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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Essex Boyz Rule - again!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Oh nice cartoon once again, Marf!
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 55m55 minutes ago
    New ComRes/ITV poll finds that UKIP rated as nastiest party ahead 2% ahead of CON.

    Interestingly in the same poll UKIP are 3% ahead of the Tories for "Stands up for people like me" , is level with the Tories for "Has a strong leader" and is only 8% behind them for "Has the best policies for Britain's future".

    Proves you can cherry pick whatever you like from this poll depending on your view point.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    O/T betting post

    Martin Skrtel to score anytime tonight 14/1.

    RM not good from corners - DYOR.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    edited October 2014
    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    Maybe the government is trying to give everyone dementia so that we can collectively wash that UKIP calypso from our minds?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited October 2014
    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    You say that you don't remember where to collect your loot? I see [ticks box on form]

    Now, can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    I think we should try to coin a nickname for anti-UKIP tactical voters.

    I suggest "Unicorns" because of their rarity.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 55m55 minutes ago
    New ComRes/ITV poll finds that UKIP rated as nastiest party ahead 2% ahead of CON.

    Interestingly in the same poll UKIP are 3% ahead of the Tories for "Stands up for people like me" , is level with the Tories for "Has a strong leader" and is only 8% behind them for "Has the best policies for Britain's future".

    Proves you can cherry pick whatever you like from this poll depending on your view point.

    I'm guessing UKIP will be happy to be only 2% ahead of the Tories on the nasty party question. And very concerning for the Conservatives.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Looks like multiple attacks being carried out by gunmen in Ottawa, Canada.
    Casualties reported.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    @TGOHF belittltting post

    Martin Skrtel to pull shirt at corners anytime tonight.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Sean_F said:

    I think we should try to coin a nickname for anti-UKIP tactical voters.

    I suggest "Unicorns" because of their rarity.

    Hah!

    Anti-Labour tactical voters could perhaps be called "Fairies" because they're a figment of the imagination.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    Well quite - However, without reading up on the subject, I think the financial incentive is to encourage GPs to look a little harder at an underlying problem and not to just dish out antidepressants.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29724907

    Shots fired inside Canada parliament.

    But according to latest, fighting in several parts of the city. Obviously planned attack.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    "BuzzFeed News ‏@BuzzFeedNews 1m1 minute ago

    Ottawa Update - Police confirm 3 separate shooting incidents:Parliament Hill, War Memorial and near area mall - # of shooters still unknown"

    https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    So 70% think the Tories are not nasty and 68% think UKIP are not nasty. More than two in every three people think they are not nasty.

    I think as a Kipper I can live with that particularly considering the unpleasant mean spirited bigots online who are prone to call Kippers 'nasty'. Not being associated with those sort of people is quite a relief really...
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Yes Marf, you've a right to be worried.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    OblitusSumMe said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    You say that you don't remember where to collect your loot? I see [ticks box on form]

    Now, can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?
    "... can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?"

    I was in A & E, again, last Saturday and one of the Doctors asked me that question (along with some other damn silly ones), I was sorely tempted to say, "Harold Wilson" just to see what would happen. I resisted, but I still don't know what he was trying to ascertain given that I was in there because of an acute allergic reaction.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MikeK said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29724907

    Shots fired inside Canada parliament.

    But according to latest, fighting in several parts of the city. Obviously planned attack.

    Two soldiers were run over by a motorist a few days ago near Montreal.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    O/T betting post

    Martin Skrtel to score anytime tonight 14/1.

    RM not good from corners - DYOR.

    Wouldn't back this until you see he starts.. if he is sub and comes on with 10 mins to go, you are on at 14/1 when he is about 100/1
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    MikeK said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29724907

    Shots fired inside Canada parliament.

    But according to latest, fighting in several parts of the city. Obviously planned attack.

