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The LDs will be delighted with this poll even though they are only half the level that they got at GE2010 – but this is a bit of progress. UKIP and the Greens are down while LAB and move up.
I must say that I have been assuming for months that my bet with ISam that the Lib Dems would outpoll UKIP was a loser but there are definite glimmers of hope of late. Long way to go but glimmers.
The circus surrounding breast feeding and that voluptuous bloke and voluptuous woman have clearly harmed UKIP. They can't afford any repeat of last week's lunacy, or the voters will turn away in mirthful bemusement and Carswell will soon be a very lonely man.
Talking of football, I'm fully expecting the premier league rights deal for which the tender begins next month, will be frankly ludicrous, the last deal was £3bn and was a near 50% increase
BT are about to park an entire Armoured division or two on Sky's lawn.
They've just offered £12 billion for EE, they are about to go for quad play services and end Sky's dominance.
Too few polls to be sure, but I suppose it's possible we're starting to see the outsider/protest parties begin to fade slightly as voters subconsciously feel the GE approaching. If so, I find it surprising this is happening so early. I didn't expect any significant polling changes this side of Christmas and probably not until well into Feb/Mar. I'm tempted to assume for now that things will regress to the mean over the next week or so, especially with all the festivities.
If voters are returning to the LDs, the intriguing aspect is which voters, and where. It's possible for an increase in the LD vote to help the Tories, or Labour, or neither. If they're anti-Tory tactical voters returning to the LD fold, that could be very damaging for the Tories. On the other hand if they're the famed post 2010 LD-to-Labour switchers, then some Lab/Con marginals may get safer for the Conservatives. If they're Green, UKIP or abstainers returning, I'd guess that would have a more neutral effect, perhaps saving some extra LD seats but not really helping either big party particularly (except if enough were saved for Clegg to keep his job, with enough MPs to form another coalition with Cameron).
But on balance, I think it's risky to make too many assumptions about the actual result until Feb/Mar. These kinds of polling movements in the meantime will potentially be good for trading though.
Given Burnham's words about the Stafford inquiry, it looks as if Labour are rather going against inquiries. After all, they can't fully control the results, and they might harm the producer's reputation ...
I still can't get over how Labour have managed to come up with an economic policy which is more right-wing than 66% of the population (according to this poll).
I'm really starting to actively want them to lose, because I fear they'd take the wrong lessons from a "win" this time.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
Given Burnham's words about the Stafford inquiry, it looks as if Labour are rather going against inquiries. After all, they can't fully control the results, and they might harm the producer's reputation ...
Typical. Of course the report caused reputational damage. The trust deserved to have its reputation traduced. Of course Labour would prefer to keep the NHS's failings secret, so we can all happily carry on believing it is The Best Health Service in the World TM.
Personally I don't believe that public bodies have the right to keep secrets from their owners, ie me.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
I think Ukraine may like some.
The Lithuanians might like to get together with the Poles and reinvent the Commonwealth.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
This won't make them happy then given they are trying to open up the Arctic for exploration.
Tuesday's FT front page: Plunging crude prices threaten the axe for $1tn of energy projects #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/lCeWdZy5hw
If UKIP have indeed peaked and look destined to collect < 15% UK wide share of the vote at the GE, then covering Ladbrokes' 10% - 15% band (57.14% of stake) at 2/1 and their 5% - 10% band (remaining 42.86% of stake) at 3/1 returns a profit of 0.714/1 (approx 8/11) on the combined stake should either element prove successful. DYOR.
@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Greens two points ahead of the Lib Dems for first time under @YouGov. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 14%, GRN 8%, LD 6%.
@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Greens two points ahead of the Lib Dems for first time under @YouGov. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 14%, GRN 8%, LD 6%.
Met a constituent the other day who was thinking of voting Green (former non-voter, anti-main party) because he'd seen they were up in the polls so they might be worth a punt - the first time I've encountered someone directly reacting to polls.
But a couple of reasonable polls for Labour there.
If UKIP have indeed peaked and look destined to collect < 15% UK wide share of the vote at the GE, then covering Ladbrokes' 10% - 15% band (57.14% of stake) at 2/1 and their 5% - 10% band (remaining 42.86% of stake) at 3/1 returns a profit of 0.714/1 (approx 8/11) on the combined stake should either element prove successful. DYOR.
20 weeks to go. Is the Liberal strategy to hang on for dear life in the hope that something will come up? Or do they have a trick up their sleeve? Paging Mark Senior
Wow expectations from the red teams biggest supporter have some what fallen, if being 2% ahead is now a good day.
Just think back to those "last days of Rome" type days when Labour were 10%+ ahead.
Yes but the difference is we are now only 20 weeks from the election. Which position would you prefer? It's not necessarily a straightforward answer. Time comes into play at some point.
Compares to an average of 1.21% over the previous 15 days (19 polls).
Positive for Lab but not a big enough sample yet to say lead has actually widened.
