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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited November 2014
    I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.

    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.

    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.

    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA

    Well much as I love to traduce Labour I don't believe the headline. Indeed she does not want 'to stop drinkers having more than a pint of beer a day',
    but,
    'Shadow public health minister Luciana Berger said she wanted to slash the numbers of people who drink more than doctors recommend.'

    Doctors make recommendations and its hardly news that politicians, especially those charged with public health, want to see us be healthy. I suppose all this fits in with the current hysteria and should be treated as such.

    I might have say 4 pints a week, a lot less than when I was younger.
    Typically Farage said
    ‘People work hard and enjoy a sherbet in the pub’, rather than make a sensible 'health' comment.

    The fact is we should encourage people to drink responsibly. I regard Labour as pretty dumb, but they are not imposing rationing and the comment was made at the 'charity Alcohol Concern’s annual conference'.

    Speaking personally I don't need to misrepresent Labour to find things to criticise. Likewise with Farage, he is happy to put up with an MEP who called her own supporter a 'ting tong' even as he ignores the health issues of alcohol abuse.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    AndyJS said:

    Labour MPs Tom Watson and Ivan Lewis have a public argument on Twitter:

    twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/536517041113792513

    Surely Ivan Lewis's original tweet is rather unarguable? Who else other than Scots should get to decide who Scottish Labour's leader is?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TechnicallyRon: Ed Milliband stands on the side of the road. A white van drives past. A single tear falls down his cheek.
    "Ed?"
    "Just, the respect"
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ivan Dog Licenses For Journalists Lewis?

    I thought he'd gone by now. How amusing,
    AndyJS said:

    Labour MPs Tom Watson and Ivan Lewis have a public argument on Twitter:

    twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/536517041113792513

  • Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.This can be used to justify cuts.However it could be seen as free election material and so is open to charges of cheating.What a cheap scam,unbecoming of a serious government.Watch out for it when it comes through your letter box.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited November 2014
    "Plato" ---
    'I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.
    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.
    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.
    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA'

    No its not Doctor Nazi Lobby (whether you agree with it or not - and I don't).

    What we have is the issue being misrepresented and laid on the current hysteria of the moment.
    None of which gives any cause to believe in of the virtue 'journalism' .
    You really should be somewhat ashamed of yourself for coming out with comments like that.

    What this shadow minister actually seemed to have said was that they want to rry to get people to abide by health recommendations. This is twisted to imply rationing and rationing per day.
    Now I could easily jump onto this band wagon but the health guidelines are what the current govts chief medical officer supports. ie the current government.
    How can a minister shadow or otherwise campaign against this...?
    http://www.dmdhwebspace.co.uk/AIM/resources/worksheets/unitsandguidecomp.pdf

    So I don't because it is a decrepit hackneyed one wheeled band wagon containing nothing more than an out of tune trumpet.
    (I'm likely to have a tot of Irish Whiskey shortly)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.

    Hmm, seems perfectly fair to lump them in with the other scroungers.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.

    Hmm, seems perfectly fair to lump them in with the other scroungers.
    And given the recent journalism from The 'Independent', I find it hard to place any trust in their work. For a so-called independent paper, they have a pretty heavy agenda driving their 'journalism'
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Firstly, great to meet lots of people at Dirty Dicks on Friday night. Lots of great conversation and great to put a face to quite a few names - Quincel, Corporeal, Ninoinoz, Isam and Neil plus great to see the following again after a long time - OGH, Double Carpet, TSE, JohnO and Sunil. Apologies if I've missed anyone. Was also interesting to get a German perspective on our current political situation from a lady at the German embassy - pb.com travels far and wide! Got back at gone 3am Saturday morning in Southampton a couple of taxis and last train from Waterloo, but was well worth the effort!

    Secondly, many congratulations to Lewis Hamilton. Felt like the longest hour and a half plus, and one of the few sporting things that went right from my perspective this weekend, but easily the most important. Here is hoping for a back to back world championship this time next year. As for the issue of minimising his tax bill, people on the left should get over it, its something called human nature. Outside of war time, people will do the best for themselves, not for the state, end of - something that the left seemingly never seem to get their heads around.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Thanks to Steve for organising Friday night as well, knew I'd forgotten someone!


  • Stress. I always think 55 to 57 are the killer years. I imagine that owners, partners, in businesses like yours insure themselves or rather the business insures itself against such tragedies.
    Bearing in mind my earlier comment - was he a drinker?

    Oh yes, he was a yorkshire man, overweight, diabetic, and a drinker...
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Plato said:

    Would you marry me?

    I'll try it tomorrow when my mind isn't full of PB. I'm very linear in my thinking and need to dump one lot before the next task.

    Will you be about if I get stuck again? I can fiddle about for about 5hrs before getting irked and totally stuck.

    Crikey! ;-)

    I tend to read PB in big chunks on work days, if you message via twitter I'll get the notifications quicker. I think we follow each other on there, I have the same handle.

    Not sure how much time I'll have tomorrow as I've been informed the Boss died (aged 45) yesterday, so things are going to be interesting in the short term. Downside of working for a small company, we have to find out what the continuity plans are/were and how much was in his head. we know he had done some planning, and his deputy is good enough at managing people & projects. The "vision" & sales will be lacking as it was pretty much just him.

    As a curse "May you live in interesting times" seems to count double in IT...
    Good luck - hope things work out for your company going forward.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.This can be used to justify cuts.However it could be seen as free election material and so is open to charges of cheating.What a cheap scam,unbecoming of a serious government.Watch out for it when it comes through your letter box.

    The Guardian said that in- ''examples released by the Treasury, someone earning £30,000 a year will be told that £1,663 of their money goes towards welfare, £1,280 to health, £892 on education, and £822 to state pensions. Just £78 of their salary goes towards overseas aid and £51 to the EU budget.''

    Either you or the Independent seem to be engaged in your own propaganda. Of course 'pensioners' as well as for instance mothers are in receipt of welfare.
  • Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.This can be used to justify cuts.However it could be seen as free election material and so is open to charges of cheating.What a cheap scam,unbecoming of a serious government.Watch out for it when it comes through your letter box.

