashcroft and on 35%with Populus. There's a long way to go yet. Still enormous potential for one of several outcomes on all sides. You need to grow a pair.
So far this month, Labour have averaged about a 1% lead. I can't imagine Margaret Thatcher, or John Major for that matter, throwing in the towel because they were 1% behind.
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Goodness -how wet can you get. Only yesterday they were ahead with Ashcroft and on 35%with Populus. There's a long way to go yet. Still enormous potential for one of several outcomes on all sides. You need to grow a pair.
Give him a break, the poor sod may have to vote tactically.
LABOUR.
If he's typical of Scottish Tories it explains so much about the past 25 years.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
How does Minority Ed work with SNP not voting on English matters? Oh I see... Salmond is a liar?
I think his definition of "English matters" might prove to be quite flexible. It really wouldn't be difficult for the government to put a kilt on a variety of measures to justify SNP support.
It also depends on the numbers. In most cases it might be enough for Labour to have a majority that the SNP simply abstain. If Ed has 310 seats and the SNP 25 that would work every time.
Egg on the faces of those who dismissed the Ashcroft poll yesterday that showed a similar surge for the Greens.
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Why? Who's going to vote for it to change?
The right-wing media will show a sudden enthusiasm for electoral reform when Labour from a minority government on a much lower share of the vote than Con+UKIP.
And how many MPs does this right-wing media have?
Hundreds, given its readership in marginal constituencies. I suppose you believe politicians govern without reference to the media?
They don't vote themselves out of jobs-for-life, that's for sure.
No reason why someone should not win a seat in several Parliaments under PR, provided they keep in touch with their electorate. That’s not necessarily pork-barrelling either. One fellow round here who was very popular often used to tell people; sorry, can’t help. Sadly the riub of the political green did for him, although he did better than was expected.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I'm beginning to think that a more sensible thing to do is to look at 2005 votes rather than 2010 votes for getting an idea at what the SNP has to overcome. 2010 was a massive high water mark for SLab at Westminster. 2005 might give a better idea of the summits that need ot be scaled by SNP.
I believe I am already on Livingston although not with a vast level of joy in my heart. For some reason I am not feeling it.
After all is that not what betting is about, going for crazy hunches and gut feeling rather than coldly calculating the odds with a piercing analytically insight.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I'm beginning to think that a more sensible thing to do is to look at 2005 votes rather than 2010 votes for getting an idea at what the SNP has to overcome. 2010 was a massive high water mark for SLab at Westminster. 2005 might give a better idea of the summits that need ot be scaled by SNP.
I believe I am already on Livingston although not with a vast level of joy in my heart. For some reason I am not feeling it.
After all is that not what betting is about, going for crazy hunches and gut feeling rather than coldly calculating the odds with a piercing analytically insight.
Now wait, it's the second one.
It is those whopping majorities, look tough to bet against.
I suppose this poll just shows how awful December was for the tories. Was that the month when hopes of victory finally crumbled?
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
Goodness -how wet can you get. Only yesterday they were ahead with Ashcroft and on 35%with Populus. There's a long way to go yet. Still enormous potential for one of several outcomes on all sides. You need to grow a pair.
So far this month, Labour have averaged about a 1% lead. I can't imagine Margaret Thatcher, or John Major for that matter, throwing in the towel because they were 1% behind.
For January so far: Simple average Lab lead =1.4% ELBOW Lab lead =1.3%
Two polls in two days that show a movement down for UKIP and a bigger move upwards for the Greens, and if repeated by the next poll would put the Greens in third place.
Well the good news is that my small bet that the Lib Dems are going to get more than 4x UKIP is looking pretty nailed on. At this level of polling 9 Lib Dem MPs should be enough.
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
How does Minority Ed work with SNP not voting on English matters? Oh I see... Salmond is a liar?
I think his definition of "English matters" might prove to be quite flexible. It really wouldn't be difficult for the government to put a kilt on a variety of measures to justify SNP support.
It also depends on the numbers. In most cases it might be enough for Labour to have a majority that the SNP simply abstain. If Ed has 310 seats and the SNP 25 that would work every time.
Its very simple - just tie spending to it and 'Barnett consequentials' come into play - one of the issues with EVEL is taking UK spending out of 'English' legislation - so even NHS legislation (both fully devolved) often (not entirely unreasonably) involve Scottish & Welsh MPs voting as spending is affected.
It is those whopping majorities, look tough to bet against.
True, but so is a 20-point swing.
The thing you have to ask yourself is where is Labour support going to hold up best? If they're losing a third of their vote or more, where is that taking place?
It's most unlikely to be a uniform loss of support.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I'm beginning to think that a more sensible thing to do is to look at 2005 votes rather than 2010 votes for getting an idea at what the SNP has to overcome. 2010 was a massive high water mark for SLab at Westminster. 2005 might give a better idea of the summits that need ot be scaled by SNP.
I believe I am already on Livingston although not with a vast level of joy in my heart. For some reason I am not feeling it.
After all is that not what betting is about, going for crazy hunches and gut feeling rather than coldly calculating the odds with a piercing analytically insight.
Now wait, it's the second one.
It is those whopping majorities, look tough to bet against.
