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  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    My second worst chat up line.

    Your eyes are like spanners. Every time you look at me, my nuts tighten.

    Yeah, thinking about it, it's a miracle I'm not assaulted more often.

    Why not try:

    I need mothering and you look old enough
    I knew someone who used to say 'I'm Joe Bloggs, will you sleep with me?' 99 times out of a hundred (on reflection, as this was Newcastle that may be a bit high) they said 'no' - he just said it often enough.....

    The old joke:

    "What's your name?" "Go away".

    "Fancy a drink?" "No"

    "Do you want to dance then?" "No"

    "I s'pose a shag's out of the question, then?"


    The quote is actually from the 80's movie " Porkies " when the girls were lined up on one side of the dance venue and the boys on the other.

    After the boy asked very politely for a dance the girl looked him up and down with distaste said

    "hell no"

    The boys line was then "

    Ok........ I suppose a blow job is out of the question then"

    Classic

    Brilliant movie as were the sequels.
    Haven't seen the film. (Hadn't even heard of it until 10 minutes ago.) Don't need to see it now.


    Why?
    There were really some great one liners in this besides that one it was a movie that was a high school " Animal house" . I presume you heard of that?
    Not really. Not my sort of thing. I'm miles away from teen frat movies, I'm afraid.

  • Lines that I have used

    1) Would you like a drink or would you rather have the money instead ?

    2) Do you wash your knickers in windolene because I can see myself in them.

    3) Have you got an Yorkshire in you ? No, well would you like some ?

    4) Are you from Venus because your [moderated] is out of this world ?

    5) Do you know difference between a glass of champagne and a penis? No, you say, in that case would you like to go for a drink with me.

    You can 'open' with virtually any line if you do it with confidence and a sense of fun. My best man met his fiancé in a nightclub. I gave him a dare, so his opening gambit was 'excuse me' followed by asking her if she preferred Voyager or Deep Space Nine*

    *It did turn out that she was a Trekkie too, but these are details.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg

    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Smarmeron said:

    @philiph
    What's the usual starting salary for a someone with degree?

    Not much these days. Too many degrees.

    Teachers?

    But I don't know the numbers
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    JackW said:

    PBers should not take advantage for pecuniary advantage of @MikeK and his dewy eyed Faragist enthusiasm.

    Well, not too much anyway ....

    Especially when there has been a queue!!

  • "Cyclefree

    Have Vanilla-emailed you.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Afternoon all and it seems clear that dodgy pollsters could improve their reputations and accuracy simply by getting together a few PB members for sampling instead of wasting £10,000s conducting polls which bear no similarity to reality.
  • Sunil Prasannan ‏@Sunil_P2
    #UKIP first past the post in aggregate vote at Westminster by-elections in 2014: UKIP 38%, Con 28, Lab 25, Grn/LD 3.
    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/537299284639899649



  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    My second worst chat up line.

    Your eyes are like spanners. Every time you look at me, my nuts tighten.

    Yeah, thinking about it, it's a miracle I'm not assaulted more often.

    Why not try:

    I need mothering and you look old enough
    I knew someone who used to say 'I'm Joe Bloggs, will you sleep with me?' 99 times out of a hundred (on reflection, as this was Newcastle that may be a bit high) they said 'no' - he just said it often enough.....

    The old joke:

    "What's your name?" "Go away".

    "Fancy a drink?" "No"

    "Do you want to dance then?" "No"

    "I s'pose a shag's out of the question, then?"


    The quote is actually from the 80's movie " Porkies " when the girls were lined up on one side of the dance venue and the boys on the other.

    After the boy asked very politely for a dance the girl looked him up and down with distaste said

    "hell no"

    The boys line was then "

    Ok........ I suppose a blow job is out of the question then"

    Classic

    Brilliant movie as were the sequels.
    Haven't seen the film. (Hadn't even heard of it until 10 minutes ago.) Don't need to see it now.


    Why?
    There were really some great one liners in this besides that one it was a movie that was a high school " Animal house" . I presume you heard of that?
    Not really. Not my sort of thing. I'm miles away from teen frat movies, I'm afraid.

    Fair enough.

    I actually saw them when they came out in the cinema so please do not misunderstand the comment or demean me in that way I am now in my 50's

    I still remember some of the great one liners even now with quiet amusement. Nowadays if you are not sweeping the empty shell cases of the bullets off the floor and wiping the gore of the walls no one is happy.

    I guess a sense of humour required I guess something you don't obviously have.

    Ends.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    "Cyclefree

    Have Vanilla-emailed you.

    OK thanks.

    Will check later.



  • Interesting VoxPop among Cabbies on R4 about Mellor - hostile to the Cabbie who shouldn't have recorded it - 'the customer is always right'......
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.