    In the absence of any pension funds for large (most?) parts of the public sector - I exclude local government, for example - that's not unreasonable: current taxes have to pay pension liabilities, irrespective of what nominal 'contributions' might have been taken in the past.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    Interesting to compare these two pages IMO:

    French National Grid Status:
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/

    UK National Grid Status:
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting to compare these two pages IMO:

    French National Grid Status:
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/

    UK National Grid Status:
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressive nuclear figures for the French.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    Plato said:


    Anyone paying attention to my voting behaviour would've noticed that I almost always back the winner.


    Danny565 said:

    Re my post earlier on peoples perception of immigration.

    I wonder what the political make up of posters this site is and how wrong all our perceptions are.

    I will guess at

    350 Con
    80 UKIP
    10 LAB
    20 LD
    5 Green

    Am i massively wrong are there anywhere near 465 posters do you think is Lab really so under represented?

    Or is my perception miles out?

    You've forgotten the (no doubt numerous) floating voters.
    I'm always fascinated when I see someone on PB who's genuinely quite centrist and a swing voter. I suppose I just assume that someone who spends as much time thinking about politics so much that they post on a politics forum, would have strong and fixed views on most things.

    I do take note Plato and I think you're right this time. I'm absolutely convinced that the soft Tory Cameron is going to win handsomely in May. I haven't been this sure for a long time.

    And this may surprise pb'ers but I've voted 4x Conservative 2x LibDem and 1x Labour. I'm possibly only slightly less of a switch centrist than you.

    It's very odd that switch voters are hounded on here when, actually, they are the people who decide the General Elections. I suppose it's because most people fascinated by politics are convinctionistas. Most, but not all.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012



    Stress. I always think 55 to 57 are the killer years. I imagine that owners, partners, in businesses like yours insure themselves or rather the business insures itself against such tragedies.
    Bearing in mind my earlier comment - was he a drinker?

    Oh yes, he was a yorkshire man, overweight, diabetic, and a drinker...
    I'm not sure what Yorkshire has to do with it, but my dad was a Lancastrian, somewhat overweight, angina, diabetes, ill at 55-57 and stroke and death at 62. Not a drinker.

    I might not agree with the letter of guidelines but I can see why they have them. At least we can have 5 veg a day. I recommend people make the most of them. Oh dear I've just issued a guideline. Mr Farage will hate me.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm hugely sceptical. devilskitchen.me.uk/2012/03/letter-to-david-cameron.html?m=1
    Further, you will also know that:

    about 4 years ago, Richard Smith—a member of the Royal College of Physicians group that produced the report on which the recommended weekly units are based—told The Times that "... it’s impossible to say what’s safe and what isn’t... we don’t really have any data whatsoever... Those limits were really plucked out of the air. They were not based on any firm evidence at all. It was a sort of intelligent guess by a committee" (no longer generally available online but also reported by The Register);

    "Plato" ---
    'I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.
    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.
    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.
    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA'

    No its not Doctor Nazi Lobby (whether you agree with it or not - and I don't).

    What we have is the issue being misrepresented and laid on the current hysteria of the moment.
    None of which gives any cause to believe in of the virtue 'journalism' .
    You really should be somewhat ashamed of yourself for coming out with comments like that.

    What this shadow minister actually seemed to have said was that they want to rry to get people to abide by health recommendations. This is twisted to imply rationing and rationing per day.
    Now I could easily jump onto this band wagon but the health guidelines are what the current govts chief medical officer supports. ie the current government.
    How can a minister shadow or otherwise campaign against this...?
    http://www.dmdhwebspace.co.uk/AIM/resources/worksheets/unitsandguidecomp.pdf

    So I don't because it is a decrepit hackneyed one wheeled band wagon containing nothing more than an out of tune trumpet.
    (I'm likely to have a tot of Irish Whiskey shortly)

  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Plato said:

    I found iTunes really hard work when it first started out - but that was a long time ago.

    IIRC my first and only iPod coped with about 150 tunes and the app was messy. Ar they less fussy about file sources nowadays? I took a very long break from music [about a decade or so] after getting annoyed with the transition between hard and soft copies.

    I'll check out the reviews but remain very sceptical - the Dolby app on my PC is awfully good - I just wish I could throw its cleverness at Audacity. Or work out which bit of Audacity did what I needed.

    Freggles said:

    Plato said:

    My main audio problem is that my 2.2k collection has been amassed from a LOT of sources ranging from 98-320kbps, from ancient 30s vinyl/other crap sources/top notch and all at different volumes. I find using my PC Dolby app levels them all out pretty well - then they meet my TV and we're all over the place.

    I didn't realise how big the gulf was until I got it about a month ago and now I have to keep the remote handy lest it blasts out or goes almost silent - totally at random.

    I'm quite prepared to spend a couple of days processing the audio files to even them out - what SW would you recommend to do this? This isn't my field at all - I just fix weird Windows file errors re properties and create files from TV shows when the tracks aren't available commercially.

    Omnium said:

    Plato said:

    Thanx - I'm a bit allergic to MKV as I can't ever make them play on either of my two W7 laptops after hours of downloading codec packs and fiddling. Same with AAC.

    Just bought a 2T new one with W8 - let's see if that works. I'm turning my youngest old laptop into a full-time media server this week. That'll be a hoot trying to get everything I had transferred and feeling/looking the same. I get quite OCD about my favourite apps and Google has stopped supporting most of them years ago!

    Omnium said:

    @Plato

    A recommendation re dvd capture on prev thread. (MakeMKV)


    snip




    A pretty easy way would be to import them into iTunes then burn them as CDs, it has an inbuilt "Normalisation" function that will set the volume at a single level. Purists may hate though.
    iTunes isn't ideal and it's known for using lots of RAM - if you can do a bulk normalisation on Audacity that would be good.

    A quick google turns up this: http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/
    and an article about it: http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2007/01/04/how-to-normalize-your-mp3-volume-levels-the-right-way/

    I would give MP3Gain a go on a few discs' worth and see if you're happy with the output rather than the iTunes route at first
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited November 2014
    Ed Didn't Start the fire lol............