But UKIP falling is encouraging for Con long term - because if UKIP does start falling it will encourage the wasted vote narrative and the fall could then gather momentum.
Do the people in the Westminster bubble truly, in their heart of hearts, think there's some huge ideological gap between the Tories and Labour? David Gauke and Chris Leslie are on Newsnight now, and are literally saying the exact same things.
One day, this generation of politicians will make a fascinating case study in "narcissism of minor differences".
Compares to an average of 1.21% over the previous 15 days (19 polls).
Positive for Lab but not a big enough sample yet to say lead has actually widened.
But UKIP falling is encouraging for Con long term - because if UKIP does start falling it will encourage the wasted vote narrative and the fall could then gather momentum.
I think that's a sound point. Nothing should be done to discourage the Kipper surge, from Lab's POV
#Ukip down 2 with #Comres #Ukip down 2 with #Yougov #Ukip down 2 with #populus
Or a blip? UKIP was on 14% in Thursday's YouGov, at 11% in the 16 Nov Populus and 15% in the end-Sept ComRes. So hardly unprecedented figures. Need to wait and see if they are one-offs.
I'm actually rather surprised at UKIP doing so well in Cameron's constituency.
I always assumed Oxfordshire was "wet Tory" central.
There are a lot of small Oxfordshire villages & market towns under pressure with surprisingly high levels of financial suffering in the kinds of groups that could be considered natural Farage territory in other demographic respects. But the reason UKIP isn't even higher is a combination of a fairly strong residual belief in core principles of the Tory party plus a lot of comfortably-off commuters & their families with houses in semi-rural Oxfordshire, within easy reach of the M40 and other major routes. That's a lot of steady Tory votes; it's true blue territory and my gut feeling tells me that it's trending more so, not less, due to the effects of house prices & even better connections to London on who can live in the county. The new rail link to Marylebone next year will only magnify this effect. HS2 has made some people grumpy in the short term, but in the long term, it will also pull more well-off commuters to the county.
Oxford itself in an entity unto itself within the county, feeling like a virtual one party state for Labour since 2010 with a few random LDs representing some of the wealthier bits. This, IMO, is largely down to the absolutely massive public sector employment, combined with a fair amount of manufacturing still. Mind you, the shift in voting patterns in the city over 30-40 years must be one of the more dramatic changes in the country. To think, it used to be a Tory council.
BBC Ticker: Russia's central bank raises key interest rate from 10.5% to 17%...
Russia is getting pounded and blood is in the water. I heard a rumour that Rosneft is planning to use proceeds of a recent multibillion bond issue simply to buy dollars. Wow...
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
Russia has Europe's strongest demographics. They also have negligible debt so I am unsure why they would need to sell anything.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
Russia has Europe's strongest demographics. They also have negligible debt so I am unsure why they would need to sell anything.
Yes and that is why the Rouble dropped 10% in ONE DAY and their interest rates are at penurious levl of 17%!!! Next you will be telling us that a cut in public spending of 10% in one year is minor.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
Russia has Europe's strongest demographics. They also have negligible debt so I am unsure why they would need to sell anything.
No they don't. The death rate is still higher than the birth rate. Still there's no point arguing with pro-Russian posters online, they're impervious to facts.
A man on CNBC this morning was speculating that if the price of oil stayed low Russia would only have one thing left to sell.......land. Like they sold Alaska to America, the demographically challenged state would have to sell land to China.
Russia has Europe's strongest demographics. They also have negligible debt so I am unsure why they would need to sell anything.
No they don't. The death rate is still higher than the birth rate. Still there's no point arguing with pro-Russian posters online, they're impervious to facts.
It seems there are rather a lot of people in the country with "seriously left-wing" economic views (by your definition), according to ComRes today :P
It is a photo that its subject might prefer to forget. Neil Hamilton, the Ukip deputy chairman and would-be election candidate, stands by a flag that ripples with racist symbolism.
Revealed here for the first time, the image shows the disgraced former Tory MP speaking, as guest of honour, to an expatriate club that calls for a return of “civilised rule” to South Africa.
Taken just four years after Nelson Mandela’s election ended decades of brutal apartheid, the photo of the meeting of the Springbok Club – which flies the apartheid-era flag – emerges at a time when Mr Hamilton’s past threatens to divide Ukip and thwart his attempts to return to parliament 17 years after the “cash-for-questions” scandal forced him out.
I thought it was interesting to learn today that apparently "a 20-year career in the City that was without blemish" is an acceptable excuse for stealing nearly £43,000 in train fares.
#Ukip down 2 with #Comres #Ukip down 2 with #Yougov #Ukip down 2 with #populus
Or a blip? UKIP was on 14% in Thursday's YouGov, at 11% in the 16 Nov Populus and 15% in the end-Sept ComRes. So hardly unprecedented figures. Need to wait and see if they are one-offs.
In his 'smell the coffee' report Lord Aschcroft said the New Year polls are the most reliable:
"Early January has long been regarded as the best moment to take a reading of the levels of support for each party. With little political news or activity over the Christmas break people tend to tune out of politics and current affairs, providing an ideal opportunity to gauge voters’ views with minimal adulteration from passing news events."
