One comment on Emily Thornberry's tweet said "Don't worry, Emily. It's only a working-class person. Some of them are actually quite nice."
Any bet on which paper will have a quote from the "hard-working father of three", who used to vote Labour but would never think of it now?
I can't remember who said it (Tebbit?) but I recall a speech once about the sea-change in Labour in the 1970s.
The old Labour generation were patriotic Christain socialists. Then came the 1960s, the cultural-revolution, and the rise of cultural-marxism, and middle-class left-wing activists (often products of grammar schools themselves) colonised the party in the 1970s and 1980s.
It took a while for them to achieve supremacy, but as they aligned themselves with economic modernisation, they came to shadow power in the mid-late 80s under Kinnock, post the SDP peak, and to real power under Blair in 1997.
The same also went into universities, schools, charities, unions and NGOs over the same. Which might explain why there's so much group-think there, and why the Right has lost so many of the socio-cultural arguments of the last 30 years.
Mr. Royale, it's a shade quis custodiet ipsos custodes. Once you've got 'right-minded' people in positions of authority, you don't need to pose an argument, merely proclaim the 'correct' position.
It's similar to the way the left's changed political language. There's less 'spending' and more 'investment'. The definition of poverty has been twisted so that even if everybody in the country had food to eat, clothes to wear, energy and little luxuries now and then poverty, as defined by some, would still exist.
'Ran for Parliament' will never look bad on a CV. You'll move up the queue for a more winnable seat, you'll make lots of friends, have some interesting experiences and have something to tell your grandkids about one day.
Oh FFS - apparently there's a petition up to remove Myleene Klass as face of Littlewoods.
Who are these people?
They are the very scary po-faced Left who will brook no criticism of the Glorious Leader or of the handed-down-from-on-high-on-stone-tablets Mansion Tax.
Looking good for the election campaign. Maybe they can spend four weeks getting together a petition against all those people not voting for the Glorious Leader?
'Ran for Parliament' will never look bad on a CV. You'll move up the queue for a more winnable seat, you'll make lots of friends, have some interesting experiences and have something to tell your grandkids about one day.
'Ran for Parliament' will never look bad on a CV. You'll move up the queue for a more winnable seat, you'll make lots of friends, have some interesting experiences and have something to tell your grandkids about one day.
Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC
I have the chance to stand against Thornberry for ukip... Shall I take up the challenge?
If you can't land a plum spot (B&SE Thurrock) do your time by going for an unwinnable seat such as Islington. You won't have a chance in hell there but you can raise your personal profile and lay digs on Labour there.
My friend who is now a London Tory councillor started off by going for St Michael's ward in Coventry which is basically unwinnable for the Cons there.
In short - Yes !
Well the reason I support arsenal is because my grandparents are from Islington... Essex Road in fact, is that in the constituency?
And it is a lovely area!
If you ever seriously want to become an MP, I'd definitely go for it. Aside from anything else the experience of being a PPC (assuming you were to campaign even semi-seriously) is fairly unique. You'd be in a much better spot for any future run in a more winnable seat if you'd gone through the motions of managing a campaign team, seeking out local media, and serious amounts of door-knocking for weeks on end.
If you don't have any aspirations in that direction at all, I'd still seriously consider it. It could be fun, and you'd doubtless be left with some good stories.
Cheers, yes I am serious. I passed the assessment to can apply for a seat... Badly want Hornchurch and Upminster but that has gone, so maybe a dry run in an unwinnable first!
Tories are so bigoted a Labour MP is not allowed to tweet photos on the campaign trail.
A look at Emily Thornberry's feed show's she's been tweeting a few photos today.
The reaction to her tweet is bizarre. People are reading all sorts of things into it that simply aren't there - just projecting their own prejudices about Labour onto it.
Erm, I've usually been quick to judge the sneery metropolitan-ness of some of Labour's frontbench, but I have to say I'd laugh at someone who flew 3 St George's flags as well. They'd just come across as a prat, in the same way as someone who puts really gaudy Christmas lights on their house.
'Ran for Parliament' will never look bad on a CV. You'll move up the queue for a more winnable seat, you'll make lots of friends, have some interesting experiences and have something to tell your grandkids about one day.