    Have to say I feel a little bit sorry for him, otoh the tories all had to put up with this sort of thing weekly from Fluck and Law in the '80s and '90s.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTHlg6reZo&feature=youtu.be
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    "Plato" ---
    'I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.
    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.
    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.
    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA'

    No its not Doctor Nazi Lobby (whether you agree with it or not - and I don't).

    What we have is the issue being misrepresented and laid on the current hysteria of the moment.
    None of which gives any cause to believe in of the virtue 'journalism' .
    You really should be somewhat ashamed of yourself for coming out with comments like that.

    What this shadow minister actually seemed to have said was that they want to rry to get people to abide by health recommendations. This is twisted to imply rationing and rationing per day.
    Now I could easily jump onto this band wagon but the health guidelines are what the current govts chief medical officer supports. ie the current government.
    How can a minister shadow or otherwise campaign against this...?
    http://www.dmdhwebspace.co.uk/AIM/resources/worksheets/unitsandguidecomp.pdf

    So I don't because it is a decrepit hackneyed one wheeled band wagon containing nothing more than an out of tune trumpet.
    (I'm likely to have a tot of Irish Whiskey shortly)

    really why don't you just vote communist and be happy.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Plato said:

    I'm hugely sceptical. devilskitchen.me.uk/2012/03/letter-to-david-cameron.html?m=1

    Further, you will also know that:

    about 4 years ago, Richard Smith—a member of the Royal College of Physicians group that produced the report on which the recommended weekly units are based—told The Times that "... it’s impossible to say what’s safe and what isn’t... we don’t really have any data whatsoever... Those limits were really plucked out of the air. They were not based on any firm evidence at all. It was a sort of intelligent guess by a committee" (no longer generally available online but also reported by The Register);

    "Plato" ---
    'I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.
    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.
    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.
    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA'

    No its not Doctor Nazi Lobby (whether you agree with it or not - and I don't).

    What we have is the issue being misrepresented and laid on the current hysteria of the moment.
    None of which gives any cause to believe in of the virtue 'journalism' .
    You really should be somewhat ashamed of yourself for coming out with comments like that.

    What this shadow minister actually seemed to have said was that they want to rry to get people to abide by health recommendations. This is twisted to imply rationing and rationing per day.
    Now I could easily jump onto this band wagon but the health guidelines are what the current govts chief medical officer supports. ie the current government.
    How can a minister shadow or otherwise campaign against this...?
    http://www.dmdhwebspace.co.uk/AIM/resources/worksheets/unitsandguidecomp.pdf

    So I don't because it is a decrepit hackneyed one wheeled band wagon containing nothing more than an out of tune trumpet.
    (I'm likely to have a tot of Irish Whiskey shortly)



    across the world doctors "recommend" different limits, if you want to get pissed and stay happy go to New Zealand
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    If Ed Miliband had announced yesterday that he is planning to replace his campaign battle bus with a white van, get himself a tattoo and emblazon his large house in north London with 10 cross of St George flags, it would not have come as a shock. Such is Labour’s panic this weekend that it seems the party’s high command will do or say anything just to prove that it is not contemptuous of “White Van Man” and English patriotism.

    Remember that this was supposed to have been a period dominated by Conservative in-fighting and speculation about whether more Tory MPs will defect to Ukip.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11248116/The-white-van-that-caused-yet-another-car-crash-for-Miliband.html
  • hunchman said:

    Thanks to Steve for organising Friday night as well, knew I'd forgotten someone!

    Nice to meet you too hunchman!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    US of A rly supporting confidence at the moment.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scott_P said:

    If Ed Miliband had announced yesterday that he is planning to replace his campaign battle bus with a white van, get himself a tattoo and emblazon his large house in north London with 10 cross of St George flags, it would not have come as a shock. Such is Labour’s panic this weekend that it seems the party’s high command will do or say anything just to prove that it is not contemptuous of “White Van Man” and English patriotism.

    Remember that this was supposed to have been a period dominated by Conservative in-fighting and speculation about whether more Tory MPs will defect to Ukip.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11248116/The-white-van-that-caused-yet-another-car-crash-for-Miliband.html


    When it comes to New Years, and the media show the iconic photos for the year, that "3 flags 1 van" photo is gonna be right up there with the best of them.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Plato said:


    Anyone paying attention to my voting behaviour would've noticed that I almost always back the winner.


    Danny565 said:

    Re my post earlier on peoples perception of immigration.

    I wonder what the political make up of posters this site is and how wrong all our perceptions are.

    I will guess at

    350 Con
    80 UKIP
    10 LAB
    20 LD
    5 Green

    Am i massively wrong are there anywhere near 465 posters do you think is Lab really so under represented?

    Or is my perception miles out?

    You've forgotten the (no doubt numerous) floating voters.
    I'm always fascinated when I see someone on PB who's genuinely quite centrist and a swing voter. I suppose I just assume that someone who spends as much time thinking about politics so much that they post on a politics forum, would have strong and fixed views on most things.

    I do take note Plato and I think you're right this time. I'm absolutely convinced that the soft Tory Cameron is going to win handsomely in May. I haven't been this sure for a long time.

    And this may surprise pb'ers but I've voted 4x Conservative 2x LibDem and 1x Labour. I'm possibly only slightly less of a switch centrist than you.

    It's very odd that switch voters are hounded on here when, actually, they are the people who decide the General Elections. I suppose it's because most people fascinated by politics are convinctionistas. Most, but not all.
    1983 SDP
    1987 SDP/Liberal Alliance
    1992 Labour
    1997 Labour
    2001 Labour
    2005 LibDem
    2010 Conservative

    So only 2/7 of times did I back the winner, and in none of my elections did the seat change hands. I expect to vote Lib/Dem in 2015. I do not expect Clegg to be PM!
  • Plato said:

    I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.

    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.

    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.

    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA

    Well much as I love to traduce Labour I don't believe the headline. Indeed she does not want 'to stop drinkers having more than a pint of beer a day',
    but,
    'Shadow public health minister Luciana Berger said she wanted to slash the numbers of people who drink more than doctors recommend.'

    Doctors make recommendations and its hardly news that politicians, especially those charged with public health, want to see us be healthy. I suppose all this fits in with the current hysteria and should be treated as such.

