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    GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191

    Gadfly said:

    Here is an updated chart of the averaged YouGov polls during the last 12 months...

    http://www.mediafire.com/view/wdjmkap3wabhbwt/YouGov polls 12 months to 16 November 2014.jpg#

    The peaks and troughs of blue and purple lines tend to mirror each other, which points towards regular Tory/UKIP bed-hopping. However, over this 12-month period the averaged party shares have actually changed as follows...

    The Tory share has risen 0.2 points from 32 to 32.2
    The Labour share has fallen 5.4 points from 39.8 to 33.4
    The LibDem share has fallen 2.6 points from 9.6 to 7
    The UKIP share has risen 4 points from 12 to 16

    One of the peculiar factors about these graphs is that they don't show Tory-UKIP bed hopping at all.
    Here is a rather crude version of my chart that hopefully explains my point about bed-hopping.

    I recognise that the long-term trend says otherwise, but those peaks and troughs definitely mirror each other.

    http://www.mediafire.com/view/q23vqo3od3y8o8b/audreyanne.jpg#

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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    Are they natural conservatives who also desperately want independence?

    In which case they're like the natural Labour voters switching to UKIP, wanting less immigration and us out of the EU, while disagreeing with UKIP on everything else?
    And if this is right, are you saying that no natural conservatives, who vote SNP to get out of the UK, could possibly abandon the SNP if Sturgeon drags them further left than Salmond did?
    Good morning.

    What is the SNP if not a Scottish Socialist party; the only difference with Labour is that they want an independent socialist Scotland and labour depends on Scottish seats for a majority.
    Under Sturgeon, who is of the radical left, the SNP will become ever more Red.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,329

    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
    JJ, Monica always insults me , it is de rigueur for her. Be interesting to see what bollox reply you get from her
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    Are they natural conservatives who also desperately want independence?

    In which case they're like the natural Labour voters switching to UKIP, wanting less immigration and us out of the EU, while disagreeing with UKIP on everything else?
    And if this is right, are you saying that no natural conservatives, who vote SNP to get out of the UK, could possibly abandon the SNP if Sturgeon drags them further left than Salmond did?
    Afraid I don't spend as much time thinking deeply about it as you obviously do. As they are at present the Tories are insignificant in Scotland and will remain so as long as they are London puppets. Labour are nasty , greedy self seeking liars and people have finally found that it is in their interests to vote for people who care about Scotland rather than just vote against the Tories.
    I spent two minutes thinking, not particularly deeply, about it. It's not that hard to consider whether the opinions of someone with different political leanings to me, even if I dislike their online persona, have any validity.
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    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
    Malcolm voted for Margaret Thatcher, repeatedly, he's a definitive Tartan Tory.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Sir John Major putting Marr in his place and putting forward the case of subsidiarity which is written into the EU Agreement but has been by-passed by the Commission. .
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,329

    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
    Malcolm voted for Margaret Thatcher, repeatedly, he's a definitive Tartan Tory.
    Bet you are a Tony Blair lover Monica, you and him could be cheeks of the same arse no problem
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,329

    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
    Malcolm voted for Margaret Thatcher, repeatedly, he's a definitive Tartan Tory.
    LOL, if you were pinocchio you would not get your nose through the door
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Financier said:

    Sir John Major putting Marr in his place and putting forward the case of subsidiarity which is written into the EU Agreement but has been by-passed by the Commission. .

    Major, trying his best to trash UKIP on Marr; epic fail. You can almost taste his fear of a free and independent Britain outside the EU.
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    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
    Malcolm voted for Margaret Thatcher, repeatedly, he's a definitive Tartan Tory.
    Bet you are a Tony Blair lover Monica, you and him could be cheeks of the same arse no problem
    I note your addiction to George Galloway rhetoric, so much better than Eck's blustering humbug.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,329

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    If Tories vote tactically for the SNP then they become, for the purpose of that election count, SNP voters. They were the SNP voters I was referring to, and those that I presumed would come under the "tartan Tories" grouping.

    What are these "tartan Tories", if not that?

    "tartan Tories" is just an insult , it does not relate to real people. Labour used it to try and denegrate the SNP and hide their uselessness. As we see nowadays they are not doing it very successfully.
    So Moniker wasn't referring to a real group of people, he just said what he did to insult you and all other true Scots?

    Is this true @MonikerDiCanio‌ ? Or can you help poor Malc (and me) with a definition of "tartan Tories"?
    Malcolm voted for Margaret Thatcher, repeatedly, he's a definitive Tartan Tory.
    Bet you are a Tony Blair lover Monica, you and him could be cheeks of the same arse no problem
    I note your addiction to George Galloway rhetoric, so much better than Eck's blustering humbug.
    are you on drugs, how did you jump from the topic to Galloway. Beginning to think you are actually an automated answering machine, certainly not human.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    MikeK said:

    Financier said:

    Sir John Major putting Marr in his place and putting forward the case of subsidiarity which is written into the EU Agreement but has been by-passed by the Commission. .

    Major, trying his best to trash UKIP on Marr; epic fail. You can almost taste his fear of a free and independent Britain outside the EU.
    Either you did not listen or do not understand. Subsidiarity is the principle that all things are decided by national governments unless there is a extra-special case where a EU decision is required. Sir John was saying that the Commission had over-ridden this principle that is written into the EU agreement and it needed to be brought back to the fore.

    Also he said that he knew what UKIP is against but not what it stands for except on the EU and immigration. That is not trashing but asking a legitimate question - perhaps you might like to write an open letter to him and fill in the gaps on the other matters of policy.
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