I've lived in a northern "white working class" town all my life, and have hardly ever seen anyone put an English flag on their house when the World Cup's not on. It's a very southern thing, in my experience.
Erm, I've usually been quick to judge the sneery metropolitan-ness of some of Labour's frontbench, but I have to say I'd laugh at someone who flew 3 St George's flags as well. They'd just come across as a prat, in the same way as someone who puts really gaudy Christmas lights on their house.
But who is laughing at them? Not the original tweeter who simply posted the image without comment...
I've lived in a northern "white working class" town all my life, and have hardly ever seen anyone put an English flag on their house when the World Cup's not on. It's a very southern thing, in my experience.
Tories are so bigoted a Labour MP is not allowed to tweet photos on the campaign trail.
A look at Emily Thornberry's feed show's she's been tweeting a few photos today.
The reaction to her tweet is bizarre. People are reading all sorts of things into it that simply aren't there - just projecting their own prejudices about Labour onto it.
I've lived in a northern "white working class" town all my life, and have hardly ever seen anyone put an English flag on their house when the World Cup's not on. It's a very southern thing, in my experience.
Erm, I've usually been quick to judge the sneery metropolitan-ness of some of Labour's frontbench, but I have to say I'd laugh at someone who flew 3 St George's flags as well. They'd just come across as a prat, in the same way as someone who puts really gaudy Christmas lights on their house.
Is that a winning formula, calling your potential voters prats?
You can dismiss is all you want but it's all over the news.
I have the chance to stand against Thornberry for ukip... Shall I take up the challenge?
Are any kippers going to the drink tmrw? We can plot to take back Islington!!
Go for it isam. I think you'd make a fine candidate for Islington. My grandparents lived on Upper Street so I know the area well from my misspent childhood. You might even do very well indeed if, as hoped, there is a major UKIP surge at the GE.
That chap's 4 years old than Alexander when he commanded the cavalry at Chaeronea, and 5 older than the Black Prince when he led the English at Crecy. Clearly old enough to stand for a Parliamentary seat.
That chap's 4 years old than Alexander when he commanded the cavalry at Chaeronea, and 5 older than the Black Prince when he led the English at Crecy. Clearly old enough to stand for a Parliamentary seat.
He is a former Tory councillor too !
Astounding at 22 years old to manage that one tbh.
I've lived in a northern "white working class" town all my life, and have hardly ever seen anyone put an English flag on their house when the World Cup's not on. It's a very southern thing, in my experience.
I saw it more often when I lived in Yorkshire than when I lived in either the home counties or London.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I've lived in a northern "white working class" town all my life, and have hardly ever seen anyone put an English flag on their house when the World Cup's not on. It's a very southern thing, in my experience.
I saw it more often when I lived in Yorkshire than when I lived in either the home counties or London.
It is round here a fair bit, that and the white rose. Not in Sheffield itself, but outside in the towns for sure.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
Tories are so bigoted a Labour MP is not allowed to tweet photos on the campaign trail.
A look at Emily Thornberry's feed show's she's been tweeting a few photos today.
The reaction to her tweet is bizarre. People are reading all sorts of things into it that simply aren't there - just projecting their own prejudices about Labour onto it.
Taken in isolation, I would agree with you, and I don't think she intended offence. Unfortunately for her she followed it up with a photo of the monster raving looneys and the caption "Vote for REAL looney party" https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/535467871074516992
It does show that Labour have a real problem when a Labour MP sends a photo of an apparent working class family home bedecked with English flags and people immediately assume she is taking the p***
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
"It will be like a school trip - except you won't be coming back..."
Tories are so bigoted a Labour MP is not allowed to tweet photos on the campaign trail.
A look at Emily Thornberry's feed show's she's been tweeting a few photos today.
The reaction to her tweet is bizarre. People are reading all sorts of things into it that simply aren't there - just projecting their own prejudices about Labour onto it.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
Until the polls close in Rochester, here's some fresh 2016 material, Chris Christie has another N.J problem and Rand Paul has breakfast with Al Sharpton:
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
The average Kipper won't want some kid representing them, who got there through a diversity quota. This PC gimmick has cost UKIP the seat.
After Thornberry's apology I expect EdM will have told her to stick one of those flaggy things out of every one of her manty windows.. I bet the neighbours will object tho..
