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edited December 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Is there anybody brave enough to risk hard earned cash on what the next government will be?

So what will be the next government. The betting markets are confused – see this from Betfair Exchange pic.twitter.com/CusNgGw31M

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  • That bottom price is looking skinny.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Labour and UKIP will underperform expectations. My betting is based around that.
  • One thing I can't have is Lab Minority as longer than Lab Majority. But that's already been covered in the general Overall Majority discussions we've been having.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The most crazy thing about that betting market is that people are trying to lay 6.2 when the next price is 5.6

    Why not just go 5.8?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Is it conceivable that nobody could form a government, and the parties simply agree to another election?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2014
    isam said:

    The most crazy thing about that betting market is that people are trying to lay 6.2 when the next price is 5.6

    Why not just go 5.8?

    Maybe 'cos there are no takers at 5.8?

    The market is surprisingly illiquid, for the moment at least.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    ISIS offer guidelines justifying sexual slavery:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-issues-guidelines-for-sex-slavery/

    How they have any support at all is utterly shocking to me. How hundreds of people raised in this country can support such a group to the extent they abandon their families to get and fight for them is jaw-dropping. The people behind the immigration and integration policies for the last 60 years have a lot to answer for.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    "Is there anybody brave enough to risk hard earned cash on what the next government will be?"

    Money's too tight to mention!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrUB0g8Vjgg
  • isam said:

    The most crazy thing about that betting market is that people are trying to lay 6.2 when the next price is 5.6

    Why not just go 5.8?

    It could be a bot copying the top two prices from the other market, I suppose
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · now
    #UKIP protesters outside #Coventry town hall this morning. Seems to be about proposed W Mids "#supercouncil"

    http://t.co/vN8aOKTQrT
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    The most crazy thing about that betting market is that people are trying to lay 6.2 when the next price is 5.6

    Why not just go 5.8?

    Maybe 'cos there are no takers at 5.8?

    The market is surprisingly illiquid, for the moment at least.
    That's not really how Betfair works though. How do you know the person who takes 6.2 wouldn't have taken 5.8?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited December 2014
    Socrates said:

    ISIS offer guidelines justifying sexual slavery:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-issues-guidelines-for-sex-slavery/

    How they have any support at all is utterly shocking to me. How hundreds of people raised in this country can support such a group to the extent they abandon their families to get and fight for them is jaw-dropping. The people behind the immigration and integration policies for the last 60 years have a lot to answer for.


    In all seriousness, have you considered the possibility that they might read the bilge spouted by people who don't want 'their type' here, and feel more welcomed elsewhere?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    taffys said:

    Is it conceivable that nobody could form a government, and the parties simply agree to another election?

    The spin blame game would be entertaining.

    Who knows what would happen - perhaps the minor parties would get crushed - or soar as turnout the second time round plummets.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,171

    Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · now
    #UKIP protestors outside #Coventry town hall this morning. Seems to be about proposed W Mids "#supercouncil"

    http://t.co/MNHpKShYSK

    What is the difference between a 'supercouncil' and the former West Midlands County Council? Higher 'allowances' for councillors?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    ISIS offer guidelines justifying sexual slavery:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-issues-guidelines-for-sex-slavery/

    How they have any support at all is utterly shocking to me. How hundreds of people raised in this country can support such a group to the extent they abandon their families to get and fight for them is jaw-dropping. The people behind the immigration and integration policies for the last 60 years have a lot to answer for.


    In all seriousness, have you considered the possibility that they might read the bilge spouted by people who don't want 'their type' here, and feel more welcomed elsewhere?
    Oh of course! It's actually the fault of white people that huge numbers of British Muslims are going off to participate in beheadings and sex slavery!

    Presumably UKIP supporters are uniquely to blame, right?
  • VinnyVinny Posts: 48
    When is the ICM poll coming out?
  • taffys said:

    Is it conceivable that nobody could form a government, and the parties simply agree to another election?

    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''The people behind the immigration and integration policies for the last 60 years have a lot to answer for.''

    Its nothing to do with that. Every nasty murderous regime attracts a certain type of human vermin that wants to hang behind the troops and get stuck into the acts of depravity when they've gone by.

    The soviets had their NKVD, the Nazis their einsatzgruppen and Gestapo. Ditto the Khmer Rouge. ISIS has their slavers.

    Perhaps we should be grateful to them for sucking up some of our cr*p.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''In all seriousness, have you considered the possibility that they might read the bilge spouted by people who don't want 'their type' here, and feel more welcomed elsewhere? ''

    Even the Guardian would blush at the stunning Dhimmitude of that comment. Are you having us on?
  • I remain of the view that a Labour minority government looks like roughly a 1 in 3 chance, making a buy of that option marked:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/the-next-government-picking-through.html

    More generally, Labour should be strong favourites to be leading the next government, making Ed Miliband sensational value as a bet for next Prime Minister at 11/10 with Ladbrokes and Corals. Quite how shadsy squares that price with his price of evens that Ed Miliband will be Prime Minister at the 2015 Queen's Speech is not clear to me (the more unclear because David Cameron is 5/6 in that market).
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited December 2014
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    ISIS offer guidelines justifying sexual slavery:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-issues-guidelines-for-sex-slavery/

    How they have any support at all is utterly shocking to me. How hundreds of people raised in this country can support such a group to the extent they abandon their families to get and fight for them is jaw-dropping. The people behind the immigration and integration policies for the last 60 years have a lot to answer for.


