What the hell is Cameron doing? Either he's being advised by security experts that don't understand the technology, or he just wants to pose as an authoritarian for electoral purposes?
Maybe a bit of both of those, but one more possibility is that what he's actually trying to get is something less extreme but still unreasonable/ambitious, and announcing it after building up this crazy thing will make it sound reasonable and moderate.
The other possibility is that this is in effect a "law and order" pitch for the election, and will get quietly dropped after the election if he wins, he's cutting back on police etc, so this is something he can posture about an makes him look tough without actually doing anything much after the election.
especially toward the end of the article for what would actually be involved in doing what Cameron says he wants to do, and then consider how idiotic, how ruinous unpopular, and how devastating economically such as proposal would be if it was actually going to be effectual.
If its not going to be effectual it's either: a) pointless expensive security theatre at the cost of the privacy of millions b) or the privacy of the millions if the real point, not catching the terrorists.
Interesting blog by Michael Crick reminding us that postal voting will effectively start the week after Easter week, so there is less time for the parties to get their message out.
Mr. Socrates, didn't we know industrial scale rape of children was wrong beforehand?
Or is he referring to Joyce Thacker's on-the-ball immediate response to the tragedy of some children being well-fostered by a loving couple who happened to support UKIP? Good job they were taken away. They might've read a UKIP leaflet, or come to some other form of serious harm.
At least an independent judge-led inquiry could have uncovered the full details. "Lessons must be learnt" in the most blase political-speak answer that is an insult to the thousands upon thousands of children that have been raped and tortured by this scandal.
At least an independent judge-led inquiry could have uncovered the full details. "Lessons must be learnt" in the most blase political-speak answer that is an insult to the thousands upon thousands of children that have been raped and tortured by this scandal.
At least an independent judge-led inquiry could have uncovered the full details. "Lessons must be learnt" in the most blase political-speak answer that is an insult to the thousands upon thousands of children that have been raped and tortured by this scandal.
Wasn't he asked "Lessons such as?"
It was a tightly controlled audience of Labourites. It's surprising the question got asked at all.
Marvellous. Just had a call which was either a fraud attempt or genuine but from someone whose Indian accent was so bloody thick repeated attempts to learn what the hell she wanted proved fruitless.
Marvellous. Just had a call which was either a fraud attempt or genuine but from someone whose Indian accent was so bloody thick repeated attempts to learn what the hell she wanted proved fruitless.
Mr Dancer, at least it wasn't a Brummie accent (just kidding!).
Incidentally, the first of the Rotherham Enquiry reports is due out today.
Any idea of the time so I can judge when pbc is likely to be completely unreadable by?
I presume if it says the 1,400 victims of child rape in Rotherham are merely collateral damage in the great multiculturalism experiment that will be fine with you?
I have just looked at what the polls were saying at the equivalent point in the last Parliament – mid-Jan 2010. Two polls – Yougov Con +9 – Opinium Con +4 – so giving an average of Con +6.5. This compares with the May 2010 result of Con +7.3 – so the final 16 weeks in 2010 saw a very slight swing to the Opposition
I've every faith that the Rotherham goings-on will be investigated thoroughly. It may be on or after May 8th but you can't rush these things.
"Justice rushed is justice crushed" as Ed forgot to say.
And what about those in East London, Oxford, Telford, Ipswich, Bradford, Birmingham etc?
In Keighley for instance:
"We've spoken to two mothers whose daughters became involved with these men. The mothers are afraid of what might happen to them if it's known they've spoken out... They believe the men are deliberately targeting impressionable girls some as young as 11 and 12...
The mothers have given police a list of 57 Asian men who their daughters say are involved..."
Incidentally, the first of the Rotherham Enquiry reports is due out today.
Any idea of the time so I can judge when pbc is likely to be completely unreadable by?
I presume if it says the 1,400 victims of child rape in Rotherham are merely collateral damage in the great multiculturalism experiment that will be fine with you?
You can presume away to your heart's content, dear.
Incidentally, the first of the Rotherham Enquiry reports is due out today.
Any idea of the time so I can judge when pbc is likely to be completely unreadable by?
I presume if it says the 1,400 victims of child rape in Rotherham are merely collateral damage in the great multiculturalism experiment that will be fine with you?
You can presume away to your heart's content, dear.