    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    Lines that I have used

    1) Would you like a drink or would you rather have the money instead ?

    2) Do you wash your knickers in windolene because I can see myself in them.

    3) Have you got an Yorkshire in you ? No, well would you like some ?

    4) Are you from Venus because your [moderated] is out of this world ?

    5) Do you know difference between a glass of champagne and a penis? No, you say, in that case would you like to go for a drink with me.

    You can 'open' with virtually any line if you do it with confidence and a sense of fun. My best man met his fiancé in a nightclub. I gave him a dare, so his opening gambit was 'excuse me' followed by asking her if she preferred Voyager or Deep Space Nine*

    *It did turn out that she was a Trekkie too, but these are details.
    That was a pretty big gamble!
  • Cyclefree said:

    Something doesn't smell right to me about the Facebook story. It feels like a "look squirrel" story.

    "I could murder a G&T"........terrorist?

    I think it is 'rolling the pitch' for the latest snooping security measures.....
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited November 2014
    Interesting philological note.

    Blow jobs have nothing to do with blowing, the term originating from archaic prostitutes' slang from "below job". Despite this, the German word for a blow job is ein Blasen which is a borrowing from English via a noun-infinitive meaning "a blow".

    I've never attempted to pull by explaining all this. I just thought it was interesting.
  • JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.



    Regrettably these are 2-seaters, but yes, very nice.
  • RobC said:

    The easiest way to tax food is to make it subject to the lower 5% VAT rate (used for domestic electricity etc) which could be applied to most items or the standard 20% VAT rate for the unhealthy stuff.

    Chocolate, etc is already taxed at 20%.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    Cyclefree said:

    Something doesn't smell right to me about the Facebook story. It feels like a "look squirrel" story.

    "I could murder a G&T"........terrorist?

    I think it is 'rolling the pitch' for the latest snooping security measures.....
    What kind of terrorist doesn't use code words?

    Probably the ones we can catch, actually....
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited November 2014
    philiph said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @philiph
    What's the usual starting salary for a someone with degree?

    Not much these days. Too many degrees.

    Teachers?

    But I don't know the numbers
    Cambridge University and Imperial College average starting salaries are £42k at the moment.

    They're kept quite busy at Cambridge:
    http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2014/11/24/cambridges-best-bums-2014-vote-now/
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I've never attempted to pull by explaining all this.''

    no sh*t, Sherlock
  • Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:


    Anybody who got within 5% of the right answer can feel some pride in their effort. (That me, but only just!).

    Don't want to blow my own trumpet, but, since you ask...1.26%

    The main thing is that I beat Shadsy. Not often one can say that!

    At 6.60% I came just 0.66% outside the correct total, which wasn't bad, even if I say so myself.

    Now watch my predicted total of +70 seats for UKIP at the GE take shape.
    You never confirmed terms on our spread bet.

    You still up for it, or have you gone frit?
    This was the bet that I agreed to, and still agree to it:
    Do you want to frame a bet on that: let's say a central point of 18% [mid way between Survation's 24% and the top end of my range] and any figure up to £5 per point on the UKIP vote share.

    The fact was that I agreed to it, but you didn't confirm.
    Our confirmation posts must have crossed then.

    Central point of 18%
    Rounded to the nearest full percentage point
    £5 per point
    Max gain/loss capped at £50
    I get paid for each pp below 18% and you get paid for each pp above 18%

    Ok?

    @peter_the_punter for confirmation
    Damn, amidst the confusion I could have had this bet after all!
  • Blow jobs have nothing to do with blowing, the term originating from archaic prostitutes' slang from "below job".

    Another little gem to (not) drop into dinner party conversation.....not quite up there with 'changing trains at Bakers Street'......but another mystery resolved.....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034

    philiph said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @philiph
    What's the usual starting salary for a someone with degree?

    Not much these days. Too many degrees.

    Teachers?

    But I don't know the numbers
    Cambridge University and Imperial College average starting salaries are £42k at the moment.

    I should have gone into the private sector..... my poor bank balance.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Afternoon all and it seems clear that dodgy pollsters could improve their reputations and accuracy simply by getting together a few PB members for sampling instead of wasting £10,000s conducting polls which bear no similarity to reality.

    I'd happily entertain private viewings of my ARSE for around a fifth of the price .... say 2,000 guineas. An absolute bargain.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Chaps: I hate to break this to you but a chat up line only works if she is already interested in you.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,823
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    FPPT @niminoz

    My "rather privileged view of the world" is the British citizenship is an honour and a privilege, and that all people who have that status should have the same rights. However, with those rights come duties and obligations.