    Is there a market for the following:
    "religion of peace"
    "the vast majority"
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    More bad news for SYP, not Rotherham but Sheffield.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-29725855

    Like GMP car crime was higher up their list.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    edited October 2014
    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    I've been involved in monitoring GP's claims and targets.
    I suspect some have "failed" to diagnose dementia because they don't want to upset patients and relatives. I also suspect that there will be a big rise in dementia diagnoses in some practices!
    There will also be complaints from GP's with large numbers of student patients that they have no chance of earning this money. Although if they're looking after a University, there could well be opportunities among the senior staff!

    What are the consequences for the patient of such a diagnosis? Car driving etc?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    HurstLlama said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    You say that you don't remember where to collect your loot? I see [ticks box on form]

    Now, can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?
    "... can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?"

    I was in A & E, again, last Saturday and one of the Doctors asked me that question (along with some other damn silly ones), I was sorely tempted to say, "Harold Wilson" just to see what would happen. I resisted, but I still don't know what he was trying to ascertain given that I was in there because of an acute allergic reaction.
    Answer Ed Miliband...

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    HurstLlama said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    You say that you don't remember where to collect your loot? I see [ticks box on form]

    Now, can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?
    "... can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?"

    I was in A & E, again, last Saturday and one of the Doctors asked me that question (along with some other damn silly ones), I was sorely tempted to say, "Harold Wilson" just to see what would happen. I resisted, but I still don't know what he was trying to ascertain given that I was in there because of an acute allergic reaction.
    What happens if you answer "Some Tory prat"?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. F, nothing wrong with a monoceros.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    The Guardian say: "Prime minister Stephen Harper has cancelled a meeting with Malala Yousafzai later today.."

    Hmm. That would be a bit of a coincidence.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    OldKingCole said:

    HurstLlama said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    You say that you don't remember where to collect your loot? I see [ticks box on form]

    Now, can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?
    "... can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?"

    I was in A & E, again, last Saturday and one of the Doctors asked me that question (along with some other damn silly ones), I was sorely tempted to say, "Harold Wilson" just to see what would happen. I resisted, but I still don't know what he was trying to ascertain given that I was in there because of an acute allergic reaction.
    What happens if you answer "Some Tory prat"?
    Electrotherapy.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    OldKingCole said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    I've been involved in monitoring GP's claims and targets.
    I suspect some have "failed" to diagnose dementia because they don't want to upset patients and relatives. I also suspect that there will be a big rise in dementia diagnoses in some practices!
    There will also be complaints from GP's with large numbers of student patients that they have no chance of earning this money. Although if they're looking after a University, there could well be opportunities among the senior staff!

    What are the consequences for the patient of such a diagnosis? Car driving etc?
    Is dementia an illness that can be diagnosed by a GP alone? I should have thought it would take a whole battery of tests and specialists to do that. Surely the GP can only make a referral where he or she thinks it worthwhile.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Further thought; will this put off some people visiting their GP's?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    @Dr Spyn

    Don't know if you heard the Today At One piece on Fiona Woolf?

    It had Jim Murphy and Francis Maude discussing the matter in restrained tones. Reading between the lines, I should say her goose is cooked.
  • BenSBenS Posts: 22
    The problem with this is dementia is often very hard to diagnose - it is a diagnosis of exclusion, where a GP often has to go through lots of other possibilities first before you can get a definite diagnosis (and as the Alzheimer's Society says, even then it may not be possible to be definitive without biopsy or autopsy). For those interested the MMSE test is the most commonly used method used when dementia is being considered: http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=121

    As with lots of NHS interventions this is more about incentivising those parts of the country that are poor at this particular diagnosis to improve, rather than looking to increase diagnosis rates across the piece.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    HurstLlama said:

    OldKingCole said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    I've been involved in monitoring GP's claims and targets.
    I suspect some have "failed" to diagnose dementia because they don't want to upset patients and relatives. I also suspect that there will be a big rise in dementia diagnoses in some practices!
    There will also be complaints from GP's with large numbers of student patients that they have no chance of earning this money. Although if they're looking after a University, there could well be opportunities among the senior staff!

