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edited December 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New report suggests that students could tip the balance of power at GE15 provided they register to vote

Following the Lord Ashcroft Sheffield Hallam poll last week which had the LD leader with a lead of just 3% over LAB there’s a new analysis of student voting patterns by Oxford’s Stephen Fisher suggesting that Nick Clegg and other Lib Dems could be vulnerable in seats where there are a lot of students on the register.

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  • First ..... again!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Second then
  • Third - like Clegg in Hallam..! : )
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited December 2014
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/tories-to-shut-up-about-immigration-and-talk-about-the-economy-instead/

    Good luck with that as the newspapers, the courts and other European Leaders slowly pick apart his speech over the next few weeks. The Commission seems intent on challenging most of the significant bits of his speech in the ECJ, which will probably provide a stream of adverse judgements for the media to hang their stories on. It will also make it very obvious that his speech will require a lot of treaty changes to implement, which people like Komorowski have already said they will oppose.

    "Democracy can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." as Europe will prove over the next few years.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    On Topic: The ICM constituency poll in May had LAB ahead comfortably. LAB:33 CON:24 LD:23 UKIP:10
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,167
    I'm sure that Mr Farron will be kind enough to recommend seats in the Lords for Clegg and Alexander. Although, with their shrinking vote share, they probably won't be entitled to any extra seats. That just leaves "I'm a Celebrity" as a future career path.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited December 2014


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Apparently he has the highest public satisfaction in his performance (47%) of any Tory chancellor since Geoff Howe in 1980, not sure it can last forever at this rate... Having said that the most popular chancellor in modern times is Dennis Healey (67%), so maybe popularity isn't the be-all and end-all!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sheffield Hallam is one of the most prosperous constituencies in the north of England and the idea that the great unwashed student population will have any significant influence on the outcome in the seat is barking.

    There's more chance that they'll abstain from unbridled sex, drugs, booze and Bargain Hunt for the term than there is of Clegg losing the seat.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    edited December 2014
    Something that worries me around the student vote, and for that matter multiple home ownership, especially given the rise of postal voting, is the ease with which some might vote twice. Isn't it time multiple registration was made illegal?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    JackW said:

    Sheffield Hallam is one of the most prosperous constituencies in the north of England and the idea that the great unwashed student population will have any significant influence on the outcome in the seat is barking.

    There's more chance that they'll abstain from unbridled sex, drugs, booze and Bargain Hunt for the term than there is of Clegg losing the seat.

    Agreed - but Clegg certainly deserves to lose his seat - he has been a very weak leader in many ways.
  • Something that worries me around the student vote, and for that matter multiple home ownership, especially given the rise of postal voting, is the ease with which some might vote twice. Isn't it time multiple registration was made illegal?

    Is there any evidence that people do it in numbers worth worrying about? You'd think it would be fairly easy to detect, since there are records of who votes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    I can confirm that Sheffield Hallam Lib Dems have started love bombing the Tories.

    South Yorkshire Tories could be responsible for unseating both Clegg and Miliband next May if we vote tactically.

    As Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    felix said:

    JackW said:

    Sheffield Hallam is one of the most prosperous constituencies in the north of England and the idea that the great unwashed student population will have any significant influence on the outcome in the seat is barking.

    There's more chance that they'll abstain from unbridled sex, drugs, booze and Bargain Hunt for the term than there is of Clegg losing the seat.

    Agreed - but Clegg certainly deserves to lose his seat - he has been a very weak leader in many ways.
    Nonsense.

    Being part of a Coalition that has provided stable government and ensured the demise of Gordon Brown and all his works has been a triumph for sanity.

    Huzzah for the Coalition.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787



    As Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility.

    Exactly - whether to microwave or boil his rice ?!?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited December 2014
    Pardon my ignorance but weren't most of Sheffield's two university students moved to the Sheffield Central when the Broomhill ward was allocated to Sheffield Central from the Hallam constituency.

    Broomhill is where the most of Uni Halls of residence are for students.
  • JackW said:



    As Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility.

    Exactly - whether to microwave or boil his rice ?!?

    Tsk. Uncle Ben Parker, from The Amazing Spider-Man
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    JackW said:

    felix said:

    JackW said:

    Sheffield Hallam is one of the most prosperous constituencies in the north of England and the idea that the great unwashed student population will have any significant influence on the outcome in the seat is barking.

    There's more chance that they'll abstain from unbridled sex, drugs, booze and Bargain Hunt for the term than there is of Clegg losing the seat.

    Agreed - but Clegg certainly deserves to lose his seat - he has been a very weak leader in many ways.
    Nonsense.

    Being part of a Coalition that has provided stable government and ensured the demise of Gordon Brown and all his works has been a triumph for sanity.

    Huzzah for the Coalition.

    "All his works" might be a bit generous, we are still stuck with a fair few of his idiocies not least Tax credits that give more money than the total of the tax paid.

  • As Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility.

