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Nice one, Marf!
I'd end the de fact segregation of the races and cultures that exist in this country for starters.
I've said a few times on here and elsewhere, I was fortunate that I grew up in the very middle class Dore and not Darnall surrounded by other people of Pakistani heritage.
My grandparents' generation never indulged in the nonsense some of the latter generation do. My Grandfather was a namazi (proper religous type who prayed 5 times a day) he would never think of hurting anyone or declare a fatwa on someone who offered him a sausage roll.
My grandfather said I should be very grateful to this country and I am.
If you're not happy with this country and/or prefer a country to be Islamist, bugger off to the Islamic State.
Explains why there wasn't extremist violence in the 60s and 70s, but there is now
http://commonsense.websanon.com/?p=214
Hear hear.
Andy Burnham was Secretary of State for a year. Signed 221 PFI deals. Almost 1 every working day. Trust #Labour with NHS? Don't be silly
Right now, French Islamists can come in freely at will. David Cameron won't do anything to change that.
well done Marf.
Given the professionalism in planning and executing the attack, and then escaping, the French security agencies - particularly DCRI - have some serious questions to answer.
They seem to be more interested in censoring what Wikipedia publish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_générale_de_la_sécurité_intérieure
I responding in full on the previous thread. I agree with you. Well said.
No, I think TSE is right about mullets.
No punishment can be too severe.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6wO2gAIMAACZOB.jpg
Dr Ali from the Irish Islamic Culture Centre just said he would seek legal advice if any journalist tweets one of #CharlieHebdo cartoons.
Teaching children every day that they are different from others (which is what segregated schooling implicitly does even if it doesn't do so explicitly) will lead to them growing up as adults who think they are different.
We are all people and as such we are targets to be used by people who want to ferment a war. The attacks are as much on the observers' minds as the victims' bodies.
At the Kingsmill massacre it was a fluke random chance that of the 12 people on the minibus it was the Catholic who was left unharmed and the 11 Protestants were shot?
http://games.usvsth3m.com/jeremy-hunts-realistic-a-and-e-crisis-simulator/
The anger in France was real. In the 90's I read an issue of the Le Nouvel Observateur which decried the UK's failure to crack down on "Londonistan", the network of Islamist hardliners, and their organisational (including links to Taliban and AQ) and propaganda activities (which were they were starting to disseminate via the web).
Some of the young Muslims I knew were getting quite caught up in that milieu - they were upset that post-Cold War, American financial/military/political "hyperpower" was going unchecked and was spreading a dangerous variety of consumerist cultural decadence around the world. They saw in Afghanistan the possibility of a new kind of state, one run under authentic Islamic lines. Iran didn't count - heretics - nor did the litany of "Islamic republics" such as Pakistan, where primary control rested with secular leaders for whom religion was essentially a political tool not their overarching purpose. There was now the prospect of a new kind of purity, one free from imperialist contamination, and which might transcend petty divisions of the Ummah by nationality or language.
One the flip side, they felt that the Ummah was being heavily oppressed by the West (not just Palestine, but things like the sanctions on Iraq which they felt were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people) as well as Russia and her Slavic nationalist allies (in Chechnya, Bosnia and Kosovo). The prospect of a "back to the roots" Revolution was exciting, the oppression of their brothers and sisters was a compelling urgency. A lot of them started getting involved in aid trips to countries which they felt had been under the cosh. The ones I knew grew out of their idealism very quickly after 9/11, because it made the actions of some of their erstwhile heroes impossible to justify.
For every day wear, it is wrong, wrong, wrong.
People are so desperate to excuse Islam that they have to make the most distorted parallels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsmill_massacre
http://www.france24.com/en/focus/20150102-video-unresolved-issue-algerian-muslims-who-fought-france/
Charb, one of the caricaturists killed today, said earlier, after receiving death threats from islamists: "I am not afraid of retaliation. I have no kids, no wife, no car, no credit. It perhaps sounds a bit pompous, but I prefer to die standing than living on my knees."
Events
Marine Le Pen to be next French President are at 4/1 with Paddy, it's a steal.
"The End of History", ha.
What makes this attack so tragic is that in this country, when we've had to deal with extremists we've done it through the medium of satire.
How did we mock Oswald Mosley and the blackshirts, took the piss out of them, and P.G. Wodehouse satirised them via Roderick Spode and gave him the dark secret of Eulalie.