    In all seriousness, have you considered the possibility that they might read the bilge spouted by people who don't want 'their type' here, and feel more welcomed elsewhere?
    Oh of course! It's actually the fault of white people that huge numbers of British Muslims are going off to participate in beheadings and sex slavery!

    Presumably UKIP supporters are uniquely to blame, right?
    You asked for reason, I've given you one to consider. Feel free to reject it.

    I'm looking forward to reading your suggestions.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited December 2014
    I have my own seat model which when fed the right vote shares spits out the MP number predictions. It's really accurate from 1979 up to 2010 (+/- only a handful of seats every year). If I put into it Lab 31/Tory 35/Lib Dem 12 (my current guess for next May) it suggests a Tory majority of 44. Swap the Tory/Lab shares and Labour have a huge majority. So very sensitive to small movements of the 2 main parties - which seems reasonable. In today's 5 party politics (with UKIP probably screwing its internal logic) I have no idea how good it is anymore.
  • Neil said:



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    Right, from a policy point of view it would probably be an easier negotiation than Con-Lib.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited December 2014

    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


    Tax policy is a Treasury responsibility (one they guard very carefully).
  • Neil said:



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    Right, from a policy point of view it would probably be an easier negotiation than Con-Lib.
    And it would boost the economy, as sales of green ink went through the roof.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Neil said:

    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


    Tax policy is a Treasury responsibility (one they guard very carefully).

    You may want to read the articles. This is an EU decision, and Cable's dept was handling the implementation.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    antifrank said:

    Neil said:



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    Right, from a policy point of view it would probably be an easier negotiation than Con-Lib.
    And it would boost the economy, as sales of green ink went through the roof.
    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. They'd have to put a biohazard warning on the telegraph comment pages.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    On the previous thread Nick Palmer, commenting on last night's by-election in Broxtowe which saw a big swing to the Tories, claimed that in May 2011 Labour was ahead in the national polls by 10%, and that yesterday's result should be seen in that light.

    In fact Labour were only ahead in the polls by around 3% in 2011 when the Council was elected. I suspect Nick is getting confused with 2012. So, the Tory victory was thus rather more significant and impressive and Anna Soubry will be well pleased.
  • Neil said:



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    Right, from a policy point of view it would probably be an easier negotiation than Con-Lib.
    Grand coalitions happen in Germany and Israel sometimes. If that's what people vote for, who are the politicians to argue?
  • £300k for UKIP from Dirty Desmond is clearly very good news financially for them....

    Great to see them breaking with the old politics too by actually engaging with newspaper proprietors. The people's representatives.
  • JohnO said:

    On the previous thread Nick Palmer, commenting on last night's by-election in Broxtowe which saw a big swing to the Tories, claimed that in May 2011 Labour was ahead in the national polls by 10%, and that yesterday's result should be seen in that light.

    In fact Labour were only ahead in the polls by around 3% in 2011 when the Council was elected. I suspect Nick is getting confused with 2012. So, the Tory victory was thus rather more significant and impressive and Anna Soubry will be well pleased.

    shush... are you sure you want to point that out to him...
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Neil said:

    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


    Tax policy is a Treasury responsibility (one they guard very carefully).

    You may want to read the articles. This is an EU decision, and Cable's dept was handling the implementation.

    You may want to remove those blue tinted spectacles
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Neil said:

    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


    Tax policy is a Treasury responsibility (one they guard very carefully).

    You may want to read the articles. This is an EU decision, and Cable's dept was handling the implementation.

    Having been taken in by UKIP I thought we did hardly any trading with the EU. Now I am being told that ''hundreds of thousands'' of ''micro businesses'' will go out of business because of problems associated with all the great volumes of trading they do to the EU.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    £300k for UKIP from Dirty Desmond is clearly very good news financially for them....

    Great to see them breaking with the old politics too by actually engaging with newspaper proprietors. The people's representatives.

    Not to worry:

    So far as I see it the papers will split thusly:

    Express; UKIP
    Sun, Mail, Telegraph Conservative
    Mirror: Labour.

    Grauniad: Soft Labour Endorsment.
    Times: (Very) soft Conservative endorsment.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Neil said:

    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


    Tax policy is a Treasury responsibility (one they guard very carefully).

    You may want to read the articles. This is an EU decision, and Cable's dept was handling the implementation.

    You may want to remove those blue tinted spectacles

    I just stated facts. They were not partisan comments.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014
    Pulpstar said:

    £300k for UKIP from Dirty Desmond is clearly very good news financially for them....

    Great to see them breaking with the old politics too by actually engaging with newspaper proprietors. The people's representatives.