    I though he said "every grain is light and fluffy" - a different Uncle Ben perhaps...?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited December 2014
    Indigo said:


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Apparently he has the highest public satisfaction in his performance (47%) of any Tory chancellor since Geoff Howe in 1980, not sure it can last forever at this rate... Having said that the most popular chancellor in modern times is Dennis Healey (67%), so maybe popularity isn't the be-all and end-all!
    "Denis Healey cut total real-terms spending by 3.9pc in just one year in 1977-78, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility.

    Compared with Healey, Osborne is a softie. The OBR expects him to have cut spending by just 2.2pc by 2014-15, an astonishingly slow four-year reduction in total spending only made possible by anaesthetised bond markets. Healey, not Osborne, was the real axeman."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10141596/George-Osbornes-Spending-Review-is-based-on-already-obsolete-assumptions-about-the-world-economy.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    I find the concept of a student vote quite suspect. Even in this day when further education can frequently seem a life style choice I do not think that the number who were students in 2010 and will be in May 2015 is statistically significant.

    The student population has generations that are far faster than the population as a whole. This generation have never known anything other than £9K fees. It was like that when they were completing their exams at school and planning for university and has been like that throughout their studies.

    They may not like the debt they are being forced to take on, they may not approve of those who put the increase through but it is ancient history to them. Like the fact that Thatcher can still motivate some more than 20 years after she lost power there will be some whose vote is influenced by all this but they will be a small percentage of the student body.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    Uncle Ben's new salsa tastes sensationalsa. Just one dip and you'll flip. Aparently.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited December 2014

    Something that worries me around the student vote, and for that matter multiple home ownership, especially given the rise of postal voting, is the ease with which some might vote twice. Isn't it time multiple registration was made illegal?

    Is there any evidence that people do it in numbers worth worrying about? You'd think it would be fairly easy to detect, since there are records of who votes.
    Maybe, but I wonder if voting slips are compared between constituencies, your 2,3,5 however many postal votes could be in disparate parts of the country and would have to be consolidated somewhere and compared.

    I have never postal voted, does the form even include identifying marks that could be used to check for fraud, that would rather seem to go against secret balloting.

    This http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26520836 article certainly shows there are some serious concerns about rigging

    "And it's open to fraud on a scale that will make election rigging a possibility and indeed in some areas a probability."

    Furthermore, he suggested postal voting had not achieved its other stated objectives, such as increasing turnout or helping particularly vulnerable groups who might find voting difficult to do it more easily.

    "All it actually does is create a convenience for members of the public who would rather fill in something in their own home."
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Indigo said:


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Apparently he has the highest public satisfaction in his performance (47%) of any Tory chancellor since Geoff Howe in 1980, not sure it can last forever at this rate... Having said that the most popular chancellor in modern times is Dennis Healey (67%), so maybe popularity isn't the be-all and end-all!
    "Denis Healey cut total real-terms spending by 3.9pc in just one year in 1977-78, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility.

    Compared with Healey, Osborne is a softie. The OBR expects him to have cut spending by just 2.2pc by 2014-15, an astonishingly slow four-year reduction in total spending only made possible by anaesthetised bond markets. Healey, not Osborne, was the real axeman."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10141596/George-Osbornes-Spending-Review-is-based-on-already-obsolete-assumptions-about-the-world-economy.html
    Healey wielded the axe, but as a result Labour lost the next election and Healey himself failed to win the leadership against Foot.

    Doing the right thing is not very popular.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Australian speaker sets new record of ejecting 18 members of the house for disorderly behaviour http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-27/bishop-ejects-record-18-members/5923070
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Indigo said:


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Apparently he has the highest public satisfaction in his performance (47%) of any Tory chancellor since Geoff Howe in 1980, not sure it can last forever at this rate... Having said that the most popular chancellor in modern times is Dennis Healey (67%), so maybe popularity isn't the be-all and end-all!
    "Denis Healey cut total real-terms spending by 3.9pc in just one year in 1977-78, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility.

    Compared with Healey, Osborne is a softie. The OBR expects him to have cut spending by just 2.2pc by 2014-15, an astonishingly slow four-year reduction in total spending only made possible by anaesthetised bond markets. Healey, not Osborne, was the real axeman."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10141596/George-Osbornes-Spending-Review-is-based-on-already-obsolete-assumptions-about-the-world-economy.html
    Healey wielded the axe, but as a result Labour lost the next election and Healey himself failed to win the leadership against Foot.

    Doing the right thing is not very popular.
    I don't think you can attribute the 1979 election result to Mr Healey.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited December 2014

    Indigo said:


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Apparently he has the highest public satisfaction in his performance (47%) of any Tory chancellor since Geoff Howe in 1980, not sure it can last forever at this rate... Having said that the most popular chancellor in modern times is Dennis Healey (67%), so maybe popularity isn't the be-all and end-all!
    "Denis Healey cut total real-terms spending by 3.9pc in just one year in 1977-78, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility.