Surely you have an opinion on the case either way!
Dr. Prasannan, honestly, she would've gotten almost as much across in Bengali.
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
Dr. Prasannan, honestly, she would've gotten almost as much across in Bengali.
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
It's baffling.
Mr Dancer I have had calls where they say "we're calling about your accident" when I've had no accident to speak of!
Incidentally, the first of the Rotherham Enquiry reports is due out today.
Any idea of the time so I can judge when pbc is likely to be completely unreadable by?
I presume if it says the 1,400 victims of child rape in Rotherham are merely collateral damage in the great multiculturalism experiment that will be fine with you?
You can presume away to your heart's content, dear.
Dr. Prasannan, at least with those you know immediately it's nonsense. I'm pretty sure this is, but surely a competent fraudster would use someone with a less incomprehensible accent?
Ed Miliband was just asked what our response to Rotherham should be, and his response was that we must "learn the lessons". That's it.
"Learn the lessons".
Thousands of children raped. Possibly thousands more in similar circumstances in other towns. And the great action plan.
"Learn the lessons".
The lesson clearly being to make sure that such stories don't make it into the national press.
Yes. It means understand how it became a big media story, such that things can be tweaked such that it does not do so again, but not to make any changes in policy whatsoever.
A whole article on how A&E waiting times have got worse in Wales and NI (now 15-20% below target), and one mention of Labour, and not to state they run the show in Wales, oh no....the give they their soundbite criticising the government.
Go figure, the Janus party. Labour complain about... 1. A&E times in England although they are far worse in Labour run Wales. 2. That 1million people are missing from the voter registration change, a change that the Labour Govt initiated. 3. That the current Govt is not spending enough on the NHS although the current Govt is spending more than the last Labour Govt planned to spend on the NHS in the years since 2010. 4. That the level of tuition fees that were changed following the independent report was the wrong move by Govt even though the independent report was set up by the last Labour Govt.
Dr. Prasannan, honestly, she would've gotten almost as much across in Bengali.
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
It's baffling.
Mr Dancer I have had calls where they say "we're calling about your accident" when I've had no accident to speak of!
They are probably referring to your vote for UKIP in the Euros!
Ed Miliband was just asked what our response to Rotherham should be, and his response was that we must "learn the lessons". That's it.
"Learn the lessons".
Thousands of children raped. Possibly thousands more in similar circumstances in other towns. And the great action plan.
"Learn the lessons".
If he were a serious* politician he would have had enough time by now to have worked out what he thought those lessons were, so that he could say something other than a meaningless platitude.
I'm generally quite forgiving of politicians using platitudes in the near-term aftermath of an event, understanding the need for some time to come to better conclusions, rather than rushing to judgement.
Time has sadly proven that Miliband can be summed up by the excruciating interview he gave about one of the public-sector strikes, where he repeated his "round the table" soundbite over and over again. Still, at least he never posed with a banana.
* Not that I think we have many serious politicians.
Seems the loonies are running the shop in Pakistan... you'd have thought they may have been a bit more concerned about the recent school massacre by their fellow countrymen than some cartoons.
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
If Cameron gets his act together he could slaughter Ed in a 1-2-1 debate just by using this stuff.
Nah, he would rather hold out for the Greens......... Madness. Cameron should just arrange 1 or 2 head to heads with Miliband and stop Labour using the chicken route. If the tiny parties complain... let them.
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
The Conservative line would be: yes we've made a mess of things but Labour made us do it? Maybe I can see why they are not pasting that on billboards across the country.
Ed Miliband was just asked what our response to Rotherham should be, and his response was that we must "learn the lessons". That's it.
"Learn the lessons".
Thousands of children raped. Possibly thousands more in similar circumstances in other towns. And the great action plan.
"Learn the lessons".
If he were a serious* politician he would have had enough time by now to have worked out what he thought those lessons were, so that he could say something other than a meaningless platitude......
Just imagine Ed in charge in 1939. "Germany's invaded Poland, PM". Ed's response = "lessons must be learned". "lets have a judicial inquiry by the League of Nations/UN" "can we use the NHS weapon against the Germans?"
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
If Cameron gets his act together he could slaughter Ed in a 1-2-1 debate just by using this stuff.
Nah, he would rather hold out for the Greens......... Madness. Cameron should just arrange 1 or 2 head to heads with Miliband and stop Labour using the chicken route. If the tiny parties complain... let them.
