Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Christians in Singapore then.
There isn't one massive religion in Singapore to fight against
Buddhism was by far the dominant religion in the 1950s. You're bending over backwards with opt outs here to try to defend the ludicrous position that Islam isn't more violent and intolerant than the other major faiths.
No other other religion, Not the Jews, Christians, Hindus or even Shinto, sends its acolytes out on killing sprees from its holy places, urged on by so called holy men with their messages of hate.
I think this is a key point which Isam dances around. Take Salman Rushdie, a cleric ordered his execution, wherever he was in the world. I believe similar instructions have been made in respect of a dozen or so other people since, mostly writers. I can't recall any other religion in recent history commanding its followers to commit murder.
Leader of Bodu Bala Sena, a Buddhist monastic organisation in Sri Lanka, Galagoda Aththe Gnanasaara said in 2014, "After today if a single Marakkalaya [Muslim] or some other paraya [alien, outcast] touches a single Sinhalese…..it will be their end." This kicked up rioting that saw at least 4 people killed and thousands displaced.
That's one example. It sadly is not difficult to find examples of religious figures inciting violence of various sorts.
Rabbi Meir Kahane: "I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence [against Arabs]. Really, I don’t think that we can sit back and watch Arabs throwing rocks at buses whenever they feel like it. They must understand that a bomb thrown at a Jewish bus is going to mean a bomb thrown at an Arab bus." And, "There will be a perpetual war [between Jews and Arabs]." The group he founded is considered a terrorist organisation in Israel and the US.
It's difficult to take people seriously when they make such ridiculous claims that Islam is the only religion with associations with violence.
Mr. Isam, fewer, and you have no evidence at all to back up your claims that more Hindus would mean they would start creating problems.
and you have none to prove that they wouldn't
So we can take you think muslims are just generally nastier than other people? OK
In other nations where Islam predominate, only limited political freedoms are allowed: i,e. Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Libyia, etc., which are either run by islamic parties or are dictatorships.
Er.....Indonesia, world's most populous Muslim nation, by quite some margin - the 'Islamic' parties did not fare well in the recent Presidential election and the government is a coalition....and changes at most elections.....but apart from that.....
If this is the most tolerant and open Muslim society then God help us all!
I see your igorance of Aceh (not long out of a long & bitter conflict) has already been pointed out, but a region of 4.7 million in a country of 252 million can hardly be held to be representative.....
So to even find a handful of examples of terrorism, you needed to include three examples which weren't actually terrorism, and then go into other countries not on the list?
EDIT: Just looked up the Chinese one. That wasn't terrorism either.
The others were also historic. Robert Kennedy was murdered before I had started primary school!
Not only is most terrorism in the world perpetrated not just by muslims, it is because of specific Islamist beliefs. The majority of the victims are other muslims, often because they are the wrong sect or merely too secular.
I'm not sure what part of the Conservative Party Mr Deane is familiar with but in the area where I am active his comments are unfounded. I agree that the Lib Dems have collapsed and that Labour is a lit6tle better organised than in recent years but the Conservative organisation is by far the strongest on the ground. The picture is far too varied to make the sweeping generalisations made by Mr Deane.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
"Chemical" Ali was a Christian in Iraq: not a terrorist as such, but part of a murderous regime and responsible for many crimes against humanity.
No he wasn't. You are thinking of Tariq Aziz, who was just a harmless and hapless diplomat...
In any case, Saddam Hussein's dictatorship was secular, not religious.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Christians in Singapore then.
There isn't one massive religion in Singapore to fight against
Buddhism was by far the dominant religion in the 1950s. You're bending over backwards with opt outs here to try to defend the ludicrous position that Islam isn't more violent and intolerant than the other major faiths.
No I am not, far from it
I said for there to be strife, there needs to be a dominant mass, and a significantly growing minority mass, and the countries that you asked about don't fit that
If what you are saying is right, everywhere that any muslims live there will be trouble, but the truth is it is only when the conditions I have described are met, and it isn't their "muslim-ness" that is to blame but their "significant and rapidly growing minority" status
Its the same as Cowboys and Indians, Australians and Aboriginals, LibLabCon and UKIP whatever you want
Its the friction between an insurgent and the incumbent, little more than that
It's difficult to take people seriously when they make such ridiculous claims that Islam is the only religion with associations with violence.
It's even more difficult to take people seriously when they make out that Muslims aren't responsible for a lot more terrorism than the other major religions.
I'm not sure what part of the Conservative Party Mr Deane is familiar with but in the area where I am active his comments are unfounded. I agree that the Lib Dems have collapsed and that Labour is a lit6tle better organised than in recent years but the Conservative organisation is by far the strongest on the ground. The picture is far too varied to make the sweeping generalisations made by Mr Deane.
What type of constituency are you? Solid Blue/Red/LD or what type of marginal?
I have to come in on this isam and say what all the world knows but for some reason wants to keep quiet
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion.
What do you mean by that? How is, say, Komeito, the Japanese political party linked to the Nichiren Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai, not an example of something being both a political movement and a religion? Or I mentioned before Bodu Bala Sena, the politicised Buddhist nationalist monastic organisation. What about Shas, the ultra-orthodox political party in Israel? Or Bharatiya Janata Party, with their close links to the Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh? Or Babbar Khalsa, the Sikh nationalist terrorist group?
Those are several examples of politics and religion mixing (some peaceful, some not). In what sense is Islam, therefore, the "only [...] political movement as well as a religion"? There is a debate to be had here, but it helps to get some basic facts right.
1% of the general population is a psychopath (circa 30% in prisons) according to various studies.
0.6% of people in the UK score 13 or above on the PCL-R scale according to the 2009 study, that is substantially below the 30 you need on the scale to be diagnosed as a clinical psychopath. People in the teens on the scale are often unpleasant, prone to violence, but usually not criminal.
The real point is that psychopath is really just a lack of emotion and empathy, they often are not criminal and use their glibness and lack of moral concerns to get to the top in business, where their "straight talking" and single mindedness are seen as an asset. Of course many others that are more prone toward a life of violence often become soldiers.
Interesting. After reading your post I found a (very) simplfied online PCL-R test online and tried it.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
"Chemical" Ali was a Christian in Iraq: not a terrorist as such, but part of a murderous regime and responsible for many crimes against humanity.
No he wasn't. You are thinking of Tariq Aziz, who was just a harmless and hapless diplomat...
My apologies: you're right. Although "harmless and hapless" is too kind on someone who had a significant role in the Hussein regime...
Is it to right wrongs and fight injustice? No, it's to enslave the world i.e. convert it to their form of "pure" Islam even if that involves murdering most of them.