    Compared with Healey, Osborne is a softie. The OBR expects him to have cut spending by just 2.2pc by 2014-15, an astonishingly slow four-year reduction in total spending only made possible by anaesthetised bond markets. Healey, not Osborne, was the real axeman."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10141596/George-Osbornes-Spending-Review-is-based-on-already-obsolete-assumptions-about-the-world-economy.html
    Healey wielded the axe, but as a result Labour lost the next election and Healey himself failed to win the leadership against Foot.

    Doing the right thing is not very popular.
    The 75% top rate of tax that caused the "brain drain" in the 70s wasn't terribly smart. Neither was telling the right wing of the Labour party that they had to vote for him because "they had nowhere else to go" just before they formed the SDP. Cameron learned nothing of course because he did the same to the right of his party, with the same result.

    On the other hand he also said "I wouldn't object strongly to leaving the EU. The advantages of being members of the union are not obvious. The disadvantages are very obvious. I can see the case for leaving – the case for leaving is stronger than for staying in" so he has his better days ;-)
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited December 2014

    Doing the right thing is not very popular.

    Failing to do the right thing doesn't seem to be terribly popular either:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the Government’s record to date?" +30% / -55%

    "Do you think this coalition government is good or bad for people like you?" +21% / -51%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vibey5ti4y/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-281114.pdf
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    More whoppers from Cameron

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11264024/Nearly-1m-more-middle-earners-to-be-dragged-into-40p-tax-band-despite-David-Camerons-conference-pledge.html

    "Nearly one million more people will be paying the higher rate of income tax even if the Tories raise the 40p tax threshold to £50,000 by 2020, the Treasury has admitted.

    The forecast from HM Revenue and Customs shows 4.6 million people currently paying income tax at the 40 per cent rate, which starts at £41,900 a year.

    However, even if the threshold is raised to £50,000 a year, 5.5 million people will still be paying income tax at 40 per cent — 900,000 more than do at present. "

    So his conference pledge to saying he was going to increase the threshold to £50k because "40p rate was “only supposed to be paid by the most well-off people” yet teachers and police officers were being “dragged into it”." actually is worse than just indexing it by inflation, and more teachers and police officers will be paying 40% rather than less.
  • Morning all,

    Discussion of Healey's '76 crisis budget cuts got me thinking. What did he actually cut?

    A paper by Policy Exchange provides a list.

    It includes:

    Education (including school buildings).
    House building
    Overseas aid
    Defence
    Food subsidies (presumably some kind of hang-over from rationing (?)
    Various regional cash and support transfer schemes (echoes here of all this talk of reviving a Northern power house).

    For me what stands out is that schools education got hit. To the tune of £20m (1976 figures).

    The paper is at: http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/controlling spending and government deficits - nov 09.pdf
  • Indigo said:

    Something that worries me around the student vote, and for that matter multiple home ownership, especially given the rise of postal voting, is the ease with which some might vote twice. Isn't it time multiple registration was made illegal?

    Is there any evidence that people do it in numbers worth worrying about? You'd think it would be fairly easy to detect, since there are records of who votes.
    Maybe, but I wonder if voting slips are compared between constituencies, your 2,3,5 however many postal votes could be in disparate parts of the country and would have to be consolidated somewhere and compared.
    Lists are compiled of who votes ("marked registers") so you could make this comparison without needing to look at any actual votes, or connect with who they voted for. I don't know whether anybody ever actually does this, but I'd have thought if one of the parties thought this was happening on a large scale to their disadvantage they'd do this comparison themselves and make a big splash about it.
    Indigo said:


    I have never postal voted, does the form even include identifying marks that could be used to check for fraud, that would rather seem to go against secret balloting.

    As I understand it the process is that you have a ballot which has a number written on it which matches up with a list that you could use to trace that ballot to an individual voter, but the said list is only supposed to be available with a court order if the result is challenged. This is similar to the situation with in-person ballots, which are numbered and can be traced, but there's supposed to be a process to stop people correlating them without good reason.

    Postal votes also contain a signed form from the voter, which is supposed to be outside the envelope containing the actual ballot, so you can check whether the vote sent in really came from the person in question, and whether that person was supposed to be voting, in a separate process that doesn't allow you to find out who they voted for.
  • Pardon my ignorance but weren't most of Sheffield's two university students moved to the Sheffield Central when the Broomhill ward was allocated to Sheffield Central from the Hallam constituency.

    Broomhill is where the most of Uni Halls of residence are for students.

    IIRC Broomhill ward is over 50% students and Central ward is about 30%. Walkley and maybe Nether Edge wards in Sheffield Central constituency will also have significant student populations.

    In Hallam constituency there will be some privately renting students in Crookes ward and two Halls of Residence in Fulwood ward.

    Sheffield Hallam might have more university employees than university students.



  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    Yesterday I heard Tim Fallon on radio who I found impressive. On the basis that I'd be happy to vote for him/his party I thought they might start getting their voters back. This morning I heard Glegg and all I could hear was a Tory who if he came up against a real Tory in a Lib Dem Tory marginal I'd hope Clegg lost.