If Cameron had confidence in his own performance, he would happily debate Farage along with Miliband. But he won't, because people will see that Farage speaks more sense.
Cameron is not alone here. The regime he proposes is already in place in countries like Syria, Russia, and Iran (for the record, none of these countries have had much luck with it). There are two means by which authoritarian governments have attempted to restrict the use of secure technology: by network filtering and by technology mandates.
Ah, but that's the thing: You can't build a backdoor that only the good guys can walk through. Encryption protects against cybercriminals, industrial competitors, the Chinese secret police and the FBI. You're either vulnerable to eavesdropping by any of them, or you're secure from eavesdropping from all of them.
Backdoor access built for the good guys is routinely used by the bad guys. In 2005, some unknown group surreptitiously used the lawful-intercept capabilities built into the Greek cell phone system. The same thing happened in Italy in 2006.
In 2010, Chinese hackers subverted an intercept system Google had put into Gmail to comply with US government surveillance requests. Back doors in our cell phone system are currently being exploited by the FBI and unknown others.
(Lots of links in the original article for anyone wanting corroboration)
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
If Cameron gets his act together he could slaughter Ed in a 1-2-1 debate just by using this stuff.
Nah, he would rather hold out for the Greens......... Madness. Cameron should just arrange 1 or 2 head to heads with Miliband and stop Labour using the chicken route. If the tiny parties complain... let them.
If Cameron had confidence in his own performance, he would happily debate Farage along with Miliband. But he won't, because people will see that Farage speaks more sense.
I would favour Cameron taking on Farage 1-2-1 or have a 5 way with the 3 minor UK-wide parties. Cameron focused on one opponent is very good when he does the preparation.
I think all politicians should be wired up so that an electric shock is delivered anytime they utter the vacuous and meaningless saying "lessons must be learned".
The follow up question should instantly be from any journo...what lessons, what changes, etc...not just nod, next question.
Just put this mornings YouGov into my election prediction model (which takes account of regional splits). Labour perform OK in the Midlands and the South but poorly in Scotland, London and the North.
Net result (with level voting intention) is Conservatives largest party (only by 1 seat)!
Suggests with the changes to voting habits across the country changing the way they are Labours inbuilt advantage may be unwinding.
Seats (FWIW) Con 281, Lab 280, LD 27, SNP 32, Others 30.
Would make an interesting Coalition negotiation. Lib Dems and SNP would hold the balance of power.
Dr. Prasannan, honestly, she would've gotten almost as much across in Bengali.
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
It's baffling.
Mr Dancer I have had calls where they say "we're calling about your accident" when I've had no accident to speak of!
Spike Milligan used to keep a whistle by the phone for just such eventualities.
Dr. Prasannan, honestly, she would've gotten almost as much across in Bengali.
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
It's baffling.
Mr Dancer I have had calls where they say "we're calling about your accident" when I've had no accident to speak of!
Spike Milligan used to keep a whistle by the phone for just such eventualities.
'Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.'
I've had the same call a few times,it's some kind of scam,I usually get rid of them by asking them if they can help me with the spelling of bugger off.
Anyone know how to paste an excel graph onto a web page please?
You need to upload the graph first. So you need to save it as an image, then upload it to a file-sharing service, such as imageshack (I guess? Are they still going?) Then you can get a link to it.
Or you can use Google Sheets and just link directly from there.
Amy Dennis @amyevedennis 1h1 hour ago appreciated how @Ed_Miliband apologised instead of using my question on the Rotherham abuse as political football
@CycleFree a football whistle is always useful for those "I'm from the technical department of Windows"...callers -and other pests.
There's no need to be so confrontational. I find that a simple "excuse me for a moment" fairly early in the conversation and putting the phone on its side then getting on with my daily chores works nicely. You can replace the handset at your leisure.
@CycleFree a football whistle is always useful for those "I'm from the technical department of Windows"...callers -and other pests.
There's no need to be so confrontational. I find that a simple "excuse me for a moment" fairly early in the conversation and putting the phone on its side then getting on with my daily chores works nicely. You can replace the handset at your leisure.
A polite refusal usually works for me. What I can't stand are the cold-callers who refuse to take no for an answer.