    What are the consequences for the patient of such a diagnosis? Car driving etc?
    Is dementia an illness that can be diagnosed by a GP alone? I should have thought it would take a whole battery of tests and specialists to do that. Surely the GP can only make a referral where he or she thinks it worthwhile.
    Good question. If it's just referral I can see some very substantial claims!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    Green selection in Stoke Central: Jan Zablocki.

    http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Green-Party-announces-parliamentary-candidate/story-23303989-detail/story.html

    Con, Lancashire West: Paul Greenall.

    https://twitter.com/paulvgreenall
  • BenSBenS Posts: 22
    I do have one client who says he isn't worried about having dementia because it means he "can't remember how sh*t life is from one day to the next", but on the whole it's a terrible dehumanising disease that is often as traumatic for those close to the person with the diagnosis as it is for the person with the diagnosis.

    I have another client who has Lewes Bodies Dementia who has for the last two years been hallucinating three schoolchildren who come and sit in her front-room every night and watch TV with her. It only becomes an issue when she goes to turn the channel and they start shouting at her...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    @Dr Spyn

    Don't know if you heard the Today At One piece on Fiona Woolf?

    It had Jim Murphy and Francis Maude discussing the matter in restrained tones. Reading between the lines, I should say her goose is cooked.

    Missed it - watched TV coverage. Seems to be a lot of it about today - apologies of sorts from IRA, C of E. Allegations of another police force prioritising motoring offences, wasn't that GMP's excuse last week?

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited October 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Green selection in Stoke Central: Jan Zablocki.

    http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Green-Party-announces-parliamentary-candidate/story-23303989-detail/story.html

    [Former?] CWU branch official. Interesting.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    BenS said:

    I do have one client who says he isn't worried about having dementia because it means he "can't remember how sh*t life is from one day to the next", but on the whole it's a terrible dehumanising disease that is often as traumatic for those close to the person with the diagnosis as it is for the person with the diagnosis.

    I have another client who has Lewes Bodies Dementia who has for the last two years been hallucinating three schoolchildren who come and sit in her front-room every night and watch TV with her. It only becomes an issue when she goes to turn the channel and they start shouting at her...

    Mum died from it, Ben.

    In her own world, she seemed fine, but the strain on carers was huge.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    I had lunch today with a Conservative supporting, UKIP leaning, Southwark voter today. He's going to be voting for Simon Hughes.

    So I'm reckoning that Mr Hughes will buck the trend of Yellow losses in May next year, and hold on.

    (Beware of extrapolating from small data sets.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    BenS said:

    I do have one client who says he isn't worried about having dementia because it means he "can't remember how sh*t life is from one day to the next", but on the whole it's a terrible dehumanising disease that is often as traumatic for those close to the person with the diagnosis as it is for the person with the diagnosis.

    I have another client who has Lewes Bodies Dementia who has for the last two years been hallucinating three schoolchildren who come and sit in her front-room every night and watch TV with her. It only becomes an issue when she goes to turn the channel and they start shouting at her...

    I suspect client A hasn't a clue about what's likely to happen to him. Fortunately.

    And yes, as we get older it's one of our more negative "fireside chats". Especially as it took my father-in-law away from us five years before he died.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    By CTV News @CTVNews
    A gunman has been killed in Ottawa after three separate shootings in the nation's capital forced Parliament Hill into lockdown and gripped the city with fear.

    Shots had been fired inside Parliament, the National War Memorial and near the Rideau Centre shopping mall A soldier has been reported shot at the Memorial
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    MikeK said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29724907

    Shots fired inside Canada parliament.

    But according to latest, fighting in several parts of the city. Obviously planned attack.

    I believe it's part of the Canadian terrorist organisation fighting to become part of the EU.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP candidate for Basildon deselected:

    http://www.yourthurrock.com/UKIP-candidate-Kerry-Smith-selected/story-23226874-detail/story.html
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014
    Islamic council of Canada saying 80 people have returned to Canada from fighting for Isil and have been allowed by the authorities to walk free despite muslim leaders' warnings.

    If true, all kinds of shit is going to hit the authorities' fans.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    SimonStClare said:

    By CTV News @CTVNews
    A gunman has been killed in Ottawa after three separate shootings in the nation's capital forced Parliament Hill into lockdown and gripped the city with fear.