    Not to worry:

    So far as I see it the papers will split thusly:

    Express; UKIP
    Sun, Mail, Telegraph Conservative
    Mirror: Labour.

    Grauniad: Soft Labour Endorsment.
    Times: (Very) soft Conservative endorsment.
    I can see the likes of Mail / Telegraph doing a trademarked Polly Nose Peg for Tories, but not exactly being super keen ringing endorsement.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 2014


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    I can't believe the usual anti-eU fog horns like the Mail aren't all over this. It is a bloody nightmare and totally arse about face. The EU countries want to catch missed VAT from Amazon, Google, etc, instead they are going to whack tiny start-ups and people selling tea cozies from their spare rooms.

    So far past 2 weeks have been taken up a) finding out where a couple of my start-ups stand on this and b) how to make sure I am ready to comply on 1st Jan.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Neil said:

    Neil said:


    The Huff Post gets into this VAT MESS:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alison-goodwin/small-business-closure_b_6309608.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    This may turn out to be a real nightmare for the gov in the new year.

    Will Cable take the blame? Will he be next out?

    Why would Cable take the blame for something that's Osborne's responsibility?


    Because Cable is the Business Secretary who is supposed to be handling this, e.g.

    http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/finances/vat-moss-vince-cable-must-resign/58771


    Tax policy is a Treasury responsibility (one they guard very carefully).

    You may want to read the articles. This is an EU decision, and Cable's dept was handling the implementation.

    You may want to remove those blue tinted spectacles

    I just stated facts. They were not partisan comments.

    You stated what were incorrect "facts"
  • Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2 · 36s36 seconds ago
    Apparently @StagecoachMids will take you to The Place With No Name! pic.twitter.com/533GYUlVxB

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    JohnO said:

    On the previous thread Nick Palmer, commenting on last night's by-election in Broxtowe which saw a big swing to the Tories, claimed that in May 2011 Labour was ahead in the national polls by 10%, and that yesterday's result should be seen in that light.

    In fact Labour were only ahead in the polls by around 3% in 2011 when the Council was elected. I suspect Nick is getting confused with 2012. So, the Tory victory was thus rather more significant and impressive and Anna Soubry will be well pleased.

    shush... are you sure you want to point that out to him...
    John O is looking at the result in 2011, but the most recent comparison is with the by-election in the same ward in 2012 (which is when Labour was ahead nationally by 10-14 or more). The comparison is Con +7, Lab +6, UKIP +5, LibDems not standing (-17). So a national swing to Con of 5% or so, but a local one of 0.5%.

    That said, I was posting sleepily and mixed the two up myself - apologies!

  • Neil said:



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    FG-FF would be the rough equivalent of Con-LD. (Right-wing+ALDE)
  • Anorak said:

    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. .

    The opposition benches would be rather empty.
  • Pulpstar said:

    £300k for UKIP from Dirty Desmond is clearly very good news financially for them....

    Great to see them breaking with the old politics too by actually engaging with newspaper proprietors. The people's representatives.

    Not to worry:

    So far as I see it the papers will split thusly:

    Express; UKIP
    Sun, Mail, Telegraph Conservative
    Mirror: Labour.

    Grauniad: Soft Labour Endorsment.
    Times: (Very) soft Conservative endorsment.
    I can see the likes of Mail / Telegraph doing a trademarked Polly Nose Peg for Tories, but not exactly being super keen ringing endorsement.
    And the one we're all hanging on. the FT?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited December 2014
    Neil said:



    Yup. The interesting scenario there is that you get the same result again, at which point once you've eliminated the impossible options all that's left is an improbable one, like a Con-Lab coalition.

    In policy terms there is nothing improbable at all about a Con-Lab coalition. It would probably be more coherent than the FG-FF coalition that is favourite to emerge after the next Irish GE.

    It's feeling more and more like that in Scotland already. But we will have to wait and see what happens in Scotland tomorrow - if Mr Murphy wins then a SLAB-Scottish Conservative and Unionist alliance is looking all the more likely. To what extent it will win [edit] more or less than now is another matter, and one I just can't judge reliably.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Anorak said:

    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. .

    The opposition benches would be rather empty.
    Salmond LOTO.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Pulpstar said:

    £300k for UKIP from Dirty Desmond is clearly very good news financially for them....

    Great to see them breaking with the old politics too by actually engaging with newspaper proprietors. The people's representatives.

    Not to worry:

    So far as I see it the papers will split thusly:

    Express; UKIP
    Sun, Mail, Telegraph Conservative
    Mirror: Labour.

    Grauniad: Soft Labour Endorsment.
    Times: (Very) soft Conservative endorsment.
    I can see the likes of Mail / Telegraph doing a trademarked Polly Nose Peg for Tories, but not exactly being super keen ringing endorsement.
    And the one we're all hanging on. the FT?
    The softest of soft Labour endorsments ?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2014

    Anorak said:

    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. .

    The opposition benches would be rather empty.
    PMQ would be a one-sided affair, to be sure. Then again, with Farage (maybe), Salmond, Lucas, and a few NI firebrands staffing the opposition, it would be entertaining! Shadow Cabinet meetings would be suprememly disfunctional :)
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2014

    Pulpstar said:

    £300k for UKIP from Dirty Desmond is clearly very good news financially for them....