    I am comfortable with the idea of people having a safe harbour so that they do not need to undertake positive actions which are against their belief system. But, fundamentally, if you want to be part of our society you need to acknowledge the supremacy of the secular law in the UK - and that it applies equally to all citizens. You can't have a situation whereby you say "I am a Catholic/Muslim/Pastafarian/whatever: this law does not apply to me" - if you want to take advantage of the safe harbour then you need to provide people with an alternative way to exercise their rights under the law.

    * steps back and takes tissue from pocket, ready to wipe spittle from face *

    Where does this leave you with being forced to make gay wedding cakes and the like?

    I don't know the specific of the N.Irish case, so not commenting on that. In general, though:

    - Bakers can't refuse to serve gay people per se
    - They should have to treat people equally regardless of orientation (eg if decorating a cake with the message "I like sex" is offensive then it is offensive for both gays and straight people)
    - If they find a message against their religious beliefs then they need to have a system in place to ensure the customer can get served. Eg "I don't want to make a cake like that, but here is the number of Joe the Baker in the next town and he'd be happy to make it for you)
    -Obviously
    -I feel you covered this in your first
    -Whilst nice, I don't see how enforcing a referral service of this nature can be satisfactory to either party. It would still infringe the rights of the baker, without satisfying the desire for equality of the bakee.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034
    Cyclefree said:

    Chaps: I hate to break this to you but a chat up line only works if she is already interested in you.

    So you mean there's no hope? :(
  • Cyclefree said:

    Chaps: I hate to break this to you but a chat up line only works if she is already interested in you.

    Well, this depends on whether the point of the line is to make progress or amuse your mates. Chat up lines are surely conceived to do the latter.

    Gems such as "Are your legs tired? They should be, you've been running through my mind" and "This face leaves in five minutes, be on it" cannot seriously be expected to do anything except entertain the lads.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...

    Indeed.

    I recall some entertaining times. Our Dart had a servo added to the brakes to ensure a life affirming drive !! .... The V8 engine was a corker though.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    My second worst chat up line.

    Your eyes are like spanners. Every time you look at me, my nuts tighten.

    Yeah, thinking about it, it's a miracle I'm not assaulted more often.

    Why not try:

    I need mothering and you look old enough
    I knew someone who used to say 'I'm Joe Bloggs, will you sleep with me?' 99 times out of a hundred (on reflection, as this was Newcastle that may be a bit high) they said 'no' - he just said it often enough.....

    The old joke:

    "What's your name?" "Go away".

    "Fancy a drink?" "No"

    "Do you want to dance then?" "No"

    "I s'pose a shag's out of the question, then?"


    The quote is actually from the 80's movie " Porkies " when the girls were lined up on one side of the dance venue and the boys on the other.

    After the boy asked very politely for a dance the girl looked him up and down with distaste said

    "hell no"

    The boys line was then "

    Ok........ I suppose a blow job is out of the question then"

    Classic

    Brilliant movie as were the sequels.
    Haven't seen the film. (Hadn't even heard of it until 10 minutes ago.) Don't need to see it now.


    Why?
    There were really some great one liners in this besides that one it was a movie that was a high school " Animal house" . I presume you heard of that?
    Not really. Not my sort of thing. I'm miles away from teen frat movies, I'm afraid.

    Fair enough.

    I actually saw them when they came out in the cinema so please do not misunderstand the comment or demean me in that way I am now in my 50's

    I still remember some of the great one liners even now with quiet amusement. Nowadays if you are not sweeping the empty shell cases of the bullets off the floor and wiping the gore of the walls no one is happy.

    I guess a sense of humour required I guess something you don't obviously have.

    Ends.

    Whoa there!!! I don't have a sense of humour because I don't like teen movies??? What cobblers is this? A load of highly questionable assumptions there. I hate gory films BTW.

    I didn't see them then and they don't appeal to me now. That's all.

    Whether I have a sense of humour is for my family and friends to judge. Not something I parade on this forum.
  • Interesting VoxPop among Cabbies on R4 about Mellor - hostile to the Cabbie who shouldn't have recorded it - 'the customer is always right'......

    Good to know, Carlotta, but doesn't surprise me.

    Mellor had left a restaurant, so there's a fair chance he'd had a few. Drink should never be an excuse for loutish behaviour but if he was unreasonably rude it seems to me the right recourse for the cabbie was either to throw him out of the cab, or contact him privately afterwards and ask for an apology.

    Publicising the matter with the aid of a covert recording seems to me sneaky, to say the least.
  • RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...

    Be quick. There are not many of the true, true classics left:
    https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/mg_maestro_turbo
    https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/austin_allegro
    https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/talbot_solara_gl
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Have just caught up with much of this thread. What on earth is Mike K on? Predicting 70+ UKIP MPs next May and offering bets to fellow PBers on that basis.

