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  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2014
    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2014
    Almost anything would be better than a UK government held to ransom by Scottish and Welsh nationalists or Northern Irish MPs. They'd demand huge amounts of money at England's expense.
  • Alistair said:

    B-O-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Take that Gordon and his trifling council tax pre-election bribe!!! Here's a proper pre-election bribe for the grey voter

    George Osborne‏@George_Osborne·17 mins17 minutes ago
    Can announce our new 65 plus pensioner bonds will pay the best available interest rates – 4% on 3 yr bonds and 2.8% on 1 yr bonds

    Will this go under the welfare segment of the pie chart come my next "What your taxes are spent on" letter?
    Is there not a 'pre-election bribes' segment?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Just saw the Question Time clip of the disabled man brutally exposing Russel Brand's lies about Nigel Farage blaming the disabled. About bloody time.

    To be honest, I think the whole Farage-Brand thing is going to work in Farage's favour both ways. Not only does it give Farage more of a platform, and make him look reasonable against such ludicrous rants, but the people that side with Brand are more likely to vote Green or not vote as a result.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    This story about Tory councillors defecting to UKIP in Norfolk makes me wonder whether Henry Bellingham MP might be a possibility for a surprise defection to the purples.

    http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/local/latest-local-news/breaking-news-five-west-norfolk-councillors-announce-switch-to-ukip-1-6471519?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
    I don't understand why it takes so long to turn it off and on again.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    kle4 said:

    Funny old quote from McGuinness I see:

    Unfortunately, whatever you have been told by David Cameron, there was no credible financial package on offer to executive ministers to allow us to combat the austerity agenda that this government has been inflicting on us

    So, the UK PM wasn't offering NI the ability to combat the UK PM's national agenda? Shocking.

    If only Cameron had offered comfort letters to hundred of criminals and spent £100s of millions on an enquiry this could all have been sorted out..
  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    FPT: Mr. Flightpath, I certainly hope so.

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), it seems many people find the concept of living within one's means a strange and alien notion.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2014
    Anorak said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
    I don't understand why it takes so long to turn it off and on again.
    Probably a lot of the hardware/software dates back 15 years if it's anything like the banking system's computer network.

    I was appalled to hear on a recent BBC radio programme that the reason it takes so long to transfer money between banks in the UK is because they're still using systems dating back to the 1960s.
  • AndyJS said:

    This story about Tory councillors defecting to UKIP in Norfolk makes me wonder whether Henry Bellingham MP might be a possibility for a surprise defection to the purples.

    http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/local/latest-local-news/breaking-news-five-west-norfolk-councillors-announce-switch-to-ukip-1-6471519?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    Looking through his website, there's little about either immigration or the EU, though it's well maintained. He commented on the EU as follows:

    http://www.henrybellingham.com/campaigns/eu-referendum

    That reads to me like a very loyalist Conservative.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited December 2014
    Anorak said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
    I don't understand why it takes so long to turn it off and on again.
    I'd imagine it takes a while to restore it to a state where it knows where all the aircraft currently airborne are holding, and their flight plan data. There must be few heavily sweating engineers in Hampshire.

    Perhaps they were on the end of a phishing call from India?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    This story about Tory councillors defecting to UKIP in Norfolk makes me wonder whether Henry Bellingham MP might be a possibility for a surprise defection to the purples.

    http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/local/latest-local-news/breaking-news-five-west-norfolk-councillors-announce-switch-to-ukip-1-6471519?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    Looking through his website, there's little about either immigration or the EU, though it's well maintained. He commented on the EU as follows:

    http://www.henrybellingham.com/campaigns/eu-referendum

    That reads to me like a very loyalist Conservative.
    Maybe, but not sure that means much. To read Carswell's recent comments on his old colleagues, you'd think he was suffering a living death remaining in the Tory party for the last few years, but you wouldn't have know that from the tone of his writings.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    AndyJS said:

    Anorak said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
    I don't understand why it takes so long to turn it off and on again.
    Probably a lot of the hardware/software dates back 15 years if it's anything like the banking system's computer network.

    I was appalled to hear on a recent BBC radio programme that the reason it takes so long to transfer money between banks in the UK is because they're still using systems dating back to the 1960s.
    *cough* RBS *cough*
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,473
    Neil said:

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    Would a FG-FF coalition be any less coherent than the FG-Labour coalition they've had?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    Just horribly asymmetric and fudged to be advantageous to Labour.

    Apart from that - brilliant.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Anorak said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
    I don't understand why it takes so long to turn it off and on again.
    Probably a lot of the hardware/software dates back 15 years if it's anything like the banking system's computer network.