    Great to see them breaking with the old politics too by actually engaging with newspaper proprietors. The people's representatives.

    Not to worry:

    So far as I see it the papers will split thusly:

    Express; UKIP
    Sun, Mail, Telegraph Conservative
    Mirror: Labour.

    Grauniad: Soft Labour Endorsment.
    Times: (Very) soft Conservative endorsment.
    I can see the likes of Mail / Telegraph doing a trademarked Polly Nose Peg for Tories, but not exactly being super keen ringing endorsement.
    And the one we're all hanging on. the FT?
    Labour, but softer than a blow-dried persian cat.

    Edit: I appear to be Pulpstar's [slower] twin.
  • If there were a Labour/Conservative grand coalition, the key question would be who would be Prime Minister. Would that automatically go to the party with the most seats? What if the other had accumulated more votes? And might some Labour figures be privately relieved if David Cameron remained Prime Minister of a government where Labour otherwise had the balance of power in the Cabinet?

    All this is, of course, fantasy politics. The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014
    antifrank said:

    If there were a Labour/Conservative grand coalition, the key question would be who would be Prime Minister. Would that automatically go to the party with the most seats? What if the other had accumulated more votes? And might some Labour figures be privately relieved if David Cameron remained Prime Minister of a government where Labour otherwise had the balance of power in the Cabinet?

    All this is, of course, fantasy politics. The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy.

    " The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy. "

    UKIP wouldn't feature in any Grand Coalition would we?

    Joking aside, I see no reason why in the near future, when petty , pretend differnces are put to one side, there wont be a realignment of the parties

    Left leaning Libdem, Progressive Labour, Greens, and SNP
    Blairite Labour/Cameroons/Orange Bookers
    Old Labour/Right Leaning Tories/UKIP
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. .

    The opposition benches would be rather empty.
    PMQ would be a one-sided affair, to be sure. Then again, with Farage (maybe), Salmond, Lucas, and a few NI firebrands staffing the opposition, it would be entertaining! Shadow Cabinet meetings would be suprememly disfunctional :)
    Farage? I think you meant to type 'Carswell', the leader of UKIP 2015.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Anyone else going to see 2 Cellos perform at Shepherd's Bush on 16th February ?
  • Quality-control at the Guardian might need a bit of tightening up, judging by their choice of photo for this story:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/france-proposes-assisted-dying-bill-grant-doctors-new-powers
  • I do think Labour's vote share has much further to drop.

    Have I missed another relaunch? They're getting more and more regular.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Not sure if this got picked up here but amongst the construction data this morning was this tidbit:
    ...the ONS doubled its estimate of construction output growth for the third quarter to 1.6% from 0.8%. The better performance boosts gross domestic product over the period by 0.1 percentage point, suggesting the economy grew by 0.8% between July and September, and not 0.7% as previously thought.
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/12/construction-output-shrinks-october

    Should provide a bit of a fillip for the Tories when the final revised Q3 GDP is released on 23rd Dec.
  • isam said:

    antifrank said:

    If there were a Labour/Conservative grand coalition, the key question would be who would be Prime Minister. Would that automatically go to the party with the most seats? What if the other had accumulated more votes? And might some Labour figures be privately relieved if David Cameron remained Prime Minister of a government where Labour otherwise had the balance of power in the Cabinet?

    All this is, of course, fantasy politics. The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy.

    " The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy. "

    UKIP wouldn't feature in any Grand Coalition would we?
    The hatred the average Labour supporter or Conservative has for UKIP is as nothing compared with the venom directed at the other main party. I linked earlier on in the day to John Harris's article today about his vision for the Conservative party. The comments below the line are breathtaking in their hostility to the Conservatives:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/12/modern-britain-good-tories-food-banks-poverty

    "There is no such thing as a good Tory. Nye Bevan summed them up perfectly."

    "Yes that nice Herr Himmler took over leadership of the Nazi party after they had conquered Europe and exterminated the Jews Gypsies and Homosexuals and launched a reform group to reconnect with humanity. After Herr Goebbels put some focus groups together they decided to offer free bus passes to pensioners and talk up the merits of installing wind farms in the General Government territory as an alternative to coal gas."

    "OK I will say it: the only good Tory is a dead Tory"

    "A 'good Tory'?....but none of them want to be good...it's like trying to convert Lucifer."
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2014

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. .