    What is it they say about a fool and his money...............

    Good luck with your philanthropic project Mike. I hope you have deep pockets.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited November 2014

    Have just caught up with much of this thread. What on earth is Mike K on? Predicting 70+ UKIP MPs next May and offering bets to fellow PBers on that basis.

    What is it they say about a fool and his money...............

    You are calling *other* posters out for delusional predictions of success for their own party? Seriously?

    Willing to bet on Scottish Tory gains next year?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    BBC has namerd the popular service which carried the messages re Lee Rigby. Should that service be boycotted?

    If they have broken the law, they should be prosecuted.

    If they have not broken the law, and their action is wrong, the law should be changed.

    I don't think its Facebook's role (or any other service provider's) to police the communication of its users.

    Lee Rigby's uncle very dignified and measured in his response.
    The latter point, yes I thought so to. The interview that I heard was interesting: the journalist clearly had a story in mind and the poor chap didn't give the correct answers. So we had the same question asked in a variety of ways (MI5 and HMG ****** up didn't they) rather than listening to what was bring said. Not a shining career moment for that journalist.
  • RobD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Chaps: I hate to break this to you but a chat up line only works if she is already interested in you.

    So you mean there's no hope? :(
    "So you're telling me there's a chance?
    .....YEAHHHHH!" - Jim Carrey in "Dumb and Dumber"
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...

    Citroen?
  • RobCRobC Posts: 398
    edited November 2014

    RobC said:

    The easiest way to tax food is to make it subject to the lower 5% VAT rate (used for domestic electricity etc) which could be applied to most items or the standard 20% VAT rate for the unhealthy stuff.

    Chocolate, etc is already taxed at 20%.
    Yes it is and of course any move like this brings up memories of the pasty tax. However many EU countries add VAT at a lower rate to food generally.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:


    Anybody who got within 5% of the right answer can feel some pride in their effort. (That me, but only just!).

    Don't want to blow my own trumpet, but, since you ask...1.26%

    The main thing is that I beat Shadsy. Not often one can say that!

    At 6.60% I came just 0.66% outside the correct total, which wasn't bad, even if I say so myself.

    Now watch my predicted total of +70 seats for UKIP at the GE take shape.
    You never confirmed terms on our spread bet.

    You still up for it, or have you gone frit?
    This was the bet that I agreed to, and still agree to it:
    Do you want to frame a bet on that: let's say a central point of 18% [mid way between Survation's 24% and the top end of my range] and any figure up to £5 per point on the UKIP vote share.

    The fact was that I agreed to it, but you didn't confirm.
    Our confirmation posts must have crossed then.

    Central point of 18%
    Rounded to the nearest full percentage point
    £5 per point
    Max gain/loss capped at £50
    I get paid for each pp below 18% and you get paid for each pp above 18%

    Ok?

    @peter_the_punter for confirmation
    Yea OK, for the umpteen time even though I think the mid point was 17.5% but I'll let that pass. All Cheques pass through PtP as usual.

    And for those who want a the same bet with me, no deal. Not because I think I won't win but I do not want to make a book on this.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...
    Citroen?

    Nein Danke!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...
    Citroen?
    Nein Danke!

    NSU Ro 80

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...
    Citroen?
    Nein Danke!
    NSU Ro 80



    No, not that odd thing...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341
    edited November 2014
    [edited]
    Carnyx said:

    felix said:

    Carnyx said:

    Socrates said:

    Mr. Owls, the private sector is also not seeing pay rises. The difference is that NHS staff have guaranteed jobs and pensions, and those pensions are funded by the private sector workers also have to try and fund their own pensions.

    NHS staff do great work. That doesn't mean money we don't have should be flung their way whenever they decide they should be paid more.

    [As a related aside, we really should be doing more to tackle the deficit].

    The ratio of pensions & benefits in the public sector should be benchmarked
    It was, and the pay then downgraded to allow for pensions and benefits.

    Not sure what you mean there. I have a public sector pension (since 2009) it is way better than anything achievable in the private sector. The recent changes are less good but still much better than in the private sector.
    This was in 1993, admittedly, when I looked into getting a job in the civil service. The salary was set by a pay review board which looked at comparable private sector jobs and then deducted a proportion to allow for the public sector pension. At that time, the civil service pension did not have a contributory element (other than a small element for surviving spouse pension), and the deduction was to give the effect as of paying a final salary scheme in a private sector company, or indeed in some public sector schemes,


    As far as I can recall, that the link with private sector pay was broken to suit the government of the day who then imposed a contributory element to the pension scheme. So, in effect, the civil servants were then paying something approaching twice over for their pension.

