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Mevagissey on Cornwall (Lab Defence)
Result of council at last election (2013): Independents 37, Liberal Democrats 36, Conservatives 31, Labour 8, UKIP 6, Mebyon Kernow 4, Green 1 (No Overall Control, Independents short by 25)
Result of ward at last election (2013): Labour 391 (30%), UKIP 363 (28%), Conservative 316 (24%), Liberal Democrats 184 (14%), Green 62 (7%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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dr_spyn

First.

o/t Plodsters demonstrate pepper spray to and on kids.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29944507

Another accidental discharge...

Scott_P

Ed only 2nd story on ITV news. Must do better, although Matt is pretty good tomorrow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

TheScreamingEagles

The Times editorial is urging Labour not to ditch Ed.

My subscription to The Times will definitely be renewed after that.

Scott_P

@iainmartin1: Shocking scenes here at the DUEMA (Don't Underestimate Ed Mili Association) emergency meeting… chaos… word is Gordon Brown speaking next.

Scrapheap_as_was

Just back in...

Phew -

Spurs held on against those Greek Champions League winning prospects, Fazio sent off AGAIN, and Ed's still in situ....

kle4

Cornwall not following the national script then? Who would have guessed.

Cornwall Council looks like a very interesting one. I believe at one point they only had 1 Labour member out of 120 or so, which must have been a lonely time, but now the council seems to have a good mix of larger and smaller groups.

bigjohnowls

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Times editorial is urging Labour not to ditch Ed.

My subscription to The Times will definitely be renewed after that.

You could really do with a more manly bag.

Much better than a subscription to that rag.

SandyRentool

@TheWatcher asked "You want the Labour Party to split?"

Not in the sense of a break-away party (SDP Mark 2), but I would like people who do not share the values of the party to let their memberships lapse, those in elected office decide to retire and either find another party better suited to them or exit politics altogether.

TheScreamingEagles

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Times editorial is urging Labour not to ditch Ed.

My subscription to The Times will definitely be renewed after that.

You could really do with a more manly bag.

Much better than a subscription to that rag.

I'm never ditching the Times.

It is the reason why I became guest editor of PB.

bigjohnowls

Scott_P said:

@iainmartin1: Shockinhe's scenes here at the DUEMA (Don't Underestimate Ed Mili Association) emergency meeting… chaos… word is Gordon Brown speaking next.

I am a member of the splinter group. EICBHOC. Ed is crap but hes our crap

Scrapheap_as_was

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

Scott_P

Earlier this week Simon Danczuk, the labour MP for Rochdale, is understood to have told David Watts, the head of the Parliamentary Labour Party, that it is time for Mr Miliband to go. Three other MPs are said to have done the same.

Ian Austin, the Labour MP for Dudley North, is also said to have told friends that it is time for Mr Miliband to go.

One Labour MP said that Mr Miliband's leadership crisis is the "talk of the tea room" and that there are "dozens" of labour MPs preparing to formally request his resignation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11214886/Ed-Miliband-How-Labour-rebels-turned-on-their-leader.html

TheScreamingEagles

It's lucky for Ed, Daniel Levy isn't in charge of hiring and firing Labour leaders.

Ed Miliband = Christian Gross?

bigjohnowls

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Times editorial is urging Labour not to ditch Ed.

My subscription to The Times will definitely be renewed after that.

You could really do with a more manly bag.

Much better than a subscription to that rag.

I'm never ditching the Times.

It is the reason why I became guest editor of PB.

Really I thought Mike just liked your shoes.
It's all down to the Paywall is it.
You are my favourite guest editor.
Are there any others btw?

isam

@Flightpath

Yes Harold Wood Hospital was closed in 2006 and is going to be used to house Newham overspill, as are the new flats at Queens, and the land at St Georges in Hornchurch.

You are right, £260m was spent building Queens Hospital wto replace Oldchurch.. money well spent you think?

"The trust running Queen’s Hospital has been put into special measures after a watchdog issued a damning report exposing unsafe A&Es, understaffing, long waiting times and poor planning."

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/health/queen_s_hospital_trust_put_into_special_measures_after_damning_cqc_report_1_3124079

'Boy with broken arm uses floor for bed at busy Queen’s Hospital

Ms Ahmed added: “He was treated like he was an animal.”'