So to even find a handful of examples of terrorism, you needed to include three examples which weren't actually terrorism, and then go into other countries not on the list?
EDIT: Just looked up the Chinese one. That wasn't terrorism either.
Let me quote from the BBC describing the Chinese case:
"In late May a group belonging to a banned cult beat a woman to death in a fast food restaurant. Her only crime was to refuse to give them her telephone number.
"The cult in question is called the Church of the Almighty God and claims to have millions of members.
"It was an ordinary evening in a small town McDonald's in east China until a family of six arrived trying to recruit new members to their Christian cult.
"They moved between the tables asking for phone numbers and when one diner refused they beat her to death, screaming at other diners to keep away or they would face the same fate.
"The savage murder was filmed on closed circuit TV and on mobile phones.
"It shocked China. Who were these people prepared to kill over a telephone number?
"Interviewed in prison later, one of the murderers, Zhang Lidong, showed no remorse and no fear.
"He said: "I beat her with all my might and stamped on her too. She was a demon. We had to destroy her.""
Mr. M, whilst at university I gave my mum the checklist for psychopathic traits (without mentioning what the list was) and asked how many she thought I had. (I think that was DSM-IV, if I've remembered the acronym right, rather than PCL).
I got a tick next to almost all, two halves, and one only was a cross.
A problem asking people to self-assess is the natural tendency to agree. Most people are angry, bored, tired, tedious, witty and hesitant at various points in life. That doesn't mean they're rage monsters of manic-depression who suffer social anxiety disorder.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Christians in Singapore then.
There isn't one massive religion in Singapore to fight against
Buddhism was by far the dominant religion in the 1950s. You're bending over backwards with opt outs here to try to defend the ludicrous position that Islam isn't more violent and intolerant than the other major faiths.
How about the UAE then?
Around 75% of Singaporeans are Chinese, so the Buddhist element must still be dominant.
10.50 BREAKING Former leader of France's far-right 'Front National' party Jean-Marie Le Pen has declared 'I am not Charlie' ... He said: "Today it's 'we are all Charlie, I am Charlie'. And frankly, I'm sorry, I am not Charlie. And while I am touched by the deaths of a dozen French compatriots with whom I did not share the same political identity, this I know well, they were enemies of the Front Nationale who had demanded the dissolution of the party not long ago."
Controversial....
An interesting thought experiment is to envisage the reaction if the gunmen had massacred 12 people at the FN headquarters, rather than at a left-wing magazine.
I suspect that among the authorities and opinion formers, the response would be a good deal more equivocal.
The shooting at the Family Research Council in Washington DC received little coverage. Fortunately the perpetrator was an incompetent loon.
Looks like a hoax, which is why it is not being publicised, although that didn't stop Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin or indeed Russia supposedly invading the Ukraine being promoted, but then those all fit the desired media narrative you buy into so credulously.
Nobody on this board has ever claimed that no other religious, ethnic or political groups had ever spawned violent action. You're arguing with a ridiculous strawman.
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion. [...]
Only Islam has world wide killing organisations that operate freely in all the Moslem countries.
No other other religion, Not the Jews, Christians, Hindus or even Shinto, sends its acolytes out on killing sprees from its holy places, urged on by so called holy men with their messages of hate.
I'm not sure what part of the Conservative Party Mr Deane is familiar with but in the area where I am active his comments are unfounded. I agree that the Lib Dems have collapsed and that Labour is a lit6tle better organised than in recent years but the Conservative organisation is by far the strongest on the ground. The picture is far too varied to make the sweeping generalisations made by Mr Deane.
I didn't realise people in their seventies were so strong !
Is it to right wrongs and fight injustice? No, it's to enslave the world i.e. convert it to their form of "pure" Islam even if that involves murdering most of them.
I am not saying any different...
Put it this way.. in football matches away teams get more cards than home teams.
So if Liverpool play at Tottenham, you would expect Liverpool to get more cards
It doesn't mean Liverpool are necessarily a dirtier, more argumentative side than Tottenham, because when Tottenham play at Liverpool, it is they who would be expected to get most cards
So the side that tend to be dirtier, argumentative etc are the away side and this applies to almost all sides.. if you only looked at Liverpools away matches you could say "but look at all the times Liverpool get the most bookings" and be right, but missing the point.
When in doubt there is always someone on PB.com that has the answer.
I need some help here regarding Juries and as I know there are a number of legal type people on here posting perhaps you could help. This for my daughter who is has done some research regarding juries decisions etc but now has to describe how she would communicate the research information to people who do not understand the technical parts of that research but may form policy or procedures on the subject?
In regard to juries who is responsible for the policy of how a jury or an individual juror undertakes the jury service and the deliberation? Now I know the judge directs juries at the end of the trial and even during, the question is before they arrive to start the trials?
Is there guidance or best practice used to introduce jurors to their duties? Who actually formulates that guidance and best practice? Is that an government body or a professional association?
I know their are legal requirements in law for jurors etc but is there anything else besides along the lines described above?
I need any information or guidance as soon as possible thanks in advance
Hi Moses
By a curious coincidence I am due to start Jury Service tomorrow - Snaresbrook Crown Court, so might get a juicy case.
If I can assist, she can contact me at arklebar@gmail.com
You can tell her I don't bite. Much.
Ok many thanks Peter.
I will do that but it's a question that effectively has to be completed before you are likely to complete the service. However, she is very interested from a practical process of what guidance and information was provided at the start of the jury service and your general impression of the overall process including juror interaction during and at the deliberation stage etc. We also would not wish to provide any distraction from what is a very important process.
Obviously you cannot do anything during any trial and then afterwards only what you are allowed to discuss etc. as directed. I Will send my email to you for later use.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Mass immigration? You mean like Christians in the New World and Australasia?
Mr. M, whilst at university I gave my mum the checklist for psychopathic traits (without mentioning what the list was) and asked how many she thought I had. (I think that was DSM-IV, if I've remembered the acronym right, rather than PCL).
I got a tick next to almost all, two halves, and one only was a cross.
A problem asking people to self-assess is the natural tendency to agree. Most people are angry, bored, tired, tedious, witty and hesitant at various points in life. That doesn't mean they're rage monsters of manic-depression who suffer social anxiety disorder.
True, Morris, but it has become increasingly obvious to me over the years that the one trait that connects psycopathic nutters of all political and religious shades is the complete absence of a sense of humour.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Christians in Singapore then.
There isn't one massive religion in Singapore to fight against
Buddhism was by far the dominant religion in the 1950s. You're bending over backwards with opt outs here to try to defend the ludicrous position that Islam isn't more violent and intolerant than the other major faiths.
How about the UAE then?