    I was appalled to hear on a recent BBC radio programme that the reason it takes so long to transfer money between banks in the UK is because they're still using systems dating back to the 1960s.
    That's true. A large chunk of bank back-office functions are on wheezing mainframes running compiled COBOL. It works, it's robust, it's extremely hacker-proof, and contemplating an upgrade to 40 years of poorly-documented code brings every bank's IT department out in a cold sweat.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2014

    Anorak said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Swanwick air traffic control centre was supposed to open in 1994 but was delayed until the year 2000:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/873765.stm

    Last major problem there was over a year ago. NATS are doing a good job.
    They are, although maybe they could take another look at their back-up systems.
    I don't understand why it takes so long to turn it off and on again.
    I'd imagine it takes a while to restore it to a state where it knows where all the aircraft currently airborne are holding, and their flight plan data. There must be few heavily sweating engineers in Hampshire.

    Perhaps they were on the end of a phishing call from India?
    There must be a 'disaster plan' for a complete failure. Back to paper and limited analogue systems to divert flights to functional airspace elsewhere, and everything on the ground bloody well stays there. More an economic problem than a safety problem.

    EDIT: According to my colleague who used to work at Swanwick, in the worst case it would get handed off to Manchester who would pick up the whole of UK airspace. Likely that all departures would be stopped and a slew of flights returned from whence they came, but no massive safety issue. It's trained for frequently.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    TGOHF said:

    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    Just horribly asymmetric and fudged to be advantageous to Labour.

    Apart from that - brilliant.
    Any Tory plan will be fudged to be advantageous to them, so I'm not expecting one to be politically fair, but which solution will be best of the poor options. We'll see what the Tories biased plan ends up being, it may end up being less bad in comparison.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    kle4 said:

    TGOHF said:

    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    Just horribly asymmetric and fudged to be advantageous to Labour.

    Apart from that - brilliant.
    Any Tory plan will be fudged to be advantageous to them, so I'm not expecting one to be politically fair, but which solution will be best of the poor options. We'll see what the Tories biased plan ends up being, it may end up being less bad in comparison.
    Even EVEL is still asymettric but I fail to see how it would be a fudge.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    One for Pseud's Corner.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-30451640

    Bristol Green Rent Seekers' Capital 2015.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014
    So pornographer Dirty Desmond backs UKIP.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1390791/express-owner-desmond-hands-300k-to-ukip

    Hardly surprising. The Daily Express has gone bonkers for a few years now. I'm not saying that UKIP are bonkers, but the newspaper is on a par with the Daily Star these days. When the rest of the media report news it's Diana, Maddie, freak weather it's Dementia cures.

    Freddie ate my hamster. Bet Dirty Desmond wished he had got to that one first.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    TGOHF said:

    kle4 said:

    TGOHF said:

    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    Just horribly asymmetric and fudged to be advantageous to Labour.

    Apart from that - brilliant.
    Any Tory plan will be fudged to be advantageous to them, so I'm not expecting one to be politically fair, but which solution will be best of the poor options. We'll see what the Tories biased plan ends up being, it may end up being less bad in comparison.
    Even EVEL is still asymettric but I fail to see how it would be a fudge.
    We shall see - obviously the Tories will propose a plan they see as most advantageous for them, and Labour will do likewise, so all I'm saying is I'm trying not to hold those facts against eithers' plans.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    So pornographer Dirty Desmond backs UKIP.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1390791/express-owner-desmond-hands-300k-to-ukip

    Hardly surprising. The Daily Express has gone bonkers for a few years now. I'm not saying that UKIP are bonkers, but the newspaper is on a par with the Daily Star these days. When the rest of the media report news it's Diana, Maddie, freak weather it's Dementia cures.

    Freddie ate my hamster. Bet Dirty Desmond wished he had got to that one first.

    Do the Kippers have an official Diana policy ? She was in favour of immigrants - well one in particular..
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Is there anyone in the QT audience who wasn't a plant ?

    Revealed: Angry #bbcqt audience member who clashed with @rustyrockets is Ukip MEP's BROTHER http://mirr.im/1uvFfrQ
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    So Scotland and Wales get full legislatures and governments. We get a committee that can't actually block anything, before Scots and Welsh MPs force it through...

    It's pretty clear Miliband wants to emasculate England, and this is his answer to do it. I suppose it will the tribute to his English-hating father who he said he went into politics for.
  • Anorak said:

    That's true. A large chunk of bank back-office functions are on wheezing mainframes running compiled COBOL.

    Not just COBOL. A lot of assembler.

    Luckily there's a solution.