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/health/pictured_boy_with_broken_arm_uses_floor_for_bed_at_busy_queen_s_hospital_1_3835970

So the Hospitals are already shocking, and in a mess, there will be fewer of them soon, as King Georges A&E is closing and more people are being housed on the sites of the old ones, despite pleas from local people that Boris chose to ignore

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/boris_snub_is_such_an_insult_claims_harold_wood_residents_1_778766

My mates wife gave birth in Queens last week, and came home rather than stay the night in what she described as a prison... this was her 3rd child. When she first gave birth at Queens they were using the disabled bogs to deliver children as they were so overcrowded

TheScreamingEagles

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Times editorial is urging Labour not to ditch Ed.

My subscription to The Times will definitely be renewed after that.

You could really do with a more manly bag.

Much better than a subscription to that rag.

I'm never ditching the Times.

It is the reason why I became guest editor of PB.

Really I thought Mike just liked your shoes.
It's all down to the Paywall is it.
You are my favourite guest editor.
Are there any others btw?

David Herdson, Double Carpet, and much lamented Morus have sat in the hot seat.

All three of us have come to the conclusion, Mike should never be allowed to go on holiday ever again.

bigjohnowls

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

bigjohnowls

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Times editorial is urging Labour not to ditch Ed.

My subscription to The Times will definitely be renewed after that.

You could really do with a more manly bag.

Much better than a subscription to that rag.

I'm never ditching the Times.

It is the reason why I became guest editor of PB.

Really I thought Mike just liked your shoes.
It's all down to the Paywall is it.
You are my favourite guest editor.
Are there any others btw?

David Herdson, Double Carpet, and much lamented Morus have sat in the hot seat.

All three of us have come to the conclusion, Mike should never be allowed to go on holiday ever again.

You are definitely in my top 3

philiph

bigjohnowls said:

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

Not sure his wife would allow him to defect.

bigjohnowls

Who was Morus?

Morus Dancer?

TheScreamingEagles

philiph said:

bigjohnowls said:

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

Not sure his wife would allow him to defect.

When it comes to his wife, I don't care, so long as she keeps on doing selfies

kle4

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Scott_P

@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 15%, GRN 7%

bigjohnowls

TheScreamingEagles said:

philiph said:

bigjohnowls said:

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

Not sure his wife would allow him to defect.

When it comes to his wife, I don't care, so long as she keeps on doing selfies

Harem material?

TheScreamingEagles

bigjohnowls said:

Who was Morus?

Morus Dancer?

Was a poster on PB then he grew up and got a job. He posted on the tenth anniversary thread.

He tipped at 50/1 Cathy Ashton as the EU Foreign Affairs Representative.

He also once blogged about meeting Lord Rennard

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2008/08/31/moruss-denver-diary-2/

Edit: The irony of that tip was, he was in America, and was unable to take advantage of his own tip

Scrapheap_as_was

TheScreamingEagles said:

It's lucky for Ed, Daniel Levy isn't in charge of hiring and firing Labour leaders.

Ed Miliband = Christian Gross?

Have you ever seen Gross and IDS in the same room though....

NickPalmer

Scott_P said:

@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 15%, GRN 7%

How peaceful.

TheScreamingEagles

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

philiph said:

bigjohnowls said:

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

Not sure his wife would allow him to defect.

When it comes to his wife, I don't care, so long as she keeps on doing selfies

Harem material?

I'll let you judge

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/08/karen-danczuk-labour-mps-wife-posts-revealing-selfies-on-twitter_n_5469683.html

Scott_P

@thetimes: Tomorrow's front page:
Secret plan for end of Miliband http://t.co/7pi8zi0pAy http://t.co/B0rEJsiERB

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

TheScreamingEagles said:

philiph said:

bigjohnowls said:

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

Not sure his wife would allow him to defect.

When it comes to his wife, I don't care, so long as she keeps on doing selfies

Indeed, and it is a win double because it annoys Louise Mensch into the bargain

chestnut

Another one pointer. Populus will probably be the same or a tie tomorrow

We're in a rut until Rochester, then Ozzie's autumn statement

philiph

NickPalmer said:

Scott_P said:

@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 15%, GRN 7%

How peaceful.

Much more than 29%. Milliband crisis over.

TheScreamingEagles

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

It's lucky for Ed, Daniel Levy isn't in charge of hiring and firing Labour leaders.

Ed Miliband = Christian Gross?

Have you ever seen Gross and IDS in the same room though....