    I'm pretty sure that the Lib Dem problem is Clegg and while he stays around all those left of centre tactical voters who at one time tactically voted for him wouldn't do so any more
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    The tiny margin in the recent Ashcroft poll certainly doesn't give me confidence to invest at 1-3 unlike alot of other PBers.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Plenty of students on the Ecclesall Road and in Crookes btw.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    edited December 2014
    A big problem with Cameron's European speech is that there's no definite timescale. Assuming, the measures are even possible, it may not even begun to be implemented before the election.

    So if the voters approve of the measures, they have to trust that he means it, that it is possible, and that he will succeed, with the experience of his immigration numbers guarantee to depend upon.

    Labour's measures may be similar but they have even a bigger mountain to climb for credibility.

    The LDs have cornered the market in immigration-friendly voters and that will become their selling point. It may save a few deposits.
  • Pardon my ignorance but weren't most of Sheffield's two university students moved to the Sheffield Central when the Broomhill ward was allocated to Sheffield Central from the Hallam constituency.

    Broomhill is where the most of Uni Halls of residence are for students.

    IIRC Broomhill ward is over 50% students and Central ward is about 30%. Walkley and maybe Nether Edge wards in Sheffield Central constituency will also have significant student populations.

    In Hallam constituency there will be some privately renting students in Crookes ward and two Halls of Residence in Fulwood ward.

    Sheffield Hallam might have more university employees than university students.



    I've been saying for a while, Clegg's vote on Uni fees would be a vote winner amongst the uni staff living in Sheffield Hallam
  • Pulpstar said:

    The tiny margin in the recent Ashcroft poll certainly doesn't give me confidence to invest at 1-3 unlike alot of other PBers.

    Very sensible, you may as well chuck your money down the drain as bet on Labour in this seat 33-1 would be more realistic. Labour holds a very limited core vote in this very affluent seat and it's current appeal outside that is minor, Clegg will win and win easily.

    I wouldn't be swayed too much by Lordy's polls, my feeling from the East Midland polls produced is some will be quite a way off reality. The Labour vote looks inflated in most of them.

  • Pulpstar said:

    Plenty of students on the Ecclesall Road and in Crookes btw.

    Yeah but Eccleshall Road ain't in the constituency.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited December 2014


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Amazing (or not really) how the left have the ability to completely expunge all their responsibility for the deficit in the first place while complaining that the person trying to apply the brakes at the same time as repairing the existing and appalling damage is taking to long to do it?

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Roger said:

    Yesterday I heard Tim Fallon on radio who I found impressive. On the basis that I'd be happy to vote for him/his party I thought they might start getting their voters back. This morning I heard Glegg and all I could hear was a Tory who if he came up against a real Tory in a Lib Dem Tory marginal I'd hope Clegg lost.

    If the Tories squeeze back in, so Clegg and EdM both got the boot, how would Farron, who seems well to the Left of the LDs differentiate his party from a moderate/blairite Labour leader like Chuka Umunna ?

    Incidentally cracking photoshop job in today's Guardian
    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/membership-eb-images/13848454099/940.jpg
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited December 2014
    CD13 said:

    So if the voters approve of the measures, they have to trust that he means it, that it is possible, and that he will succeed, with the experience of his immigration numbers guarantee to depend upon.

    In an unusually perceptive moment for him Ed Miliband put his finger on the problem here: "People were not going to believe the Prime Minister’s new promises when he had broken the old ones."
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Morning all,

    Discussion of Healey's '76 crisis budget cuts got me thinking. What did he actually cut?

    A paper by Policy Exchange provides a list.

    It includes:

    Education (including school buildings).
    House building
    Overseas aid
    Defence
    Food subsidies (presumably some kind of hang-over from rationing (?)
    Various regional cash and support transfer schemes (echoes here of all this talk of reviving a Northern power house).

    For me what stands out is that schools education got hit. To the tune of £20m (1976 figures).

    The paper is at: http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/controlling spending and government deficits - nov 09.pdf

    Don't forget he also squeezed the rich until the "pips squeaked" resulting in the largest brain drain this country has ever known.
  • rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    I have posted several times that it is going to be more difficult for Lib Dem to hold their University seats because of a student backlash.So their would be stronger anti LD swings than UNS would predict in Bristol W,Cambridge,Manchester Withington and Leeds NW.This could reduce total LD seats held even further.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564


    I've been saying for a while, Clegg's vote on Uni fees would be a vote winner amongst the uni staff living in Sheffield Hallam

    Do you have evidence of that? My impression from canvassing big swathes of university-linked people is that most students, as DavidL says, are no longer much engaged for any party or cause and often not registered at all, but the staff are still extremely hostile to the LibDem university fees record, except when you get to the very top - vice-chancellors and their immediate associates.

