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    Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    TGOHF said:

    Poundshop Enoch Powell. Lolz.

    Brand's only good line - but a memorable one.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sunderland Washington East Lab hold , UKIP drop to 3rd

    Lab 775 Con 595 UKIP 506 Green 93 Lib Dem 52
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @Joey7Barton: Farage is a tit. Brand is a tit. Lady with large hands and red dress making solid points.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Not mentioned by Harry in his by election round up are that the 2 Aylesbury by elections are in wards part of larger CC divisions which were both won by UKIP in 2013 . The UKIP candidate in Sourhcourt is in fact the UKIP County councillor for the larger Aylesbury South West division

    Can someone reliable confirm this?
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    I think it's safe to say that there's now little chance of any Tory bounce from the Chancellor's autumn statement.
    On a slightly more cheery note for the Blue team, it would appear, at least so far as YouGov is concerned, that UKIP has lost just a little support over the recent past.

    I'm not sure that the current polls are too bad when the Chancellor said in his speech it would be fiscally neutral in factr slight tightening.

    Actually as well Osborne said ... ''The OBR report notes that the Office for National Statistics has reassessed the depth of the great recession. The fall in GDP from peak to trough between 2008 and 2009 was not 6.3 per cent, as previously thought – but instead was an even more staggering 7.2 per cent.'' ... there were claims as I recall that the recession was not quite as deep as reported.

    But its when you see figures like that, that you realise what a mess we are in and that there are no easy solutions, indeed no perfect solution. One way or another we are all poorer. Well unless you move from the dole to work. The OBR are forecasting 400,000 new jobs this year (and in most of the country at a faster rate than London). Frankly I find the job creation incredible.

    Note also that Osborne said, ''we will bring forward next year an updated Charter for Budget Responsibility and ask Parliament to support it. I can say today that government must ensure that debt continues to fall as a percentage of GDP, including using surpluses in good years for this purpose. ''
    Disobeying this rule is what allows Miliband to forsake running a surplus to spend it. Just like Brown.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2014

    Sunderland Washington East Lab hold , UKIP drop to 3rd

    Lab 775 Con 595 UKIP 506 Green 93 Lib Dem 52

    Or:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 6m 6 minutes ago
    Washington East (Sunderland) result:
    LAB - 38.3% (-3.0)
    CON - 29.4% (+4.2)
    UKIP - 25.0% (-1.1)
    GRN - 4.6% (+4.6)
    LDEM - 2.6% (-2.2)

    Not much change for a council by-election.
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    Dimbleby is hardly a neutral chairperson and totally left wing bias.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Speedy said:

    Sunderland Washington East Lab hold , UKIP drop to 3rd

    Lab 775 Con 595 UKIP 506 Green 93 Lib Dem 52

    Or:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 6m 6 minutes ago
    Washington East (Sunderland) result:
    LAB - 38.3% (-3.0)
    CON - 29.4% (+4.2)
    UKIP - 25.0% (-1.1)
    GRN - 4.6% (+4.6)
    LDEM - 2.6% (-2.2)
    Home of Nissan and massive inward investment.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Is there a free bar near QT - she was pissed but she made a damn good point
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    Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    Cor, they like a tear up in Kent
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,603
    There is more yah boo politics on this edition of QT than I have ever seen at Westminster, despite the sanctimonious beginning
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Pound Shop Enoch Powell.

    LOL First time ever seen Audience about to start a fight.

    Immigration really does wind people up doesn't it.
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    Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    I think it's safe to say that there's now little chance of any Tory bounce from the Chancellor's autumn statement.
    On a slightly more cheery note for the Blue team, it would appear, at least so far as YouGov is concerned, that UKIP has lost just a little support over the recent past.

    I'm not sure that the current polls are too bad when the Chancellor said in his speech it would be fiscally neutral in factr slight tightening.

    Actually as well Osborne said ... ''The OBR report notes that the Office for National Statistics has reassessed the depth of the great recession. The fall in GDP from peak to trough between 2008 and 2009 was not 6.3 per cent, as previously thought – but instead was an even more staggering 7.2 per cent.'' ... there were claims as I recall that the recession was not quite as deep as reported.