    Shots had been fired inside Parliament, the National War Memorial and near the Rideau Centre shopping mall A soldier has been reported shot at the Memorial

    Bloomberg reported that the guy who was shooting at the memorial went on to the parliament where he was killed. So, it may only be one person, or it may be different connected incidents.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    TGOHF said:

    O/T betting post

    Martin Skrtel to score anytime tonight 14/1.

    RM not good from corners - DYOR.

    Does it matter which team he scores for?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    MPs and Hill staff owe their safety, even lives, to Sergeant at Arms Kevin Vickers who shot attacker just outside the MPs' caucus rooms.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    dr_spyn said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    @Dr Spyn

    Don't know if you heard the Today At One piece on Fiona Woolf?

    It had Jim Murphy and Francis Maude discussing the matter in restrained tones. Reading between the lines, I should say her goose is cooked.

    Missed it - watched TV coverage. Seems to be a lot of it about today - apologies of sorts from IRA, C of E. Allegations of another police force prioritising motoring offences, wasn't that GMP's excuse last week?

    Has anybody established yet who appointed her? I assume it was the same person who appointed the equally inappropriate Baroness Butler-Sloss?

    And that person is still in paid employment?
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: So the Red Cross have refused UKIP's money from the #Calypso song, as it is "party political". How to make ugly escapade even uglier.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Verulamius said:

    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.

    Does that count as an LD gain?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    AndyJS said:

    UKIP candidate for Basildon deselected:

    http://www.yourthurrock.com/UKIP-candidate-Kerry-Smith-selected/story-23226874-detail/story.html

    Yeah, this is fairly old news, Andy.

    Isam has been working on his nomination speech all week.
  • BenSBenS Posts: 22
    Peter_the_Punter said:



    Mum died from it, Ben.

    In her own world, she seemed fine, but the strain on carers was huge.

    Condolences. Hard to imagine how grim it is unless you've been through it.

  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    OldKingCole said:

    Verulamius said:

    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.

    Does that count as an LD gain?
    OldKingCole said:

    Verulamius said:

    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.

    Does that count as an LD gain?
    No - he replaces another LD Hereditary peer who died. LD Hold.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: So the Red Cross have refused UKIP's money from the #Calypso song, as it is "party political". How to make ugly escapade even uglier.

    Anyone know how much the CEO of the Red Cross earns?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The boundary changes in Rochester / Medway that came into effect in 2010 were extremely minor, although they did notionally change the winning party because Marshall-Andrews had won so narrowly in 2005.

    Actual 2005 result (Medway):

    Lab 17,333 (42.2%)
    Con 17,120 (41.7%)
    LD 5,152 (12.5%)
    UKIP 1,488 (3.6%)

    Notional 2005 result (Rochester & Strood):

    Con 18,877 (42.6%)
    Lab 18,374 (41.5%)
    LD 5,468 (12.4%)
    UKIP 1,547 (3.5%)

    http://election.pressassociation.com/constituencies.html

    So the boundary change had the following effect:

    Con +0.9%
    Lab -0.7%
    LD -0.1%
    UKIP -0.1%
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    Off-topic:

    Someone (Dr Spyn?) in a previous thread mentioned Archbishop Hope's (now Lord Hope of Thornes)'s alleged mishandling of allegations of child abuse against a priest. Lord Hope's response to the report contains this absolute corker:

    “Last May, in some of the reporting, it was suggested that there had been some cover-up by me.

    “This report makes clear that not applying the policy is not the same as a cover-up.

    Hmmmm.
  • BenSBenS Posts: 22
    OldKingCole said:



    I suspect client A hasn't a clue about what's likely to happen to him. Fortunately.

    And yes, as we get older it's one of our more negative "fireside chats". Especially as it took my father-in-law away from us five years before he died.

    Exactly; and often it's that which makes it harder even for those around the person with the diagnosis than the person with the diagnosis.

    The only benefit of going through it with my grandparents was that it made me sit with my mum and dad and prepare powers of attorney, etc. Getting practical stuff in place like that before there is a crisis is about the only thing you can do really.