    @Bigjohnowls :
    Funny you mention Pay Review Boards.

    The nhs one recomended a 1% increase for all NHS staff.

    Scotland and Wales have implemented it.

    In England vacancy and Agency spend is bankrupting the English NHS at the same time as standards fall.


    @Carnyx :

    As noted by other PBers, personal allowance was increased. But so too was NI.

    Another point: MSPs unanimously agreed to give themselves 1% pay increase, same as other public sector workers.

    Not sure what happened in Westminster or Caerdydd?

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Interesting piece IMO:

    "The slow suicide of Britain’s two party system. Only AV might have saved it.":

    http://thinkingliberal.co.uk/?p=1428
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...
    Citroen?
    Nein Danke!

    Vorsprung durch Technik?
  • Cyclefree said:

    Chaps: I hate to break this to you but a chat up line only works if she is already interested in you.

    Well, this depends on whether the point of the line is to make progress or amuse your mates. Chat up lines are surely conceived to do the latter.

    Gems such as "Are your legs tired? They should be, you've been running through my mind" and "This face leaves in five minutes, be on it" cannot seriously be expected to do anything except entertain the lads.
    How about

    'would you like to dance'

    'Yes'

    'Go on then'

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP have been at 15% or higher in 16 of the most recent 20 polls:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2014
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting piece IMO:

    "The slow suicide of Britain’s two party system. Only AV might have saved it.":

    http://thinkingliberal.co.uk/?p=1428

    I said much the same 3.5 years ago...
  • Silly games Labour play on the NHS.

    In 2009 the NHS spent over £300m on outside management consultants.
    In January, Labour' Liz Kendall complained that in the first 6 months of 2013 £40m was spent on the same....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    RobD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Chaps: I hate to break this to you but a chat up line only works if she is already interested in you.

    So you mean there's no hope? :(
    Well, making her laugh is a start. With you, obviously. Rather than at you.

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    JackW said:

    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    O/T

    Does anyone know of a way of finding out how long a web page has been up unaltered?

    I am interested in a certain Aston Martin, which I think the seller has had on their web page at least a month. Is there any way - wayback machine or whatever - to look back and see how long they've been trying to sell it for?

    Trouble with waybackmachine is that it doesn't snapshot a page regularly. You could try the cache on google search. If I remember correctly, it say what time and date the cache was saved.
    Thanks.

    Having with deep sorrow parted with a beautiful but hopelessly unreliable Stag, I have been looking at 4-seater classic convertibles. All there is - when you eliminate second-hand BMWs that wanker BMW owners consider classics because their tiny minds and enormous egos can;t handle the idea that what they are selling is a ratty old second-hand car - is a late-run XJS or a DB7. The latter is more a second hand car than a classic but on the other hand an Aston's an Aston. Of course one doesn't want to pay up a lot if one can avoid....
    Mercedes SL. Mmmm. Sigh. I wish...

    [some were 4-seaters, no?]
    Jensen Interceptor.
    Agree, but convertibles in good condition are well out of my budget ( about £30k). For that money, I might get a ratty coupé.


    NO NO NO.

    You want to buy a car made twenty years ago - and that is yet unfashionable.

    Mercedes 500/600 SL http://tinyurl.com/ptkb854
    Suffers from the "it's not a classic, it's just a second-hand car" syndrome.

    The thing about German convertibles is that really someone else should drive it while I stand up in the back. The only open-top 4-seater German car I'd really consider would be this classic:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3135/2895342321_5e1eb1ebea.jpg
    Have you considered a Daimler Dart ?

    £30K would buy a fine example of an excellent British sports car. Back in the day my family owned one - great fun.

    Funnily enough, I was watching a restoration project on one of them last night. Very rare, parts like hen's teeth, steers like lorry, brakes crap. Ugly looking thing, really.

    I've got my eye on a car which is a design icon. Not many good ones about, so I'll keep it under my hat for the time being, until I acquire one...
    Citroen?
    Nein Danke!
    Vorsprung durch Technik?

    No, and no more clues.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited November 2014

    Why do you think agency costs paid by the NHS have gone up 10 fold since 2010 as a matter of interest?

    2008/9 Agency costs were £1.3bn under Labour. Are they now £13bn?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    AndyJS said:

    UKIP have been at 15% or higher in 16 of the most recent 20 polls:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2014

    There's a piece on ConHome that says they're averaging 27% in council by-elections.

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/11/daniel-regan-ukip-is-spreading-right-across-the-country.html

    Does anyone here have access to the Rallings and Thrasher council by-election poll/prediction?
  • MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:


    Anybody who got within 5% of the right answer can feel some pride in their effort. (That me, but only just!).