    But its when you see figures like that, that you realise what a mess we are in and that there are no easy solutions, indeed no perfect solution. One way or another we are all poorer. Well unless you move from the dole to work. The OBR are forecasting 400,000 new jobs this year (and in most of the country at a faster rate than London). Frankly I find the job creation incredible.

    Note also that Osborne said, ''we will bring forward next year an updated Charter for Budget Responsibility and ask Parliament to support it. I can say today that government must ensure that debt continues to fall as a percentage of GDP, including using surpluses in good years for this purpose. ''
    Disobeying this rule is what allows Miliband to forsake running a surplus to spend it. Just like Brown.
    Nah. The AS was designed to engineer a poll bounce. It fell flat.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I'm sick of Labour's mealy-mouthed criticism of Farage on this. He's the leader of a racist party with racist policies. Just say so.
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    Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    Dimbleby is hardly a neutral chairperson and totally left wing bias.

    It's a left-liberal media conspiracy.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Young Independence ‏@YIofficial · 4m4 minutes ago
    Angry yelling lady is Bunny la Roche of the Socialist workers party #bbcqt #TeamNigel

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    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,819
    Not watching QT right now, but one of my main problems with Brand is that he clearly wants to be taken really seriously, but appears to have such a thin skin and then retreats into infantile attacks even more than an actual politician if people don't react in the way he wants. Didn't he once say those who criticised his overly flowery language were doing so because they think only rich elites should be able to be articulate (if he did not say that, I apologise to him), rather than the other likely explanation, which is if you overdo the flowery talk for no reason you sound like a prat? (I have reluctantly learned that lesson myself, to be fair)
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited December 2014
    Danny565 said:

    Not going to lie, Farage hit the nail on the head before. One of the main reasons about how petty and vitriolic politics has become is, ironically, because of the fact their policies are so similar -- because they agree on everything (such as the deficit), they literally have nothing else to say apart from kneejerk tribalism.

    Well it would be nice and reassuring if they did agree on the deficit. But they don't; Osborne wants to run a surplus and use it to pay down debt. Miliband wants to spend it.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,326
    isam said:

    The Week isn't what it used to be but Nigel Horne has done a good job of bottoming out the Bolter/Bird nonsense:

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61754/sex-leaks-and-lies-basildon-brush-off-for-natasha-and-neil#.VInc5eQGr2A.gmail

    You'd think that might be the end of it, but wait. Do I hear Mike Smithson's footfall below? Does he have news of Mr Wheeler's intervention? Does a seat have to be found for Hamilton, come what may?

    The plot thickens....or does it?

    "After all that, Ukip has chosen Kerry Smith to stand for South Basildon and East Thurrock, subject to Ukip HQ’s approval.

    20/1 lovely...

    He’ll have a hard time being as colourful a contender as Bolter and Hamilton – but he does have a very good chance of becoming an MP on 7 May 2015 if Ukip can steer clear of further roadblocks"


    UKIP seems more prone to road bollocks. Or is that just Farage ?

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited December 2014
    GeoffM said:

    Not mentioned by Harry in his by election round up are that the 2 Aylesbury by elections are in wards part of larger CC divisions which were both won by UKIP in 2013 . The UKIP candidate in Sourhcourt is in fact the UKIP County councillor for the larger Aylesbury South West division

    Can someone reliable confirm this?
    If you don't believe me look at Andrew Teale's weekly review on the englishelections website
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 56s56 seconds ago Greenwich, London
    "Couldn't get where I was going because of all the immigrants". Racism straight out of Mind Your Language. Brand only one to challenge him.
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    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.

    Hmmm, not sure that would worry me
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,819
    Bobajob_ said:

    I think it's safe to say that there's now little chance of any Tory bounce from the Chancellor's autumn statement.
    On a slightly more cheery note for the Blue team, it would appear, at least so far as YouGov is concerned, that UKIP has lost just a little support over the recent past.

    I'm not sure that the current polls are too bad when the Chancellor said in his speech it would be fiscally neutral in factr slight tightening.