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    nigel4england said:

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: So the Red Cross have refused UKIP's money from the #Calypso song, as it is "party political". How to make ugly escapade even uglier.

    Anyone know how much the CEO of the Red Cross earns?
    Just found it:

    Sir Nick Young, the chief executive of the British Red Cross, saw his pay jump by 12 per cent to £184,000 since 2010, despite a one per cent fall in the charity’s donations and a three per cent fall in revenues.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    HurstLlama said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    state_go_away said:

    I must say on the surface it seems a bonkers thing to do. Pay a fee if a doctor diagnoses something? Surely a diagnosis is done purely on a medical condition?

    You seem confused. I think you are getting a bit forgetful.

    Now where do I collect my loot?
    You say that you don't remember where to collect your loot? I see [ticks box on form]

    Now, can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?
    "... can you tell me who the Prime Minister is?"

    I was in A & E, again, last Saturday and one of the Doctors asked me that question (along with some other damn silly ones), I was sorely tempted to say, "Harold Wilson" just to see what would happen. I resisted, but I still don't know what he was trying to ascertain given that I was in there because of an acute allergic reaction.
    The correct answer is "Yes".
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    nigel4england said:

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: So the Red Cross have refused UKIP's money from the #Calypso song, as it is "party political". How to make ugly escapade even uglier.

    Anyone know how much the CEO of the Red Cross earns?
    British Red Cross chief executive Sir Nick Young was paid £184,000 last year [2013-08-06]
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    So many newspapers are reporting the earlier Ipsos Mori EU findings, not mentioning the other recent polls on the subject which paint a very different picture.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    weejonnie said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Verulamius said:

    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.

    Does that count as an LD gain?
    OldKingCole said:

    Verulamius said:

    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.

    Does that count as an LD gain?
    No - he replaces another LD Hereditary peer who died. LD Hold.
    Nearly as good, TBH!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 14 mins14 minutes ago
    Rumours of new Rochester poll coming out. Judging by the betting it's good for the purples.


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 17 mins17 minutes ago
    Rochester betting move very sharply to UKIP. Now an 80% chance on Betfair up from 70%. Somebody knows something.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP candidate for Basildon deselected:

    http://www.yourthurrock.com/UKIP-candidate-Kerry-Smith-selected/story-23226874-detail/story.html

    Yeah, this is fairly old news, Andy.

    Isam has been working on his nomination speech all week.
    Maybe UKIP want to have a stronger candidate in what they believe may be one of their best prospects.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    nigel4england said:

    TGOHF said:

    O/T betting post

    Martin Skrtel to score anytime tonight 14/1.

    RM not good from corners - DYOR.

    Does it matter which team he scores for?
    nigel4england said:

    TGOHF said:

    O/T betting post

    Martin Skrtel to score anytime tonight 14/1.

    RM not good from corners - DYOR.

    Does it matter which team he scores for?
    Does it have to be during the match or does a WAG count?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    antifrank said:

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 14 mins14 minutes ago
    Rumours of new Rochester poll coming out. Judging by the betting it's good for the purples.


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 17 mins17 minutes ago
    Rochester betting move very sharply to UKIP. Now an 80% chance on Betfair up from 70%. Somebody knows something.

    Good, I've put all my winnings from this year so far on that outcome.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Oh nice cartoon once again, Marf!

    I think its pretty poor and a typical false put down.
    If you and marf did their research you would know this is a 6 month £5 million scheme and there is already a £42 million scheme for offering appropriate assessments of people who came in with memory problems, or those with conditions which put them at increased risk.

    Sneering and groundless comments are perhaps why GP recruitment is falling.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    AndyJS said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKIP candidate for Basildon deselected:

    http://www.yourthurrock.com/UKIP-candidate-Kerry-Smith-selected/story-23226874-detail/story.html

    Yeah, this is fairly old news, Andy.

    Isam has been working on his nomination speech all week.
    Maybe UKIP want to have a stronger candidate in what they believe may be one of their best prospects.
    That's a very cruel thing to say about isam.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    BenS said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:



    Mum died from it, Ben.