Now that you mention it....

Luckyguy1983

bigjohnowls said:

Simon Danzuck what a surprise.
He is my number one potential Ukip defector.
He depths more than Socrates with right wing frothiness

It does seem to be a right wing insurgency -wasn't Ian Austin the one saying Labour should apologise for immigration recently?

Scrapheap_as_was

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated he might defect (especially in that weird UKIP PR stunt which ended up being a nobody contributor down in Somerset), absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

SquareRoot

NickPalmer said:

Scott_P said:

@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 15%, GRN 7%

How peaceful.

So what's going on then Mr Palmer???, you always have your ear to the ground. I mean you told us nothing was going on when Brown was being plotted against, is that still the case with the hapless ED?

TheScreamingEagles

Scott_P said:

@thetimes: Tomorrow's front page:
Secret plan for end of Miliband http://t.co/7pi8zi0pAy http://t.co/B0rEJsiERB

It's not that bloody secret.

It's all over the papers!

Scott_P

@SkyNews: MAIL FRONT PAGE: "Bonfire night plot to oust Ed" #skypapers http://t.co/799k5hCjto

TheScreamingEagles

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

Scrapheap_as_was

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (unless its Yvette)

2m Tim Montgomerie ✔ @montie
Tmrw's splash in @TheTimes: Secret plan for the end of Miliband pic.twitter.com/eGxSD8q2sR

isam

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Well at least you think he means it! A lot of people on here seem to think Farage has him gagged and bound at UKIP HQ and forces him to say things he doesn't mean on twitter when he lets him out to attend the HofC!

Scott_P

TheScreamingEagles said:

It's all over the papers!

Kudos to Lucy Powell !

TGOHF

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

TheScreamingEagles

Blimey

Two leading candidates to replace Ed Miliband have opened secret negotiations on what to do should he step down, according to senior figures in the Labour party.

Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, and Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, are said to have spoken about a post-Miliband future amid a growing revolt among Labour MPs.

“It’s about presenting a joint offer to make a contest unnecessary,” one figure said, suggesting that Ms Cooper and Mr Burnham have struck a non-aggression pact as the party’s poll ratings fall.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4260251.ece

bigjohnowls

Tonights YG ishmael X was right
EICiPM

Karen D bloody hell

I am a new follower don't tell Mrs BJ

Scrapheap_as_was

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

done - He can be the Ken Clarke figure in our party but in reverse.

Artist

The Times says Cooper and Burnham have formed a non aggression pact should Miliband leave.

So presumably Cooper will stand aside and let Burnham have a free run.

Scrapheap_as_was

isam said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Well at least you think he means it! A lot of people on here seem to think Farage has him gagged and bound at UKIP HQ and forces him to say things he doesn't mean on twitter when he lets him out to attend the HofC!

Sorry, you'll have to ask the UKIP MEPs about that.

Stark_Dawning

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Yes, very sad. It's also ironic that the man who invented elected police commissioners is rapidly turning himself into the Russell Brand of the hard right - a preening nihilist and rabble rouser.

Scott_P

Newsnight quoting un-named Labour figure. "We elected someone out of his depth. We can't go into the New Year like this"

RobD

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

done - He can be the Ken Clarke figure in our party but in reverse.

This sounds like a party I would join

john_zims

@kle4

'I'm beginning to turn on Carswell'

He does sound very fond of his own voice with the endless drivel he posts on twitter

TGOHF

Yvette will be Ed in a dress - can't belive Labour would elect another empty vessel.

Scrapheap_as_was

Artist said:

The Times says Cooper and Burnham have formed a non aggression pact should Miliband leave.

So presumably Cooper will stand aside and let Burnham have a free run.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FECK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YVETTE - come on if you are on PB as Hugh, Ave IT, Sunil or Socrates or whatever the ID, just make sure it's you who takes over from Ed!!!!

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

done - He can be the Ken Clarke figure in our party but in reverse.

This sounds like a party I would join

You're very welcome to join us.

philiph

TheScreamingEagles said:

Blimey

Two leading candidates to replace Ed Miliband have opened secret negotiations on what to do should he step down, according to senior figures in the Labour party.

Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, and Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, are said to have spoken about a post-Miliband future amid a growing revolt among Labour MPs.