    Don't want to blow my own trumpet, but, since you ask...1.26%

    The main thing is that I beat Shadsy. Not often one can say that!

    At 6.60% I came just 0.66% outside the correct total, which wasn't bad, even if I say so myself.

    Now watch my predicted total of +70 seats for UKIP at the GE take shape.
    You never confirmed terms on our spread bet.

    You still up for it, or have you gone frit?
    This was the bet that I agreed to, and still agree to it:
    Do you want to frame a bet on that: let's say a central point of 18% [mid way between Survation's 24% and the top end of my range] and any figure up to £5 per point on the UKIP vote share.

    The fact was that I agreed to it, but you didn't confirm.
    Our confirmation posts must have crossed then.

    Central point of 18%
    Rounded to the nearest full percentage point
    £5 per point
    Max gain/loss capped at £50
    I get paid for each pp below 18% and you get paid for each pp above 18%

    Ok?

    @peter_the_punter for confirmation
    Yea OK, for the umpteen time even though I think the mid point was 17.5% but I'll let that pass. All Cheques pass through PtP as usual.

    And for those who want a the same bet with me, no deal. Not because I think I won't win but I do not want to make a book on this.
    Mike, glad for you that your losses per punter are capped at £50.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    How about

    'would you like to dance'

    'Yes'

    'Go on then'

    Ladies are susceptible to compliments. As a lad I thought it was possible to overdo them but over the years I've come to realise the truth.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,591

    philiph said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @philiph
    What's the usual starting salary for a someone with degree?

    Not much these days. Too many degrees.

    Teachers?

    But I don't know the numbers
    Cambridge University and Imperial College average starting salaries are £42k at the moment.

    They're kept quite busy at Cambridge:
    http://cambridge.tab.co.uk/2014/11/24/cambridges-best-bums-2014-vote-now/
    Do you have a source or did you just make that up - no way of god's green earth the figure is that high.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10340183/Students-paid-10000-more-after-leaving-top-universities.html
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    taffys said:

    How about

    'would you like to dance'

    'Yes'

    'Go on then'

    Ladies are susceptible to compliments. As a lad I thought it was possible to overdo them but over the years I've come to realise the truth.

    If only men realised that all (all!) that is needed is to treat women well and make them feel good.

    Oh - and avoid bad breath, long/dirty fingernails, greasy hair, leering, talking endlessly about yourself and thinking you're God's gift.

    There. Can I have my own TV slot now?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034
    Cyclefree said:

    taffys said:

    How about

    'would you like to dance'

    'Yes'

    'Go on then'

    Ladies are susceptible to compliments. As a lad I thought it was possible to overdo them but over the years I've come to realise the truth.

    If only men realised that all (all!) that is needed is to treat women well and make them feel good.

    Oh - and avoid bad breath, long/dirty fingernails, greasy hair, leering, talking endlessly about yourself and thinking you're God's gift.

    There. Can I have my own TV slot now?

    That's 8 things... way too many :')
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Cyclefree said:

    If only men realised that all (all!) that is needed is to treat women well and make them feel good.

    Yes, but we are not seen as people, more like "targets"
    Cyclefree said:

    Oh - and avoid bad breath, long/dirty fingernails, greasy hair, leering, talking endlessly about yourself and thinking you're God's gift.

    That means that most of them would have to stop talking about their favourite subject.....

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Tomorrows Guardian front page not going to make Ed happy

    "Labours assault on private schools"

    Oh dear "assault" and that's the Guardian pulling punches which the others don't do.

    First white van man now private schools. Is there no one safe?

    #saveEd#WeloveEd

  • Moses_ said:

    Tomorrows Guardian front page not going to make Ed happy

    "Labours assault on private schools"

    Oh dear "assault" and that's the Guardian pulling punches which the others don't do.

    First white van man now private schools. Is there no one safe?

    #saveEd#WeloveEd


    Well the Guardian is hardly unbiased.. Most of its Directors and senior management went to fee paying schools.. It's called social immobility...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,889
    Labour has 37% middle class support in London and only 28% of working class voters in the South backing it, reinforcing how it has become a party of the public sector and intelligentsia and minorities
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4277187.ece
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    My second worst chat up line.

    Your eyes are like spanners. Every time you look at me, my nuts tighten.

    Yeah, thinking about it, it's a miracle I'm not assaulted more often.

    Why not try:

    I need mothering and you look old enough
    I knew someone who used to say 'I'm Joe Bloggs, will you sleep with me?' 99 times out of a hundred (on reflection, as this was Newcastle that may be a bit high) they said 'no' - he just said it often enough.....

    The old joke:

    "What's your name?" "Go away".

    "Fancy a drink?" "No"

    "Do you want to dance then?" "No"

    "I s'pose a shag's out of the question, then?"


