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  • Pulpstar said:

    Anecdotal: My 2010 Lib Dem colleague will be voting UKIP in the forthcoming PCC by-elcection.

    Just how political is your Parochial Church Council?
  • Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
    That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
    The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.

    Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
    The voters don't really care who British parties caucus with in the EU Parliament.
    When people will be trying for tactical anti UKIP votes, it will get brought up.

    Like you I know all UK parties have underdesireables in their EU groupings, but a Guardian reading Labour supporter in Rochester might view it differently.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Plato said:

    That reminds me of the Cat Haiku we play on Twitter. Lots of fun to be had in a Nighthawks with Kipper Kalypso...

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    Cricket/TMS fans are of course awaiting a Kipper drop in the polls so the phrase "Calypso Collapso" can be trotted out..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Evershed, reminds me a little of polling on tax. Everyone supports fair taxation, which means more tax paid by the wealthy to fund vital services, where 'the wealthy' are people who earn more than the respondent and 'vital services' are those used by the respondent.
  • Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Presumably the Board of Deputies will release a similar statement on the Greens being led by a self-confessed paedo?

    Oh wait, they don't give a damn about that.
  • SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

    If they had live streamed D-Day you'd have been a hoot.

    Sack Eisenhower, Omaha beach is a disaster.

    We've lost the Second World War.

    Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014

    Pulpstar said:

    Anecdotal: My 2010 Lib Dem colleague will be voting UKIP in the forthcoming PCC by-elcection.

    Just how political is your Parochial Church Council?
    Not very, I've taken a fiver on the 13-8 with Hills for UKIP to win though on the basis that

    Labour supporters won't get out of bed for this one.
    UKIP supporters will.
  • SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29707186
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited October 2014

    SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

    If they had live streamed D-Day you'd have been a hoot.

    Sack Eisenhower, Omaha beach is a disaster.

    We've lost the Second World War.

    Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.
    "Hitler and the German High Command clearly follow my comments on pb.com. A few months ago I suggested they concentrate their attack on the Atlantic convoys..."
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.

    The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Eagles, not to mention the 'mission creep' of invading Europe.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    One might even blame the Poles for voting for a party with such a leader, and ask why would we allow unrestricted immigration from such a place

    Just like the UK, the Poles elect fascists/racists.

    The country that sent so many pilots to fight for this country shouldn't be judged on a handful of elected officials.
    No doubt. My uncle and cousins are Polish, so I don't really need you to tell me how to judge them

    But it Poles that elected these people, not UKIP
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    I can help.. Struggle no more

    It isn't the holocaust denier they are working with

  • EU citizens should have the right to live and work in the UK:
    36% Yes, 46% No.

    British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU:
    52% Yes, 26% No.

    These results from ComRes were presented by the Guardian Data Editor Alberto Nardelli

    Just shows that between 16% and 20% of the population are too thick to see the anomaly. Are these the same group as the UKIP supporters? :)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

    Well ISIS say's thank's to America:

    GEOrge @ArtWendeley · 3h 3 hours ago
    #Kobane: New #IS video showing them collecting air dropped munition near the town. What a mess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOuPX6z50EM … via @Abu_Muthana
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy. I was most surprised to discover an acquaintance of mine did his thesis on this subject. Most entertaining as a dinner party conversation grenade subject.

    I don't know his politics - but he's been in A&E for 20yrs so guessing he's more of a Lefty.
    dr_spyn said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
    That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
    The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.

    Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
    Oh bollocks we're having a Latvian homophobes thread, where's tim ?
    You left out the bit about black Hugo Boss uniforms/suits with lightning flashes on the lapels.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
    That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
    The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.

    Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
    The voters don't really care who British parties caucus with in the EU Parliament.
    When people will be trying for tactical anti UKIP votes, it will get brought up.

    Like you I know all UK parties have underdesireables in their EU groupings, but a Guardian reading Labour supporter in Rochester might view it differently.
    There goes UKIPs Guardian reading Labour supporting Kent man vote!

    I think there might be one of them in Essex too
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Shock & Awe was the first I really watched. That was spine-tingling.
    SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

  • Plato said:

    One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy.

    "I am thinking dark thoughts, Helga!" - Herr Flick of the Gestapo.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Mr. Eagles, not to mention the 'mission creep' of invading Europe.