    There are of course exceptions - both Labour and Tories have very dedicated teams of students touring the marginals. But they're the exception rather than the rule. (I've not seen a LibDem student team in action for years, or ever met a student Kipper, though presumably they exist.)
  • Good morning, everyone.

    I was surprised when Clegg only had a narrow lead (about 3 points, I think) in some constituency polling revealed recently. I still think he'll hold on, but it may be close.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Brent $67.53, West Texas Intermediate $64.72

  • I've been saying for a while, Clegg's vote on Uni fees would be a vote winner amongst the uni staff living in Sheffield Hallam

    Do you have evidence of that? My impression from canvassing big swathes of university-linked people is that most students, as DavidL says, are no longer much engaged for any party or cause and often not registered at all, but the staff are still extremely hostile to the LibDem university fees record, except when you get to the very top - vice-chancellors and their immediate associates.

    There are of course exceptions - both Labour and Tories have very dedicated teams of students touring the marginals. But they're the exception rather than the rule. (I've not seen a LibDem student team in action for years, or ever met a student Kipper, though presumably they exist.)
    Just anecdotal based evidence on our road wherein live quite a few senior university staff.

    Remember prior to the election Labour promised to do whatever the Browne review suggested, post election they reneged partly to shaft Clegg.

    Which annoyed a lot of the Uni staff, most of whom are Labour inclined.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    When talking about "credibility" let's look at who got closest to predicting where the deficit would be in 2015.

    Was it Labour or the Tories?

    Clue: it isn't the Tories.

    The Tory claim on economic credibility is lunacy - it attempts to invert reality.
  • Osborne is a failed chancellor who spins a good story.He takes money from one pot and pretends it is new money, he lives in a fool's paradise where a rising deficit is denied.Tax receipts are too low because of poor wages and tax increases are avoided because of potential electoral damage.
  • he lives in a fool's paradise where a rising deficit is denied

    I haven't been following this too closely, is the deficit rising?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Indigo said:

    Brent $67.53, West Texas Intermediate $64.72

    Sleazy, slippery oil on the slide !
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    edited December 2014
    Clegg cont..Firstlty I mean't Tim Farron not 'Fallon'.

    ......the problems with Nick Clegg....

    It's long been an enigma how this vote magnet could have turned into a vote repeller in two easy stages. I can still remember the original and it hasn't changed much.

    As the election approaches its obvious that a lot of party money will research why their support has tanked. I doubt the biggest reason is their connection with the Tories. Everyone knows they had no choice and anyway if it was true why aren't they attracting centre/centre right tactical voters?

    No I suspect the research will find the problem is Clegg himself. He's not centre left or cente right but a TORY. A nouveau Tory rather in the mould of Osborne but without the latters personal achievements. Infact exactly the kind of Tory who is unpalatable to anyone other than a Tory.

    I notice Tim Farron has resigned as party chairman. It's got to make sense to ditch Clegg now
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    he lives in a fool's paradise where a rising deficit is denied

    I haven't been following this too closely, is the deficit rising?
    Yes.
  • he lives in a fool's paradise where a rising deficit is denied

    I haven't been following this too closely, is the deficit rising?
    Yes.

    Without looking up the numbers so I might be slightly out - a few billion is now 'slightly out'.

    In 2013/14 the deficit was £97bn.

    After 7 months of 2014/15 its heading for about £102bn.

    Osborne's deficit prediction for 2014/15 in his 2014 Budget was £82bn.
    Osborne's deficit prediction for 2014/15 in his 2010 Budget was £37bn.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Let's sit back and imagine the faux outrage on here if these were Ukip tactics

    'Are things turning nasty in Thurrock?

    Politics is getting increasingly ugly. One example is a Tory leaflet in Thurrock, Essex, that calls Tim Aker, Ukip’s candidate there, ‘Timür Aker’ in what, to me, seems a clear attempt to remind voters of his Turkish roots.

    This appears to be a cheap tactic, seeing as Aker is known by all – and refers to himself – as Tim. It seems clear what these Tories were trying to do, and it is worthy of nothing but contempt. The Tories won’t beat Ukip – locally or nationally – by diving headfirst into the gutter'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2854566/Silence-Dave-biggest-immigration-gamble-yet.html
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    edited December 2014
    Roger said:

    Clegg cont..Firstlty I mean't Tim Farron not 'Fallon'.

    ......the problems with Nick Clegg....

    It's long been an enigma how this vote magnet could have turned into a vote repeller in two easy stages. I can still remember the original and it hasn't changed much.

    As the election approaches its obvious that a lot of party money will research why their support has tanked. I doubt the biggest reason is their connection with the Tories. Everyone knows they had no choice and anyway if it was true why aren't they attracting centre/centre right tactical voters?

    No I suspect the research will find the problem is Clegg himself. He's not centre left or cente right but a TORY. A nouveau Tory rather in the mould of Osborne but without the latters personal achievements. Infact exactly the kind of Tory who is unpalatable to anyone other than a Tory.