    The quote is actually from the 80's movie " Porkies " when the girls were lined up on one side of the dance venue and the boys on the other.

    After the boy asked very politely for a dance the girl looked him up and down with distaste said

    "hell no"

    The boys line was then "

    Ok........ I suppose a blow job is out of the question then"

    Classic

    Brilliant movie as were the sequels.
    Haven't seen the film. (Hadn't even heard of it until 10 minutes ago.) Don't need to see it now.


    Why?
    There were really some great one liners in this besides that one it was a movie that was a high school " Animal house" . I presume you heard of that?
    Not really. Not my sort of thing. I'm miles away from teen frat movies, I'm afraid.

    Fair enough.

    I actually saw them when they came out in the cinema so please do not misunderstand the comment or demean me in that way I am now in my 50's

    I still remember some of the great one liners even now with quiet amusement. Nowadays if you are not sweeping the empty shell cases of the bullets off the floor and wiping the gore of the walls no one is happy.

    I guess a sense of humour required I guess something you don't obviously have.

    Ends.

    Whoa there!!! I don't have a sense of humour because I don't like teen movies??? What cobblers is this? A load of highly questionable assumptions there. I hate gory films BTW.

    I didn't see them then and they don't appeal to me now. That's all.

    Whether I have a sense of humour is for my family and friends to judge. Not something I parade on this forum.

    Yeah you are right of course
    My apologies


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    What if it was the mail?

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  • Moses_ said:

    Tomorrows Guardian front page not going to make Ed happy

    "Labours assault on private schools"

    Oh dear "assault" and that's the Guardian pulling punches which the others don't do.

    First white van man now private schools. Is there no one safe?

    #saveEd#WeloveEd


    Well the Guardian is hardly unbiased.. Most of its Directors and senior management went to fee paying schools.. It's called social immobility...
    and a lot of its hacks went to paying schools.
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534
    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    saddo said:

    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next

    Is NPXMP still claiming that Labour's ethos is not based on class hatred and envy?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited November 2014
    saddo said:

    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next

    Savings and Pensions.

    A 10% grab, as we're all in it together.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:


    Anybody who got within 5% of the right answer can feel some pride in their effort. (That me, but only just!).

    Don't want to blow my own trumpet, but, since you ask...1.26%

    The main thing is that I beat Shadsy. Not often one can say that!

    At 6.60% I came just 0.66% outside the correct total, which wasn't bad, even if I say so myself.

    Now watch my predicted total of +70 seats for UKIP at the GE take shape.
    You never confirmed terms on our spread bet.

    You still up for it, or have you gone frit?
    This was the bet that I agreed to, and still agree to it:
    Do you want to frame a bet on that: let's say a central point of 18% [mid way between Survation's 24% and the top end of my range] and any figure up to £5 per point on the UKIP vote share.

    The fact was that I agreed to it, but you didn't confirm.
    Our confirmation posts must have crossed then.

    Central point of 18%
    Rounded to the nearest full percentage point
    £5 per point
    Max gain/loss capped at £50
    I get paid for each pp below 18% and you get paid for each pp above 18%

    Ok?

    @peter_the_punter for confirmation
    Yea OK, for the umpteen time even though I think the mid point was 17.5% but I'll let that pass. All Cheques pass through PtP as usual.

    And for those who want a the same bet with me, no deal. Not because I think I won't win but I do not want to make a book on this.
    Mike, glad for you that your losses per punter are capped at £50.
    As usual, you don't fully read a post. There is only one bet with one punter, verstehen!
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @saddo

    'They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next'

    Income Tax,Council tax,NI & IHT.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,566
    Itajai said:

    saddo said:

    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next

    Is NPXMP still claiming that Labour's ethos is not based on class hatred and envy?
    Sure. My dad went to Winchester, and on the whole quite liked it (unlike his vile prep school). But he felt that public schools should actually be banned because of their divisive effect. (mind you, he voted Tory up to 1960 or so and later Liberal, because he thought socialism was divisive too.)

    In any case, the Labour case isn't that they should be banned, merely that if they don't make a greater effort to help the community they shouldn't get tax subsidies. If they're supposed to be independent, why shouldn't they stand on their own feet?

  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721

    saddo said:

    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next

    Savings and Pensions.

    A 10% grab, as we're all in it together.
    I'm pretty sure Ed will use some legal tax avoidance scheme so he'd be unaffected.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited November 2014

    Itajai said:

    saddo said:

    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next

    Is NPXMP still claiming that Labour's ethos is not based on class hatred and envy?
    Sure. My dad went to Winchester, and on the whole quite liked it (unlike his vile prep school). But he felt that public schools should actually be banned because of their divisive effect. (mind you, he voted Tory up to 1960 or so and later Liberal, because he thought socialism was divisive too.)