    I might have say 4 pints a week, a lot less than when I was younger.
    Typically Farage said
    ‘People work hard and enjoy a sherbet in the pub’, rather than make a sensible 'health' comment.

    The fact is we should encourage people to drink responsibly. I regard Labour as pretty dumb, but they are not imposing rationing and the comment was made at the 'charity Alcohol Concern’s annual conference'.

    Speaking personally I don't need to misrepresent Labour to find things to criticise. Likewise with Farage, he is happy to put up with an MEP who called her own supporter a 'ting tong' even as he ignores the health issues of alcohol abuse.
    Jihad by stealth? :)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Plato said:

    I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.

    If this is the case, I'll offer good prices for other PBers ration cards for beer.

    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.

    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA

    Well much as I love to traduce Labour I don't believe the headline. Indeed she does not want 'to stop drinkers having more than a pint of beer a day',
    but,
    'Shadow public health minister Luciana Berger said she wanted to slash the numbers of people who drink more than doctors recommend.'

    Doctors make recommendations and its hardly news that politicians, especially those charged with public health, want to see us be healthy. I suppose all this fits in with the current hysteria and should be treated as such.

    I might have say 4 pints a week, a lot less than when I was younger.
    Typically Farage said
    ‘People work hard and enjoy a sherbet in the pub’, rather than make a sensible 'health' comment.

    The fact is we should encourage people to drink responsibly. I regard Labour as pretty dumb, but they are not imposing rationing and the comment was made at the 'charity Alcohol Concern’s annual conference'.

    Speaking personally I don't need to misrepresent Labour to find things to criticise. Likewise with Farage, he is happy to put up with an MEP who called her own supporter a 'ting tong' even as he ignores the health issues of alcohol abuse.
    Jihad by stealth? :)
    Isn't it odd how MPs want to stop everyone drinking "for their own good" but can't actually remove the subsidies in their own bars in the HoC ? Why's that then ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    137 days to go before the general election campaign begins. That's just over 19 weeks.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Charles said:

    Once upon a time this was a pleasant site. In and amongst reasoned discussions of politics and polling, there'd be diversions into any number of abstruse and eclectic issues, from the formation of Saxon languages to the Irish Question in the time of Gladstone to hi-tech gadgetry. These discussions and diversions were possible because of a level of civility, tolerance and self-restraint which quite simply doesn't now exist.

    Rather than advancing with age, it is as if pbc has gone from the SCR to the playground.

    Most of the time it's ok. Sadly, once one person kicks off, others respond in kind and it is ruined for the evening
    Think that's right. Part of the trouble is that there are now two separate flame wars going on in both directions, the traditional Con vs Lab and the new Con vs Kipper. If one skips all posts giving nasty opinions on other posters, one can save both time and aggravation (it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, most of us don't care).

    Back on topic: it seems reasonable to assume that if UKIP is mobilising previous non-voters, they're the sort of people who would have turned up their noses at online panels about politics a few years ago. So perhaps the phone polls are more accurate in today's climate? do the panels keep refreshig their memebership?

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Audreyanne -- ''It's very odd that switch voters are hounded on here when, actually, they are the people who decide the General Elections. I suppose it's because most people fascinated by politics are convinctionistas. Most, but not all. ''

    I'm a convictionist. I am a tory and always have been.
    But its because I prefer a tory government that I am happy - well prepared - to see my tory convictions trimmed to ensure a wider spread of voters preparing to vote tory. In a similar but different sort of way this is why a lot of LD voters have been so stupid over the last 5 years.

    The benefit of extremist 'tories' voting UKIP and not tory is that many switch voters should have an easier task voting tory, not least in order to stick it to the extremist UKIP.
    The other point of course is 'events' and how to manage them. I don't care who calls me gullible but its pretty clear that far and away the best person to deal with 'events dear boy' is Cameron. Miliband? Farage?? Don't make me laugh. Clegg fails too after a good start. All three simply fall back into their own prejudiced comfort zone.
    This may or may not make him the best of a bad bunch, but really I do not buy into all the 'anti' self serving hysteria.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.

    Hmm, seems perfectly fair to lump them in with the other scroungers.
    The IFS say this

    £20 billion of the spending counted under welfare is pensions to older people other than state pensions. That includes spending on public service pensions – to retired nurses, soldiers and so on[1]. This is not spending that would normally be classed as "welfare"

    Full article

    http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7424

    Fine to lump nurses, soldiers in with scroungers OK Mr Watcher.
  • Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.

    Hmm, seems perfectly fair to lump them in with the other scroungers.
    And given the recent journalism from The 'Independent', I find it hard to place any trust in their work. For a so-called independent paper, they have a pretty heavy agenda driving their 'journalism'
    One might think they were funded by the KGB.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Audreyanne -- ''It's very odd that switch voters are hounded on here when, actually, they are the people who decide the General Elections. I suppose it's because most people fascinated by politics are convinctionistas. Most, but not all. ''

    I'm a convictionist. I am a tory and always have been.
    But its because I prefer a tory government that I am happy - well prepared - to see my tory convictions trimmed to ensure a wider spread of voters preparing to vote tory. In a similar but different sort of way this is why a lot of LD voters have been so stupid over the last 5 years.

    The benefit of extremist 'tories' voting UKIP and not tory is that many switch voters should have an easier task voting tory, not least in order to stick it to the extremist UKIP.
    The other point of course is 'events' and how to manage them. I don't care who calls me gullible but its pretty clear that far and away the best person to deal with 'events dear boy' is Cameron. Miliband? Farage?? Don't make me laugh. Clegg fails too after a good start. All three simply fall back into their own prejudiced comfort zone.
    This may or may not make him the best of a bad bunch, but really I do not buy into all the 'anti' self serving hysteria.

    LOL you're a socialist. but can't quite admit it.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    Thanks to Steve for organising Friday night as well, knew I'd forgotten someone!

    Nice to meet you too hunchman!
    Cheers Sunil. Was great to see you too and catch up on your train escapades!