    Actually as well Osborne said ... ''The OBR report notes that the Office for National Statistics has reassessed the depth of the great recession. The fall in GDP from peak to trough between 2008 and 2009 was not 6.3 per cent, as previously thought – but instead was an even more staggering 7.2 per cent.'' ... there were claims as I recall that the recession was not quite as deep as reported.

    But its when you see figures like that, that you realise what a mess we are in and that there are no easy solutions, indeed no perfect solution. One way or another we are all poorer. Well unless you move from the dole to work. The OBR are forecasting 400,000 new jobs this year (and in most of the country at a faster rate than London). Frankly I find the job creation incredible.

    Note also that Osborne said, ''we will bring forward next year an updated Charter for Budget Responsibility and ask Parliament to support it. I can say today that government must ensure that debt continues to fall as a percentage of GDP, including using surpluses in good years for this purpose. ''
    Disobeying this rule is what allows Miliband to forsake running a surplus to spend it. Just like Brown.
    Nah. The AS was designed to engineer a poll bounce. It fell flat.
    Technically isn't pretty much everything frontbench politician's say carefully spun in an attempt to engineer a poll bounce? I suppose the AS and other events are slightly more substantial attempts though, being shapers of actual policy designed to engineer a bounce.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,326
    TGOHF said:

    @Joey7Barton: Farage is a tit.

    Surely F ( @ ) r ( @ ) ge?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.

    Watch Jeremy Kyle and see if you can tell the difference.
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    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.

    Watch Jeremy Kyle and see if you can tell the difference.
    I've been in the audience of both QT and the Jeremy Kyle Show
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    The Week isn't what it used to be but Nigel Horne has done a good job of bottoming out the Bolter/Bird nonsense:

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61754/sex-leaks-and-lies-basildon-brush-off-for-natasha-and-neil#.VInc5eQGr2A.gmail

    You'd think that might be the end of it, but wait. Do I hear Mike Smithson's footfall below? Does he have news of Mr Wheeler's intervention? Does a seat have to be found for Hamilton, come what may?

    The plot thickens....or does it?

    "After all that, Ukip has chosen Kerry Smith to stand for South Basildon and East Thurrock, subject to Ukip HQ’s approval.

    20/1 lovely...

    He’ll have a hard time being as colourful a contender as Bolter and Hamilton – but he does have a very good chance of becoming an MP on 7 May 2015 if Ukip can steer clear of further roadblocks"


    UKIP seems more prone to road bollocks. Or is that just Farage ?

    I think they've made decent progress over the last four years or so. Very happy
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,819

    Danny565 said:

    Not going to lie, Farage hit the nail on the head before. One of the main reasons about how petty and vitriolic politics has become is, ironically, because of the fact their policies are so similar -- because they agree on everything (such as the deficit), they literally have nothing else to say apart from kneejerk tribalism.

    Well it would be nice and reassuring if they did agree on the deficit. But they don't; Osborne wants to run a surplus and use it to pay down debt. Miliband wants to spend it.
    The path to those ends is pretty similar for several years at least though. By necessity perhaps, but I do think there is something in the argument the tribalism is at its worse when it comes to the minor disagreements, in an attempt to make trivialities seem like epic events that will stir up the base.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 56s56 seconds ago Greenwich, London
    "Couldn't get where I was going because of all the immigrants". Racism straight out of Mind Your Language. Brand only one to challenge him.

    Dan Hodges supporting Russell Brand is bad news for Brand.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.

    Watch Jeremy Kyle and see if you can tell the difference.
    I've been in the audience of both QT and the Jeremy Kyle Show
    Could be worse, could be a Kyle guest!
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    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,326
    isam said:

    isam said:

    The Week isn't what it used to be but Nigel Horne has done a good job of bottoming out the Bolter/Bird nonsense:

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61754/sex-leaks-and-lies-basildon-brush-off-for-natasha-and-neil#.VInc5eQGr2A.gmail

    You'd think that might be the end of it, but wait. Do I hear Mike Smithson's footfall below? Does he have news of Mr Wheeler's intervention? Does a seat have to be found for Hamilton, come what may?

    The plot thickens....or does it?