    In any case, the Labour case isn't that they should be banned, merely that if they don't make a greater effort to help the community they shouldn't get tax subsidies. If they're supposed to be independent, why shouldn't they stand on their own feet?

    Every 200 to 250 pupils at public school contribute about 1 million pa to local authorities by not requiring LA funding for their school places.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Itajai

    'Is NPXMP still claiming that Labour's ethos is not based on class hatred and envy?'

    He was certainly unwilling or unable to answer the simple question of where the additional funding would come from, in the event of a mass exodus from private to state education,when ex public schoolboy Hunt scraps the £1,200 per pupil charitable status and the state has to pick up the additional cost of £ 5,550 per pupil.

    So presumably the policy is purely based on class hatred & envy.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Out of interest, are there any figures giving the total number of public school places in the country?
  • AndyJS said:

    Interesting piece IMO:

    "The slow suicide of Britain’s two party system. Only AV might have saved it.":

    http://thinkingliberal.co.uk/?p=1428

    Yes, it makes a lot of good points.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @philiph

    Approx. 600,000.
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721

    Itajai said:

    saddo said:

    No wonder Little Ed was angrier than angry last week over Lady Nugee's Tweet as it messed up the purity of Labour's next attack line, out and out class warfare.
    They tried in government every trick in the book to screw up private schools and failed, so they are having another go (embarrassed no doubt by the continuing gap in education standards).

    They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next

    Is NPXMP still claiming that Labour's ethos is not based on class hatred and envy?
    Sure. My dad went to Winchester, and on the whole quite liked it (unlike his vile prep school). But he felt that public schools should actually be banned because of their divisive effect. (mind you, he voted Tory up to 1960 or so and later Liberal, because he thought socialism was divisive too.)

    In any case, the Labour case isn't that they should be banned, merely that if they don't make a greater effort to help the community they shouldn't get tax subsidies. If they're supposed to be independent, why shouldn't they stand on their own feet?

    I don't think or believe you are motivated by class hatred or envy. Your party is.

    Many things get propped up as they can't stand on their own feet. Arguably from the arts through to industrial aid. And of course the BBC with their own state imposed poll tax. Given poor countries cannot stand on their own feet there should be no foreign aid too. I'm comfortable with this, doubt you would be happy to see foreign aid cut to zero.

    Personally I am indifferent to public schools. Public school pupils would still need to be educated in the state sector if these were restricted, so presumably the education budget would need to increase by 7-8% (to take account of the proportion). Has this been costed? Probably not. It's hidden behind the class war and the general dumbing down of everything associated with Labour. And the war is on the pupils rather than the parents at that.

    Presumably public schools are foreign income earners (like the universities except no one mentions this). Increasing fees as a result of unfavourable tax status would probably just reduce the % of British pupils educated to this level. With their hatred of anything British this is probably a welcome result for Labour.

    Q: is this a direct result of Flag-gate and a desperate attempt by the Labour high command to try and win back the WWC. The only people normally worried about public schools are rich public school types and those rich enough to be able to send their children to state schools in name only. Like the Blairs for example. Seems to massage their conscience.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    john_zims said:

    @philiph

    Approx. 600,000.

    Thanks
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,709

    BBC has namerd the popular service which carried the messages re Lee Rigby. Should that service be boycotted?

    What if it was the mail?

    Daily or Royal?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,034
    new thread!
  • john_zims said:

    @saddo
    'They've gone for houses & schools. I wonder what's next'
    Income Tax,Council tax,NI & IHT.

    You have omitted the working class born in the UK. Labour has massively screwed up their quality of life.

    By importing 2million workers this has suppressed and in some cases reduced wage rates at the bottom and increased the price of items such as housing and reduced the ability of the NHS to cope with the extra demand in areas such as maternity.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Itajai

    'Many things get propped up as they can't stand on their own feet.'

    You could add child benefit to your list,after all it's the decision of 'independent ' people to have children.

    What other conclusions can you come to, when a policy that potentially closes down many excellent schools and costs the state an additional £ 4,350 per pupil is based on anything other than class hatred & envy?
  • With government spending already unsustainable, Labour Party policy on spending is to get businesses (eg energy cos and banks) and charities (eg private schools) to pay for their promises.

    Since companies and charities don't get a vote, it might work in the short term - until people realise the consequences of such a policy.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    64 of 83 Acute FTs are now in deficit.

    In 2010 there was 1 in deficit

    64 of 83 Acute FTs are now in deficit.

    In 2010 there was 1 in deficit

    Read labours manifesto - they promised 20 billion of savings for the NHS
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