    Program on Jim Clark now on BBC4 - suitable entertainment for petrol heads tonight after Hunt Lauda 1976 just. Went to see the Jim Clark museum and his grave in Chirnside in the Scottish Borders around 5 years ago - a very moving place to see and learn about the first of thankfully now four at least double F1 world champions.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It's looking increasingly likely the next government will have to be either a 3+ party coalition or a minority administration. Are our politicians prepared for such a prospect?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Audreyanne -- ''It's very odd that switch voters are hounded on here when, actually, they are the people who decide the General Elections. I suppose it's because most people fascinated by politics are convinctionistas. Most, but not all. ''

    I'm a convictionist. I am a tory and always have been.
    But its because I prefer a tory government that I am happy - well prepared - to see my tory convictions trimmed to ensure a wider spread of voters preparing to vote tory. In a similar but different sort of way this is why a lot of LD voters have been so stupid over the last 5 years.

    The benefit of extremist 'tories' voting UKIP and not tory is that many switch voters should have an easier task voting tory, not least in order to stick it to the extremist UKIP.
    The other point of course is 'events' and how to manage them. I don't care who calls me gullible but its pretty clear that far and away the best person to deal with 'events dear boy' is Cameron. Miliband? Farage?? Don't make me laugh. Clegg fails too after a good start. All three simply fall back into their own prejudiced comfort zone.
    This may or may not make him the best of a bad bunch, but really I do not buy into all the 'anti' self serving hysteria.

    LOL you're a socialist. but can't quite admit it.
    LOL LOL LOL etc... you're a fool. A double fool if you can so misunderstand what a socialist is. But rest assured I know what Farage is, and I don't have to delude myself to hide it away. And I also recognise what a real socialist like Miliband is.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited November 2014

    Audreyanne -- ''It's very odd that switch voters are hounded on here when, actually, they are the people who decide the General Elections. I suppose it's because most people fascinated by politics are convinctionistas. Most, but not all. ''

    I'm a convictionist. I am a tory and always have been.
    But its because I prefer a tory government that I am happy - well prepared - to see my tory convictions trimmed to ensure a wider spread of voters preparing to vote tory. In a similar but different sort of way this is why a lot of LD voters have been so stupid over the last 5 years.

    The benefit of extremist 'tories' voting UKIP and not tory is that many switch voters should have an easier task voting tory, not least in order to stick it to the extremist UKIP.
    The other point of course is 'events' and how to manage them. I don't care who calls me gullible but its pretty clear that far and away the best person to deal with 'events dear boy' is Cameron. Miliband? Farage?? Don't make me laugh. Clegg fails too after a good start. All three simply fall back into their own prejudiced comfort zone.
    This may or may not make him the best of a bad bunch, but really I do not buy into all the 'anti' self serving hysteria.

    LOL you're a socialist. but can't quite admit it.
    LOL LOL LOL etc... you're a fool. A double fool if you can so misunderstand what a socialist is. But rest assured I know what Farage is, and I don't have to delude myself to hide it away. And I also recognise what a real socialist like Miliband is.
    off you go again, having your rant against kippers. I'm not a kipper but really you should just join Labour and be happy. Look at Miliband that's you that is.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


    why's that relevant to anything ?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.

    Hmm, seems perfectly fair to lump them in with the other scroungers.
    And given the recent journalism from The 'Independent', I find it hard to place any trust in their work. For a so-called independent paper, they have a pretty heavy agenda driving their 'journalism'
    One might think they were funded by the KGB.
    heh heh heh...
    I wish I had thought of that. Doffs cap ... Worth a £1 of anybody's money.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    Someone gets the wrong end of the stick:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HY5bxCUAA7uU4.jpg:large
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    So basically the IFS say the statements have put the wrong Nurses and Soldiers pensions in as welfare.

    So the wrong figure in the wrong category.

    Fine by Mr Watcher
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


    Thanks for that Mark, given it means a "mad person" I believe it fits Flightpath perfectly. A nasty piece of work.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


    why's that relevant to anything ?
    It is not Alan he is just not right in the head.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


    Thanks for that Mark, given it means a "mad person" I believe it fits Flightpath perfectly. A nasty piece of work.
    a terminal case of brassica rutabaga
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    The bile emanating from some on here just shows the poster up as being puerile.

    Its getting to the point where PB is virtually unreadable..
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Peter Hitchens:

    "I wondered how our neutered, bootlicking, pro-government media would manage to turn David Cameron’s devastating personal and political defeat in Rochester into a disaster for Red Ed.
    Piles of money, tankers laden with snake-oil, five visits by the Prime Minister himself, even a frantic plea for Guardian readers’ votes, could not save the Tories from what I reckon was the worst defeat in their entire history, losing a seat to a party which really believes in what the Tories pretend to believe in.
    Yet you’d think the main event was the sacking of a Labour nobody by another nobody for doing nothing."


    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


    Thanks for that Mark, given it means a "mad person" I believe it fits Flightpath perfectly. A nasty piece of work.
    a terminal case of brassica rutabaga
    LOL, nice one
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Evening colleagues, does anyone know about the poll in tomorrow's Daily Express which has Tories 1st UKIP 2nd and Labour 3rd? Harry Smith of STV was tweeting the front page which has a wee pic of Nigel Farage and says the poll is on page 5.

    Incidentally since we are sharing voting behaviour
    1979 Tory
    1983 Tory
    1987 Tory candidate
    1992 Tory
    1997 Tory
    2001 Tory
    2005 Tory
    2010 Tory

    so you can guess which party I'll be voting for in May.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that Hamilton's F1 title has created a backlash based on his taxes here on PB.
    However until the general population is willing to severely criticize him on such a scale that it is terminal for his reputation, then he will continue to do whatever he wants.

    ...

    Many F1 drivers live in Monaco: there's a rich vein of current and ex-drivers there, along with team principles and owners. This is probably not just for tax reasons (although that is certainly part of it): with so many F1 people around, the contacts are there, you can catch the same flights with your mates, the weather's nice, and your £32 million yacht does not look too ostentatious ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/7625496/Fame-and-Fortune-Eddie-Jordan.html

    There's also the issue of fame, fans and privacy. If I was Hamilton I wouldn't particularly want to live in Stevenage at the moment. I'd be tempted to move somewhere where fame and money is everywhere, if only to get people off my back.