    "After all that, Ukip has chosen Kerry Smith to stand for South Basildon and East Thurrock, subject to Ukip HQ’s approval.

    20/1 lovely...

    He’ll have a hard time being as colourful a contender as Bolter and Hamilton – but he does have a very good chance of becoming an MP on 7 May 2015 if Ukip can steer clear of further roadblocks"


    UKIP seems more prone to road bollocks. Or is that just Farage ?

    I think they've made decent progress over the last four years or so. Very happy
    M4? Some gags just go whooooooosh.......

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.

    Watch Jeremy Kyle and see if you can tell the difference.
    Jeremy Kyle? Pffff.
    Can he top (or bottom) this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3Ag95h5_U
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    WTI Crude Oil goes below $60:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Keep Our NHS Public ‏@keepnhspublic 45s46 seconds ago
    Privatisation does NOT mean selling NHS to private companies, it is outsourcing NHS to private companies. That IS what is happening
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,326

    Do I need to watch BBC on iplayer in the morning?

    Also Russell Brand is the reason why Katy Perry isn't in my future harem.

    Watch Jeremy Kyle and see if you can tell the difference.
    I've been in the audience of both QT and the Jeremy Kyle Show
    Admit it, you were FEATURED on Jeremy Kyle!
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Camilla Cavendish has been brilliant on QT
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SNP have held South Kintyre on Argyll/Bute which must represent a very big swing from Conservative to SNP .
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,096
    edited December 2014

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,444
    I find this site useful http://blog.englishelections.org.uk as it provides more detail on the locals wards in question rather than the authority. There are similar Welsh, Scottish and Cornish sites.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Russ talking about ostentatious accents, and he wasn't talking about himself!
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Bobajob_ said:

    I think it's safe to say that there's now little chance of any Tory bounce from the Chancellor's autumn statement.
    On a slightly more cheery note for the Blue team, it would appear, at least so far as YouGov is concerned, that UKIP has lost just a little support over the recent past.

    I'm not sure that the current polls are too bad when the Chancellor said in his speech it would be fiscally neutral in factr slight tightening.

    ....
    Nah. The AS was designed to engineer a poll bounce. It fell flat.
    Like all ASs it was designed to do the best with what was available. The polls have been steady. Steady when the govt have made a politically dangerous committment to contiinued spending cuts, which on the face of it Labour are not successfully exploiting.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    SNP have held South Kintyre on Argyll/Bute which must represent a very big swing from Conservative to SNP .

    If the SNP held, how can that represent a big swing from Tory to SNP?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Twitter (Locals)
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 19m 19 minutes ago
    Washington East (Sunderland) result: LAB - 38.3% (-3.0) CON - 29.4% (+4.2) UKIP - 25.0% (-1.1) GRN - 4.6% (+4.6) LDEM - 2.6% (-2.2)

    Britain Elects @britainelects · 16m 16 minutes ago
    Labour HOLD Kingsway (Halton).


    Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
    SNP HOLD South Kintyre (Argyll & Bute).

    Britain Elects @britainelects · 47s 47 seconds ago
    Recount announced for Aylesbury Vale seat (which ward not yet known) between Liberal Democrats and UKIP.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 3m3 minutes ago
    Recount announced for Aylesbury Vale seat (which ward not yet known) between Liberal Democrats and UKIP.
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    Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195

    Bobajob_ said:

    I think it's safe to say that there's now little chance of any Tory bounce from the Chancellor's autumn statement.
    On a slightly more cheery note for the Blue team, it would appear, at least so far as YouGov is concerned, that UKIP has lost just a little support over the recent past.

    I'm not sure that the current polls are too bad when the Chancellor said in his speech it would be fiscally neutral in factr slight tightening.

    ....
    Nah. The AS was designed to engineer a poll bounce. It fell flat.
    Like all ASs it was designed to do the best with what was available. The polls have been steady. Steady when the govt have made a politically dangerous committment to contiinued spending cuts, which on the face of it Labour are not successfully exploiting.