There won't be too much damage from the Thornberry tweet. In a few hours the media will be banging on about a historic UKIP victory (probably), and the Conservatives will be deciding whether the margin of loss warrants collective suicide.
There won't be too much damage from the Thornberry tweet. In a few hours the media will be banging on about a historic UKIP victory (probably), and the Conservatives will be deciding whether the margin of loss warrants collective suicide.
She's been forced to apologise. I'm surprised she didn't need the heimlich manoeuvre to prevent her choking.
Pity there aren't more PBers from the Rochester area. It'd be nice to have some more information/gossip on how things are going there, re. turnout for instance.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
The average Kipper won't want some kid representing them, who got there through a diversity quota. This PC gimmick has cost UKIP the seat.
Rubbish for 3 reason's: One: He's a new face in politics, with no baggage Two: He's also an elected local county councilor Three: Boston can be regarded as UKIP territory after the locals, the european elections and a constituency poll showed.
But Kelly Tolhurst had 1&2 too, but we knew she had a mountain to climb and she has proven to be not up to it. We have too see if that boy is up to it so feel free, he has his own youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4HuwCw2hlzAPaZyOcznRng
You only have to travel to London working class areas like Eltham, Barking, Dagenham etc to regularly see the flag of St George on display.
And this Labour MP "has never seen anything like it"?
It'd be like Cruddas claiming to be unaware of the existence of women wearing Burkas.
Yes, her apology and reaction was worse than the Tweet and confirmed the impression, which was all inference up to that point, that she was a member of an alien Islingtonian species having a close encounter with the working class. Why on Earth didn't she say something like 'I was just Tweeting pics of all the lovely places in Rochester I've had the privilege to visit while canvassing for our excellent candidate, if you must know i thought it was rather a touching display of patriotism, putting up 3 flags rather than one'?
After all, it's all in the implication - if Farage tweeted the exact same thing it would be seen as solidarity with Rochester's flag hangers.
If you can't afford children, don't have them. You don't have a right to have your lifestyle choices funded by other taxpayers.
I dont think anyone is arguing that it's a right. Society has taken the view that it's better to have some of those costs shared though tax / tax credits. Personally I think that's a very sensible position. Good luck to the party who wants to abolish child benefits / tax credits, I suspect they'll need it.
There'll be a royal stink about whatever sweeties the government takes away. There always has been in the past.
We will get over it.
"It is one thing to deny the dog a bone, but another to take a bone away from the dog."
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
You only have to travel to London working class areas like Eltham, Barking, Dagenham etc to regularly see the flag of St George on display.
And this Labour MP "has never seen anything like it"?
It'd be like Cruddas claiming to be unaware of the existence of women wearing Burkas.
Yes, her apology and reaction was worse than the Tweet and confirmed the impression, which was all inference up to that point, that she was a member of an alien Islingtonian species having a close encounter with the working class. Why on Earth didn't she say something like 'I was just Tweeting pics of all the lovely places in Rochester I've had the privilege to visit while canvassing for our excellent candidate, if you must know i thought it was rather a touching display of patriotism, putting up 3 flags rather than one'?
After all, it's all in the implication - if Farage tweeted the exact same thing it would be seen as solidarity with Rochester's flag hangers.
Good point, but the poor woman was forced into it by the likes of Watson and Danczuk, who were clearly ramping up this issue to take a swipe at Ed. This could be Ed's big moment tonight - the British Right irrecoverably split and the Tories in disarray - and some of his own MPs are intent on ruining it!
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
The average Kipper won't want some kid representing them, who got there through a diversity quota. This PC gimmick has cost UKIP the seat.
Rubbish for 3 reason's: One: He's a new face in politics, with no baggage Two: He's also an elected local county councilor Three: Boston can be regarded as UKIP territory after the locals, the european elections and a constituency poll showed.
But Kelly Tolhurst had 1&2 too, but we knew she had a mountain to climb and she has proven to be not up to it. We have too see if that boy is up to it so feel free, he has his own youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4HuwCw2hlzAPaZyOcznRng
You only have to travel to London working class areas like Eltham, Barking, Dagenham etc to regularly see the flag of St George on display.
And this Labour MP "has never seen anything like it"?