The UAE seem to have the solution. Extremely tough rules making it abundantly clear that the incumbent religion is the law of the land and other religions must know their place or else
The UK went down the complete opposite route, hence where we find ourselves today
The excuse used for the terrorism is that they are nutters, odd fanatics doing their own thing.
[...]
And throw in Boko Harum, Al Queda and all the off-shoots world-wide and they are legion. To try and equate this with Christianity is laughable.
I'm not trying to equate them. I would like to suggest that there is a middle ground between, on the one hand, saying all religions and terrorism are equivalent and, on the other, saying Islam alone is associated with political violence. Things are just a bit more complicated than that, and the solutions to terrorism in the past have rarely been to treat large groups of people as all the same.
Mr. M, whilst at university I gave my mum the checklist for psychopathic traits (without mentioning what the list was) and asked how many she thought I had. (I think that was DSM-IV, if I've remembered the acronym right, rather than PCL).
I got a tick next to almost all, two halves, and one only was a cross.
A problem asking people to self-assess is the natural tendency to agree. Most people are angry, bored, tired, tedious, witty and hesitant at various points in life. That doesn't mean they're rage monsters of manic-depression who suffer social anxiety disorder.
Very true. Despite us both passing the test with flying colours we haven't yet killed anyone (well I haven't, anyway!). We do, however, share an enthusiasm for the disposal of unpleasant individuals using gravity-powered counterweighted siege engine adaptations and also domination of the planet through the deployment of genetically engineered fish. I didn't see tick boxes for those.
Isn't part of the "difficulty" with Islam is that while there is the Qu'ran, it's open to interpretation by individual readers. There's no hierarchical "bishops-type" structure in Islam
You're simply incorrect on this. Mainstream Islam is all about only the scholars can decide, particularly Shia Islam. Al Qaeda and others do disagree, but they're a minority. Out of the larger religious movements, it is Protestantism that believes in a priesthood of all believers, where all can get direct revelation from God.
Unfortunately, the Quran is blamed for everything. For example, the Quran does not prescribe the veil. Only for women [ and men ] to dress modestly. The "rules" were set by humans.
It's that time of the week again, the Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) - and for the first time in 2015. A bit paltry the total number of polls, only 8 this week, the lowest weekly number since early September. But for the first time we're including the Greens, and they have a reasonable debut ELBOW score too!
ELBOW for this week ending 11th Jan, now including YouGov/Sunday Times (brackets are changes from the week or so running up to Xmas)
Lab 33.3 (-0.9) Con 32.5 (+0.9) UKIP 14.5 (-0.9) LD 7.7 (+0.2) Grn 6.4 (NEW in ELBOW for 2015!)
Lab lead 0.8% (was 2.6% for Xmas week)
Green score for Xmas week now calculated = 6.0, so Greens up 0.4%.
When in doubt there is always someone on PB.com that has the answer.
I need some help here regarding Juries and as I know there are a number of legal type people on here posting perhaps you could help. This for my daughter who is has done some research regarding juries decisions etc but now has to describe how she would communicate the research information to people who do not understand the technical parts of that research but may form policy or procedures on the subject?
In regard to juries who is responsible for the policy of how a jury or an individual juror undertakes the jury service and the deliberation? Now I know the judge directs juries at the end of the trial and even during, the question is before they arrive to start the trials?
Is there guidance or best practice used to introduce jurors to their duties? Who actually formulates that guidance and best practice? Is that an government body or a professional association?
I know their are legal requirements in law for jurors etc but is there anything else besides along the lines described above?
I need any information or guidance as soon as possible thanks in advance
Hi Moses
By a curious coincidence I am due to start Jury Service tomorrow - Snaresbrook Crown Court, so might get a juicy case.
If I can assist, she can contact me at arklebar@gmail.com
You can tell her I don't bite. Much.
Ok many thanks Peter.
I will do that but it's a question that effectively has to be completed before you are likely to complete the service. However, she is very interested from a practical process of what guidance and information was provided at the start of the jury service and your general impression of the overall process including juror interaction during and at the deliberation stage etc. We also would not wish to provide any distraction from what is a very important process.
Obviously you cannot do anything during any trial and then afterwards only what you are allowed to discuss etc. as directed. I Will send my email to you for later use.
Hope you get a real juicy case !!
It's my second stint, Moses, so I have a bit of experience anyway.
As for my legal obligations, she can be sure I am well aware of them and am unlikely to be distracted by anybody's questions. She's hardly likely to influence my thinking, especially as I shall be following my usual practice of finding the defendant guilty, whatever the evidence. ;-)
Mr. Isam, fewer, and you have no evidence at all to back up your claims that more Hindus would mean they would start creating problems.
and you have none to prove that they wouldn't
So we can take you think muslims are just generally nastier than other people? OK
In other nations where Islam predominate, only limited political freedoms are allowed: i,e. Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Libyia, etc., which are either run by islamic parties or are dictatorships.
Er.....Indonesia, world's most populous Muslim nation, by quite some margin - the 'Islamic' parties did not fare well in the recent Presidential election and the government is a coalition....and changes at most elections.....but apart from that.....
If this is the most tolerant and open Muslim society then God help us all!
I see your igorance of Aceh (not long out of a long & bitter conflict) has already been pointed out, but a region of 4.7 million in a country of 252 million can hardly be held to be representative.....
My other link of forced Church closures was from Western Java.
Alex Aan was jailed for declaring there was no god on Facebook:
The violence in Sulawesi, Molluccas and Papua are in large part because of Muslim migrants being settled in areas where Christianity and animalist beliefs are traditional.
Of course there were the Bali bombings too, and while autonomous Aceh is part of Indonesia still.
There are much worse countries than Indonesia for minority faiths, but it is certainly not a beacon to the world of tolerance.
I like the football analogy but it doesn't really work. Where IS are involved they would decapitate the referee and sentence the supporters to death. When 500 British Muslims want to join them, we have a problem that is unmatched.
1% of the general population is a psychopath (circa 30% in prisons) according to various studies.
0.6% of people in the UK score 13 or above on the PCL-R scale according to the 2009 study, that is substantially below the 30 you need on the scale to be diagnosed as a clinical psychopath. People in the teens on the scale are often unpleasant, prone to violence, but usually not criminal.
The real point is that psychopath is really just a lack of emotion and empathy, they often are not criminal and use their glibness and lack of moral concerns to get to the top in business, where their "straight talking" and single mindedness are seen as an asset. Of course many others that are more prone toward a life of violence often become soldiers.
Interesting. After reading your post I found a (very) simplfied online PCL-R test online and tried it.
1% of the general population is a psychopath (circa 30% in prisons) according to various studies.