@CycleFree a football whistle is always useful for those "I'm from the technical department of Windows"...callers -and other pests.
There's no need to be so confrontational. I find that a simple "excuse me for a moment" fairly early in the conversation and putting the phone on its side then getting on with my daily chores works nicely. You can replace the handset at your leisure.
On topic, wouldn't it put a more accurate spin on things for the headline to read "Only just over 1 in 5 UKIP voters intend to vote Conservative in May"? UKIP's retention rate of just over 50% of voters looks pretty good to me in the abstract, bearing in mind the importance of the EU elections for UKIP.
Dr. Prasannan, honestly, she would've gotten almost as much across in Bengali.
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
It's baffling.
Mr Dancer I have had calls where they say "we're calling about your accident" when I've had no accident to speak of!
They are probably referring to your vote for UKIP in the Euros!
Mr. Zims, the annoying thing is I often ignore the phone and rather like hanging up, but I'm actually expecting a couple of calls and have to answer the damn thing.
Although not delighted it sounds scammy, that's better than having a problem.
Wouldn't you have someone who can speak comprehensible English manning the phone, though? That's like making the stammerer negotiate with police.
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
If Cameron gets his act together he could slaughter Ed in a 1-2-1 debate just by using this stuff.
Nah, he would rather hold out for the Greens......... Madness. Cameron should just arrange 1 or 2 head to heads with Miliband and stop Labour using the chicken route. If the tiny parties complain... let them.
If Cameron had confidence in his own performance, he would happily debate Farage along with Miliband. But he won't, because people will see that Farage speaks more sense.
Farage has two MPs filched from the Tories, why would Cameron want to debate him. he's not going to be any use in coalition building and Cameron would have nothing to gain by debating with him.
@CycleFree a football whistle is always useful for those "I'm from the technical department of Windows"...callers -and other pests.
There's no need to be so confrontational. I find that a simple "excuse me for a moment" fairly early in the conversation and putting the phone on its side then getting on with my daily chores works nicely. You can replace the handset at your leisure.
This approach is particularly good because their business model relies on people who are not interested hanging up fast, otherwise their international phones bills get prohibitive. Leaving the phone until they get fed up is the best answer, as people up the management chain will see the increase bills, the poor sap being paid the square root of nothing is the only one having to put up with the abuse.
Given that (1) this doesnt look like candidate expenditure (2) the long campaign spending limit isnt actually £30,700 (3) we have no idea how much the ad cost and (4) we have no idea whether he will actually stand - I suspect this might just be a QTWTAIN.
Mr. Pulpstar, don't those limits only come into effect closer to the campaign?
Mr. Indigo, on a similar note, if you get churglars (charity doorknockers), the best way to respond financially is to go for a direct debit and then immediately cancel, which actually costs the charity money (net). Personally, I just don't make any donation, but do make a mental note of which charity sent the self-righteous ****s so I don't give it any money in the future.
On topic, wouldn't it put a more accurate spin on things for the headline to read "Only just over 1 in 5 UKIP voters intend to vote Conservative in May"? UKIP's retention rate of just over 50% of voters looks pretty good to me in the abstract, bearing in mind the importance of the EU elections for UKIP.
At the 2014 EU elections UKIP received 4.38 million votes.
If they retain 53.3% of them for the GE, that is 2.33 million votes. At 2010 turnout levels that would equate to 7.9% of the vote. I think that would now be quite disappointing for UKIP, and would probably lose @isam a fair chunk of money too!
On a vote share, rather than actual votes, basis, it would equate to a UKIP GE vote share of 14.2%, but I would expect UKIP voters to be more likely to turn out to vote at the Euro elections than the supporters of Labour and the Conservatives.
On topic, wouldn't it put a more accurate spin on things for the headline to read "Only just over 1 in 5 UKIP voters intend to vote Conservative in May"? UKIP's retention rate of just over 50% of voters looks pretty good to me in the abstract, bearing in mind the importance of the EU elections for UKIP.
At the 2014 EU elections UKIP received 4.38 million votes.
If they retain 53.3% of them for the GE, that is 2.33 million votes. At 2010 turnout levels that would equate to 7.9% of the vote. I think that would now be quite disappointing for UKIP, and would probably lose @isam a fair chunk of money too!