    Imagine the 30s....

    Live to Berlin now......Gary, what do moderate Nazis think of the events of Kristallnacht?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL - brilliant!
    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    That reminds me of the Cat Haiku we play on Twitter. Lots of fun to be had in a Nighthawks with Kipper Kalypso...

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    Cricket/TMS fans are of course awaiting a Kipper drop in the polls so the phrase "Calypso Collapso" can be trotted out..
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Socrates said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Presumably the Board of Deputies will release a similar statement on the Greens being led by a self-confessed paedo?

    Oh wait, they don't give a damn about that.
    OK, which is the pot and which is the kettle?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    edited October 2014


    EU citizens should have the right to live and work in the UK:
    36% Yes, 46% No.

    British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU:
    52% Yes, 26% No.

    These results from ComRes were presented by the Guardian Data Editor Alberto Nardelli

    Just shows that between 16% and 20% of the population are too thick to see the anomaly. Are these the same group as the UKIP supporters? :)


    EU citizens should have the right to live and work in the UK:
    36% Yes, 46% No.

    British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU:
    52% Yes, 26% No.

    These results from ComRes were presented by the Guardian Data Editor Alberto Nardelli

    Just shows that between 16% and 20% of the population are too thick to see the anomaly. Are these the same group as the UKIP supporters? :)
    Err, No.

    Conservative voters believe by a margin of 51/33% that EU citizens should not have the right to come to the UK. But by a margin of 49/32%, they believe that British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU



  • Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.

    Didn't the British people sack him at the 1945 election?

    :)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Most of my cousins are Sierra Leonie - replying to my posts doesn't mean you'll get Ebola.

    Again, I really don't get the *by extension, therefore...* whataboutery.

    I know it's all knockabout fun on PB, but rather a lot of people do take such tangential stuff rather too literally, for my taste.
    isam said:

    isam said:

    One might even blame the Poles for voting for a party with such a leader, and ask why would we allow unrestricted immigration from such a place

    Just like the UK, the Poles elect fascists/racists.

    The country that sent so many pilots to fight for this country shouldn't be judged on a handful of elected officials.
    No doubt. My uncle and cousins are Polish, so I don't really need you to tell me how to judge them

    But it Poles that elected these people, not UKIP
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    WSC Harrow School & Sandhurst.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

    If they had live streamed D-Day you'd have been a hoot.

    Sack Eisenhower, Omaha beach is a disaster.

    We've lost the Second World War.

    Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.

    SeanT said:

    The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).

    It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).

    Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11146251/Isil-advance-Watch-live-coverage-of-the-Turkey-border-with-Syria-near-embattled-Kobane.html

    Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.

    If they had live streamed D-Day you'd have been a hoot.

    Sack Eisenhower, Omaha beach is a disaster.

    We've lost the Second World War.

    Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.
    I'd have WON the war two years early with my incisive blogging, just as I WON the Scottish referendum, single-handedly.
    You mean by spotting the ardennes offensive in 1940?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    "Conservatives and liberals not only have different political views, they diverge sharply on what news sources they rely upon and trust, a survey has found."

    Only in America....

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/21/conservative-american-fox-news-liberals-pew-survey-cnn
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited October 2014
    Plato said:

    One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy. I was most surprised to discover an acquaintance of mine did his thesis on this subject. Most entertaining as a dinner party conversation grenade subject.

    I don't know his politics - but he's been in A&E for 20yrs so guessing he's more of a Lefty.

    dr_spyn said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
    That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
    The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.

    Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
    Oh bollocks we're having a Latvian homophobes thread, where's tim ?
    You left out the bit about black Hugo Boss uniforms/suits with lightning flashes on the lapels.

    If you looked at Military uniforms from the 20s & 30s the British influence on other armies and airforces was very striking, even more so for Naval uniforms. Nothing like copying the winners.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    She was superbly cast. And so was Richard Gibson as Otto Flick [think that was him]. His long-length leather coat was a hoot.

    Plato said:

    One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy.

    "I am thinking dark thoughts, Helga!" - Herr Flick of the Gestapo.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Socrates said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.

    The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
    I think that there is a distinction to make between people who now disown things that they wrote or said about four decades ago, and people who stand by comments that they have made more recently.

    I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?


  • Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.