0.6% of people in the UK score 13 or above on the PCL-R scale according to the 2009 study, that is substantially below the 30 you need on the scale to be diagnosed as a clinical psychopath. People in the teens on the scale are often unpleasant, prone to violence, but usually not criminal.
The real point is that psychopath is really just a lack of emotion and empathy, they often are not criminal and use their glibness and lack of moral concerns to get to the top in business, where their "straight talking" and single mindedness are seen as an asset. Of course many others that are more prone toward a life of violence often become soldiers.
Interesting. After reading your post I found a (very) simplfied online PCL-R test online and tried it.
I have to come in on this isam and say what all the world knows but for some reason wants to keep quiet
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion.
What do you mean by that? How is, say, Komeito, the Japanese political party linked to the Nichiren Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai, not an example of something being both a political movement and a religion? Or I mentioned before Bodu Bala Sena, the politicised Buddhist nationalist monastic organisation. What about Shas, the ultra-orthodox political party in Israel? Or Bharatiya Janata Party, with their close links to the Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh? Or Babbar Khalsa, the Sikh nationalist terrorist group?
Is that the same BJP wot won the last Indian election (2014), by a massive landslide?
When in doubt there is always someone on PB.com that has the answer.
I need some help here regarding Juries and as I know there are a number of legal type people on here posting perhaps you could help. This for my daughter who is has done some research regarding juries decisions etc but now has to describe how she would communicate the research information to people who do not understand the technical parts of that research but may form policy or procedures on the subject?
In regard to juries who is responsible for the policy of how a jury or an individual juror undertakes the jury service and the deliberation? Now I know the judge directs juries at the end of the trial and even during, the question is before they arrive to start the trials?
Is there guidance or best practice used to introduce jurors to their duties? Who actually formulates that guidance and best practice? Is that an government body or a professional association?
I know their are legal requirements in law for jurors etc but is there anything else besides along the lines described above?
I need any information or guidance as soon as possible thanks in advance
Hi Moses
By a curious coincidence I am due to start Jury Service tomorrow - Snaresbrook Crown Court, so might get a juicy case.
If I can assist, she can contact me at arklebar@gmail.com
You can tell her I don't bite. Much.
Ok many thanks Peter.
I will do that but it's a question that effectively has to be completed before you are likely to complete the service. However, she is very interested from a practical process of what guidance and information was provided at the start of the jury service and your general impression of the overall process including juror interaction during and at the deliberation stage etc. We also would not wish to provide any distraction from what is a very important process.
Obviously you cannot do anything during any trial and then afterwards only what you are allowed to discuss etc. as directed. I Will send my email to you for later use.
Hope you get a real juicy case !!
It's my second stint, Moses, so I have a bit of experience anyway.
As for my legal obligations, she can be sure I am well aware of them and am unlikely to be distracted by anybody's questions. She's hardly likely to influence my thinking, especially as I shall be following my usual practice of finding the defendant guilty, whatever the evidence. ;-)
Reminds me of a system of justice I was once subject to: "March in the guilty bastard!"
Precisely - it is their ability to charm that makes them superb manipulators. And enables them to be very promiscuous womanisers - and remain Bad Boys whom the ladies love.
Most of them aren't psycho-killers - they're very talented, single minded and exceptionally good in social situations because they have no empathy or guilt - they've learned how to be extremely effective in them instead without all the baggage the rest of us have.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Mass immigration? You mean like Christians in the New World and Australasia?
Indeed. Examples which were disastrous for the populations already there. We should take note if we're interested in the well-being of the population already here.
"In China, the Eastern Lightning Christian sect..."
which is clearly some crazy cult with nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. You may as well include Koresh, Jim Jones and Manson on the list.
When you say "nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity", I presume you mean apart from describing themselves as Christian, being known as the Church of the Gospel's Kingdom, taking their name from Matthew 24:27, and being described as a Christian group by a large number of independent sources. Yes, apart from those things, they don't have much to do with Christianity.
I certainly don't think that Eastern Lightning (or Koresh or Jim Jones) are representative of the vast majority of Christians in the world, who abhor such violence and disagree with such doctrinal heterodoxy. I also don't think that the Paris terrorists are representative of the vast majority of Muslims in the world, who abhor such violence and disagree with such doctrinal heterodoxy.
Do you think there's a little bit of a danger in people dismissing any examples of violence associated with people calling themselves Christian as being not to do with Christianity or in some other way as not being relevant, yet in seeing any examples of violence associated with people calling themselves Muslim as being representative of a broad problem with the religion? We could discuss the relevant statistics and all the different cases, but that would take ages. What I see is a little bit of scapegoating the 'other'...
Mr. Moses, the second question's bad because implicit is that everyone cheats.
Psych tests should have backwards questions to try and root out serial yes/no tickers, and to more accurately assess traits [ie 1. Do you get angry often? 2. Do you stay calm most of the time?].
Nobody on this board has ever claimed that no other religious, ethnic or political groups had ever spawned violent action. You're arguing with a ridiculous strawman.
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion. [...]
Only Islam has world wide killing organisations that operate freely in all the Moslem countries.
No other other religion, Not the Jews, Christians, Hindus or even Shinto, sends its acolytes out on killing sprees from its holy places, urged on by so called holy men with their messages of hate.
I can't recall any other religion in recent history commanding its followers to commit murder.
I think MikeK and Indigo are real people, but if you want to describe them as "ridiculous strawman", perhaps you can take that up with them directly.
They are incorrect on both those points, but both are far more specific claims that "no other religion, ethnic or political group has ever spawned violent action". Especially in Indigo's case where he limited the description to stuff he personally had heard of.
When in doubt there is always someone on PB.com that has the answer.
I need some help here regarding Juries and as I know there are a number of legal type people on here posting perhaps you could help. This for my daughter who is has done some research regarding juries decisions etc but now has to describe how she would communicate the research information to people who do not understand the technical parts of that research but may form policy or procedures on the subject?
In regard to juries who is responsible for the policy of how a jury or an individual juror undertakes the jury service and the deliberation? Now I know the judge directs juries at the end of the trial and even during, the question is before they arrive to start the trials?
Is there guidance or best practice used to introduce jurors to their duties? Who actually formulates that guidance and best practice? Is that an government body or a professional association?
I know their are legal requirements in law for jurors etc but is there anything else besides along the lines described above?
I need any information or guidance as soon as possible thanks in advance
Hi Moses
By a curious coincidence I am due to start Jury Service tomorrow - Snaresbrook Crown Court, so might get a juicy case.
If I can assist, she can contact me at arklebar@gmail.com
You can tell her I don't bite. Much.