    ...
    What we have on this site is a rich eruption of prejudice and hypocricy. Its all utterly pathetic. The well known usual subject incites controversy by calling a British sporting hero and tip of a magnificent British based (in most respects a British technological) operation a 'rat'.
    He then turns round and attempts to take the moral high ground. You cannot say I am biased because I have criticised Swiss Bob in the recent past over a pretty horrioble photo.

    Your usual bile and vitriol whilst trying to point the finger at someone else. Straight competition for nastiest poster on the site between you and the creepy Watcher.
    Is 'rat' a higher or lower inciting insult than 'ting tong'?
    You moronic halfwit, I don't even know what ting tong means having never heard of it. Unlike you I don't live in the gutter

    Malc, they're referring to this infamous story...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28840210


    why's that relevant to anything ?
    It is not Alan he is just not right in the head.
    tbh malc I never get this english racist name calling bollocks. Celts just take people as they are the english have this weird need to stick on labels and pummel each other with them. Odd.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @audreyanne‌ Check your Vanilla messages
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Many thanx, Mr Freggles. I do appreciate it.

    Px
    Freggles said:

    Plato said:

    I found iTunes really hard work when it first started out - but that was a long time ago.

    IIRC my first and only iPod coped with about 150 tunes and the app was messy. Ar they less fussy about file sources nowadays? I took a very long break from music [about a decade or so] after getting annoyed with the transition between hard and soft copies.

    I'll check out the reviews but remain very sceptical - the Dolby app on my PC is awfully good - I just wish I could throw its cleverness at Audacity. Or work out which bit of Audacity did what I needed.

    Freggles said:

    Plato said:

    My main audio problem is that my 2.2k collection has been amassed from a LOT of sources ranging from 98-320kbps, from ancient 30s vinyl/other crap sources/top notch and all at different volumes. I find using my PC Dolby app levels them all out pretty well - then they meet my TV and we're all over the place.

    I didn't realise how big the gulf was until I got it about a month ago and now I have to keep the remote handy lest it blasts out or goes almost silent - totally at random.

    I'm quite prepared to spend a couple of days processing the audio files to even them out - what SW would you recommend to do this? This isn't my field at all - I just fix weird Windows file errors re properties and create files from TV shows when the tracks aren't available commercially.

    Omnium said:

    Plato said:

    Thanx - I'm a bit allergic to MKV as I can't ever make them play on either of my two W7 laptops after hours of downloading codec packs and fiddling. Same with AAC.

    Just bought a 2T new one with W8 - let's see if that works. I'm turning my youngest old laptop into a full-time media server this week. That'll be a hoot trying to get everything I had transferred and feeling/looking the same. I get quite OCD about my favourite apps and Google has stopped supporting most of them years ago!

    Omnium said:

    @Plato

    A recommendation re dvd capture on prev thread. (MakeMKV)


    snip



    iTunes isn't ideal and it's known for using lots of RAM - if you can do a bulk normalisation on Audacity that would be good.

    A quick google turns up this: http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/
    and an article about it: http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2007/01/04/how-to-normalize-your-mp3-volume-levels-the-right-way/

    I would give MP3Gain a go on a few discs' worth and see if you're happy with the output rather than the iTunes route at first
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I just hope EdM doesn't light a fire!

    Him as Jim Morrison, all shirt open - Ewwwwwwwwwwwww

    youtube.com/watch?v=9iSXrZYhJt4

    Ed Didn't Start the fire lol............

    Have to say I feel a little bit sorry for him, otoh the tories all had to put up with this sort of thing weekly from Fluck and Law in the '80s and '90s.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTHlg6reZo&feature=youtu.be

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited November 2014

    Evening colleagues, does anyone know about the poll in tomorrow's Daily Express which has Tories 1st UKIP 2nd and Labour 3rd? Harry Smith of STV was tweeting the front page which has a wee pic of Nigel Farage and says the poll is on page 5.

    Incidentally since we are sharing voting behaviour
    1979 Tory
    1983 Tory
    1987 Tory candidate
    1992 Tory
    1997 Tory
    2001 Tory
    2005 Tory
    2010 Tory

    so you can guess which party I'll be voting for in May.

    How boring, Easterross :)

    I voted Lab in 1997 Ilford North (and 1998 Locals Redbridge Council)
    Red Ken as an Independent in 2000 London Mayor
    LibDem in 2001 (and 2002 Locals)
    LibDem in 2004 London Mayor and Euros
    moved to Cambridge
    LibDem in 2005, and 2006 and 2007 Locals (Cambridge City/County Locals)
    moved back to Ilford
    Tory in 2008 London Mayor (but LibDem in the London Assembly!)
    Tory in 2009 Euros
    Tory in 2010 and Locals too
    UKIP at 2014 Euros (BUT, BUT Tory in the Locals!)
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    If Labour are third in a poll that really would be a story. Wonder who Ed will sack to get over the bad poll?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Waste alert, 5 million pounds spent by Osborne on distorted propaganda.The Independent has published an article which exposes the lie.The fancy tax pie chart shows 'welfare' in red as being the largest area of spending.However all is not what it seems as Welfare now contains public sector pensions which inflates the percentage spend.

    Hmm, seems perfectly fair to lump them in with the other scroungers.
    The IFS say this

    £20 billion of the spending counted under welfare is pensions to older people other than state pensions. That includes spending on public service pensions – to retired nurses, soldiers and so on[1]. This is not spending that would normally be classed as "welfare"

    Full article

    http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7424

    Fine to lump nurses, soldiers in with scroungers OK Mr Watcher.
    From what I read we spend £104 billion on old age pensions and £38 billion on sickness and disability payments which are both listed under 'pensions'. (ukpublicspending.co.uk)
    Now to me, pensions are 'pensions' and sickness and disability payments are 'welfare'.