    [Advert On]
    http://www.microapl.com/asm2c/index.html
    [Advert Off]
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I read about Dirty Desmond giving £300k to the Kippers and then Guido featured a young blond lady getting her very ample breasts out in the Porn protest at Westminster today. Any link between the two?

    I do hope we will be seeing an ELBOW soon. I assume we haven't had the ICM monthly Gold Standard yet?
  • Mr. kle4, an English Parliament would give Englishmen the right to decide who governs them. English votes for English laws at least allows English MPs to decide on English-only matters.

    Miliband's pathetic offering would allow Scottish and Welsh MPs to vote on entirely devolved matters. So, the Scots can set their own income tax rates, and then get to vote on income tax rates affecting the English. It's completely unacceptable. It's an affront to equality, democracy and doesn't remotely resemble fairness.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Have any leading Kippers come out and claimed that today's air traffic control tower problems in London are God's punishment for allowing gay men to become airline pilots? Just asking!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Alistair said:

    B-O-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Take that Gordon and his trifling council tax pre-election bribe!!! Here's a proper pre-election bribe for the grey voter

    George Osborne‏@George_Osborne·17 mins17 minutes ago
    Can announce our new 65 plus pensioner bonds will pay the best available interest rates – 4% on 3 yr bonds and 2.8% on 1 yr bonds

    Will this go under the welfare segment of the pie chart come my next "What your taxes are spent on" letter?
    It comes under National Savings so I suppose you will find it listed next to premium bonds. You pay tax on it and the issue is limited to £10 billion.

    It was in the March Budget and seems not a bad idea for old people on fixed incomes as a way to invest pension pots.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    So Scotland and Wales get full legislatures and governments. We get a committee that can't actually block anything, before Scots and Welsh MPs force it through...

    It's pretty clear Miliband wants to emasculate England, and this is his answer to do it. I suppose it will the tribute to his English-hating father who he said he went into politics for.
    You can be very silly from time to time. I understand you are bitter about the way Britain is being carved up but ultimately an English parliament is a no no within the UK. How could the UK last 5 minutes if you had an English parliament with significant powers? Labour have long known this which is why they only introduced devolution because the pressure became unbearable. Miliband has been left in an awkward spot by new labour (not for the first time).
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Who is Stephen Lloyd? The Labour Broadcasting Corporation is reporting he has stood down as a LibDem PPS
  • Mr. Booth, if fairness for the English means losing the UK, so be it.

    Why should the English electorate be second class to the Welsh and Scottish?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @kle4

    'Labour said an English, or English and Welsh, committee stage would give those MPs "a key role" in considering the legislation, while MPs as a whole would have the final say.'

    If they think English voters are going to accept a scam like that they are dreaming.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2014
    [Deleted, I misunderstood]
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    So Scotland and Wales get full legislatures and governments. We get a committee that can't actually block anything, before Scots and Welsh MPs force it through...

    It's pretty clear Miliband wants to emasculate England, and this is his answer to do it. I suppose it will the tribute to his English-hating father who he said he went into politics for.
    You can be very silly from time to time. I understand you are bitter about the way Britain is being carved up but ultimately an English parliament is a no no within the UK. How could the UK last 5 minutes if you had an English parliament with significant powers? Labour have long known this which is why they only introduced devolution because the pressure became unbearable. Miliband has been left in an awkward spot by new labour (not for the first time).
    Frank is right - Ed is between a rock and a hard place - does he go for fairness for England but disaster for his party at a national level or for narrow partisan party advantage and screws England to keep his Scottish power base ?

    Tough choice - but why wasn't he thinking about it during the Indy Ref ? Clown.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    antifrank said:
    Nick Clegg’s Real Speech to Conference, Glasgow 2014

    DPM Aldo Clegg: My name is Deputy Prime Minister Aldo Clegg .... etc ...!
    Even the original strove to be remotely funny. The paraody is aimless.
    Humourless so and so!
    Quite possibly, but speaking as somebody who thought Pulp Fiction was a masterpiece (and thought his contribution to 'From Dusk til Dawn' more than worthy) I struggle to find much to cheer me about the rest of Quentin Tarantino's work. Sadly self indulgent. Perhaps cruelly self indulgent might suit better.
  • Who is Stephen Lloyd? The Labour Broadcasting Corporation is reporting he has stood down as a LibDem PPS

    Eastbourne. That's a significant development because Eastbourne is an important Tory target. Caroline Ansell is the Conservative candidate, and is well-regarded locally, but even so Stephen Lloyd was going to be tough to dislodge. With no incumbency advantage, it will be harder for the LibDems to hold it (unless of course UKIP gift it to them).
    Is he standing down as an MP? It seems he's just standing down as a PPS.
  • Mr. Flashman (deceased), my sympathy for Miliband on this is zero. Labour wanted little political fiefdoms to whence it devolved power. Common sense and basic decency demand equality for the English, instead he proposes none whatsoever. He's an opportunistic little shit.