    Didn't the British people sack him at the 1945 election?

    :)
    Worst descision ever, worse than putting Hannibal in charge of an army.

    Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    Plato said:

    She was superbly cast. And so was Richard Gibson as Otto Flick [think that was him]. His long-length leather coat was a hoot.

    Plato said:

    One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy.

    "I am thinking dark thoughts, Helga!" - Herr Flick of the Gestapo.

    "Flick the Gestapo....No, I said *Flick* the Gestapo!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0j_ffeCM0M
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
    That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
    The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.

    Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
    Oh bollocks we're having a Latvian homophobes thread, where's tim ?
    Makes a change from the now usual Hythe Homophobes threads I suppose.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    OT For fellow cat lovers - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801626/feline-bit-boxed-adorable-cats-squeeze-unbelievable-spaces.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
    As any cat owner will tell you the feline of the species is the most cunning and manipulative of all household pets.

    However, as these amazing series of photographs show, cats are able to hide in the strangest possible places for no apparent reason.

    Some of the cats have hidden in a variety of boxes, baskets and even a kettle.

    One kitten even laid itself out inside the gutter of a house enjoying some afternoon sunshine.
    I found one of mine wedged behind the cooker, another up the chimney and one in Wellington.
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    Socrates said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Presumably the Board of Deputies will release a similar statement on the Greens being led by a self-confessed paedo?

    Oh wait, they don't give a damn about that.

    Who is or certainly was of Jewish faith.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Looks as if Mrs Woolf has made the news again. Time to polish the tin foil hats.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29703282

  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    Socrates said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.

    The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.

    Plus he´s a hard left hero from 1968.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheScreamingEagles
    "Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS."
    Everything could have been just like it was in the thirties, and we would all have had scones and cream for tea?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Plato said:

    OT For fellow cat lovers - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801626/feline-bit-boxed-adorable-cats-squeeze-unbelievable-spaces.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    As any cat owner will tell you the feline of the species is the most cunning and manipulative of all household pets.

    However, as these amazing series of photographs show, cats are able to hide in the strangest possible places for no apparent reason.

    Some of the cats have hidden in a variety of boxes, baskets and even a kettle.

    One kitten even laid itself out inside the gutter of a house enjoying some afternoon sunshine.
    I found one of mine wedged behind the cooker, another up the chimney and one in Wellington.

    "one in a Wellington."

    Was it in the pilot's seat or just as a passenger?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Eagles, I'm sure Varro and Paullus would agree with you.

    Also, I thought every party had a national health service included in their '45 manifestoes?
  • Mr. Eagles, I'm sure Varro and Paullus would agree with you.

    Also, I thought every party had a national health service included in their '45 manifestoes?

    They did. But Labour's model was terrible and socialist.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Licence fee news(ish).

    This bit got my attention;
    "The former head of the Financial Times group, who began her new job 10 days ago, did not rule out subscriptions for some programming alongside the licence fee."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29702501

    I think that's completely unacceptable. You can't demand money as of right from everyone with a TV or radio, and then fence off some bits and demand more money for it.
  • Plato said:

    OT For fellow cat lovers - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801626/feline-bit-boxed-adorable-cats-squeeze-unbelievable-spaces.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    As any cat owner will tell you the feline of the species is the most cunning and manipulative of all household pets.

    However, as these amazing series of photographs show, cats are able to hide in the strangest possible places for no apparent reason.

    Some of the cats have hidden in a variety of boxes, baskets and even a kettle.

    One kitten even laid itself out inside the gutter of a house enjoying some afternoon sunshine.
    I found one of mine wedged behind the cooker, another up the chimney and one in Wellington.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9N4ZBPlPU
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Plato said:

    OT For fellow cat lovers - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801626/feline-bit-boxed-adorable-cats-squeeze-unbelievable-spaces.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    As any cat owner will tell you the feline of the species is the most cunning and manipulative of all household pets.

    However, as these amazing series of photographs show, cats are able to hide in the strangest possible places for no apparent reason.

    Some of the cats have hidden in a variety of boxes, baskets and even a kettle.

    One kitten even laid itself out inside the gutter of a house enjoying some afternoon sunshine.
    I found one of mine wedged behind the cooker, another up the chimney and one in Wellington.My cat will squeeze behind the cooker, the adjacent kitchen cabinets and then emerge triumphant from the cupboard under the sink.