    The opposition benches would be rather empty.
    PMQ would be a one-sided affair, to be sure. Then again, with Farage (maybe), Salmond, Lucas, and a few NI firebrands staffing the opposition, it would be entertaining! Shadow Cabinet meetings would be suprememly disfunctional :)
    Farage? I think you meant to type 'Carswell', the leader of UKIP 2015.
    http://www.characterink.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Troll_940px.jpg
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    Quality-control at the Guardian might need a bit of tightening up, judging by their choice of photo for this story:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/france-proposes-assisted-dying-bill-grant-doctors-new-powers

    There's only one story in town at the moment, Richard. And right on Parliament's doorstep so relevant to this site (note to mods).

    telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11289635/Porn-protest-bring-your-coat-and-wrap-up-warm.html
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    Got a new a new general election market at Ladbrokes.
    Who will win the most seats:
    4/5 LD
    6/4 SNP
    6/1 UKIP
  • numbercrunchernumbercruncher Posts: 136
    edited December 2014
    Surprised we haven't seen any Scottish polls ahead of the Labour leadership announcement, hopefully we'll see some next week. Anyway, in the absence of any real polls, some synthetic ones from me and the electionforecast team...

    Less than three months after the referendum, the SNP has hit new record highs on both the weighted and aggregated measures, which now sit either side of the symbolic 45% level, the share of the Yes vote in the referendum and the SNP's constituency vote in 2011.

    The aggregated measure gives figures of:

    SNP 44 (+1)
    LAB 26 (=)
    CON 16 (-2)
    LIB 6 (+1)
    UKIP 5 (+1)
    GRN 3 (-2)

    The electionforecast weighted measure has:

    SNP 46 (+4)
    LAB 30 (-2)
    CON 11 (-1)
    LIB 6 (-1)
    GRN 4 (=)
    UKIP 2 (=):

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/543421931530514432
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited December 2014
    antifrank said:
    Nick Clegg’s Real Speech to Conference, Glasgow 2014

    DPM Aldo Clegg: My name is Deputy Prime Minister Aldo Clegg and I'm putting together a special team, and I need me eight soldiers. Eight Liberal Democrat soldiers. Now, y'all might've heard rumours about the General Election happening soon. Well, we'll be leaving a little earlier. We're gonna be dropped into middle England, dressed as civilians. And once we're in enemy territory, as a bushwhackin' guerrilla army, we're gonna be doin' one thing and one thing only... killin' Tories. Now, I don't know about y'all, but I sure as hell didn't come down from the goddamn Sheffield Mountains, cross 300 miles of England, fight my way through half of Scotland and jump out of a feckin' election battle-bus to teach the Tories lessons in humanity. Tories ain't got no humanity. They're the foot soldiers of a lefty-hatin', NHS-murderin' Bullingdon Boy and they need to be dee-stroyed. That's why any and every son of a bitch we find wearin' a Tory rosette, they're gonna die. Now, I'm the direct descendant of the Dutch merchant Abram van Rijckevorsel. That means I got a little privateer in me. And our battle plan will be that of a whole squadron of privateers. We will be cruel to the Conservatives, and through our cruelty they will know who we are. And they will find the evidence of our cruelty in the disembowelled, dismembered, and disfigured bodies of their brothers we leave behind us. And the Tory won't not be able to help themselves but to imagine the cruelty their brothers endured at our hands, and our boot heels, and the edge of our knives. And the Tory will be sickened by us, and the Tory will talk about us, and the Tory will fear us. And when the Tory closes their eyes at night and they're tortured by their subconscious for the evil they have done, it will be with thoughts of us they are tortured with. Sound good?
    Sgt. Donny “Danny” Alexander (the Bear Lib-Dem), Pfc. Tim Farron, Pfc. Vince Cable, Pfc. Simon Hughes, Pfc. Norman Lamb, Pfc. Mike Smithson, Cpl. Paddy Ashdown, Pfc. Jo Swinson: YES, SIR!
    DPM Aldo Clegg: That's what I like to hear. But I got a word of warning for all you would-be warriors. When you join my command, you take on debit. A debit you owe me personally. Each and every man (and woman!) under my command owes me one hundred Tory scalps. And I want my scalps. And all y'all will git me one hundred Tory scalps, taken from the heads of one hundred defeated Tories. Or you will die tryin'!
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    antifrank said:

    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    If there were a Labour/Conservative grand coalition, the key question would be who would be Prime Minister. Would that automatically go to the party with the most seats? What if the other had accumulated more votes? And might some Labour figures be privately relieved if David Cameron remained Prime Minister of a government where Labour otherwise had the balance of power in the Cabinet?

    All this is, of course, fantasy politics. The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy.

    " The average Labour or Conservative supporter would rather drink hemlock than share power with the hated enemy. "

    UKIP wouldn't feature in any Grand Coalition would we?
    The hatred the average Labour supporter or Conservative has for UKIP is as nothing compared with the venom directed at the other main party. I linked earlier on in the day to John Harris's article today about his vision for the Conservative party. The comments below the line are breathtaking in their hostility to the Conservatives:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/12/modern-britain-good-tories-food-banks-poverty

    "There is no such thing as a good Tory. Nye Bevan summed them up perfectly."

    "Yes that nice Herr Himmler took over leadership of the Nazi party after they had conquered Europe and exterminated the Jews Gypsies and Homosexuals and launched a reform group to reconnect with humanity. After Herr Goebbels put some focus groups together they decided to offer free bus passes to pensioners and talk up the merits of installing wind farms in the General Government territory as an alternative to coal gas."