“It’s about presenting a joint offer to make a contest unnecessary,” one figure said, suggesting that Ms Cooper and Mr Burnham have struck a non-aggression pact as the party’s poll ratings fall.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4260251.ece

Labour stitch ups, secret deals and coronations have a great recent success rate in leadership 'elections'

Never learn!

kle4

isam said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Well at least you think he means it! A lot of people on here seem to think Farage has him gagged and bound at UKIP HQ and forces him to say things he doesn't mean on twitter when he lets him out to attend the HofC!

I'm sure he may through gritted teeth have to force out some standard UKIP attack lines, or not comment on things within UKIP that do not accord with his own views, but I think his general tone is the passion of the converted, which in my experience can result in total lack of self awareness - in his case, while he was never fully comfortable before and was never going to be a compliant party hack, I don't think he hated every aspect of it as much as his current comments give the impression he surely must have, to the degree it seems impossible he stayed with the Conservatives as long as he did. I'm also sure he does still have good memories and friends among the Tories, but the level of his rhetoric naturally overlooks that much of the time.

TGOHF

john_zims said:

@kle4

'I'm beginning to turn on Carswell'

He does sound very fond of his own voice with the endless drivel he posts on twitter

Had to unfollow him - trite platitudes.

Scrapheap_as_was

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG ishmael X was right
EICiPM

Karen D bloody hell

I am a new follower don't tell Mrs BJ

It's scary that we blues know about these Labour ladies before their own camp do... that's probably not a good thing.

TheScreamingEagles

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG ishmael X was right
EICiPM

Karen D bloody hell

I am a new follower don't tell Mrs BJ

Note to self.

During my next stint as guest editor, I'll embed some tweets from her into the thread headers.

AndyJS

A stunningly bad report for Ed Miliband currently on Newsnight, presented by Allegra Stratton.

Scott_P

@MichaelPDeacon: "Only the other day I was walking in my local park when three of the Shadow Cabinet hit me with a spade and buried me by a tree"

isam

TGOHF said:

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

Eh?

Tykejohnno

Leah Kreitzman @lkreitzman

EU migrants add £20bn to economy in a decade. And a whole lot more that's unquantified. Great front page @Independent pic.twitter.com/Cod8izzVgB

The left really have lost it's soul,it's not always about money.

philiph

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG ishmael X was right
EICiPM

Karen D bloody hell

I am a new follower don't tell Mrs BJ

Note to self.

During my next stint as guest editor, I'll embed some tweets from her into the thread headers.

I missread that first time.

Tweets / Tits very easy to confuse.

Scott_P

@MSmithsonPB: My normally very helpful LAB inside source has gone quiet on me. Interesting

@MShapland: #Milicrisis not over yet - all sorts going on behind the scenes - failing to wield the knife is what did for Labour in 2010

kle4

If Labour figures are starting to worry about their own seats, have they got internal polling or something that is making them believe that, or are they just going through their own version of the regular Tory panics we've seen over the past 4 years, when large numbers lose their heads over a sustained difficult period. One good thing about being down in the polls several years ago I guess is the Tories have had time to acclimate to such numbers without panicking, whether they should be or not.

RobD

philiph said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

Tonights YG ishmael X was right
EICiPM

Karen D bloody hell

I am a new follower don't tell Mrs BJ

Note to self.

During my next stint as guest editor, I'll embed some tweets from her into the thread headers.

I missread that first time.

Tweets / Tits very easy to confuse.

*titter*


I'll get me coat....

TheScreamingEagles

Scott_P said:

@MSmithsonPB: My normally very helpful LAB inside source has gone quiet on me. Interesting

@MShapland: #Milicrisis not over yet - all sorts going on behind the scenes - failing to wield the knife is what did for Labour in 2010

Bloody hell has [moderated] gone silent.

Be afraid Ed, be very afraid.

SimonStClare

Scott_P said:

Ed only 2nd story on ITV news. Must do better, although Matt is pretty good tomorrow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

Only 2nd – that’s a little unfair on Lucy Powell - she's only been in the job one day.

nigel4england

TGOHF said:

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

You need a new TV, or better still a new brain.

john_zims

@Scott_P

Was that before he met Gareth senior in IT?

Scrapheap_as_was

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

done - He can be the Ken Clarke figure in our party but in reverse.

This sounds like a party I would join

You're very welcome to join us.