    I have no idea what this leaflet says. But we are already once again well down the road of people reading what they want ... life's easier that way.
  • TapestryTapestry Posts: 153
    edited November 2014
    Farage is getting frightened by his own success, asking Tory MPs not to defect until after Christmas. Why's that? If six more want to jump let them jump now. Politics is a game of momentum, and if the momentum's running with you, go with it. Don't try applying the brakes. It'll spoil the outcome. What's his problem?

    http://tapnewswire.com/2014/11/the-real-split-in-the-british-vote-is-peeping-out-here-and-there-ukip-might-be-far-further-ahead-than-polls-are-saying/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited November 2014
    *titters*

    I'm now imbibing Cockburn's Special Reserve Port - my favourite tipple, is a litre of it too much? In one sitting? ;^)

    EDIT - what happened to his lion door knocker? It looks like someone large grabbed it whilst pissed and wiggling their front door key in the dark.
    Scott_P said:

    If Ed Miliband had announced yesterday that he is planning to replace his campaign battle bus with a white van, get himself a tattoo and emblazon his large house in north London with 10 cross of St George flags, it would not have come as a shock. Such is Labour’s panic this weekend that it seems the party’s high command will do or say anything just to prove that it is not contemptuous of “White Van Man” and English patriotism.

    Remember that this was supposed to have been a period dominated by Conservative in-fighting and speculation about whether more Tory MPs will defect to Ukip.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11248116/The-white-van-that-caused-yet-another-car-crash-for-Miliband.html

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP in second place? Are we talking about a voodoo poll here?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Plato said:

    *titters*

    I'm now imbibing Cockburn's Special Reserve Port - my favourite tipple, is a litre of it too much? In one sitting? ;^)

    Scott_P said:

    If Ed Miliband had announced yesterday that he is planning to replace his campaign battle bus with a white van, get himself a tattoo and emblazon his large house in north London with 10 cross of St George flags, it would not have come as a shock. Such is Labour’s panic this weekend that it seems the party’s high command will do or say anything just to prove that it is not contemptuous of “White Van Man” and English patriotism.

    Remember that this was supposed to have been a period dominated by Conservative in-fighting and speculation about whether more Tory MPs will defect to Ukip.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11248116/The-white-van-that-caused-yet-another-car-crash-for-Miliband.html


    suum cuique Miss P.

    I can only assume the health fascists want us all to live 10 years longer so they can impose more godforsaken misery on a greater chunk of humanity.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    I'll join in.

    Voted in all GEs that I am eligible for. Only voted in 2 constituencies, and they are adjacent to each other. In 97 Gordon and Tony scared me witless, I couldn't see them as capable or trustworthy. I like to think I was right!


    1974 Labour, Ann Mallalieu
    1979 Lib
    1983 Lib
    1987 Lib
    1992 Lib
    1997 Tory
    2001 Tory
    2005 Tory
    2010 Tory
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited November 2014
    Plato said:

    Many thanx, Mr Freggles. I do appreciate it.

    Px

    Freggles said:

    Plato said:

    I found iTunes really hard work when it first started out - but that was a long time ago.

    IIRC my first and only iPod coped with about 150 tunes and the app was messy. Ar they less fussy about file sources nowadays? I took a very long break from music [about a decade or so] after getting annoyed with the transition between hard and soft copies.

    I'll check out the reviews but remain very sceptical - the Dolby app on my PC is awfully good - I just wish I could throw its cleverness at Audacity. Or work out which bit of Audacity did what I needed.

    Freggles said:

    Plato said:

    My main audio problem is that my 2.2k collection has been amassed from a LOT of sources ranging from 98-320kbps, from ancient 30s vinyl/other crap sources/top notch and all at different volumes. I find using my PC Dolby app levels them all out pretty well - then they meet my TV and we're all over the place.

    I didn't realise how big the gulf was until I got it about a month ago and now I have to keep the remote handy lest it blasts out or goes almost silent - totally at random.

    Omnium said:

    @Plato

    A recommendation re dvd capture on prev thread. (MakeMKV)


    snip








    I used Audacity to improve signal to noise in some MP3s I converted from old LPs using this gizmo.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/171546869356?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108

    I would say 90% of the tracks I transferred seemed to have decent sound quality!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Tapestry said:

    Farage is getting frightened by his own success, asking Tory MPs not to defect until after Christmas. Why's that? If six more want to jump let them jump now. Politics is a game of momentum, and if the momentum's running with you, go with it. Don't try applying the brakes. It'll spoil the outcome. What's his problem?

    http://tapnewswire.com/2014/11/the-real-split-in-the-british-vote-is-peeping-out-here-and-there-ukip-might-be-far-further-ahead-than-polls-are-saying/

    You are hilarious.
    Don't you know ''there are exactly 57 card-carrying members of the UKIP in the Conservative Party at this time! ''
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited November 2014
    Whilst boasting that I rarely get a hangover - I had a terrible one after spending the night at the HoC riverside bar about a decade ago. The white wine was revolting nail polish remover quality - and *paid* for by a lecherous old lord who was double my age and wanted to be in my knickers.

    I'd been joshing earlier by trying to get him to play an X-Box, I don't think he had a TV.

    It was very very funny - he took me on a personal tour of both the HoL and the HoC, HMQ robing room and introduced to all the various security bods/explained the etiquette.

    At 23:30 he stood me at the Dispatch Box and goofed me into making a speech to the Opposition benches. It was hilarious. I can't tell who was more sloshed by this point. A fantastic summer evening - my boyfriend was jealous, sulky and tagged along. I'd have been cock-a-hoop to see it all in his shoes. Ho hum.

    Plato said:

    I LOL at that Health Nazi proclamation.

    Anyone with an interest in this subject knows that it's all finger-in-the-air stuff from the Doctor Nazi Lobby. See the old Devil's Kitchen for the full nonsense, it's Barnett Formula maths.

    Labour Does De Facto Prohibition - HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHA

    Well much as I love to traduce Labour I don't believe the headline. Indeed she does not want 'to stop drinkers having more than a pint of beer a day',
    but,
    'Shadow public health minister Luciana Berger said she wanted to slash the numbers of people who drink more than doctors recommend.'

    Doctors make recommendations and its hardly news that politicians, especially those charged with public health, want to see us be healthy. I suppose all this fits in with the current hysteria and should be treated as such.

    I might have say 4 pints a week, a lot less than when I was younger.
    Typically Farage said
    ‘People work hard and enjoy a sherbet in the pub’, rather than make a sensible 'health' comment.