    And those claiming this would lead to a 'Tory' advantage: it would lead to England getting some measure of governance. Whoever England chose would get the advantage (of course, we really need a full Parliament, but there we are).
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2014
    antifrank said:

    Who is Stephen Lloyd? The Labour Broadcasting Corporation is reporting he has stood down as a LibDem PPS

    Eastbourne. That's a significant development because Eastbourne is an important Tory target. Caroline Ansell is the Conservative candidate, and is well-regarded locally, but even so Stephen Lloyd was going to be tough to dislodge. With no incumbency advantage, it will be harder for the LibDems to hold it (unless of course UKIP gift it to them).
    Is he standing down as an MP? It seems he's just standing down as a PPS.
    Yes, scrub that, I misunderstood Easterross' post.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Richard it didn't say he is standing down from Parliament only as a PPS, something to do with transport issues
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Richard it didn't say he is standing down from Parliament only as a PPS, something to do with transport issues

    Immigrants on the motorway ? Kipper defection klaxon ??!?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited December 2014

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450288

    Labour says it has found a "sensible" solution to the question of which MPs should vote on England-only matters.

    The party has suggested a committee of English MPs could scrutinise bills that would not apply elsewhere in the UK.


    Nothing in it jumping out as terrible at first glance. I think.

    So Scotland and Wales get full legislatures and governments. We get a committee that can't actually block anything, before Scots and Welsh MPs force it through...

    It's pretty clear Miliband wants to emasculate England, and this is his answer to do it. I suppose it will the tribute to his English-hating father who he said he went into politics for.
    You can be very silly from time to time. I understand you are bitter about the way Britain is being carved up but ultimately an English parliament is a no no within the UK. How could the UK last 5 minutes if you had an English parliament with significant powers? Labour have long known this which is why they only introduced devolution because the pressure became unbearable. Miliband has been left in an awkward spot by new labour (not for the first time).
    How could the UK last? By having economic issues and foreign policy set at the federal level? The United States lasted a very long time without having health and education policy set at central government.

    I seriously don't understand the logic of this. The Welsh are going to turn round and say "Well we're perfectly happy with the current set up, but if the English have a devolved government to decide what happens to their own hospitals, I'll feel utterly subjugated and want to leave"??
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    On the subject of EVEL I fail to understand Labour's argument about it creating 2 categories of MPs. We have had 2 categories of MPs since 1998. We have Scottish MPs who can vote on education, planning, health, roads, law and order etc issues for England but cannot vote on these issues as they affect their own constituencies and we have English MPs who see Scottish MPs voting on issues affecting their English constituents and have to watch Scottish MPs forcing through policies they can't inflict on their own Scottish constituents.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited December 2014

    I read about Dirty Desmond giving £300k to the Kippers and then Guido featured a young blond lady getting her very ample breasts out in the Porn protest at Westminster today. Any link between the two?

    I do hope we will be seeing an ELBOW soon. I assume we haven't had the ICM monthly Gold Standard yet?

    I suppose we should feel sorry for honest workers struggling to make a living, but the activities are simply being regulated by the same guidelines set out by the British Board of Film Censors (BBFC) decree that DVD pornography (R18 films) must adhere to.
    There is a logic to this, but then again I thought it reasonable to charge the same VAT on sausage rolls as fish and chips.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,826
    Danny565 said:



    antifrank said:

    If there were a Labour/Conservative grait's coalition, the key question would be who would be Prime Minister. Would that automatically go to the party with the most seats? What if the other had accumulated more votes? And might some Labour figures be privately relieved if David Cameron remained Prime Minister of a government where Labour otherwise had the balance of power in the Cabinet?

    In my opinion, if a Labour government led by David Cameron was on offer, the public would jump at the chance -- Cameron in charge of negotiating with the EU/Putin/etc. and with his finger on the proverbial nuclear button, Labour in charge of all the domestic policy that affects people.
    The economic nous of Milliband and Balls combined with the statesmanlike qualities of Cameron? Trolling surely. If anything it's surely the opposite. It was Milliband who wisely (if sadly temporarily) kept us out of Syria, and it's the Tories who have created enough economic confidence to postp9ne bankruptcy.
  • John McTernan of Labour seems confident Osborne has blown the Tory chance of winning:

    http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2014/12/12/king-for-a-day-schmuck-for-a-lifetime/

    Perhaps he should get onto Betfair and put his money down.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,826

    So pornographer Dirty Desmond backs UKIP.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1390791/express-owner-desmond-hands-300k-to-ukip

    Hardly surprising. The Daily Express has gone bonkers for a few years now. I'm not saying that UKIP are bonkers, but the newspaper is on a par with the Daily Star these days. When the rest of the media report news it's Diana, Maddie, freak weather it's Dementia cures.