Simple questions to join:

Bercow = tosser or not as bad as people say

Reckless = pig-dog traitor or principled slap head

PB thread who you'd ignore = Ave It or Hugh

Answer those 3 correctly and you get a free membership card (after paying £10 to TSE and I)

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_P said:

@MSmithsonPB: My normally very helpful LAB inside source has gone quiet on me. Interesting

@MShapland: #Milicrisis not over yet - all sorts going on behind the scenes - failing to wield the knife is what did for Labour in 2010

Bloody hell has [moderated] gone silent.

Be afraid Ed, be very afraid.

Oh no! Not [moderated]!

Tykejohnno

Chris Gibson @ChrisGibsonNews

And even Norway's PM, Erna Solberg- an ally of Cameron - says freedom of movement is "ideologically important as a Conservative".

Chris Gibson @ChrisGibsonNews

Finnish PM Alex Stubb tells @bbcnickrobinson "UK should be rewarded with an EU medal for opening the borders unlike Germany, France"

MikeK

isam said:

TGOHF said:

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

Eh?

No, and QT has the usual rent a crowd gallery.

TheScreamingEagles

Just had a nibble on the 6/1 on Shadsy has on Ed not to be the Lab leader at the election

RobD

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

done - He can be the Ken Clarke figure in our party but in reverse.

This sounds like a party I would join

You're very welcome to join us.

Simple questions to join:

Bercow = tosser or not as bad as people say

Reckless = pig-dog traitor or principled slap head

PB thread who you'd ignore = Ave It or Hugh

Answer those 3 correctly and you get a free membership card (after paying £10 to TSE and I)

Easy - AAB... the cheque is in the post

Tykejohnno

nigel4england said:

TGOHF said:

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

You need a new TV, or better still a new brain.

Nigel,the front of the times should interest you,the top of the page story ;-)

http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/107846/the_times_thursday_6th_november_2014.html

kle4

Tykejohnno said:

Leah Kreitzman @lkreitzman

EU migrants add £20bn to economy in a decade. And a whole lot more that's unquantified. Great front page @Independent pic.twitter.com/Cod8izzVgB

The left really have lost it's soul,it's not always about money.

Quite so. I'm in an area where the number of Polish residents alone had an increase of more than 1000% (admittedly from a low base) between 2001 and 2011. Hasn't affected me in any way as far as I am aware, but I know for certain that large numbers of people round here would not give a damn about some economic figures talking up the positive impact of EU migrants, even if they accepted it as incontestable fact.

isam

Young kid in QT audience about Ed Miliband

"You can't polish a turd"

Scott_P

@BethRigby: RT "@JakeReesMogg: Mr Miliband is an outstanding Labour leader. He has rendered his party unelectable. #bbcqt” -> ouch + we'll see come 2015

TGOHF

nigel4england said:

TGOHF said:

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

You need a new TV, or better still a new brain.

Oh it's Melanie Philips - my bad.

Scott_P

@BBCNewsnight: Labour prob won't get rid of Miliband but "they are doomed": SNP, UKIP, Greens eating away at the vote, @jennirsl #newsnight

kle4

TGOHF said:

john_zims said:

@kle4

'I'm beginning to turn on Carswell'

He does sound very fond of his own voice with the endless drivel he posts on twitter

Had to unfollow him - trite platitudes.

Oh surely not, nothing but profound insights I am sure. You are probably just still too much in the thrall of mainstream media and the political class. Or something.

In all fairness, as long as he continues to speak his mind and throw out some ideas - some of which I like, some of which I don't - then he's contributing something meaningful to the national debate, which is a plus.

Flightpath

kle4 said:

isam said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Well at least you think he means it! A lot of people on here seem to think Farage has him gagged and bound at UKIP HQ and forces him to say things he doesn't mean on twitter when he lets him out to attend the HofC!

I'm sure he may through gritted teeth have to force out some standard UKIP attack lines, or not comment on things within UKIP that do not accord with his own views, but I think his general tone is the passion of the converted, which in my experience can result in total lack of self awareness - in his case, while he was never fully comfortable before and was never going to be a compliant party hack, I don't think he hated every aspect of it as much as his current comments give the impression he surely must have, to the degree it seems impossible he stayed with the Conservatives as long as he did. I'm also sure he does still have good memories and friends among the Tories, but the level of his rhetoric naturally overlooks that much of the time.

Who is using who? Either way, Carswell's logic is pretty warped.

nigel4england

Tykejohnno said:

nigel4england said:

TGOHF said:

Farage on QT - what a turn up for the books.