Ok many thanks Peter.
I will do that but it's a question that effectively has to be completed before you are likely to complete the service. However, she is very interested from a practical process of what guidance and information was provided at the start of the jury service and your general impression of the overall process including juror interaction during and at the deliberation stage etc. We also would not wish to provide any distraction from what is a very important process.
Obviously you cannot do anything during any trial and then afterwards only what you are allowed to discuss etc. as directed. I Will send my email to you for later use.
Hope you get a real juicy case !!
It's my second stint, Moses, so I have a bit of experience anyway.
As for my legal obligations, she can be sure I am well aware of them and am unlikely to be distracted by anybody's questions. She's hardly likely to influence my thinking, especially as I shall be following my usual practice of finding the defendant guilty, whatever the evidence. ;-)
LOL No insult meant. Reminds me of the movie a few years a comedy of the Wild West where they all shouted "bring on the 'anging judge" ........(before the trial actually started.)
I have to come in on this isam and say what all the world knows but for some reason wants to keep quiet
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion.
What do you mean by that? How is, say, Komeito, the Japanese political party linked to the Nichiren Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai, not an example of something being both a political movement and a religion? Or I mentioned before Bodu Bala Sena, the politicised Buddhist nationalist monastic organisation. What about Shas, the ultra-orthodox political party in Israel? Or Bharatiya Janata Party, with their close links to the Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh? Or Babbar Khalsa, the Sikh nationalist terrorist group?
Is that the same BJP wot won the last Indian election (2014), by a massive landslide?
Yes. Gujarat riots and all and receiving 31% of the votes of the Indian population !
Precisely - it is their ability to charm that makes them superb manipulators. And enables them to be very promiscuous womanisers - and remain Bad Boys whom the ladies love.
Most of them aren't psycho-killers - they're very talented, single minded and exceptionally good in social situations because they have no empathy or guilt - they've learned how to be extremely effective in them instead without all the baggage the rest of us have.
Lots of zealots and madmen have no capability of humour or appreciation of it, but psychopaths are well capable of being glib and charming.
Truly life could be much easier if we were manipulative psychopaths/sociopaths, much less doubt about things. I blame my parents for raising me right (in a broken home too, that's supposed to contribute to such things) and having a lack of brain problems (as far as I know).
IME, the most accurate psycho tests ask the same questions in at least 3 ways - you have to be very familiar with them to fool them. Or deluding yourself entirely.
Mr. Moses, the second question's bad because implicit is that everyone cheats.
Psych tests should have backwards questions to try and root out serial yes/no tickers, and to more accurately assess traits [ie 1. Do you get angry often? 2. Do you stay calm most of the time?].
Precisely - it is their ability to charm that makes them superb manipulators. And enables them to be very promiscuous womanisers - and remain Bad Boys whom the ladies love.
Most of them aren't psycho-killers - they're very talented, single minded and exceptionally good in social situations because they have no empathy or guilt - they've learned how to be extremely effective in them instead without all the baggage the rest of us have.
Lots of zealots and madmen have no capability of humour or appreciation of it, but psychopaths are well capable of being glib and charming.
Truly life could be much easier if we were manipulative psychopaths/sociopaths, much less doubt about things. I blame my parents for raising me right (in a broken home too, that's supposed to contribute to such things) and having a lack of brain problems (as far as I know).
Nobody on this board has ever claimed that no other religious, ethnic or political groups had ever spawned violent action. You're arguing with a ridiculous strawman.
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion. [...]
Only Islam has world wide killing organisations that operate freely in all the Moslem countries.
No other other religion, Not the Jews, Christians, Hindus or even Shinto, sends its acolytes out on killing sprees from its holy places, urged on by so called holy men with their messages of hate.
I can't recall any other religion in recent history commanding its followers to commit murder.
I think MikeK and Indigo are real people, but if you want to describe them as "ridiculous strawman", perhaps you can take that up with them directly.
They are incorrect on both those points, but both are far more specific claims that "no other religion, ethnic or political group has ever spawned violent action". Especially in Indigo's case where he limited the description to stuff he personally had heard of.
I am glad we agree that MikeK and Indigo were in error. I apologise for my subsequent exaggeration.
1% of the general population is a psychopath (circa 30% in prisons) according to various studies.
0.6% of people in the UK score 13 or above on the PCL-R scale according to the 2009 study, that is substantially below the 30 you need on the scale to be diagnosed as a clinical psychopath. People in the teens on the scale are often unpleasant, prone to violence, but usually not criminal.
The real point is that psychopath is really just a lack of emotion and empathy, they often are not criminal and use their glibness and lack of moral concerns to get to the top in business, where their "straight talking" and single mindedness are seen as an asset. Of course many others that are more prone toward a life of violence often become soldiers.
Interesting. After reading your post I found a (very) simplfied online PCL-R test online and tried it.
I don't think it's very accurate or a good prediction tool as I scored 32.
One question asks "I frequently trick people out of things. True / false"
Further down
"I feel guilty when I cheat people true / false"
If the first answer is false The second cannot really be answered without contradiction or admitting a lie
Or is that the whole point of the exercise?
Mmmmmmm.......
Edit - tried to answer honestly and scored 7
Yes, agree with that. I play a lot of poker in the casino here and at tournaments up the coast - so having the mindset to do that to a standard probably influenced my answers about deceit and remorse (or rather the lack of)
I think that the simplified online test is a poor unweighted shadow of the real thing. The genuine analysis would look for contradictions and lies, as you suggest, and would use those to assist professional diagnosis.
I have to come in on this isam and say what all the world knows but for some reason wants to keep quiet
Of all the religions in the world operating in the present day, only Islam is a political movement as well as a religion.
What do you mean by that? How is, say, Komeito, the Japanese political party linked to the Nichiren Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai, not an example of something being both a political movement and a religion? Or I mentioned before Bodu Bala Sena, the politicised Buddhist nationalist monastic organisation. What about Shas, the ultra-orthodox political party in Israel? Or Bharatiya Janata Party, with their close links to the Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh? Or Babbar Khalsa, the Sikh nationalist terrorist group?
Is that the same BJP wot won the last Indian election (2014), by a massive landslide?
Yes. Gujarat riots and all and receiving 31% of the votes of the Indian population !
Well, that's FPTP for you!!! - somehow it worked in the BJP's favour, giving them their first majority on their own, without regionalist allies, and the first time time since 1984 that one single party won a majority in India.
Hollande looks as if he has tried to define who can or cannot be Charlies. So much for political unity in France, exclude a party with a substantial vote share. Mocks the concept of freedom of expression, freedom to march. It wasn't supposed to be a day for Hollande to act like some petty PS hack, he is supposed to be President of all France.