    This was less impressive the time she caught her collar on something around the back there.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited October 2014



    Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.

    Didn't the British people sack him at the 1945 election?

    :)
    Worst descision ever, worse than putting Hannibal in charge of an army.

    Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS.
    The 1944 Beveridge Report which set out the basis of the NHS and the current Welfare State was written by William Beveridge, a Liberal, as was Churchill for some years.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Today's weather is simply brilliant for drying clothes on an old-fashioned washing line.
  • I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Licence fee news(ish).

    This bit got my attention;
    "The former head of the Financial Times group, who began her new job 10 days ago, did not rule out subscriptions for some programming alongside the licence fee."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29702501

    I think that's completely unacceptable. You can't demand money as of right from everyone with a TV or radio, and then fence off some bits and demand more money for it.

    I agree with you in principle, but I wonder whether in practice this is a way to transition the BBC from being licence fee funded to subscription funded.

    At the moment the licence fee is frozen. Suppose the government agreed to allow the BBC to start charging subscriptions for some content, but only on the condition that the licence fee was cut by £x per year?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Arthur Scargill would be proud -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11176929/Italian-miner-avoids-work-for-35-years-before-retiring-aged-52.html

    "Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52
    Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    On mansion tax, I noted that Balls said yesterday that anyone earning over £42000 would not be allowed to defer the tax to sale or death.

    Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-

    1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.

    2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.

    It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TGOHF said:

    Arthur Scargill would be proud -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11176929/Italian-miner-avoids-work-for-35-years-before-retiring-aged-52.html

    "Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52
    Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"


    “It’s shameful. This is a poor region and there is no work. All the young people are leaving and moving to England and Germany.”

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.

    The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
    I think that there is a distinction to make between people who now disown things that they wrote or said about four decades ago, and people who stand by comments that they have made more recently.

    I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?
    I would have thought the more important difference would be between someone articulating some obnoxious views, and someone confessing to actually carrying out an action that harmed a child.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.

    Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
  • dr_spyn said:

    Looks as if Mrs Woolf has made the news again. Time to polish the tin foil hats.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29703282

    This is the second plainly inappropriate Inquiry head to be nominated.

    You do not have to be a conspiracy theorist to suspect it is deliberate.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Cyclefree said:

    On mansion tax, I noted that Balls said yesterday that anyone earning over £42000 would not be allowed to defer the tax to sale or death.

    Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-

    1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.

    2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.

    It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.

    The other question is why they are insisting on central government taking a chunk of property taxes, when property taxes have traditionally been returned to the local authorities? They're just trying to steal more of the money of London and the SE of England to subsidise their fiefdoms in the rest of the country.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.

    The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
    I think that there is a distinction to make between people who now disown things that they wrote or said about four decades ago, and people who stand by comments that they have made more recently.

    I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?
    I would have thought the more important difference would be between someone articulating some obnoxious views, and someone confessing to actually carrying out an action that harmed a child.
    That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.

    Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ha!

    One had a litter in the foot-well of my Spitfire...

    Plato said:

    OT For fellow cat lovers - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801626/feline-bit-boxed-adorable-cats-squeeze-unbelievable-spaces.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    As any cat owner will tell you the feline of the species is the most cunning and manipulative of all household pets.

    However, as these amazing series of photographs show, cats are able to hide in the strangest possible places for no apparent reason.

    Some of the cats have hidden in a variety of boxes, baskets and even a kettle.

    One kitten even laid itself out inside the gutter of a house enjoying some afternoon sunshine.
    I found one of mine wedged behind the cooker, another up the chimney and one in Wellington.
    "one in a Wellington."

    Was it in the pilot's seat or just as a passenger?



  • Socrates said:

    I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.

    Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?

    I am not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies. Are you saying that unless the criticise everything wrong they cannot criticise anything. From where I am sitting matters relating to the holocaust and Nazism look like things Jewish organisations have every right to express opinions on. I don't believe a failure to criticise the Greens disqualifies them from doing so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    Socrates said:

    I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.

    Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
    Your obsession with pedophilia is quite disturbing. I know people who have worked in vice squads all their lives who don't go on about it as much as you.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.

    Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?