You need a new TV, or better still a new brain.

Nigel,the front of the times should interest you,the top of the page story ;-)

http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/107846/the_times_thursday_6th_november_2014.html

Excellent! Maidenhead is on the Bucks border and they have obviously seen how well the whole education system is performing in South Bucks.

Watching QT I think I detest Douglas Alexander more than any other politician, he is the kind of person who turns people off politics altogether.

He just said 'politics at it's best is all about finding solutions to problems', without being remotely self aware that most of the problems are caused by politicians in the first place.

manofkent2014

kle4 said:

If Labour figures are starting to worry about their own seats, have they got internal polling or something that is making them believe that, or are they just going through their own version of the regular Tory panics we've seen over the past 4 years, when large numbers lose their heads over a sustained difficult period. One good thing about being down in the polls several years ago I guess is the Tories have had time to acclimate to such numbers without panicking, whether they should be or not.

The Scottish polling currently takes it to a whole new level and that likely will have the biggest Labour beast remaining mighty disturbed (even though his own seat would likely survive). If Brown (whose foot soldiers are largely still in place) is moving against Miliband now then this could be serious for Miliband...........

TheScreamingEagles

In this piece I'm reading in the Times, Lab MPs think there's two things that will happen after the new year and continue to the election, which will make their position worse

1) Some 2010 LD to Lab switchers will go back to the LDs or go to the Greens

2) Some 2010 Con to UKIP switchers will go back to the Blues

So they think a polling situation of Con 35, Lab 27 isn't out of the question

Which would be a bigger Tory lead in 2015 than in 2010.

Scrapheap_as_was

RobD said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Watch the Rees Mogg video today (on the Telegraph site) and listen to a Tory who could easily be UKIP and indeed some speculated it might defect, absolutely destroy Reckless whilst being ever so polite about it and which you could apply to Carswell too. Rees Mogg is one EU headbanger I love, in a manly way.

It was great, his son was brilliant.

I'm prepared to let Jake Rees-Mogg join our new Dry but not obsessed with the EU and Gays Tory Party.

done - He can be the Ken Clarke figure in our party but in reverse.

This sounds like a party I would join

You're very welcome to join us.

Simple questions to join:

Bercow = tosser or not as bad as people say

Reckless = pig-dog traitor or principled slap head

PB thread who you'd ignore = Ave It or Hugh

Answer those 3 correctly and you get a free membership card (after paying £10 to TSE and I)

Easy - AAB... the cheque is in the post

Close enough - we're not that fussy. However the correct answer to the first question was both answers! As a resident in the people's republic of bercow I can see both sides - how liberal tory can you get!!!!

kle4

Flightpath said:

kle4 said:

isam said:

kle4 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

it's like the last 9 years never existed.... he could be an ex Labour Minister.

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
Banking crisis revealed banks no good at banking. Anti politics storm revealing established political parties no good at politics.

I'm beginning to turn on Carswell, primarily because while he did seem a more open, honest and direct MP before, he's beginning to get really smug sounding on things which, if he believes them now, why did he not 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, when he makes what he is now espousing seem so obvious. Finally waking up to the fact the party he was in was not for him, at least as it is currently led, which is fair enough, does not explain away the breadth of his comments or extent of his derision of old parties he was perfectly happy with before.

Well at least you think he means it! A lot of people on here seem to think Farage has him gagged and bound at UKIP HQ and forces him to say things he doesn't mean on twitter when he lets him out to attend the HofC!

I'm sure he may through gritted teeth have to force out some standard UKIP attack lines, or not comment on things within UKIP that do not accord with his own views, but I think his general tone is the passion of the converted, which in my experience can result in total lack of self awareness - in his case, while he was never fully comfortable before and was never going to be a compliant party hack, I don't think he hated every aspect of it as much as his current comments give the impression he surely must have, to the degree it seems impossible he stayed with the Conservatives as long as he did. I'm also sure he does still have good memories and friends among the Tories, but the level of his rhetoric naturally overlooks that much of the time.

Who is using who?

Hey, they're all grown ups here; I'm sure they are using each other, and welcome to do so, and for all I know it's working great, even if personally I think he needs to dial it down a notch in order to remain plausible.

Scott_P

Lucy scores another front page!