    "OK I will say it: the only good Tory is a dead Tory"

    "A 'good Tory'?....but none of them want to be good...it's like trying to convert Lucifer."
    The person who wrote that has no idea. Tories try to do the right thing by their families, their communities and their country. They don't accept excuses why someone else shouldn't make difficult decisions for themselves.

  • shadsy said:

    Got a new a new general election market at Ladbrokes.
    Who will win the most seats:
    4/5 LD
    6/4 SNP
    6/1 UKIP

    ???????????????
  • shadsy said:

    Got a new a new general election market at Ladbrokes.
    Who will win the most seats:
    4/5 LD
    6/4 SNP
    6/1 UKIP

    ???????????????
    It's a three way match-up. The 4/5 on the Lib Dems looks a good price to me, and I'm on.
  • Re: That Harris article in the Guardian.
    He forgot to request that Tories stop eating babies........
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Surprised we haven't seen any Scottish polls ahead of the Labour leadership announcement, hopefully we'll see some next week. Anyway, in the absence of any real polls, some synthetic ones from me and the electionforecast team...

    It seems like a no-brainer to have done a poll a week before and then a week after to see if there was any New Leader bump.
  • BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking · 18m18 minutes ago
    All London airspace closed until 19:00 GMT as the result of computer failure, European flight safety body says http://bbc.in/1xa4hDH

  • shadsy said:

    Got a new a new general election market at Ladbrokes.
    Who will win the most seats:
    4/5 LD
    6/4 SNP
    6/1 UKIP


    Thanks Shadsy.

    LDs look the buy there and I've had fifty quid.

    Sent you an email a week or so back about constituency betting. Went to your private email address. I'll resend in case it got caught in the spam trap.
  • Fifty Sheds of Grey ‏@50ShedsofGrey · 1h1 hour ago
    Staring at her naked body, I asked what she wanted. She told me to go for something between a smack and a stroke. So I went for a smoke.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    antifrank said:
    Nick Clegg’s Real Speech to Conference, Glasgow 2014

    DPM Aldo Clegg: My name is Deputy Prime Minister Aldo Clegg .... etc ...!
    Even the original strove to be remotely funny. The paraody is aimless.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited December 2014

    Surprised we haven't seen any Scottish polls ahead of the Labour leadership announcement, hopefully we'll see some next week. Anyway, in the absence of any real polls, some synthetic ones from me and the electionforecast team...

    Less than three months after the referendum, the SNP has hit new record highs on both the weighted and aggregated measures, which now sit either side of the symbolic 45% level, the share of the Yes vote in the referendum and the SNP's constituency vote in 2011.

    The aggregated measure gives figures of:

    SNP 44 (+1)
    LAB 26 (=)
    CON 16 (-2)
    LIB 6 (+1)
    UKIP 5 (+1)
    GRN 3 (-2)

    The electionforecast weighted measure has:

    SNP 46 (+4)
    LAB 30 (-2)
    CON 11 (-1)
    LIB 6 (-1)
    GRN 4 (=)
    UKIP 2 (=):

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/543421931530514432

    What's particularly interesting is the Tories keep going down and down - not what we were or are assured (and not what I had expected either).

    Edit: And I forgot - thanks for doing the graph. Very nice to have it.

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited December 2014
    B-O-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Take that Gordon and his trifling council tax pre-election bribe!!! Here's a proper pre-election bribe for the grey voter

    George Osborne‏@George_Osborne·17 mins17 minutes ago
    Can announce our new 65 plus pensioner bonds will pay the best available interest rates – 4% on 3 yr bonds and 2.8% on 1 yr bonds
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Surprised we haven't seen any Scottish polls ahead of the Labour leadership announcement, hopefully we'll see some next week. Anyway, in the absence of any real polls, some synthetic ones from me and the electionforecast team...

    Less than three months after the referendum, the SNP has hit new record highs on both the weighted and aggregated measures, which now sit either side of the symbolic 45% level, the share of the Yes vote in the referendum and the SNP's constituency vote in 2011.

    The aggregated measure gives figures of:

    SNP 44 (+1)
    LAB 26 (=)
    CON 16 (-2)
    LIB 6 (+1)
    UKIP 5 (+1)
    GRN 3 (-2)

    The electionforecast weighted measure has:

    SNP 46 (+4)
    LAB 30 (-2)
    CON 11 (-1)
    LIB 6 (-1)
    GRN 4 (=)
    UKIP 2 (=):

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/543421931530514432

    Can we all make up false/fake figures out of thin air ?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    How about a LibLabCon coalition, named as such, for an epic troll of the kippers. .

    The opposition benches would be rather empty.
    PMQ would be a one-sided affair, to be sure. Then again, with Farage (maybe), Salmond, Lucas, and a few NI firebrands staffing the opposition, it would be entertaining! Shadow Cabinet meetings would be suprememly disfunctional :)
    Why would there need to be a grand coalition?
  • Surprised we haven't seen any Scottish polls ahead of the Labour leadership announcement, hopefully we'll see some next week. Anyway, in the absence of any real polls, some synthetic ones from me and the electionforecast team...