    I am not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies. Are you saying that unless the criticise everything wrong they cannot criticise anything. From where I am sitting matters relating to the holocaust and Nazism look like things Jewish organisations have every right to express opinions on. I don't believe a failure to criticise the Greens disqualifies them from doing so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

    Fine. I'm not talking about the Board of Deputies. I'm asking about no response from child protection charities or journalists. Why do you think that was?
  • felix said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.

    So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    I assume he got his inspiration re claustrophobia from Danny AKA Charles Bronson in The Great Escape...
    TGOHF said:

    Arthur Scargill would be proud -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11176929/Italian-miner-avoids-work-for-35-years-before-retiring-aged-52.html

    "Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52
    Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited October 2014
    Socrates said:

    I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.

    Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
    There was lots of media coverage, more than once, as his Wikipedia page notes.

    It was even written about in The Guardian more than a decade ago.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014

    That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.

    Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.

    So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?

    Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    It's deja vu all over again. Back in 2009, the leader of the Conservatives' Polish partner in the ECR, Michael Kaminski, was branded a holocaust-denier.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Fabulous cartoon - possibly Marf's best ever.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @suttonnick
    AUDIO: Nigel Farage - when Polish MEP said hitting a wife can bring them "back down to earth", it was "a joke" bbc.in/1wibKgU #wato

    What larks...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved with a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
  • Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.

    Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?

    I am not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies. Are you saying that unless the criticise everything wrong they cannot criticise anything. From where I am sitting matters relating to the holocaust and Nazism look like things Jewish organisations have every right to express opinions on. I don't believe a failure to criticise the Greens disqualifies them from doing so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

    Fine. I'm not talking about the Board of Deputies. I'm asking about no response from child protection charities or journalists. Why do you think that was?

    I don't know. As I say, though, I'm not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies criticising UKIP.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited October 2014

    dr_spyn said:

    Looks as if Mrs Woolf has made the news again. Time to polish the tin foil hats.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29703282

    This is the second plainly inappropriate Inquiry head to be nominated.

    You do not have to be a conspiracy theorist to suspect it is deliberate.
    BBC News24 - claiming 'it would take a couple of years'...

    looks as if the wide terms of reference covering many different aspects of abuse is a deliberate ploy to kick whole subject into the long grass until long after the 2015 GE.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    felix said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.

    So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.

    "They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    Socrates said:

    That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.

    Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.

    So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?

    Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
    Not only the German left.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Socrates said:

    That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.

    Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.

    So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?

    Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
    As far as I am aware there is no evidence, no accusation, no witness to suggest that this particular individual is a practising paedophile except for an article which he wrote which he now renounces.

    I do believe it is possible for people to make mistakes and later regret them, yes. Obviously it would be very different if someone were to allege that he had abused them.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    isam said:

    felix said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.

    So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.

    "They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
    While I admire your persistence on this I fear that a meme has been born and it will take more than the mere truth to drive it out.
  • isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved with a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    It's true. And I guess in the same way we'd be wrong to assume that UKIP MEPs share Nigel Farage's views on issues such as immigration and the EU.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
    His leader is apparently a holocaust denier yes.. and he is also not in the group with UKIP

    The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.

    So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.

    "They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
    While I admire your persistence on this I fear that a meme has been born and it will take more than the mere truth to drive it out.
    Truth-ish. The guy who joined UKIP's group isn't the holocaust denier,but the leader of his group is. Does that count a being 'involved'. He did however say that women should be beaten, apparently that was funny.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706001
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Me, hmm. Perhaps in a specific transition period it could be justified. But as a permanent measure, absolutely not.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014

    isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved with a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    It's true. And I guess in the same way we'd be wrong to assume that UKIP MEPs share Nigel Farage's views on issues such as immigration and the EU.

    Sorry, the constant sarcasm is hard to follow at times... what do you mean?
  • isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved with a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    Difference this time isam is they are not getting away with it. The great British public have been hood winked time and again regarding never been allowed to mention immigration for fear of being labelled a racist.

    And where has that got us? What good did that do the 1,400 victims of not just the grooming gangs in Rotherham, they were also victims of the PC nutjobs, which include the Tory councillors, the Lib Dems, the South Yorkshire police as well as the disgusting Labour councillors and MP's in that region, one of whom has just come out of jail.

    They can smear Ukip all they want it will not work this time, and judging by the actions of the smug on here they know it too.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?