It'd be like Cruddas claiming to be unaware of the existence of women wearing Burkas.
Yes, her apology and reaction was worse than the Tweet and confirmed the impression, which was all inference up to that point, that she was a member of an alien Islingtonian species having a close encounter with the working class. Why on Earth didn't she say something like 'I was just Tweeting pics of all the lovely places in Rochester I've had the privilege to visit while canvassing for our excellent candidate, if you must know i thought it was rather a touching display of patriotism, putting up 3 flags rather than one'?
After all, it's all in the implication - if Farage tweeted the exact same thing it would be seen as solidarity with Rochester's flag hangers.
Good point, but the poor woman was forced into it by the likes of Watson and Danczuk, who were clearly ramping up this issue to take a swipe at Ed. This could be Ed's big moment tonight - the British Right irrecoverably split and the Tories in disarray - and some of his own MPs are intent on ruining it!
It's a view but I'd bet you a tenner that the papers tomorrow won't be talking about Miliband's great victory.
17% in the polls in R&C. Would that be Labour's worst result in decades?
One comment on Emily Thornberry's tweet said "Don't worry, Emily. It's only a working-class person. Some of them are actually quite nice."
Any bet on which paper will have a quote from the "hard-working father of three", who used to vote Labour but would never think of it now?
I can't remember who said it (Tebbit?) but I recall a speech once about the sea-change in Labour in the 1970s.
The old Labour generation were patriotic Christain socialists. Then came the 1960s, the cultural-revolution, and the rise of cultural-marxism, and middle-class left-wing activists (often products of grammar schools themselves) colonised the party in the 1970s and 1980s.
It took a while for them to achieve supremacy, but as they aligned themselves with economic modernisation, they came to shadow power in the mid-late 80s under Kinnock, post the SDP peak, and to real power under Blair in 1997.
The same also went into universities, schools, charities, unions and NGOs over the same. Which might explain why there's so much group-think there, and why the Right has lost so many of the socio-cultural arguments of the last 30 years.
So much so. Then they colonised the upper reaches of the Conservative Party.
I'm white, male, middle class, Christian, moderately socially conservative. 25 years ago, I thought the State (in its widest sense) was on my side, bar a few loony left councils and teaching unions. Now I know it isn't (bar the armed forces).
The interesting thing about the UKIP candidate in Boston is that he probably went to secondary school with the children of immigrants from Eastern Europe so he'll understand how to campaign in a way that doesn't put them off.
I'm impressed, he's a local county councilor at just the age of 20. He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
The average Kipper won't want some kid representing them, who got there through a diversity quota. This PC gimmick has cost UKIP the seat.
Nonsense. They'll be queuing up to give him Werthers' Originals.
Has Hancock indicated that he will actually stand in Portsmouth South as an independent?
Given he lost his council seat (despite the LibDems standing down) at the last election, he must surely know that he'd be completely doomed if he stood.
If he has any sense (which he obviously doesn't) he would stand down at the next election, and quietly disappear.
Portsmouth South, as an aside, should be an exciting result at the next GE. The LibDems 'won it' at the locals, but UKIP's presence is strong and growing. It could down for who's tactically voting against who...
Are UKIP seriously going to put a twenty two year political twonk with limited life experience up for election? What happened to the 'different kind of politics' that used to be their unique selling point?
Coupled with O Flynns falling out with their puppet master rich backers, they look just like all the others.
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The old Labour generation were patriotic Christain socialists. Then came the 1960s, the cultural-revolution, and the rise of cultural-marxism, and middle-class left-wing activists (often products of grammar schools themselves) colonised the party in the 1970s and 1980s.
It took a while for them to achieve supremacy, but as they aligned themselves with economic modernisation, they came to shadow power in the mid-late 80s under Kinnock, post the SDP peak, and to real power under Blair in 1997.
The same also went into universities, schools, charities, unions and NGOs over the same. Which might explain why there's so much group-think there, and why the Right has lost so many of the socio-cultural arguments of the last 30 years.
It's similar to the way the left's changed political language. There's less 'spending' and more 'investment'. The definition of poverty has been twisted so that even if everybody in the country had food to eat, clothes to wear, energy and little luxuries now and then poverty, as defined by some, would still exist.
It's a no-brainer.