On a vote share, rather than actual votes, basis, it would equate to a UKIP GE vote share of 14.2%, but I would expect UKIP voters to be more likely to turn out to vote at the Euro elections than the supporters of Labour and the Conservatives.
14.5% said others/didn't know/WNV, so I guess some may vote UKIP
Strange that people who vote in a Euro election would say "WNV" to a GE question
On topic, wouldn't it put a more accurate spin on things for the headline to read "Only just over 1 in 5 UKIP voters intend to vote Conservative in May"? UKIP's retention rate of just over 50% of voters looks pretty good to me in the abstract, bearing in mind the importance of the EU elections for UKIP.
At the 2014 EU elections UKIP received 4.38 million votes.
If they retain 53.3% of them for the GE, that is 2.33 million votes. At 2010 turnout levels that would equate to 7.9% of the vote. I think that would now be quite disappointing for UKIP, and would probably lose @isam a fair chunk of money too!
On a vote share, rather than actual votes, basis, it would equate to a UKIP GE vote share of 14.2%, but I would expect UKIP voters to be more likely to turn out to vote at the Euro elections than the supporters of Labour and the Conservatives.
Personally, I'd regard 8% of the vote, a quadrupling of their vote on last time, would be a good result. I think 6% or below would be a real disappointment for me. Anything in double figures would be a huge achievement and mean UKIP are around permanently.
Given that (1) this doesnt look like candidate expenditure (2) the long campaign spending limit isnt actually £30,700 (3) we have no idea how much the ad cost and (4) we have no idea whether he will actually stand - I suspect this might just be a QTWTAIN.
How would this not count as candidate expenditure?
I think TNS-BMRB may be a British subsidiary of the bigger company.
But there's no mention on the PDF - even the logo is a big "TNS"!
"A new poll by TNS UK"
"Commenting, Dr Michelle Harrison, TNS Head of Political and Social said “This latest TNS survey"
"TNS Omnibus interviewed a representative sample of 1,201 adults"
"About TNS "TNS UK advises clients on specific growth strategies around new market entry, innovation, brand switching and stakeholder management, based on long-established expertise and market-leading solutions. With a presence in over 80 countries, TNS has more conversations with the world's consumers than anyone else and understands individual human behaviours and attitudes across every cultural, economic and political region of the world. TNS is part of Kantar, one of the world's largest insight, information and consultancy groups."
On topic, wouldn't it put a more accurate spin on things for the headline to read "Only just over 1 in 5 UKIP voters intend to vote Conservative in May"? UKIP's retention rate of just over 50% of voters looks pretty good to me in the abstract, bearing in mind the importance of the EU elections for UKIP.
At the 2014 EU elections UKIP received 4.38 million votes.
If they retain 53.3% of them for the GE, that is 2.33 million votes. At 2010 turnout levels that would equate to 7.9% of the vote. I think that would now be quite disappointing for UKIP, and would probably lose @isam a fair chunk of money too!
On a vote share, rather than actual votes, basis, it would equate to a UKIP GE vote share of 14.2%, but I would expect UKIP voters to be more likely to turn out to vote at the Euro elections than the supporters of Labour and the Conservatives.
Some people who only turn out to vote in general elections will vote UKIP.
My guess is UKIP will poll 3.5m to 4.5 m votes in the general election.
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
If Cameron gets his act together he could slaughter Ed in a 1-2-1 debate just by using this stuff.
Nah, he would rather hold out for the Greens......... Madness. Cameron should just arrange 1 or 2 head to heads with Miliband and stop Labour using the chicken route. If the tiny parties complain... let them.
If Cameron had confidence in his own performance, he would happily debate Farage along with Miliband. But he won't, because people will see that Farage speaks more sense.
Farage has two MPs filched from the Tories, why would Cameron want to debate him. he's not going to be any use in coalition building and Cameron would have nothing to gain by debating with him.
He could win over up to 15% of the electorate.That's what politicians are supposed to do - compete for other politicians' votes.
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
If Cameron gets his act together he could slaughter Ed in a 1-2-1 debate just by using this stuff.
Nah, he would rather hold out for the Greens......... Madness. Cameron should just arrange 1 or 2 head to heads with Miliband and stop Labour using the chicken route. If the tiny parties complain... let them.
If Cameron had confidence in his own performance, he would happily debate Farage along with Miliband. But he won't, because people will see that Farage speaks more sense.