    I notice Tim Farron has resigned as party chairman. It's got to make sense to ditch Clegg now

    Roger, the party president is an elected post with a maximum 4 year holding period.

    Tim has had his 4 years and now it is time for Baroness Brinton (an ex Cambridge college burser) who fought Watford in 2005 & 2010.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Moses_ said:

    Morning all,

    Discussion of Healey's '76 crisis budget cuts got me thinking. What did he actually cut?

    A paper by Policy Exchange provides a list.

    It includes:

    Education (including school buildings).
    House building
    Overseas aid
    Defence
    Food subsidies (presumably some kind of hang-over from rationing (?)
    Various regional cash and support transfer schemes (echoes here of all this talk of reviving a Northern power house).

    For me what stands out is that schools education got hit. To the tune of £20m (1976 figures).

    The paper is at: http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/controlling spending and government deficits - nov 09.pdf

    Don't forget he also squeezed the rich until the "pips squeaked" resulting in the largest brain drain this country has ever known.
    Penal taxes on the rich led to net emigration; the simplest way to reverse our immigration flow is to crash the economy and squeeze the rich. Vote Ed and Ed!

    Indigo said:


    Osborne's plans go backwards - yet another year before he removes the deficit, now 2018-9.

    When will he go ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11264271/Osbornes-surplus-will-be-year-late-warns-EY.html

    Apparently he has the highest public satisfaction in his performance (47%) of any Tory chancellor since Geoff Howe in 1980, not sure it can last forever at this rate... Having said that the most popular chancellor in modern times is Dennis Healey (67%), so maybe popularity isn't the be-all and end-all!
    "Denis Healey cut total real-terms spending by 3.9pc in just one year in 1977-78, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility.

    Compared with Healey, Osborne is a softie. The OBR expects him to have cut spending by just 2.2pc by 2014-15, an astonishingly slow four-year reduction in total spending only made possible by anaesthetised bond markets. Healey, not Osborne, was the real axeman."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10141596/George-Osbornes-Spending-Review-is-based-on-already-obsolete-assumptions-about-the-world-economy.html
    Healey wielded the axe, but as a result Labour lost the next election and Healey himself failed to win the leadership against Foot.

    Doing the right thing is not very popular.
    I don't think you can attribute the 1979 election result to Mr Healey.

    Healey's squeeze was part responsible for the strikes and winter of discontent. The unions did not like the squeeze.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    edited December 2014
    Eagle

    "Just anecdotal based evidence on our road......."

    I think you've just pushed the taxi drivers and hairdressers off the top of the anecdotal league table
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Osborne is a failed chancellor who spins a good story.He takes money from one pot and pretends it is new money, he lives in a fool's paradise where a rising deficit is denied.Tax receipts are too low because of poor wages and tax increases are avoided because of potential electoral damage.

    I'm afraid the policies of Hollande do not result in the employment and growth levels of Osborne - disappointed as you must be you still need to see that these outcomes are related.
  • Roger said:

    Eagle

    "Just anecdotal based evidence on our road......."

    I think that's just pushed the taxi drivers and hairdressers off the top of the anecdotal league table

    Hey my anecdotes proved prescient during the Police Commissioner by election.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Quite a burst dam of bad news for Tories these last few days.

    Reality fast catching up with the fairyland fantasists.

    Osborne makes one last pitch to voters to accept his Disney-like dreamscape rather than what they see on the 10 o'clock news.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    Let's sit back and imagine the faux outrage on here if these were Ukip tactics

    'Are things turning nasty in Thurrock?

    Politics is getting increasingly ugly. One example is a Tory leaflet in Thurrock, Essex, that calls Tim Aker, Ukip’s candidate there, ‘Timür Aker’ in what, to me, seems a clear attempt to remind voters of his Turkish roots.

    This appears to be a cheap tactic, seeing as Aker is known by all – and refers to himself – as Tim. It seems clear what these Tories were trying to do, and it is worthy of nothing but contempt. The Tories won’t beat Ukip – locally or nationally – by diving headfirst into the gutter'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2854566/Silence-Dave-biggest-immigration-gamble-yet.html

    Gideon anyone?
  • Today is MegaPollingMonday.

    Four polls out today!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    And while her cohorts were playing on a rivals Turkish background and putting pictures of terrorists next to his name saying 'he isn't from round here', Jackie Doyle Price, Tory MP for Thurrock is saluting her fav comedian

    #imagineitwereukip #nicknick

    Jackie Doyle-Price (@JackieDP)
    29/11/2014 23:14
    Great show by @JimDOfficial no thanks to the Dartford crossing. A crusader against political correctness, I salute you
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Roger said:

    Clegg cont..Firstlty I mean't Tim Farron not 'Fallon'.

    ......the problems with Nick Clegg....

    It's long been an enigma how this vote magnet could have turned into a vote repeller in two easy stages. I can still remember the original and it hasn't changed much.