Yes there are. Because there are more places with significant minorities of Muslims than any other religion. That's the point
There would be a lunatic fringe in any mass of people.. and the bigger the mass, the bigger the fringe
Except extremism and fundamentalism are just as common in places where Muslims are the majority as where they're the minority: Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
Yes wherever there is a significant minority it will happen, doesn't matter who is who
Can you point me to all the Christians in Iraq, China, Egypt and Syria who have been involved in terrorism?
Have they arrived recently and increased rapidly as a result of mass immigration?
Mass immigration? You mean like Christians in the New World and Australasia?
Yes indeed... you keep pulling me on things like this, I thought you were joking..
"What I see is a little bit of scapegoating the 'other'... "
So you think we're scapegoating IS? Really.
IS are not a couple of dozen Muslims with an odd philosophy. They have a functioning state with world-wide support. Or do you think otherwise?
There are various strands of Islam, but IS, Alqueda, Boko Harum etc add up to many tens of thousands of active fighters. What is the modern Christian equivalent?
Given the highly accomplished readership of PB - it's very likely that some posters are psychopaths. It doesn't make them bad people - just ones who've had to navigate the world in a different way.
Like having Autism or any other different way of being. I can think of several people I know and have as friends whom I wouldn't be too surprised about. It's all a spectrum.
Not a popular opinion, but that's never been my strong suit.
1% of the general population is a psychopath (circa 30% in prisons) according to various studies.
0.6% of people in the UK score 13 or above on the PCL-R scale according to the 2009 study, that is substantially below the 30 you need on the scale to be diagnosed as a clinical psychopath. People in the teens on the scale are often unpleasant, prone to violence, but usually not criminal.
The real point is that psychopath is really just a lack of emotion and empathy, they often are not criminal and use their glibness and lack of moral concerns to get to the top in business, where their "straight talking" and single mindedness are seen as an asset. Of course many others that are more prone toward a life of violence often become soldiers.
Interesting. After reading your post I found a (very) simplfied online PCL-R test online and tried it.
I don't think it's very accurate or a good prediction tool as I scored 32.
One question asks "I frequently trick people out of things. True / false"
Further down
"I feel guilty when I cheat people true / false"
If the first answer is false The second cannot really be answered without contradiction or admitting a lie
Or is that the whole point of the exercise?
Mmmmmmm.......
Edit - tried to answer honestly and scored 7
Yes, agree with that. I play a lot of poker in the casino here and at tournaments up the coast - so having the mindset to do that to a standard probably influenced my answers about deceit and remorse (or rather the lack of)
I think that the simplified online test is a poor unweighted shadow of the real thing. The genuine analysis would look for contradictions and lies, as you suggest, and would use those to assist professional diagnosis.
OT TV stuff - I'm watching 24 and amazed it's so highly thought of as a show - it's laughably improbable. Nice idea, but so stupid that I regularly giggle at the plot lines.
"In China, the Eastern Lightning Christian sect..."
which is clearly some crazy cult with nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. You may as well include Koresh, Jim Jones and Manson on the list.
When you say "nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity", I presume you mean apart from describing themselves as Christian, being known as the Church of the Gospel's Kingdom, taking their name from Matthew 24:27, and being described as a Christian group by a large number of independent sources. Yes, apart from those things, they don't have much to do with Christianity.
I certainly don't think that Eastern Lightning (or Koresh or Jim Jones) are representative of the vast majority of Christians in the world, who abhor such violence and disagree with such doctrinal heterodoxy. I also don't think that the Paris terrorists are representative of the vast majority of Muslims in the world, who abhor such violence and disagree with such doctrinal heterodoxy.
Do you think there's a little bit of a danger in people dismissing any examples of violence associated with people calling themselves Christian as being not to do with Christianity or in some other way as not being relevant, yet in seeing any examples of violence associated with people calling themselves Muslim as being representative of a broad problem with the religion? We could discuss the relevant statistics and all the different cases, but that would take ages. What I see is a little bit of scapegoating the 'other'...
Let us not be silly. Manson claimed to be Jesus Christ; he too had nothing to do with Christianity.
The key factor in determining the question I suppose is reading the accepted texts and jurisprudence of the great religion of Islam, and asking its scholars, and noticing the laws and sentences passed in theocratic Muslim states.
I am no expert on the provenance of this website, but it (at least) seems pretty conclusive. http://islamqa.info/en/22809
Mr. Moses, the second question's bad because implicit is that everyone cheats.
Psych tests should have backwards questions to try and root out serial yes/no tickers, and to more accurately assess traits [ie 1. Do you get angry often? 2. Do you stay calm most of the time?].
Ha! Indeed so that's it?
It's easily forged though. I actually got the low score because I answered the question " I am an honest person" as false and then just lied about the rest
Much of the discussion here in recent days strikes me as being ahistorical. ...
Do you know what the worst terrorist atrocity in France since WWII was? It is not the events of the last few days. That would be second in terms of lives lost. It was a 1961 train bombing: 28 killed, over 100 injured. The perpetrators were the OAS, Organisation de l'Armée Secrète, a right-wing group opposed to giving Algeria independence, with links to Christian fundamentalism and to today's Front National. Another group from more recent French history is the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, responsible for two terrorist attacks in the country in the 1980s and another in Turkey: they were an anti-Turkish, Communist group. Last decade saw serious attacks by ETA (Basque separatists) and FLNC (Corsican separatists). What were the solutions to the OAS and ASALA? What are the solutions to ETA and FLNC?
It is wrong to lump all terrorists together as being the same. Each of these has their own story. But it is also wrong, I suggest, to offer essentialist and exceptionalist arguments about today's Islamist terrorism as if no other religious, ethnic or political groups had ever spawned violent action.
Very good piece. Sadly, elements of the far Right have seen the recent atrocity as a means of fulfilling certain desires: sow the seed that foreigners are inherently and incurably undemocratic. Thence (they hope) it follows that the only solution is repatriation or the cattle trucks.
I am very much a right wing anti socialist conservative. Not really out of the Ken Clarke mould. Bur sadly you are correct as regards the far right - although when you see UKIP desperate for what it calls the white working class vote you do begin to wonder about just what the 'right' stands for in 'far right'.
It is also very sad to see the eagerness of the usual suspects to seize on the actions of 2 or 3 people, in fact 2 brothers and two lovers and ascribe every single muslim in the world with their motives. Muslims living in our western democracies do indeed need to condemn these attacks and where asked or able they seem to have done so. The alleged restrictions imposed on muslims does seem to be undermined when you read that one of the workers in the kosher store was a muslim, and one of the policemen murdered was of course a muslim. The evidence for mass indoctrination seems slim. The evidence for peculiar muslim susceptibility for terrorism seems slim. The only thing we know for sure that muslims are good for is causing traffic jams on the M4.