Farage has two MPs filched from the Tories, why would Cameron want to debate him. he's not going to be any use in coalition building and Cameron would have nothing to gain by debating with him.
He could win over up to 15% of the electorate.That's what politicians are supposed to do - compete for other politicians' votes.
15%? No chance, unless he offered to resign.
Judging by these threads, most diehard Kippers could never be persuaded to return to the Tory fold.
Given that (1) this doesnt look like candidate expenditure (2) the long campaign spending limit isnt actually £30,700 (3) we have no idea how much the ad cost and (4) we have no idea whether he will actually stand - I suspect this might just be a QTWTAIN.
How would this not count as candidate expenditure?
It's promoting a party policy in a newspaper available across the country. If I was in a bind I would argue it was party expenditure. Of course if FUKP is not an actual political party and Murray is not an actual candidate then none of this ever arises.
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More than ONE in five UKIP voters at last May’s Euro’s tell TNS-BMRB that they’ll be voting CON on May 7th
One of the great things about PB is that such typos and other errors get picked up quickly - even at 4am in the morning.
Read this: http://boingboing.net/2015/01/13/what-david-cameron-just-propos.html
especially toward the end of the article for what would actually be involved in doing what Cameron says he wants to do, and then consider how idiotic, how ruinous unpopular, and how devastating economically such as proposal would be if it was actually going to be effectual.
If its not going to be effectual it's either:
a) pointless expensive security theatre at the cost of the privacy of millions
b) or the privacy of the millions if the real point, not catching the terrorists.
"Learn the lessons".
Thousands of children raped. Possibly thousands more in similar circumstances in other towns. And the great action plan.
"Learn the lessons".
http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/pivotal-preelection-postal-polling-day/4733
In addition, the party leader debates may happen after a sizeable proportion of votes have already been cast.
Or is he referring to Joyce Thacker's on-the-ball immediate response to the tragedy of some children being well-fostered by a loving couple who happened to support UKIP? Good job they were taken away. They might've read a UKIP leaflet, or come to some other form of serious harm.
http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/public-opinion-monitor-most-people-think-nigel-farage-‘saying-what-people-think’
I always use just plain "TNS" whenever I add their polls to the list on Wikipedia.
Surely Ed didn't miss out "Draw a line under it" and "And move on"?
Has he lost his platitude book?
Incidentally, the first of the Rotherham Enquiry reports is due out today.
"Root and branch review"
"absolutely, utterly never let this happen again"
"appalling violation of trust"
"Ensure people are listened to in the future"
"independent judge led enquiry"
'Ed Miliband was just asked what our response to Rotherham should be, and his response was that we must "learn the lessons". That's it.'
The only major issue in the past 4+ years that he hasn't demanded a full public inquiry.
So you've got the politicians' cliche dictionary?
At least an independent judge-led inquiry could have uncovered the full details. "Lessons must be learnt" in the most blase political-speak answer that is an insult to the thousands upon thousands of children that have been raped and tortured by this scandal.
Look on the bright side. UKIP can use this if it chooses to.
"Justice rushed is justice crushed" as Ed forgot to say.
No idea of the timing.
Still, if it's today, it will have been reasonably swift.
This compares with the May 2010 result of Con +7.3 – so the final 16 weeks in 2010 saw a very slight swing to the Opposition
In Keighley for instance:
"We've spoken to two mothers whose daughters became involved with these men. The mothers are afraid of what might happen to them if it's known they've spoken out... They believe the men are deliberately targeting impressionable girls some as young as 11 and 12...
The mothers have given police a list of 57 Asian men who their daughters say are involved..."
(From Channel 4).
Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.
It's baffling.
A whole article on how A&E waiting times have got worse in Wales and NI (now 15-20% below target), and one mention of Labour, and not to state they run the show in Wales, oh no....the give they their soundbite criticising the government.
Of course, BBC impartial to the end....
Labour complain about...
1. A&E times in England although they are far worse in Labour run Wales.
2. That 1million people are missing from the voter registration change, a change that the Labour Govt initiated.
3. That the current Govt is not spending enough on the NHS although the current Govt is spending more than the last Labour Govt planned to spend on the NHS in the years since 2010.
4. That the level of tuition fees that were changed following the independent report was the wrong move by Govt even though the independent report was set up by the last Labour Govt.