    This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.

    Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.

    So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?

    Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
    As far as I am aware there is no evidence, no accusation, no witness to suggest that this particular individual is a practising paedophile except for an article which he wrote which he now renounces.

    I do believe it is possible for people to make mistakes and later regret them, yes. Obviously it would be very different if someone were to allege that he had abused them.
    It was actual in multiple channels he made the claim. The first one stated:

    My constant flirt with all the children soon took on erotic characteristics. I could really feel how from the age of five the small girls had already learnt to make passes at me. It's hardly believable. Most of the time I was fairly defenceless.

    In a second publication he added:

    It has happened to me several times that a few children opened the flies of my trousers and started to stroke me. I reacted differently each time according to the circumstances, but their desire confronted me with problems. I asked them: "Why don't you play with each other, why have you chosen me and not other children?" But when they insisted on it, I then stroked them. For that reason I was accused of perverted behaviour.

    He also described being involved in an "erotic game" with a five year in a TV interview.

    Do you really believe for one minute that this man was just being provocative?



  • isam said:

    felix said:

    Itajai said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Here is the full statement by the British Board of Deputies on UKIP's new EP partner - very powerful. http://t.co/kESjaAaFky

    Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink
    But dey can't tell us what to tink
    It's time to fight back, it's our country too
    We'll take no lesson off no Jew

    To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.

    We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

    You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.

    I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?

    No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.

    So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.

    "They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
    The Lib Dems work with Ward and Jihad Jenny, don't see that get mentioned too much.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    antifrank said:

    How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?

    This is intended as an open and free-standing question.

    Couldnt care less
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,121
    Cyclefree said:

    On mansion tax, I noted that Balls said yesterday that anyone earning over £42000 would not be allowed to defer the tax to sale or death.

    Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-

    1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.

    2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.

    It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.

    Hodges rages against the Mansion Tax in this afternoon's blog piece in DT, describing it as "a tax on voting Labour in London". Partly he's mad with anger because he will now pay it. Or he will if Labour win, but he doesn't think they will so why is he worried?

    What he doesn't say is that this is creating a new class of tax, effectively a state ground rent on people's property (although he does say he doesn't believe it will stay at £2million mark, which is sort of saying the same thing). Maybe we do want this kind of tax in this country, but the debate has been lacking on the longer term consequences.

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    UKIP are just like any other party. They answer questions with half truths or avoid answering by throwing mud at others.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    antifrank said:

    How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?

    This is intended as an open and free-standing question.

    The party leader is two steps apart, so I don't feel he is associated with UKIP. I'm still trying to understand the statements the guy himself made to judge fairly.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    isam said:



    isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
    His leader is apparently a holocaust denier yes.. and he is also not in the group with UKIP

    The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
    Wriggling a bit to get hold of the dosh, just like the other politicians.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    antifrank said:

    How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?

    This is intended as an open and free-standing question.

    I can't say that I'm thrilled by his presence, but it's a case of needs must. The rules of the EU Parliament drastically reduce the power of any party that is Non Iscrit.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. F, iscrit?
  • antifrank said:

    How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?

    This is intended as an open and free-standing question.

    How happy are the LD's working with Ward, Tonge or Hancock, or those that worked with Smith in the past knowing what he was up to in his spare time?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm not a Kipper, but I think this is as ludicrous as Latvian Homophobes as a premise against the Tories.

    As someone noted, the German Greenies have their own baggage. All parties have theirs.

    And quite frankly, no one who isn't hugely politically active/partisan gives a stuff about a sub-group of MEPs. Most people in the UK have no idea who their MEP is on a good day - nevermind what other sorts they're under same banner with in the EU Parly.
    antifrank said:

    How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?

    This is intended as an open and free-standing question.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Radwanska won. Boo hiss.

    Tiny bit green overall. The two bets of which I was confident did not come off, the 'long shot' (3.15) which I felt was 50/50 did.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    isam said:



    isam said:

    Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't

    How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish

    According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
    His leader is apparently a holocaust denier yes.. and he is also not in the group with UKIP

    The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
    Wriggling a bit to get hold of the dosh, just like the other politicians.
    It's the speaking time that's more important. It would seem very wrong if europhiles get a free platform to air their views but eurosceptics do not.
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