    Nope. Was designed to bring around a sugar rush. It unravelled in short order and failed to do its job.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    The Week isn't what it used to be but Nigel Horne has done a good job of bottoming out the Bolter/Bird nonsense:

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61754/sex-leaks-and-lies-basildon-brush-off-for-natasha-and-neil#.VInc5eQGr2A.gmail

    You'd think that might be the end of it, but wait. Do I hear Mike Smithson's footfall below? Does he have news of Mr Wheeler's intervention? Does a seat have to be found for Hamilton, come what may?

    The plot thickens....or does it?

    "After all that, Ukip has chosen Kerry Smith to stand for South Basildon and East Thurrock, subject to Ukip HQ’s approval.

    20/1 lovely...

    He’ll have a hard time being as colourful a contender as Bolter and Hamilton – but he does have a very good chance of becoming an MP on 7 May 2015 if Ukip can steer clear of further roadblocks"


    UKIP seems more prone to road bollocks. Or is that just Farage ?

    I think they've made decent progress over the last four years or so. Very happy
    M4? Some gags just go whooooooosh.......

    Ah! I geddit now! Apols
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2014
    Ohhhh:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Recount announced for Aylesbury Vale seat (which ward not yet known) between Liberal Democrats and UKIP.

    Mark Senior, are you there?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Nick Palmer's canvassing results weren't great:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 29s 30 seconds ago
    Toton & Childwell Meadows (Broxtowe) result:
    CON - 54.5% (+5.8)
    LAB - 26.0% (-3.5)
    UKIP - 19.5% (+9.8)
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    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    and those of us born overseas now in UK tend to be of an age that we place less strain on education and NHS than those who've been born here given our age.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Did not a woman on QT claim that Canterbury prison was full of immigrants . Seems that it was actually closed in 2013 and is full of no one at all .
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    Toton & Childwell Meadows (Broxtowe) result:
    CON - 54.5% (+5.8)
    LAB - 26.0% (-3.5)
    UKIP - 19.5% (+9.8)
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    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    It would be an interesting experiment
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    The NHS is incredibly important to us says Tory MP. So why have NHS staff been denied a pay rise while MPs award themselves 11%?

    Goldfish expression from aforesaid MP
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    Bobajob_Bobajob_ Posts: 195
    Speedy said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 56s56 seconds ago Greenwich, London
    "Couldn't get where I was going because of all the immigrants". Racism straight out of Mind Your Language. Brand only one to challenge him.

    Dan Hodges supporting Russell Brand is bad news for Brand.
    ...and (inevitably) a disaster for Ed Miliband.
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    Would it be ungallant to remind NickPalmer of his prediction?
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Speedy said:

    Ohhhh:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Recount announced for Aylesbury Vale seat (which ward not yet known) between Liberal Democrats and UKIP.

    Mark Senior, are you there?

    Yep , I saw that tweet , as expected by me .
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    A lot of die hard kippers are going to have to change their tack after Farage clearly put himself to the left of Gordon Brown by saying he wanted no private contractors in the NHS. He clearly disagrees with Carswell as well.

    The NHS is now double plus good.
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    @ peter_from_putney

    Thanks for comments on previous thread, glad you find it interesting.
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    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    I took my figures from the same source as here

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    The NHS is incredibly important to us says Tory MP. So why have NHS staff been denied a pay rise while MPs award themselves 11%?

    Goldfish expression from aforesaid MP

    Maybe she thinks there is more to healthcare than the unionised staff's salaries ?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,326
    No aurora tonight, so that's me calling it a night folks.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    No Libdem candidate, and Labour's vote still dropped?

    Toton & Childwell Meadows (Broxtowe) result:
    CON - 54.5% (+5.8)
    LAB - 26.0% (-3.5)
    UKIP - 19.5% (+9.8)

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    Mr Brand and Mr Farage bout certainly lived up to expectations.
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    Toton & Childwell Meadows (Broxtowe) result:
    CON - 54.5% (+5.8)
    LAB - 26.0% (-3.5)
    UKIP - 19.5% (+9.8)

    ~80% vote for pro-HS2 parties in area of East Midlands HS2 stop.

    Not the political issue many would like you to believe.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    fitalass said:

    No Libdem candidate, and Labour's vote still dropped?