    Less than three months after the referendum, the SNP has hit new record highs on both the weighted and aggregated measures, which now sit either side of the symbolic 45% level, the share of the Yes vote in the referendum and the SNP's constituency vote in 2011.

    The aggregated measure gives figures of:

    SNP 44 (+1)
    LAB 26 (=)
    CON 16 (-2)
    LIB 6 (+1)
    UKIP 5 (+1)
    GRN 3 (-2)

    The electionforecast weighted measure has:

    SNP 46 (+4)
    LAB 30 (-2)
    CON 11 (-1)
    LIB 6 (-1)
    GRN 4 (=)
    UKIP 2 (=):

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/543421931530514432

    Can we all make up false/fake figures out of thin air ?
    Yes I did think the Lib Dems on 6 was on the high side for Scotland.
  • antifrank said:

    shadsy said:

    Got a new a new general election market at Ladbrokes.
    Who will win the most seats:
    4/5 LD
    6/4 SNP
    6/1 UKIP

    ???????????????
    It's a three way match-up. The 4/5 on the Lib Dems looks a good price to me, and I'm on.
    Thanks - if the SNP was a bit longer I would.
  • Just popping in during a difficult week.

    What would 'any other' be? Con-Lab is one possibility but I can't see that as a possible outcome of a May 2015 election. Possibly Sept/Oct 2015 but even then unlikely - it would of itself generate massive defections to all and sundry but UKIP in particular would be smiling.

    A three-party coalition is also theoretically possible but would any of the nationalists or unionists in NI want to take ministerial office when most of the offices relate to England and either way they'd be collectively responsible for English policy? Likewise the Greens? There's almost certainly more to be had for very small parties negotiating on a vote-by-vote basis (similarly, for the Lab / Con government leader, is the hassle of coalition worth the gains in the lobbies in inviting into coalition a party with 1-3 seats?

    Governments led by someone other than Con or Lab are also technical possibilities but here we really are straying into the realm of the deeply improbable.

    Is 4/1 worth it for 'any other'? Not now. IIRC, Mike got on when the Con- and Lab-minority options weren't listed, which most certainly did represent value. The most likely scenarios are for Con or Lab to formally go in with their NI ally, though frankly I don't see it happening. (Even if it were just one MP, it would trigger the result).
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking · 18m18 minutes ago
    All London airspace closed until 19:00 GMT as the result of computer failure, European flight safety body says http://bbc.in/1xa4hDH

    Power failure at Swanwick.

    Socrates has pulled all the breakers to stop foreign flights landing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Funny old quote from McGuinness I see:

    Unfortunately, whatever you have been told by David Cameron, there was no credible financial package on offer to executive ministers to allow us to combat the austerity agenda that this government has been inflicting on us

    So, the UK PM wasn't offering NI the ability to combat the UK PM's national agenda? Shocking.
  • In the main, Betfair's prices are more generous than those on offer from Ladbrokes, in some cases markedly so. For example for the status quo, Con + LibDem Coalition, Betfair goes 8.2 (7.8 net), compared with Laddies' 5.0 in decimal terms.
    That said, Mike's pick of "Any Other" doesn't appeal at all at measly odds of just under 4/1 with Betfair .... I'd want at least double or three times that price.
    It seems to me that the most likely GE outcome is that Labour will win the most seats, probably with between 270 and 300 seats in which case they will have little choice other than to enter into coalition, probably with one or even two partners, depending on the number of seats won by those would-be partners.
    Let's suppose a not unlikely scenario where both the LibDems and SNP were each to win around 25-30 seats. Those nice folk at Ladbrokes will offer you 20/1 against a Labour-SNP Coalition (I obtained 25/1 for this bet a few weeks ago), or if there is a need to include the Yellows in order to bolster the numbers, then the Magic Sign are offering 25/1 against a 3 way Lab-SNP-LibDem coalition and I've risked a tenner on just such an outcome.
    DYOR.
  • kle4 said:

    Funny old quote from McGuinness I see:

    Unfortunately, whatever you have been told by David Cameron, there was no credible financial package on offer to executive ministers to allow us to combat the austerity agenda that this government has been inflicting on us

    So, the UK PM wasn't offering NI the ability to combat the UK PM's national agenda? Shocking.

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    antifrank said:

    kle4 said:

    Funny old quote from McGuinness I see:

    Unfortunately, whatever you have been told by David Cameron, there was no credible financial package on offer to executive ministers to allow us to combat the austerity agenda that this government has been inflicting on us

    So, the UK PM wasn't offering NI the ability to combat the UK PM's national agenda? Shocking.

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?
    I don't really know much about NI, but it seems like a good bet. As tight as things are, someone with the right influence at the right time could pretty much name their price.
  • antifrank said:

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?

    A near-certainty, if that's how the electoral arithmetic works out. Still, they'd be cheaper to buy off than the SNP, I imagine.
  • BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking · 18m18 minutes ago
    All London airspace closed until 19:00 GMT as the result of computer failure, European flight safety body says http://bbc.in/1xa4hDH

    Power failure at Swanwick.