I would like to start a prediction game on which Scottish constituency SNP price is going to fall /rise the most after the Ashcroft constituency polls - guess voided if it is one of the constituencies specifically polled by Ashcroft.
It is those whopping majorities, look tough to bet against.
True, but so is a 20-point swing.
The thing you have to ask yourself is where is Labour support going to hold up best? If they're losing a third of their vote or more, where is that taking place?
It's most unlikely to be a uniform loss of support.
The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
Merci bien. A stonking performance on their part.
Yeah, follow the polls.
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
I'm beginning to think that a more sensible thing to do is to look at 2005 votes rather than 2010 votes for getting an idea at what the SNP has to overcome. 2010 was a massive high water mark for SLab at Westminster. 2005 might give a better idea of the summits that need ot be scaled by SNP.
Differential turnout.
The Indyref turnout was close to 85%.
I can't see that being replicated in the General Election.
Now of those voters who voted in September, which segments are more likely to turnout.
I can see arguments both in favour and against Yes/SNP leaners.
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The SNP are on 5% in this poll (and 52% in the smallish sub-sample)
NOTAs or NUTTERS find a new home instead of UKIP or the Lib Dems?
Like you, I'm amazed at the prices in the Scottish Constituencies.
While health continues to be a Conservative weakness, the Tories can take some comfort from a question regarding the blame game for rising A&E waits. A substantial minority, 38%, blame “reforms and financial choices” made by the coalition, but a slender majority – 52% – regard the root problem as being “budgetary pressures and mismanagement which would be much the same under any government”.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/poll-labour-lead-fall-green-conservative-lib-dem-ukip
Surprised that the Lib Dems are relatively high and UKIP so poor.
Definitely an election of two halves, with reds and blues vying for top spot and the SNP, UKIP, Lib Dems and Greens trying to improve their prospects.
If I get this wrong though, his 50th birthday could be a fairly awkward day for me - it's 8 May.
One thing I would highlight re 2010 is that the polls did underestimate the Conservatives, as they have at every election since 1983, but Labour were underestimated as well, with the Lib Dems overestimated. The assumption has been that this was Cleggmania exaggerating the Lib Dem vote share at the (roughly equal) expense of Labour and the Tories. That makes sense, but we can't be sure that that was the reason, we just think it was...
I've read Hayward's presentation ( http://www.conservativehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/General-Election-2015.pptx ) and yes there is some evidence of a shy Tory factor, and reasons for pollsters to be nervous, but considering the obvious caveats, about different types of polls/elections, I don't see any smoking gun in there.
BUT - there is one piece of evidence (the thing I thought he'd looked at) that it seems he hasn't considered... So I'm taking a look at the moment
I think is wise not to talk about how much we've got staked on this election. I get enough sneers about how much I invest on that political betting shite.
I don't think that really follows. It doesn't make sense to assume that a party with flat numbers has kept exactly the same people as it had last time. It just means that their gains and losses cancelled out
My second small bet that the Lib Dems will outpoll UKIP is still looking problematic but less so than it has for most of the last few months.
The bad news is that we are probably heading to a minority Labour government under Ed and a significant SNP presence in a febrile Commons. Man the lifeboats.
Trying to explain the Santorum surge was funny though.
and the country's economy is fkd
If we get a GE result like this, it will probably be the last election fought under FPTP.
Can we get that pub or some such sorted ?
That increases the overall accuracy - Nate Silver talks about this on 538.com
If the pollsters "herd" it will probably be towards a false average, which decreases the overall accuracy. Averaging diverse methodology polls is the correct way to go.
Swingback went into reverse and the tories seem to have hit a glass ceiling in the very low 30s. The only way they can win is if Labour falls through the floor. With Ed anything is possible but it must be a long shot.
In Scotland.
But they are sitting pretty in England & Wales.
Con 1.99/2.00
Lab 2.02/2.04
Oh I see... Salmond is a liar?
Edited extra bit: this means UKIP will continue to enjoy the opportunity to grow substantially. Likewise the SNP. If the Lib Dems avoid government then they might be able to bounce back.
Livingston, Evens, SNP.
Whatever he says now, the same commentators will be accusing him of telling porky pies just to get their votes.
LABOUR.
Salmond may be all sorts of things but certainly has a claim to be the most successful electoral politician of this generation along with Tony Blair - oh and Salmond didn't take part in illegal wars!
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/policy-institute/events/assets/Speech-macpherson190115.pdf
It also depends on the numbers. In most cases it might be enough for Labour to have a majority that the SNP simply abstain. If Ed has 310 seats and the SNP 25 that would work every time.
After all is that not what betting is about, going for crazy hunches and gut feeling rather than coldly calculating the odds with a piercing analytically insight.
Now wait, it's the second one.
Welcome back.
Simple average Lab lead =1.4%
ELBOW Lab lead =1.3%
It's most unlikely to be a uniform loss of support.
Lab 34
Con 30
LD 11
UKIP 11
Greens 8
Just sayin'...
The Indyref turnout was close to 85%.
I can't see that being replicated in the General Election.
Now of those voters who voted in September, which segments are more likely to turnout.
I can see arguments both in favour and against Yes/SNP leaners.