    As the election approaches its obvious that a lot of party money will research why their support has tanked. I doubt the biggest reason is their connection with the Tories. Everyone knows they had no choice and anyway if it was true why aren't they attracting centre/centre right tactical voters?

    No I suspect the research will find the problem is Clegg himself. He's not centre left or cente right but a TORY. A nouveau Tory rather in the mould of Osborne but without the latters personal achievements. Infact exactly the kind of Tory who is unpalatable to anyone other than a Tory.

    I notice Tim Farron has resigned as party chairman. It's got to make sense to ditch Clegg now

    Roger, the party president is an elected post with a maximum 4 year holding period.

    Tim has had his 4 years and now it is time for Baroness Brinton (an ex Cambridge college burser) who fought Watford in 2005 & 2010.
    Yep , Roger showing his lack of knowledge of politics in general and Lib Dem politics in particular .
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
  • The Timur business is childish and foolish. It might even backfire. Harder to attack a party as racist when you're banging on about how one of them has foreign ancestry.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    Verulamius

    "Roger, the party president is an elected post with a maximum 4 year holding period"

    Thanks for that. But I wonder why he was trawling the studios yesterday putting the boot into his coalition partners when he could have confined himself to wishing his successor every success?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    How do I donate to the site, I think a £50 donation is looking nailed on for me...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Third - like Clegg in Hallam..! : )

    "were you up for Clegg"

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited December 2014
    BenM said:

    When talking about "credibility" let's look at who got closest to predicting where the deficit would be in 2015.

    Was it Labour or the Tories?

    Clue: it isn't the Tories.

    The Tory claim on economic credibility is lunacy - it attempts to invert reality.


    I suppose he could have slashed all borrowing, spending etc etc on day 1 which is what you have demanded over the years he does NOT do. No more than that, you have constantly demanded spending is increased dramatically hence more borrowing higher interest costings and a further fall into the economic maelstrom that the Labour Party created initially in the first place. The left demanding "economic credibility". My god!! What a sick joke .....We just went through the fecking looking glass here.

    You can't hold both positions ( unless you are from the left and of course then you can). This coalition was handed over a runaway train and just for good measure Engine Driver Brown purposely smashed the brakes as he jumped from the office. The bystanders have voted against pretty much every measure that was needed since that day. Fortunately we have not hit the buffers or run out of track much to Labours disappointment but are on course to be the best economy in the G7 if not the world. With that comes prosperity , jobs and better times but this was never ever going to be a quick fix.

    It also shows that Ed Balls was wrong on just about every call he made over the last 5 years and the NHS is still here more than 24 hours later.

    Off to generate business now so Labour have more wealth to urinate up against the wall in May



  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2014

    The Timur business is childish and foolish. It might even backfire. Harder to attack a party as racist when you're banging on about how one of them has foreign ancestry.

    The leaflet has pictures of Abu hamza etc next to a story saying that aker isn't a local and referencing him as Timur

    http://www.yourthurrock.com/Tories-talking-Turkish-Tim/story-24827062-detail/story.html

    Subtle.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Nope. It was because ignorant assholes like you couldn't spell it right.

    In any case, it is hardly unusual for those in the acting profession to change their names.

    http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/budding-north-west-mep-louise-6370730
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ninoinoz said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Nope. It was because ignorant assholes like you couldn't spell it right.

    Yes I'm sure that was the reason.


  • Mr. Oz, Adrian Tchaikovsky (who's written the Shadows of the Apt series) changed his name to that, because the actual spelling of his surname (pronounced the same way) confounded people. Reminds me, I should see about buying book 3 at some point.

    Mr. Floater, I'd prefer to see Balls lose his seat.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Why does it always seem to be the Tories around here who delight in words like 'fuzzy wuzzy' and 'ting tong'?

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    Nothing I imagine, but like Timür Aker she knew she would be fighting an election against the party of Jim Davidson.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    I am glad to see that children of Dutch and Turkish parentage can integrate so well.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    Nothing I imagine, but like Timür Aker she knew she would be fighting an election against the party of Jim Davidson.
    Oh - I assumed it was to appeal to her target voters.

    The Kippers turning cybernatty trend continues. Most amusing.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    Nothing I imagine, but like Timür Aker she knew she would be fighting an election against the party of Jim Davidson.
    Oh - I assumed it was to appeal to her target voters.

    The Kippers turning cybernatty trend continues. Most amusing.
    Tories insulting people they want to switch back and vote for them next year is always good for a laugh as well.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    I am glad to see that children of Dutch and Turkish parentage can integrate so well.

    Should Partrick O'Flynn change his name to Peter Flynn ?

    Would protect him from anti Irish leaflets in Cambridge no ?

  • F1: Webber's ok after a crash:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motorsport/30271784

    Still no word on Button et al. regarding race seats next season.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    Nothing I imagine, but like Timür Aker she knew she would be fighting an election against the party of Jim Davidson.
    Oh - I assumed it was to appeal to her target voters.