    Socrates has pulled all the breakers to stop foreign flights landing.
    http://www.nats.aero/news/swanwick-technical-failure/
    NATS can confirm that a technical problem has been reported at Swanwick air traffic control centre.

    UK airspace has not been closed, but airspace capacity has been restricted in order to manage the situation. We apologise for any delays and our incident response team has been mobilised.

    Every possible action is being taken to assist in resolving the situation and to confirm the details.

    Further information will be released as it becomes available.
  • antifrank said:

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?

    A near-certainty, if that's how the electoral arithmetic works out. Still, they'd be cheaper to buy off than the SNP, I imagine.
    You could buy off both if you transferred the nuclear subs to a base in northern Ireland. It's a shame that the geography isn't more accommodating.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited December 2014

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking · 18m18 minutes ago
    All London airspace closed until 19:00 GMT as the result of computer failure, European flight safety body says http://bbc.in/1xa4hDH

    Power failure at Swanwick.

    Socrates has pulled all the breakers to stop foreign flights landing.
    http://www.nats.aero/news/swanwick-technical-failure/
    NATS can confirm that a technical problem has been reported at Swanwick air traffic control centre.

    UK airspace has not been closed, but airspace capacity has been restricted in order to manage the situation. We apologise for any delays and our incident response team has been mobilised.

    Every possible action is being taken to assist in resolving the situation and to confirm the details.

    Further information will be released as it becomes available.
    Flights are now landing and taking off, after a reboot at NATS. But someone's going to have a nightmare relocating aircraft.
  • antifrank said:
    Nick Clegg’s Real Speech to Conference, Glasgow 2014

    DPM Aldo Clegg: My name is Deputy Prime Minister Aldo Clegg .... etc ...!
    Even the original strove to be remotely funny. The paraody is aimless.
    Humourless so and so!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The price of oil has dropped more than 10% in the last few days:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited December 2014
    The Conservatives would be totally at the mercy of the DUP if they're needing a third party next year as from what I've seen every other minor party and independent has ruled out working with the Conservatives apart from UKIP.

    If Labour need to cobble together a coalition they have the options of SNP, Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Lady Hermon and possibly the Greens, Alliance or Sinn Fein (if they take their seats). Labour could do a deal with all the Northern Irish MPs which would give them up to 18.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tim Aker MEP ‏@Tim_Aker · 39m39 minutes ago
    Brilliant to have 5 Councillors in West Norfolk join UKIP today. Welcome! http://bit.ly/1GtTOTl
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    antifrank said:

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?

    A near-certainty, if that's how the electoral arithmetic works out. Still, they'd be cheaper to buy off than the SNP, I imagine.
    The real fun would start if SF decided to take up their parliamentary seats. Some sort of temporary oath should do it.
    That'd give 8 or so seats if they voted with SDLP.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    AndyJS said:

    The price of oil has dropped more than 10% in the last few days:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

    Long term trend support is mid 40s, still a big speculative long position in oil that have not been closed out. Spreads are exploding in the very sizeable oil producer debt market, getting to be problematic rather than a boost. Might have to be bailouts.
  • antifrank said:

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?

    A near-certainty, if that's how the electoral arithmetic works out. Still, they'd be cheaper to buy off than the SNP, I imagine.
    The real fun would start if SF decided to take up their parliamentary seats. Some sort of temporary oath should do it.
    That'd give 8 or so seats if they voted with SDLP.
    The SDLP used to take the Labour Whip. Wonder if that's still the case.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    antifrank said:

    If there were a Labour/Conservative grand coalition, the key question would be who would be Prime Minister. Would that automatically go to the party with the most seats? What if the other had accumulated more votes? And might some Labour figures be privately relieved if David Cameron remained Prime Minister of a government where Labour otherwise had the balance of power in the Cabinet?

    In my opinion, if a Labour government led by David Cameron was on offer, the public would jump at the chance -- Cameron in charge of negotiating with the EU/Putin/etc. and with his finger on the proverbial nuclear button, Labour in charge of all the domestic policy that affects people.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    antifrank said:

    What are the chances of the mewling and squawking about cuts from northern Ireland politicians (despite having been given years to prepare for this moment) resulting in major concessions on this to the DUP in the wake of the general election?

    A near-certainty, if that's how the electoral arithmetic works out. Still, they'd be cheaper to buy off than the SNP, I imagine.
    The real fun would start if SF decided to take up their parliamentary seats. Some sort of temporary oath should do it.
    That'd give 8 or so seats if they voted with SDLP.
    The SDLP used to take the Labour Whip. Wonder if that's still the case.
    Wikipedia (usual caveats) say they have an informal agreement.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    B-O-O-M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Take that Gordon and his trifling council tax pre-election bribe!!! Here's a proper pre-election bribe for the grey voter

    George Osborne‏@George_Osborne·17 mins17 minutes ago
    Can announce our new 65 plus pensioner bonds will pay the best available interest rates – 4% on 3 yr bonds and 2.8% on 1 yr bonds

    Will this go under the welfare segment of the pie chart come my next "What your taxes are spent on" letter?
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