Whenever Londoners get blown up by the Luftwaffe, the IRA or suicide bombers, they give the response "I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than this"
The division in Northern Ireland was never about religion. It just happened (with a little manipulation by the Brits) that the division largely, but far from perfectly, followed the religious division. Many of the greatest heroes in Nationalism and Republicanism (including some of its "terrorists") were actually Protestants for example...
BTW I'm posting this message less than 20 miles from Birmingham.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protestant_Irish_nationalists
Did the police investigate these? were there any prosecutions?? Or were the journalists just left to get on with it
If so, you could argue these deaths are the direct result of a massive failure of security by the French state. Perhaps Hollande should consider resigning.
The traditional British virtue of Free Speech may well extend to calling them all a bunch of paedophile-followers, members of the religion of piss, people who we should "not go easy on". But that is the kind of sentiment that people who do support this kind of vile attack, generally love to see expressed.
The new generation of jihadis generally have a very eschatological flavour to their worldview. They see the world as teetering on the brink of an apocalypse - a final pitched battle between the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-Kufr. IS's proclamation of a new caliphate can be seen along those lines, and they give specific end-times prophetic justification for some of their worst atrocities such as the wiping out of the Yazidi. A cataclysmic "us-vs-them" bifurcation of the world into "believers" and their enemies, is precisely what they want to achieve. The inevitable public backlash that's whipped up against Muslims, particularly Western-dwelling ones, after these atrocities is pretty much a component of the gameplan.
I'm really no expert, but I know that implying Muslims were intentionally "let in" to france as "voting fodder" is revisionist bullshit.
http://www.newsweek.com/french-arrest-4th-lone-wolf-soldiers-sent-streets-patrol-294316
There is a Northern Ireland analogy already to what is going on in France.
Your grandfather understood his new home well.
The IRA spent a lot of time torturing and killing Catholics to keep them in line, for example.
They killed more than 300 Catholics from Northern Ireland.
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html
That may well be true, but the equation is simple.
Did we have islamification and islamism before we imported islam?
No.
Why I’m backing a Labour minority government
http://politicalbookie.com/2015/01/07/why-im-backing-a-labour-minority-government/?hootPostID=140d77c4275e8a644057da03a5e94b61
Mind you I remember the Bristol mayor "tip" that Shadsy gave on his own book.,.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11329976/Paris-Charlie-Hebdo-attack-live.html
Killers said "We're Al-Qaeda, in Yemen"
Mr. Eagles, Shadsy might be right, but this election is damned hard to call.
With respect that is bullsh8t. The last thing the islamists want is for us to fight. They'd far rather advance their cause bit by bit, as they have done for centuries, winning little violent battles where the odds are stacked heavily in their favour, with people like you urging everybody to calm down at the same time.
"Incidentally my Muslim friends ... are not going to be revelling at what happened in Paris, they're going to be absolutely horrified."
Of course. I suspect most Muslims will think that.
The more religious will think that British girls show too much flesh and are not modest enough. They won't think much of homosexuality or pornography either. Similar to Mary Whitehouse in her prime. And they're fully entitled to those views, some Christians think that too.
But if, as estimated, around five hundred want to join IS, then I would guess about ten times that number will have sympathy for ISIS aims. It's a very low percentage of the total but a worrying number all the same.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-islam-prophet-muhammad?CMP=twt_gu
Why are we surprised? We had book burning and threats to kill over 30 years over Rushdie. We should have listened then and acted then.
Now the fight back - and I am clear that we will have to fight back against those who would silence us - will be that much harder.
http://jpupdates.com/2015/01/07/breaking-car-explosion-reported-outside-paris-synagogue/
http://www.thelocal.fr/20150106/anti-islam-pegida-movement-to-france
"French anti-Islamists, inspired by the huge turn-outs at the xenophobic “Pegida” demos in Germany, have organised a protest for Paris later this month. While the organiser tells The Local “it’s just a first step”, experts say it could never take off in France."
"The call has been sent out for those who oppose the “Islamisation of France” to make their feelings known in front of the Paris stock exchange on January 18th."
How will that turn out now, I don't know.
Those islamic terrorists might want to stir thing up further, I would send the police around the protest just in case.
But I doubt we will.
As I wrote a couple of threads ago, there was no publication here of the 2005 Danish cartoons. The march of thousands of lunatics was allowed to go ahead. In the recent Jesus and Mo story there was censorship of Mohammed, practically a self-inflicted blasphemy law. Politicians have been keener to restrict than protect freedom of speech (eg Leveson and the police monitoring Twitter, which may explain why they don't have resources for other concerns).