@politicshome: Tomorrow’s Independent front page: Miliband fights for his political life http://t.co/cWLAVf3QWl

kle4

isam said:

Young kid in QT audience about Ed Miliband

"You can't polish a turd"

Unkind of them. Honestly I don't see what is so bad about Ed M beyond being, apart from the occasional eye catching pronouncement, bland even by our political class' standards. Granted, not being able to inspire may be enough to rile up many in his own ranks getting concerned, but I am surprised at the level of disdain the polling shows for him.

Flightpath

isam said:

@Flightpath

Yes Harold Wood Hospital was closed in 2006 and is going to be used to house Newham overspill, as are the new flats at Queens, and the land at St Georges in Hornchurch.

You are right, £260m was spent building Queens Hospital wto replace Oldchurch.. money well spent you think?

"The trust running Queen’s Hospital has been put into special measures after a watchdog issued a damning report exposing unsafe A&Es, understaffing, long waiting times and poor planning."

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/health/queen_s_hospital_trust_put_into_special_measures_after_damning_cqc_report_1_3124079

'Boy with broken arm uses floor for bed at busy Queen’s Hospital

Ms Ahmed added: “He was treated like he was an animal.”'

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/health/pictured_boy_with_broken_arm_uses_floor_for_bed_at_busy_queen_s_hospital_1_3835970

So the Hospitals are already shocking, and in a mess, there will be fewer of them soon, as King Georges A&E is closing and more people are being housed on the sites of the old ones, despite pleas from local people that Boris chose to ignore

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/boris_snub_is_such_an_insult_claims_harold_wood_residents_1_778766

My mates wife gave birth in Queens last week, and came home rather than stay the night in what she described as a prison... this was her 3rd child. When she first gave birth at Queens they were using the disabled bogs to deliver children as they were so overcrowded

You can like or not like the new hospital and how Labour built it, but the fact that 2 hospitals closed and facilities provided in a new building elsewhere is not something of itself to be critical of. You are trying to roll all that up into some wider conspiracy.
For some reason you object to new houses being built. Thats your problem - amongst a lot of others.

Moses_

Scott_P said:

Newsnight quoting un-named Labour figure. "We elected someone out of his depth. We can't go into the New Year like this"

From what I can remember they didn't elect him Len appointed him to the gasps of the conference attendees.

TheScreamingEagles

kle4 said:

isam said:

Young kid in QT audience about Ed Miliband

"You can't polish a turd"

Unkind of them. Honestly I don't see what is so bad about Ed M beyond being, apart from the occasional eye catching pronouncement, bland even by our political class' standards. Granted, not being able to inspire may be enough to rile up many in his own ranks getting concerned, but I am surprised at the level of disdain the polling shows for him.

It is IDS syndrome.

He's someone who can't even inspire his own side, so the rest of the country won't back him either.

Sean_F

So, if Milliband is forced out, does it help or hinder Labour?

The Australians regularly chop and change leaders.

kle4

manofkent2014 said:

kle4 said:

If Labour figures are starting to worry about their own seats, have they got internal polling or something that is making them believe that, or are they just going through their own version of the regular Tory panics we've seen over the past 4 years, when large numbers lose their heads over a sustained difficult period. One good thing about being down in the polls several years ago I guess is the Tories have had time to acclimate to such numbers without panicking, whether they should be or not.

The Scottish polling currently takes it to a whole new level and that likely will have the biggest Labour beast remaining mighty disturbed (even though his own seat would likely survive). If Brown (whose foot soldiers are largely still in place) is moving against Miliband now then this could be serious for Miliband...........

In a way then the anti-Ed's must be thankful for the Scottish polling - it seems to be the only truly disastrous potentiality which has come forward which could act as a catalyst for change; merely having a poor conference and his personal polling not doing well would not manage that, but I guess the threat of losing Scotland could stir up more concrete trouble.

If he fights this off, as seems to be the consensus, and can keep a lid on future eruptions of malcontentedness, perhaps it will make him look strong. Then again, people still give him crap for taking on his brother, which as a younger brother myself I had no issue with.

TheScreamingEagles

Sean_F said:

So, if Milliband is forced out, does it help or hinder Labour?

The Australians regularly chop and change leaders.

Depends on who they select as his replacement.

Scott_P

It’s here at last. The long spasm of pointless division in the parliamentary Labour party. Senior sources (never junior ones) are out in force, enjoying the malicious freedom of anonymity. Something must be done

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/thunderer/article4260052.ece