Do the people in the Westminster bubble truly, in their heart of hearts, think there's some huge ideological gap between the Tories and Labour? David Gauke and Chris Leslie are on Newsnight now, and are literally saying the exact same things.
One day, this generation of politicians will make a fascinating case study in "narcissism of minor differences".
It was always so. As part of my A-level economics course I attended a debate between Geoffrey Robinson and Peter Walker - there wasn't much to distinguish Labour and Tory back then in the 1970s.
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LibLabServatives on the rise.
Also interesting to see the public want a permanent budget deficit.
Interesting.
Scottish (Survation) prediction competition entries are now closed.
Average SNP Lead prediction = 16.71%
They aren't interested in betting, they want their man to win.
BT are about to park an entire Armoured division or two on Sky's lawn.
They've just offered £12 billion for EE, they are about to go for quad play services and end Sky's dominance.
(ducks for cover)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B47fGu8CEAATfih.jpg
If voters are returning to the LDs, the intriguing aspect is which voters, and where. It's possible for an increase in the LD vote to help the Tories, or Labour, or neither. If they're anti-Tory tactical voters returning to the LD fold, that could be very damaging for the Tories. On the other hand if they're the famed post 2010 LD-to-Labour switchers, then some Lab/Con marginals may get safer for the Conservatives. If they're Green, UKIP or abstainers returning, I'd guess that would have a more neutral effect, perhaps saving some extra LD seats but not really helping either big party particularly (except if enough were saved for Clegg to keep his job, with enough MPs to form another coalition with Cameron).
But on balance, I think it's risky to make too many assumptions about the actual result until Feb/Mar. These kinds of polling movements in the meantime will potentially be good for trading though.
Hohoho!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873911/Outcry-Burnham-claims-Mid-Staffs-probe-mistake-Labour-accused-insulting-victims-saying-better-report-never-published.html
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B47hItCCQAA-vds.jpg
I said before the season started that they would struggle, I posted it on here. I backed Utd to finish above them amongst other bets against them.
Ouch.
SNP 36 Lab 21 Lib Dem 15 Con 12
I'm really starting to actively want them to lose, because I fear they'd take the wrong lessons from a "win" this time.
Personally I don't believe that public bodies have the right to keep secrets from their owners, ie me.
BBC rights go to 2017 inclusive I think.
Tuesday's FT front page:
Plunging crude prices threaten the axe for $1tn of energy projects
#tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/lCeWdZy5hw
Stock up on candles and Grey Goose.
DYOR.
I always assumed Oxfordshire was "wet Tory" central.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B47lYstIcAAgdqQ.jpg
I thought Wimbledon was a terrestrially protected species.
It costs a lot of money, they don't have the channel capacity to show every match, and Andy Murray's best years are behind him.
2% ahead in all 3 polls
But a couple of reasonable polls for Labour there.
Just think back to those "last days of Rome" type days when Labour were 10%+ ahead.
Get in.
First Susanna Reid....
Straws in the wind?
Today's polling
#Ukip down 2 with #Comres
#Ukip down 2 with #Yougov
#Ukip down 2 with #populus
Compares to an average of 1.21% over the previous 15 days (19 polls).
Positive for Lab but not a big enough sample yet to say lead has actually widened.
But UKIP falling is encouraging for Con long term - because if UKIP does start falling it will encourage the wasted vote narrative and the fall could then gather momentum.
One day, this generation of politicians will make a fascinating case study in "narcissism of minor differences".
Oxford itself in an entity unto itself within the county, feeling like a virtual one party state for Labour since 2010 with a few random LDs representing some of the wealthier bits. This, IMO, is largely down to the absolutely massive public sector employment, combined with a fair amount of manufacturing still. Mind you, the shift in voting patterns in the city over 30-40 years must be one of the more dramatic changes in the country. To think, it used to be a Tory council. Russia is getting pounded and blood is in the water. I heard a rumour that Rosneft is planning to use proceeds of a recent multibillion bond issue simply to buy dollars. Wow...
Revealed here for the first time, the image shows the disgraced former Tory MP speaking, as guest of honour, to an expatriate club that calls for a return of “civilised rule” to South Africa.
Taken just four years after Nelson Mandela’s election ended decades of brutal apartheid, the photo of the meeting of the Springbok Club – which flies the apartheid-era flag – emerges at a time when Mr Hamilton’s past threatens to divide Ukip and thwart his attempts to return to parliament 17 years after the “cash-for-questions” scandal forced him out.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/picture-exclusive-ukips-neil-hamilton-and-the-club-that-wants-civilised-rule-restored-in-south-africa-9927119.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30475232
"Early January has long been regarded as the best moment to take a reading of the levels of support for each party. With little political news or activity over the Christmas break people tend to tune out of politics and current affairs, providing an ideal opportunity to gauge voters’ views with minimal adulteration from passing news events."