    The Kippers turning cybernatty trend continues. Most amusing.
    I should imagine hell would freeze over before you voted Blue ever.
  • Indigo said:

    CD13 said:

    So if the voters approve of the measures, they have to trust that he means it, that it is possible, and that he will succeed, with the experience of his immigration numbers guarantee to depend upon.

    In an unusually perceptive moment for him Ed Miliband put his finger on the problem here: "People were not going to believe the Prime Minister’s new promises when he had broken the old ones."
    Agreed. This could be the point that loses Cameron the election. "No if's no but's...."
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    Nope. She was a former Conservative.

    http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/budding-north-west-mep-louise-6370730

    What's getting me is that what was apparently fine for a Conservative to do and for actors too numerous to mention to do suddenly becomes a heinous crime when a Kipper does it.

    Double standards doesn't come close to describing it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    Indigo

    "Incidentally cracking photoshop job in today's Guardian"

    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/membership-eb-images/13848454099/940.jpg

    That could be just what Labour are looking for to kick off their campaign!
  • @PopulusPolls: Latest Populus VI: Lab 35 (-2), Con 32 (=), LD 9 (=), UKIP 14 (=), Oth 10 (+2). Tables here http://t.co/RjTfNv9XJE
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Results of the YG Co op survey (after the Flowers debacle)

    No much support for continued funding of the Co op party

    http://www.haveyoursay.coop/summary/hys-summary.pdf

    “The Co-operative should first use its money to lower its
    prices before it considers providing funding for a
    political party”

    73 % slightly/strongly agree
    26 % DK
    6% Strongly/slightly disagree

    6%! support funding Balls from Co op profits. Surely unsustainable.
  • Mr. Roger, disagree. It'll appeal to leftists who'd never vote for Cameron anyway, but suggesting he's like Thatcher might make those on the right likelier to support him.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    I am glad to see that children of Dutch and Turkish parentage can integrate so well.

    Should Partrick O'Flynn change his name to Peter Flynn ?

    Would protect him from anti Irish leaflets in Cambridge no ?

    Oh has he changed it to Partrick then?

    Tim Aker hasn't changed his name by the way, so your unfunny meme is also incorrect
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    Nothing I imagine, but like Timür Aker she knew she would be fighting an election against the party of Jim Davidson.
    Oh - I assumed it was to appeal to her target voters.

    The Kippers turning cybernatty trend continues. Most amusing.
    I should imagine hell would freeze over before you voted Blue ever.
    Personally I voted Blue in every election since 1983 which was my first, a combination of continued dissembling and promising things that can't be delivered, a leadership far more interested in the Guardian vote is won't get, than the traditional Tory vote is had to try to lose, and the brainless abuse of a lot of its activists who seem to be following labours model of running around shouting "racist" at everyone is making it unlikely I will continue to vote for them.

    Cameroons truly are the heirs to the Blairites, they lie through their teeth to the voters, check, they alienate their core vote, check, and the try and close down uncomfortable debates by screaming "racist", which even Labour seem to have moved on from, sadly, check.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    Nothing I imagine, but like Timür Aker she knew she would be fighting an election against the party of Jim Davidson.
    Oh - I assumed it was to appeal to her target voters.

    The Kippers turning cybernatty trend continues. Most amusing.
    Tories insulting people they want to switch back and vote for them next year is always good for a laugh as well.
    Tories racially insulting people they want to switch back and vote for them next year is always good for a laugh as well.

    Fixed it for you, though I don't find such 'humour' mirth inducing.

    Double standards from LibLabCon. Again.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    isam said:

    The Timur business is childish and foolish. It might even backfire. Harder to attack a party as racist when you're banging on about how one of them has foreign ancestry.

    The leaflet has pictures of Abu hamza etc next to a story saying that aker isn't a local and referencing him as Timur

    http://www.yourthurrock.com/Tories-talking-Turkish-Tim/story-24827062-detail/story.html

    Subtle.
    Isn't Boris Johnson a Turk ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Tim Montgomerie ن (@montie)
    30/11/2014 14:42
    Well said @JGForsyth. Tory leaflet attack on @Tim_Aker indefensible dailymail.co.uk/debate/article… pic.twitter.com/SseW6xDq87

    Why did Kipper Louise van de Bours change her name ?

    To make it sound less fuzzy wuzzy of courses.
    Maybe she thought it would make her less of a target for Tory election leaflets ?

    What was she ashamed of ?
    I am glad to see that children of Dutch and Turkish parentage can integrate so well.

    Should Partrick O'Flynn change his name to Peter Flynn ?

    Would protect him from anti Irish leaflets in Cambridge no ?


    Tim Aker hasn't changed his name by the way, so your unfunny meme is also incorrect
    Has Louise Vanden Plas changed hers back ?

    Is this sanctimonious shrieking Monday ?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Having seen her performances on QT, I would have thought that Louise Bores would be a better Anglicisation of her name. Alternatively Louise Boers if she wants to appeal to the old Commonwealth.
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