    In her own world, she seemed fine, but the strain on carers was huge.

    Condolences. Hard to imagine how grim it is unless you've been through it.

    Thanks, Ben, but it wasn't too bad since the burden was shared.

    I only mentioned it really to make the same point others have - that the actual sufferer doesn't seem to know too much about it. (And in case anybody was wondering, nobody really dies from dementia, but in many cases the brain deteriorates to the extent that normal bodily functions fail and there follows a complete system breakdown. That's pretty much what happened with the Old Girl. She was 85 and had a good life.)
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited October 2014
    JosiasJessop said:

    Off-topic:

    Someone (Dr Spyn?) in a previous thread mentioned Archbishop Hope's (now Lord Hope of Thornes)'s alleged mishandling of allegations of child abuse against a priest. Lord Hope's response to the report contains this absolute corker:

    “Last May, in some of the reporting, it was suggested that there had been some cover-up by me.

    “This report makes clear that not applying the policy is not the same as a cover-up.

    Hmmmm.

    Guilty, looks as Dr Hope has been schooled with Sir Humphrey. Some classic lines here.2

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29726198

    "It is matter of great regret to me that 12 years ago when the non-specific anonymous allegations were first made in Manchester, the church and I myself were not more proactive in seeking out and/or assisting a reluctant complainant."

    "Nor is it any comfort that other organisations were no more diligent at that time when dealing with similar situations."

    As Dr Heinz Kiosk said, we are all guilty...though he didn't expect to include terrorists to be as committed to child abuse as some of their enemies. It is a 'funny' old world.
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    KentRising said:

    Islamic council of Canada saying 80 people have returned to Canada from fighting for Isil and have been allowed by the authorities to walk free despite muslim leaders' warnings.

    If true, all kinds of shit is going to hit the authorities' fans.


    The UK is not the only country where PC has gone mad.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    weejonnie said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Verulamius said:

    You will be pleased to learn that the most recently elected member of parliament is the Earl of Oxford and Asquith. Success at last for the Liberal Democrats in a parliamentary by-election!

    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-office/2013-14/Hereditary-Peers-by-election-result-Methuen.pdf

    It was an overwhelming win with no transfers required; 155 votes out of 283 cast.

    Does that count as an LD gain?
    No - he replaces another LD Hereditary peer who died. LD Hold.
    The runner up was the Earl of Stockton. What is it with the scions of ex prime ministers. Do they have an unfair advantage?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I missed this from the other day:

    On Tuesday a Muslim convert was killed by Quebec police after deliberately hitting two soldiers in his car, killing one and injuring another.

    Seriously, no other religion has so many screwed up people.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    AndyJS said:

    antifrank said:

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 14 mins14 minutes ago
    Rumours of new Rochester poll coming out. Judging by the betting it's good for the purples.


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 17 mins17 minutes ago
    Rochester betting move very sharply to UKIP. Now an 80% chance on Betfair up from 70%. Somebody knows something.

    Good, I've put all my winnings from this year so far on that outcome.
    Yup, that looks a fairly significant betting move to me, Andy.

    Do we know whether the Tories are running with Pinky or Perky yet?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Would you believe it, but Gerry Adams of all people has shown politicians how they should be behaving over child abuse:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29723101

    Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams has apologised to sex abuse victims "let down" by the IRA during the Troubles.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    Socrates said:

    I missed this from the other day:

    On Tuesday a Muslim convert was killed by Quebec police after deliberately hitting two soldiers in his car, killing one and injuring another.

    Seriously, no other religion has so many screwed up people.

    Well the Branch Davidians used to have a few, but they've not been too active lately.

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I have just seen the footage of a muslim woman being stoned to death for alleged adultery..I really cannot find the appropriate words to describe my disgust at the animals who carried out the sentence..especially her so called father... what sort of barbarity is this that hides behind the cloak of religion...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    BBC saying that the Canadian soldier has died.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    Socrates said:

    I missed this from the other day:

    On Tuesday a Muslim convert was killed by Quebec police after deliberately hitting two soldiers in his car, killing one and injuring another.