'Ran for Parliament' will never look bad on a CV. You'll move up the queue for a more winnable seat, you'll make lots of friends, have some interesting experiences and have something to tell your grandkids about one day.
Do it.
Looking good for the election campaign. Maybe they can spend four weeks getting together a petition against all those people not voting for the Glorious Leader?
I've just sent you an email (diplomacy)
A tenner says Emily Thornberry is on a Ukip leaflet in a northern Labour heartland by Sunday."
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ
Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC
Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC
Ukip have selected their candidate for Boston & Skegness, a top target and number 16 on Ukip-friendly list. It is @CllrRobinHC
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simon Danczuk ?
You can dismiss is all you want but it's all over the news.
'I’ve got a £50 bet on the Conservatives winning so I hope I will be able to wipe the smile off the bookmakers’ face later."'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2014/nov/20/polls-rochester-strood-byelection-mark-reckless-ukip-live
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/exclusive-ukip-confirms-candidate-for-boston-and-skegness-1-6429680
Astounding at 22 years old to manage that one tbh.
tom_watson@tom_watson·2 mins2 minutes ago
I look forward to seeing Emily Thornberry apologise for being snooty. Too much of that about these days.
"It was a house completely covered in England flags, from top to bottom, so you couldn’t even see out of the windows.
“I’ve never seen a house like that before,"
Righto.
I hope they were on the ballot paper.
H/T BenM
It does show that Labour have a real problem when a Labour MP sends a photo of an apparent working class family home bedecked with English flags and people immediately assume she is taking the p***
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201409012152-0024115
He has a very high chance of becoming the youngest MP since the reform act of 1832.
Con: Caroline Ansell
Lab: Jake Lambert
LD: Stephen Lloyd
UKIP: Nigel Jones
Greens: Alex Hough
How do people so stupid gain high office?
Don't bother answering the above.
I apologise for any offence caused by the 3 flag picture. People should fly the England flag with pride!
In the meantime, the pigdog is really rubbing it in....
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/mark-reckless-already-arranging-return-to-commons-as-ukip-mp/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-tackles-chris-christies-pig-problem-no-not-what-youre-thinking/
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/rand-paul-meets-with-al-sharpton-on-crime-issues-113061.html?hp=l3_4
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/11243227/Argentina-rules-all-public-transport-must-state-The-Falklands-are-Argentina.html
I apologise for any offence caused by the 3 flag picture. People should fly the England flag with pride!
The usual 'offence' rubbish, a faux apology.
He is (was?) the Deputy Leader of UKIP for the council and is more senior than his Dad who is councillor for Skeggy North !!!
One: He's a new face in politics, with no baggage
Two: He's also an elected local county councilor
Three: Boston can be regarded as UKIP territory after the locals, the european elections and a constituency poll showed.
But Kelly Tolhurst had 1&2 too, but we knew she had a mountain to climb and she has proven to be not up to it.
We have too see if that boy is up to it so feel free, he has his own youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4HuwCw2hlzAPaZyOcznRng
So far he is very impressive on TV and Radio.
After all, it's all in the implication - if Farage tweeted the exact same thing it would be seen as solidarity with Rochester's flag hangers.
Keith Joseph
Portsmouth South for max comedy value please.
17% in the polls in R&C. Would that be Labour's worst result in decades?
You really don't get the meaning of this, do you....??
Don;t worry. The electorate will.
I'm white, male, middle class, Christian, moderately socially conservative. 25 years ago, I thought the State (in its widest sense) was on my side, bar a few loony left councils and teaching unions. Now I know it isn't (bar the armed forces).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England#mediaviewer/File:John_Ball_encouraging_Wat_Tyler_rebels_from_ca_1470_MS_of_Froissart_Chronicles_in_BL.jpg
If he has any sense (which he obviously doesn't) he would stand down at the next election, and quietly disappear.
Portsmouth South, as an aside, should be an exciting result at the next GE. The LibDems 'won it' at the locals, but UKIP's presence is strong and growing. It could down for who's tactically voting against who...
Is Lembit standing anywhere this time ?
Coupled with O Flynns falling out with their puppet master rich backers, they look just like all the others.
(£70 if you count the fuel to Newark and back I guess)
Good to know it could get a lot worse.