    Toton & Childwell Meadows (Broxtowe) result:
    CON - 54.5% (+5.8)
    LAB - 26.0% (-3.5)
    UKIP - 19.5% (+9.8)

    Sourby factor ?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    OK the SNP are on a roll:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 36s 37 seconds ago
    South Kintyre (Argyll & Bute) first prefs. result:
    SNP - 62.2% (+43.9)
    LDEM - 14.1% (-1.4)
    CON - 13.4% (-36.6)
    LAB - 10.3% (+10.3)
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Argyll and Bute 1st preferences

    SNP 942 LD 214 Con 203 Lab 156

    Approx 40% swing from Con to SNP and Lib Dems move into 2nd
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I am so glad that I disagree with Russell Brand on almost everything
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    isam said:

    Camilla Cavendish has been brilliant on QT

    Camilla Cavendish is always an excellent addition on QuestionTime.

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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Speedy said:

    Ohhhh:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Recount announced for Aylesbury Vale seat (which ward not yet known) between Liberal Democrats and UKIP.

    Mark Senior, are you there?

    Yep , I saw that tweet , as expected by me .
    You *expected* a recount?
    That's a pretty delusional claim even for you.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    QT not as explosive as I hoped tonight.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    TGOHF said:

    The NHS is incredibly important to us says Tory MP. So why have NHS staff been denied a pay rise while MPs award themselves 11%?

    Goldfish expression from aforesaid MP

    Maybe she thinks there is more to healthcare than the unionised staff's salaries ?
    Holding down NHS pay results in higher pay costs as more staff only work additional shifts as Agency.

    FACT look at any set of NHS Acute Trusts accounts.

    MONITOR report will confirm this before GE2015
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    I took my figures from the same source as here

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service
    Those figures exclude General Practice and Locums. Also a lot of foreign trained Doctors return to their home country, but remain on the register, so the figures are not always up to date.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    GeoffM said:

    Speedy said:

    Ohhhh:
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Recount announced for Aylesbury Vale seat (which ward not yet known) between Liberal Democrats and UKIP.

    Mark Senior, are you there?

    Yep , I saw that tweet , as expected by me .
    You *expected* a recount?
    That's a pretty delusional claim even for you.
    See my forecasts on the Vote 2012 website , as posted earlier , UKIP won both the larger CC divisions in 2013 which contain these district wards .
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Twitter
    Britain Elects @britainelects · 3m 3 minutes ago
    South Kintyre (Argyll & Bute) first prefs: SNP - 942 LDEM - 214 CON - 203 LAB - 156

    Britain Elects @britainelects · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Conservative HOLD Cox Green (Windsor & Maidenhead).
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    Penny Morduant on QT = Very Unimpressive
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Keep Our NHS Public ‏@keepnhspublic 45s46 seconds ago
    Privatisation does NOT mean selling NHS to private companies, it is outsourcing NHS to private companies. That IS what is happening

    Yes, unfortunately it is happening like that.
    I'd be much happier with a direct sell-off
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    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    I took my figures from the same source as here

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service
    Those figures exclude General Practice and Locums. Also a lot of foreign trained Doctors return to their home country, but remain on the register, so the figures are not always up to date.
    Cheers.

    My grandfather worked for the NHS for nearly 30 years and he was a Johnny Foreigner immigrant.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2014

    Argyll and Bute 1st preferences

    SNP 942 LD 214 Con 203 Lab 156

    Approx 40% swing from Con to SNP and Lib Dems move into 2nd

    Or alternatively everyone else got crushed by the SNP, by more than the LD's.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    The NHS is incredibly important to us says Tory MP. So why have NHS staff been denied a pay rise while MPs award themselves 11%?

    Care matters more than money grabbing employees.

    I'm guessing that you've forgotten that the primary role of the NHS is to look after patients, not feather bed the staff.