    Seriously, no other religion has so many screwed up people.

    Islam does seem to be nutcases' religion of choice.

    The number of converts who go off the rails (more likely, were never on them) is large.

    I only possibly blame Islam when the miscreants were inculcated from birth.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    Artist said:

    So many newspapers are reporting the earlier Ipsos Mori EU findings, not mentioning the other recent polls on the subject which paint a very different picture.

    MORI is the outlier, but it's typical for the outlier to attract far more coverage than the other polls that are saying basically the same thing.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    BenS said:

    OldKingCole said:



    I suspect client A hasn't a clue about what's likely to happen to him. Fortunately.

    And yes, as we get older it's one of our more negative "fireside chats". Especially as it took my father-in-law away from us five years before he died.

    Exactly; and often it's that which makes it harder even for those around the person with the diagnosis than the person with the diagnosis.

    The only benefit of going through it with my grandparents was that it made me sit with my mum and dad and prepare powers of attorney, etc. Getting practical stuff in place like that before there is a crisis is about the only thing you can do really.

    The advances in medical science over the past fifty or so years have been stunning but in nature as in life there is no such thing as a free lunch and more people with dementia is part of the price we have to pay for extended lives. I thank God that with my genes and former lifestyle I am very unlikely to inflict it on my family.

    As Mr. Cole said up thread this dreadful disease kills people before they die physically. Sometimes I think medical science may have taken a wrong turn. "First do no harm" might have been a good motto for Hippocrates but 2,000 years later should his dictum still apply in all cases?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    antifrank said:

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 14 mins14 minutes ago
    Rumours of new Rochester poll coming out. Judging by the betting it's good for the purples.


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 17 mins17 minutes ago
    Rochester betting move very sharply to UKIP. Now an 80% chance on Betfair up from 70%. Somebody knows something.

    Poor primary returns?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    Another £400 has just been placed on the Rochester Betfair market taking the UKIP odds down to 1.22. Getting close now to the position Carswell was in at a similar point before the election.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    richardDodd said:

    I have just seen the footage of a muslim woman being stoned to death for alleged adultery..I really cannot find the appropriate words to describe my disgust at the animals who carried out the sentence..especially her so called father... what sort of barbarity is this that hides behind the cloak of religion...

    Western governments are slowly waking up to the fact that they have a significant fifth column in their midsts that will only increase as immigration from Muslim countries continues. They are importing wholesale the very things that are the severest threat to the lives of their indiginous populations and their democratic values.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    AndyJS said:

    antifrank said:

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 14 mins14 minutes ago
    Rumours of new Rochester poll coming out. Judging by the betting it's good for the purples.


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 17 mins17 minutes ago
    Rochester betting move very sharply to UKIP. Now an 80% chance on Betfair up from 70%. Somebody knows something.

    Good, I've put all my winnings from this year so far on that outcome.
    Yup, that looks a fairly significant betting move to me, Andy.

    Do we know whether the Tories are running with Pinky or Perky yet?

    No, the result is due to be announced tomorrow.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,118
    AndyJS said:

    Another £400 has just been placed on the Rochester Betfair market taking the UKIP odds down to 1.22. Getting close now to the position Carswell was in at a similar point before the election.

    Seems mighty unfair that someone may have insider information and is betting on it. I guess very hard to police?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Also the Labour price with Betfair has come down from 70 to 7.4 which is only slightly behind the Tories on 5.5:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115707446
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    antifrank said:

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 14 mins14 minutes ago
    Rumours of new Rochester poll coming out. Judging by the betting it's good for the purples.


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 17 mins17 minutes ago
    Rochester betting move very sharply to UKIP. Now an 80% chance on Betfair up from 70%. Somebody knows something.

    All three parties will have been canvassing the seat. They should have a pretty good idea if its a contest or a walkover.