Pages 6 and 7, para 1.8: 1.8 total public spending is now projected to fall to 35.2 per cent of GDP in 2019-20, taking it below the previous post-war lows reached in 1957-58 and 1999-00 to what would probably be its lowest level in 80 years.
'...taking it back to the post war safe and affordable limits of public expenditure' you mean I think.
The lie in Labour's and your assertions is to ignore growth since the '30s and to ignore just how much capital spending in the nationalised public sector was included in spending in the sixties & seventies.
In response (and completely - and I hope delightfully - off topic) to Mr Llama (on a previous thread):
My olive trees are now potted up. I am lucky enough to have a south-facing garden in a sheltered spot in London and a very sunny terrace (which is where the olives are). I successfully grow vines and figs and have roses regularly blooming in January. These particular olive trees (they are 5 foot tall with spiral trunks) are underplanted with lavender. I'm looking forward to sitting out on my terrace once the weather is milder.
I get fantastic views across London and the sunsets are to die for!
OT TV stuff - I'm watching 24 and amazed it's so highly thought of as a show - it's laughably improbable. Nice idea, but so stupid that I regularly giggle at the plot lines.
Is this just me?
Nope, aside from the gimmick which only works if you watched live with adverts, it was a bunch of stylish crap. Which can work well on TV, but in this case it didn't work for me.
One site I used to visit referred to it as JBPH (Jack Bauer Power Hour).
To OGH's point, the ground game is important. But it is only one of several important factors. Leadership of the party is important, the message of the party and the candidate is important. The quality of the candidate is important. Events are important. And so is the ground game.
It is easy to miscalculate by misallocating emphasis or ignoring any one of these. The last mid-terms here in the US showed us how lacking a message was too damaging to the Dems for their advantage over the GOP in the ground game to overcome the deficit caused by this lack of message, even when they had better candidates and there was no discernible national GOP leadership.
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How about the UAE then?
That's one example. It sadly is not difficult to find examples of religious figures inciting violence of various sorts.
Rabbi Meir Kahane: "I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence [against Arabs]. Really, I don’t think that we can sit back and watch Arabs throwing rocks at buses whenever they feel like it. They must understand that a bomb thrown at a Jewish bus is going to mean a bomb thrown at an Arab bus." And, "There will be a perpetual war [between Jews and Arabs]." The group he founded is considered a terrorist organisation in Israel and the US.
It's difficult to take people seriously when they make such ridiculous claims that Islam is the only religion with associations with violence.
Not only is most terrorism in the world perpetrated not just by muslims, it is because of specific Islamist beliefs. The majority of the victims are other muslims, often because they are the wrong sect or merely too secular.
Yet they have a "country", a caliphate much larger than the UK where there are many thousands who would be happy to cheer them on and do the same.
Yes, they are a small minority in this country, but if at least 500 went to join ISIS, then many more will be supportive.
And throw in Boko Harum, Al Queda and all the off-shoots world-wide and they are legion. To try and equate this with Christianity is laughable.
Justin Welby may bore you to death, but he probably won't cut off your head for being non-Christian or the wrong sort of Christian.
I said for there to be strife, there needs to be a dominant mass, and a significantly growing minority mass, and the countries that you asked about don't fit that
If what you are saying is right, everywhere that any muslims live there will be trouble, but the truth is it is only when the conditions I have described are met, and it isn't their "muslim-ness" that is to blame but their "significant and rapidly growing minority" status
Its the same as Cowboys and Indians, Australians and Aboriginals, LibLabCon and UKIP whatever you want
Its the friction between an insurgent and the incumbent, little more than that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014
Those are several examples of politics and religion mixing (some peaceful, some not). In what sense is Islam, therefore, the "only [...] political movement as well as a religion"? There is a debate to be had here, but it helps to get some basic facts right.
http://vistriai.com/psychopathtest/
I don't think it's very accurate or a good prediction tool as I scored 32.
What is the aim of IS?
They are open about it.
Is it to right wrongs and fight injustice? No, it's to enslave the world i.e. convert it to their form of "pure" Islam even if that involves murdering most of them.
"In late May a group belonging to a banned cult beat a woman to death in a fast food restaurant. Her only crime was to refuse to give them her telephone number.
"The cult in question is called the Church of the Almighty God and claims to have millions of members.
"It was an ordinary evening in a small town McDonald's in east China until a family of six arrived trying to recruit new members to their Christian cult.
"They moved between the tables asking for phone numbers and when one diner refused they beat her to death, screaming at other diners to keep away or they would face the same fate.
"The savage murder was filmed on closed circuit TV and on mobile phones.
"It shocked China. Who were these people prepared to kill over a telephone number?
"Interviewed in prison later, one of the murderers, Zhang Lidong, showed no remorse and no fear.
"He said: "I beat her with all my might and stamped on her too. She was a demon. We had to destroy her.""
You want to say that's not terrorism?
Mr. M, whilst at university I gave my mum the checklist for psychopathic traits (without mentioning what the list was) and asked how many she thought I had. (I think that was DSM-IV, if I've remembered the acronym right, rather than PCL).
I got a tick next to almost all, two halves, and one only was a cross.
A problem asking people to self-assess is the natural tendency to agree. Most people are angry, bored, tired, tedious, witty and hesitant at various points in life. That doesn't mean they're rage monsters of manic-depression who suffer social anxiety disorder.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/n-a-a-c-p-bombing-in-colorado-springs-looks-sketchy/
Put it this way.. in football matches away teams get more cards than home teams.
So if Liverpool play at Tottenham, you would expect Liverpool to get more cards
It doesn't mean Liverpool are necessarily a dirtier, more argumentative side than Tottenham, because when Tottenham play at Liverpool, it is they who would be expected to get most cards
So the side that tend to be dirtier, argumentative etc are the away side and this applies to almost all sides.. if you only looked at Liverpools away matches you could say "but look at all the times Liverpool get the most bookings" and be right, but missing the point.
I will do that but it's a question that effectively has to be completed before you are likely to complete the service. However, she is very interested from a practical process of what guidance and information was provided at the start of the jury service and your general impression of the overall process including juror interaction during and at the deliberation stage etc. We also would not wish to provide any distraction from what is a very important process.
Obviously you cannot do anything during any trial and then afterwards only what you are allowed to discuss etc. as directed. I Will send my email to you for later use.
Hope you get a real juicy case !!
which is clearly some crazy cult with nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. You may as well include Koresh, Jim Jones and Manson on the list.