    Speaking personally I don't need to misrepresent Labour to find things to criticise. Likewise with Farage, he is happy to put up with an MEP who called her own supporter a 'ting tong' even as he ignores the health issues of alcohol abuse.
    Jihad by stealth? :)
    Isn't it odd how MPs want to stop everyone drinking "for their own good" but can't actually remove the subsidies in their own bars in the HoC ? Why's that then ?
  • Charles said:

    Once upon a time this was a pleasant site. In and amongst reasoned discussions of politics and polling, there'd be diversions into any number of abstruse and eclectic issues, from the formation of Saxon languages to the Irish Question in the time of Gladstone to hi-tech gadgetry. These discussions and diversions were possible because of a level of civility, tolerance and self-restraint which quite simply doesn't now exist.

    Rather than advancing with age, it is as if pbc has gone from the SCR to the playground.

    Most of the time it's ok. Sadly, once one person kicks off, others respond in kind and it is ruined for the evening
    Think that's right. Part of the trouble is that there are now two separate flame wars going on in both directions, the traditional Con vs Lab and the new Con vs Kipper. If one skips all posts giving nasty opinions on other posters, one can save both time and aggravation (it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, most of us don't care).

    Back on topic: it seems reasonable to assume that if UKIP is mobilising previous non-voters, they're the sort of people who would have turned up their noses at online panels about politics a few years ago. So perhaps the phone polls are more accurate in today's climate? do the panels keep refreshig their memebership?

    Seems like it's UKIP v the rest at times but I am sure others disagree.

    I hardly bothered to look in during the referendum, it was unreadable for me and today is no different. I'm sure many will point to me as not contributing much, I initially started off just pointing out to Tim he wasn't always right and ended up in a few spats with other people.

    Not sure why I bother to post or even look in, sure others feel the same!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,893
    Owen Patterson set to call for EU exit in speech tomorrow, a future leader of the No to EU campaign?
    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/536629955040673793
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  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    AndyJS said:

    UKIP in second place? Are we talking about a voodoo poll here?

    Caution required. The Express is a supporter of ukip.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Charles said:

    Once upon a time this was a pleasant site. In and amongst reasoned discussions of politics and polling, there'd be diversions into any number of abstruse and eclectic issues, from the formation of Saxon languages to the Irish Question in the time of Gladstone to hi-tech gadgetry. These discussions and diversions were possible because of a level of civility, tolerance and self-restraint which quite simply doesn't now exist.

    Rather than advancing with age, it is as if pbc has gone from the SCR to the playground.

    Most of the time it's ok. Sadly, once one person kicks off, others respond in kind and it is ruined for the evening
    Think that's right. Part of the trouble is that there are now two separate flame wars going on in both directions, the traditional Con vs Lab and the new Con vs Kipper. If one skips all posts giving nasty opinions on other posters, one can save both time and aggravation (it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, most of us don't care).

    Back on topic: it seems reasonable to assume that if UKIP is mobilising previous non-voters, they're the sort of people who would have turned up their noses at online panels about politics a few years ago. So perhaps the phone polls are more accurate in today's climate? do the panels keep refreshig their memebership?

    Only 2? You forget the claim by kippers to be the true religion of the white (of course it had to be) working class. Hence flaggate closely followed by the Labour response Klassgate and the interlinked Hamiltongate and a counter response from the Mail of beveragegate.
    So you need to add in your own flame war.

    But the bottom line is its all based on nonsense by the nonsensical.


  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    The Labour leader is facing mounting criticism over his sacking of shadow minister Emily Thornberry over her ‘snobby’ tweet of a family home draped in England flags last week.

    Former welfare minister Frank Field said the incident was ‘the most serious thing that has happened’ to Labour - ‘because it gives vent to what everybody’s guts are telling them about us’.

    Labour shadow cabinet minister Rachel Reeves added that the gaffe had harmed Labour's chances of winning the next election.

    She said: 'I was angry when I saw it, because I am working hard, as are other Labour MPs and activists around the country, trying to get a Labour government back in six months time and she set that process back.'

    It came after Mr Field accused the Labour leader of surrounding himself with a clique of wealthy out-of-touch aides and MPs who did not understand ordinary workers.

    He said: ‘It’s the north London set we’ve got to control. They are a Berlin Wall trying to prevent us reaching out to our voters and like the Berlin Wall they’ve got to be demolished.'

    Mr Field added: ‘Ed’s trying to move us on immigration and welfare and with one blast of a tweet she wrecks that and puts us back to square one. The real problem we have is that there’s a whole group of them.’

    His remarks came as fellow Labour MP David Lammy - who grew up on a council estate close to Tottenham's infamous Broadwater Farm – said the party had ‘lost touch’ with ordinary voters.

    He said: ‘By and large, modern Labour politicians come from liberal, professional backgrounds.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846174/
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Financier said:

    The Labour leader is facing mounting criticism over his sacking of shadow minister Emily Thornberry over her ‘snobby’ tweet of a family home draped in England flags last week.

    Former welfare minister Frank Field said the incident was ‘the most serious thing that has happened’ to Labour - ‘because it gives vent to what everybody’s guts are telling them about us’.

    Labour shadow cabinet minister Rachel Reeves added that the gaffe had harmed Labour's chances of winning the next election.

    She said: 'I was angry when I saw it, because I am working hard, as are other Labour MPs and activists around the country, trying to get a Labour government back in six months time and she set that process back.'

    It came after Mr Field accused the Labour leader of surrounding himself with a clique of wealthy out-of-touch aides and MPs who did not understand ordinary workers.

    He said: ‘It’s the north London set we’ve got to control. They are a Berlin Wall trying to prevent us reaching out to our voters and like the Berlin Wall they’ve got to be demolished.'

    Mr Field added: ‘Ed’s trying to move us on immigration and welfare and with one blast of a tweet she wrecks that and puts us back to square one. The real problem we have is that there’s a whole group of them.’

    His remarks came as fellow Labour MP David Lammy - who grew up on a council estate close to Tottenham's infamous Broadwater Farm – said the party had ‘lost touch’ with ordinary voters.

    He said: ‘By and large, modern Labour politicians come from liberal, professional backgrounds.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846174/

    Very astute remarks by Frank Field as is nearly always the case.
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