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    Carswell excitedly retweeting how ukip nearly got a fifth of the vote in broxtowe ward, his chum failed to say tory vote up to well over half of it...
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101
    GeoffM said:

    Keep Our NHS Public ‏@keepnhspublic 45s46 seconds ago
    Privatisation does NOT mean selling NHS to private companies, it is outsourcing NHS to private companies. That IS what is happening

    Yes, unfortunately it is happening like that.
    I'd be much happier with a direct sell-off
    Why do you care?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    I noticed that she was in the news a fair bit this last week.
    TGOHF said:

    fitalass said:

    No Libdem candidate, and Labour's vote still dropped?

    Toton & Childwell Meadows (Broxtowe) result:
    CON - 54.5% (+5.8)
    LAB - 26.0% (-3.5)
    UKIP - 19.5% (+9.8)

    Sourby factor ?
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    Penny Morduant on QT = Very Unimpressive

    Dreadful, normally I record QT and watch it later but fancied the Brand/Farage thing so watched it with the wife, her main comment was how boring Penny is.
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    NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    Hold on.

    If doctors pay for their own training, then it's fine if they move abroad; they've paid for their own training.

    If the State has paid for their training, then they are basically "stealing" from that country.

    Does anyone have the figures for this?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Andrew Teale is an absolute wizard when it comes to anything to do with local election results. Check out his website here:

    http://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    TGOHF said:

    The NHS is incredibly important to us says Tory MP. So why have NHS staff been denied a pay rise while MPs award themselves 11%?

    Goldfish expression from aforesaid MP

    Maybe she thinks there is more to healthcare than the unionised staff's salaries ?
    Holding down NHS pay results in higher pay costs as more staff only work additional shifts as Agency.

    FACT look at any set of NHS Acute Trusts accounts.

    MONITOR report will confirm this before GE2015
    There are some people whose love of market forces does not extend to me being paid £1500 to fill a Saturday rota gap!

    But working as a Locum is pretty grotty fairly quickly.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    UKIP gain Stamford North from Ind
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    QT not as explosive as I hoped tonight.

    Farage has become boringly uncontroversial recently.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Twitter
    Britain Elects @britainelects · now 1 minute ago
    UKIP GAIN Stamford North (Lincolnshire) from Independent.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,101

    The NHS is incredibly important to us says Tory MP. So why have NHS staff been denied a pay rise while MPs award themselves 11%?

    Care matters more than money grabbing employees.

    I'm guessing that you've forgotten that the primary role of the NHS is to look after patients, not feather bed the staff.

    Feather beds are bad.

    Some patients have allergies.

    You think staff dont spend all day every day trying to prioritise patient care.

    Fair enough you are clearly best placed to know
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    QT not as explosive as I hoped tonight.

    Farage has become boringly uncontroversial recently.
    I was expecting a proper shouting match between Brand and Farage, unfortunately the other guests, whom I already forgot, where getting in the way.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    isam said:

    I am so glad that I disagree with Russell Brand on almost everything

    It's the *almost* in your comment that worries me!
    I challenge you to publicly admit to one significant viewpoint that you and the nutter share.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Ninoinoz said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    Hold on.

    If doctors pay for their own training, then it's fine if they move abroad; they've paid for their own training.

    If the State has paid for their training, then they are basically "stealing" from that country.

    Does anyone have the figures for this?
    You have it the wrong way round. The UK is a big importer of Doctors with 40% being foreign trained, so no cost to the UK taxpayer.

    As tim would point out so often: immigrants are much more likely to have degrees than UK natives.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Britain Elects @britainelects · now 1 minute ago
    UKIP GAIN Stamford North (Lincolnshire) from Independent.

    Lincolnshire is UKIP territory since 2013.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Ninoinoz said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Greenwich, London
    I think one day all the migrants in this country should go on strike. Let's see how good our health and public services are then.

    That's a great idea.

    That same day all the migrants in this country stop going to the GP, to school, stop using public services etc and see where we are
    26% of GPs are immigrants.

    Edit: Or it maybe 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants.
    I think the figure is 40% of registered UK doctors trained overseas.
    Hold on.

    If doctors pay for their own training, then it's fine if they move abroad; they've paid for their own training.

    If the State has paid for their training, then they are basically "stealing" from that country.

    Does anyone have the figures for this?
    How about Doctors who train here, and move to lucrative overseas posts? Is that 'stealing' from the UK?
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