The UK went down the complete opposite route, hence where we find ourselves today
We do, however, share an enthusiasm for the disposal of unpleasant individuals using gravity-powered counterweighted siege engine adaptations and also domination of the planet through the deployment of genetically engineered fish. I didn't see tick boxes for those.
As for my legal obligations, she can be sure I am well aware of them and am unlikely to be distracted by anybody's questions. She's hardly likely to influence my thinking, especially as I shall be following my usual practice of finding the defendant guilty, whatever the evidence. ;-)
Alex Aan was jailed for declaring there was no god on Facebook:
http://dynamic.csw.org.uk/article.asp?t=press&id=1636
Amnesty International has also written on the subject of Indonesian blasphemy laws
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA21/030/2014/en
The violence in Sulawesi, Molluccas and Papua are in large part because of Muslim migrants being settled in areas where Christianity and animalist beliefs are traditional.
Of course there were the Bali bombings too, and while autonomous Aceh is part of Indonesia still.
There are much worse countries than Indonesia for minority faiths, but it is certainly not a beacon to the world of tolerance.
I like the football analogy but it doesn't really work. Where IS are involved they would decapitate the referee and sentence the supporters to death. When 500 British Muslims want to join them, we have a problem that is unmatched.
Lots of zealots and madmen have no capability of humour or appreciation of it, but psychopaths are well capable of being glib and charming.
http://content.time.com/time/covers/europe/0,16641,20130701,00.html
Those who write that only Muslims can be religious terrorists should read the above two articles.
"I frequently trick people out of things. True / false"
Further down
"I feel guilty when I cheat people true / false"
If the first answer is false The second cannot really be answered without contradiction or admitting a lie
Or is that the whole point of the exercise?
Mmmmmmm.......
Edit - tried to answer honestly and scored 7
"March in the guilty bastard!"
;-)
* Offer doesn't cover Le Pen, Front National....
Hollande is a complete tit.
Most of them aren't psycho-killers - they're very talented, single minded and exceptionally good in social situations because they have no empathy or guilt - they've learned how to be extremely effective in them instead without all the baggage the rest of us have.
I certainly don't think that Eastern Lightning (or Koresh or Jim Jones) are representative of the vast majority of Christians in the world, who abhor such violence and disagree with such doctrinal heterodoxy. I also don't think that the Paris terrorists are representative of the vast majority of Muslims in the world, who abhor such violence and disagree with such doctrinal heterodoxy.
Do you think there's a little bit of a danger in people dismissing any examples of violence associated with people calling themselves Christian as being not to do with Christianity or in some other way as not being relevant, yet in seeing any examples of violence associated with people calling themselves Muslim as being representative of a broad problem with the religion? We could discuss the relevant statistics and all the different cases, but that would take ages. What I see is a little bit of scapegoating the 'other'...
Psych tests should have backwards questions to try and root out serial yes/no tickers, and to more accurately assess traits [ie 1. Do you get angry often? 2. Do you stay calm most of the time?].
No insult meant. Reminds me of the movie a few years a comedy of the Wild West where they all shouted
"bring on the 'anging judge" ........(before the trial actually started.)
Like Islam, this march is full of contradictions and means different things to different people.
I think that the simplified online test is a poor unweighted shadow of the real thing. The genuine analysis would look for contradictions and lies, as you suggest, and would use those to assist professional diagnosis.
Hollande looks as if he has tried to define who can or cannot be Charlies. So much for political unity in France, exclude a party with a substantial vote share. Mocks the concept of freedom of expression, freedom to march. It wasn't supposed to be a day for Hollande to act like some petty PS hack, he is supposed to be President of all France.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/d0cc3eca-9943-11e4-be30-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0cc3eca-9943-11e4-be30-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=uk&siteedition=uk&_i_referer=http://t.co/4EhrJnpSGC#slide0
"What I see is a little bit of scapegoating the 'other'... "
So you think we're scapegoating IS? Really.
IS are not a couple of dozen Muslims with an odd philosophy. They have a functioning state with world-wide support. Or do you think otherwise?
There are various strands of Islam, but IS, Alqueda, Boko Harum etc add up to many tens of thousands of active fighters. What is the modern Christian equivalent?
See, I cheated there ... I said modern.
Like having Autism or any other different way of being. I can think of several people I know and have as friends whom I wouldn't be too surprised about. It's all a spectrum.
Not a popular opinion, but that's never been my strong suit.
Is this just me?
The key factor in determining the question I suppose is reading the accepted texts and jurisprudence of the great religion of Islam, and asking its scholars, and noticing the laws and sentences passed in theocratic Muslim states.
I am no expert on the provenance of this website, but it (at least) seems pretty conclusive.
http://islamqa.info/en/22809
Some quite bizarre stuff out there too, btw
http://islamqa.info/en/225012
It's easily forged though. I actually got the low score because I answered the question " I am an honest person" as false and then just lied about the rest
:-) ;-)
Bur sadly you are correct as regards the far right - although when you see UKIP desperate for what it calls the white working class vote you do begin to wonder about just what the 'right' stands for in 'far right'.
It is also very sad to see the eagerness of the usual suspects to seize on the actions of 2 or 3 people, in fact 2 brothers and two lovers and ascribe every single muslim in the world with their motives. Muslims living in our western democracies do indeed need to condemn these attacks and where asked or able they seem to have done so.
The alleged restrictions imposed on muslims does seem to be undermined when you read that one of the workers in the kosher store was a muslim, and one of the policemen murdered was of course a muslim.
The evidence for mass indoctrination seems slim. The evidence for peculiar muslim susceptibility for terrorism seems slim. The only thing we know for sure that muslims are good for is causing traffic jams on the M4.
The lie in Labour's and your assertions is to ignore growth since the '30s and to ignore just how much capital spending in the nationalised public sector was included in spending in the sixties & seventies.
My olive trees are now potted up. I am lucky enough to have a south-facing garden in a sheltered spot in London and a very sunny terrace (which is where the olives are). I successfully grow vines and figs and have roses regularly blooming in January. These particular olive trees (they are 5 foot tall with spiral trunks) are underplanted with lavender. I'm looking forward to sitting out on my terrace once the weather is milder.
I get fantastic views across London and the sunsets are to die for!
One site I used to visit referred to it as JBPH (Jack Bauer Power Hour).
It is easy to miscalculate by misallocating emphasis or ignoring any one of these. The last mid-terms here in the US showed us how lacking a message was too damaging to the Dems for their advantage over the GOP in the ground game to overcome the deficit caused by this lack of message, even when they had better candidates and there was no discernible national GOP leadership.