    On Monday, Matthew Goodwin tweeted:
    "A (credible) source on the ground tells me that in Rochester & Strood Ukip are running the biggest data collection exercise in their history"

    twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/524188235829092352
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,118
    AndyJS said:

    Also the Labour price with Betfair has come down from 70 to 7.4 which is only slightly behind the Tories on 5.5:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115707446

    Just dropped to 6.2
  • TapestryTapestry Posts: 153
    I put money on Carswell but can't find the betting slip. My doctor's claiming £55. Don't I get a cut?
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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,118
    Maybe its my Internet connection but Labour's for Rochester is gyrating between 7.4 and 6.2
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    rottenborough said:

    AndyJS said:

    Another £400 has just been placed on the Rochester Betfair market taking the UKIP odds down to 1.22. Getting close now to the position Carswell was in at a similar point before the election.

    Seems mighty unfair that someone may have insider information and is betting on it. I guess very hard to police?
    It depends what it is, Rotten.

    My guess is that the results of the Primary are now fairly widely known and some people are drawing inferences and betting accordingly. I don't have much of a problem with that to be honest. As you say, it is hard to police and the 'information' is not much more than one straw amongst many in the wind.

    There are other instances though when I think liberties are taken and believe it or not there are rules - even laws - which are occasionally called into action.

    But generally punters accept all that kind of stuff as part and parcel of the game.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    rottenborough said:

    Maybe its my Internet connection but Labour's for Rochester is gyrating between 7.4 and 6.2

    You have to look at the last price matched - 50/1.

    Feels about right.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,118
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    rottenborough said:

    AndyJS said:

    Another £400 has just been placed on the Rochester Betfair market taking the UKIP odds down to 1.22. Getting close now to the position Carswell was in at a similar point before the election.

    Seems mighty unfair that someone may have insider information and is betting on it. I guess very hard to police?
    It depends what it is, Rotten.

    My guess is that the results of the Primary are now fairly widely known and some people are drawing inferences and betting accordingly. I don't have much of a problem with that to be honest. As you say, it is hard to police and the 'information' is not much more than one straw amongst many in the wind.

    There are other instances though when I think liberties are taken and believe it or not there are rules - even laws - which are occasionally called into action.

    But generally punters accept all that kind of stuff as part and parcel of the game.
    As long as the horse isn't doped :-)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rottenborough said:

    AndyJS said:

    Also the Labour price with Betfair has come down from 70 to 7.4 which is only slightly behind the Tories on 5.5:

    http://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115707446

    Just dropped to 6.2
    You have to look at both sides of the market on Betfair lads!

    The 6.2 and 7.4 is nonsense

    When there is a big move, people put up offers to take bets at ridiculously short prices... you want to be looking at the pink side of the odds, that what people are wanting to back.. 54/1 in this case..

    £2k for UKIP at 1.25 says this is heading our way
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    Ninoinoz said:

    Socrates said:

    I missed this from the other day:

    On Tuesday a Muslim convert was killed by Quebec police after deliberately hitting two soldiers in his car, killing one and injuring another.

    Seriously, no other religion has so many screwed up people.

    Islam does seem to be nutcases' religion of choice.

    The number of converts who go off the rails (more likely, were never on them) is large.

    I only possibly blame Islam when the miscreants were inculcated from birth.
    Relax, Nino, and give your sense of humour glands some exercise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkwkmhaVvA

    'I'm saying this only once.....' Brilliant.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    rottenborough said:

    AndyJS said:

    Another £400 has just been placed on the Rochester Betfair market taking the UKIP odds down to 1.22. Getting close now to the position Carswell was in at a similar point before the election.

    Seems mighty unfair that someone may have insider information and is betting on it. I guess very hard to police?
    It depends what it is, Rotten.

    My guess is that the results of the Primary are now fairly widely known and some people are drawing inferences and betting accordingly. I don't have much of a problem with that to be honest. As you say, it is hard to police and the 'information' is not much more than one straw amongst many in the wind.

    There are other instances though when I think liberties are taken and believe it or not there are rules - even laws - which are occasionally called into action.

    But generally punters accept all that kind of stuff as part and parcel of the game.
    The key is not who wins the primary but how many people bothered to return the form

    If it was less than 10,000 then the Tories are unlikely to get 30% of the vote
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