    Freddie ate my hamster. Bet Dirty Desmond wished he had got to that one first.

    You ought not to be so scathing about dementia cures, you (and all of us) may find them handy some day.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,826
    edited December 2014
    Dupe
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    On the subject of EVEL I fail to understand Labour's argument about it creating 2 categories of MPs. We have had 2 categories of MPs since 1998. We have Scottish MPs who can vote on education, planning, health, roads, law and order etc issues for England but cannot vote on these issues as they affect their own constituencies and we have English MPs who see Scottish MPs voting on issues affecting their English constituents and have to watch Scottish MPs forcing through policies they can't inflict on their own Scottish constituents.

    Correct. But really is the argument a serious one? Its really more a question of the Labour spokeman simly having to stand up and open and close their mouth like a goldfish. The content is irellevant. As long as they do not collapse into a gibbering heap then it does not matter what is actiually said.
    Labours interests are not served by EVEL and logic is the least of its worries in stalling the issue.

  • ** Introducing the Putney Upside Down Indicator Guide ("PUDING Index") **
    A few days ago I suggested that as a result of the two major parties winning a progressively smaller combined share of the vote, currently barely more than 65%, an alternative method of gauging which of these might win the General Election might be to compare which is leaking the higher percentage of votes to the left and right minority parties respectively.
    My earlier suggestion was simply to compare the UKIP vote with that of the LibDems and simply apply a margin of 5% or 7% to determine whether Labour or the Conervatives would win the main contest.
    I would now like to vary and indeed simplify this equation somewhat by introducing the PUDING Index, which compares the UKIP vote % (which in the main is taking votes from the Tories) with the LibDem+SNP+Greens combined vote % (which in the main is taking votes from Labour).
    Looking at how this works in practice, the current UKIP share of the vote is approx 17%, which compares with LibDem 7% + SNP 3% + Greens 6% = 16% combined. Consequently Labour is seen to be "leaking" a 1% lower share of the National Vote to other left leaning parties than are the Tories to UKIP. This reflects the fact that based on Sporting Index, Stephen Fisher's Projection, etc., Labour are currently marginally the favourites to win the most seats on 7 May.
    I do hope that PBers will embrace the PUDING Index and that it will become as essential a tool on the site as the longer established Sunil's ELBOW and JackW's ARSE.
    As ever, DYOR.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    ** Introducing the Putney Upside Down Indicator Guide ("PUDING Index") **
    A few days ago I suggested that as a result of the two major parties winning a progressively smaller combined share of the vote, currently barely more than 65%, an alternative method of gauging which of these might win the General Election might be to compare which is leaking the higher percentage of votes to the left and right minority parties respectively.
    My earlier suggestion was simply to compare the UKIP vote with that of the LibDems and simply apply a margin of 5% or 7% to determine whether Labour or the Conervatives would win the main contest.
    I would now like to vary and indeed simplify this equation somewhat by introducing the PUDING Index, which compares the UKIP vote % (which in the main is taking votes from the Tories) with the LibDem+SNP+Greens combined vote % (which in the main is taking votes from Labour).
    Looking at how this works in practice, the current UKIP share of the vote is approx 17%, which compares with LibDem 7% + SNP 3% + Greens 6% = 16% combined. Consequently Labour is seen to be "leaking" a 1% lower share of the National Vote to other left leaning parties than are the Tories to UKIP. This reflects the fact that based on Sporting Index, Stephen Fisher's Projection, etc., Labour are currently marginally the favourites to win the most seats on 7 May.
    I do hope that PBers will embrace the PUDING Index and that it will become as essential a tool on the site as the longer established Sunil's ELBOW and JackW's ARSE.
    As ever, DYOR.

    Although not useful in betting terms, the real indicator of a lack of public enthusiasm for the big two is that turnout is down and their share is down.. the last few elections have seen Lab+Con vote around 42% of population
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    I read about Dirty Desmond giving £300k to the Kippers and then Guido featured a young blond lady getting her very ample breasts out in the Porn protest at Westminster today. Any link between the two?

    Haha!!
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