I'm generally quite forgiving of politicians using platitudes in the near-term aftermath of an event, understanding the need for some time to come to better conclusions, rather than rushing to judgement.
Time has sadly proven that Miliband can be summed up by the excruciating interview he gave about one of the public-sector strikes, where he repeated his "round the table" soundbite over and over again. Still, at least he never posed with a banana.
* Not that I think we have many serious politicians.
What amazes me is the tories aren't pointing this out.
Apparently not.
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Ed's response =
"lessons must be learned". "lets have a judicial inquiry by the League of Nations/UN" "can we use the NHS weapon against the Germans?"
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The French Bookshop - 28 Bute Street, South Kensington
JL News kiosk - Golders Green, next to the tube station
Good News - 23 Berwick Street, Soho
Does anyone have other sources?
The follow up question should instantly be from any journo...what lessons, what changes, etc...not just nod, next question.
Net result (with level voting intention) is Conservatives largest party (only by 1 seat)!
Suggests with the changes to voting habits across the country changing the way they are Labours inbuilt advantage may be unwinding.
Seats (FWIW) Con 281, Lab 280, LD 27, SNP 32, Others 30.
Would make an interesting Coalition negotiation. Lib Dems and SNP would hold the balance of power.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/16/charlie-hebdo-ban-bristol-uni-violates-safe-space-policy_n_6485332.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-students&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
'Something 'bad' was supposedly happening. I have no idea what. She gave me a licence number (no idea if it matches mine or if I even have one). For what purpose, I do not know. What was meant to happen next, I do not know.'
I've had the same call a few times,it's some kind of scam,I usually get rid of them by asking them if they can help me with the spelling of bugger off.
Or you can use Google Sheets and just link directly from there.
Amy Dennis @amyevedennis 1h1 hour ago
appreciated how @Ed_Miliband apologised instead of using my question on the Rotherham abuse as political football
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/david-ginola-paid-325-000-by-paddy-power-for-fifa-bid-1.2068537
Although not delighted it sounds scammy, that's better than having a problem.
Wouldn't you have someone who can speak comprehensible English manning the phone, though? That's like making the stammerer negotiate with police.
Has Al Murray broken spending rules ?
In fact one of your best yet! Glad I was popping in at the right moment. Back to work.
Graph showin Farage as the most popular leader? Glad you agree!
Hmm.. have I opened myself up to internet unsafety there though?
Apart from that, good post.
Graph didnt work - you posted gibberish..... but possibly also your pc address...
Mr. Indigo, on a similar note, if you get churglars (charity doorknockers), the best way to respond financially is to go for a direct debit and then immediately cancel, which actually costs the charity money (net). Personally, I just don't make any donation, but do make a mental note of which charity sent the self-righteous ****s so I don't give it any money in the future.
http://www.tns-bmrb.co.uk/home
I think TNS-BMRB may be a British subsidiary of the bigger company.
If they retain 53.3% of them for the GE, that is 2.33 million votes. At 2010 turnout levels that would equate to 7.9% of the vote. I think that would now be quite disappointing for UKIP, and would probably lose @isam a fair chunk of money too!
On a vote share, rather than actual votes, basis, it would equate to a UKIP GE vote share of 14.2%, but I would expect UKIP voters to be more likely to turn out to vote at the Euro elections than the supporters of Labour and the Conservatives.
Strange that people who vote in a Euro election would say "WNV" to a GE question
May 60.0 50.8 51.9 79.2
Jun 56.6 47.5 57.0 79.1
Jul 55.1 43.6 53.4 81.8
Aug 56.3 47.6 57.7 83.5
Sep 56.1 47.6 51.2 80.8
Oct 58.1 44.2 58.0 80.6
Nov 57.8 39.8 58.2 80.8
Dec 53.7 44.0 54.6 69.6
Jan 59.6 42.9 56.1 77.4
"A new poll by TNS UK"
"Commenting, Dr Michelle Harrison, TNS Head of Political and Social said “This latest TNS survey"
"TNS Omnibus interviewed a representative sample of 1,201 adults"
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Who knew he was Douglas Carswell though?
My guess is UKIP will poll 3.5m to 4.5 m votes in the general election.
It's trying to snow, for perhaps the third time today.
Judging by these threads, most diehard Kippers could never be persuaded to return to the Tory fold.