Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.
Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
The voters don't really care who British parties caucus with in the EU Parliament.
When people will be trying for tactical anti UKIP votes, it will get brought up.
Like you I know all UK parties have underdesireables in their EU groupings, but a Guardian reading Labour supporter in Rochester might view it differently.
Mr. Evershed, reminds me a little of polling on tax. Everyone supports fair taxation, which means more tax paid by the wealthy to fund vital services, where 'the wealthy' are people who earn more than the respondent and 'vital services' are those used by the respondent.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
Has a war ever been live streamed like this before? Compelling yet frightening.
If they had live streamed D-Day you'd have been a hoot.
Sack Eisenhower, Omaha beach is a disaster.
We've lost the Second World War.
Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.
"Hitler and the German High Command clearly follow my comments on pb.com. A few months ago I suggested they concentrate their attack on the Atlantic convoys..."
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.
The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
I can help.. Struggle no more
It isn't the holocaust denier they are working with
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy. I was most surprised to discover an acquaintance of mine did his thesis on this subject. Most entertaining as a dinner party conversation grenade subject.
I don't know his politics - but he's been in A&E for 20yrs so guessing he's more of a Lefty.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.
Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
The voters don't really care who British parties caucus with in the EU Parliament.
When people will be trying for tactical anti UKIP votes, it will get brought up.
Like you I know all UK parties have underdesireables in their EU groupings, but a Guardian reading Labour supporter in Rochester might view it differently.
There goes UKIPs Guardian reading Labour supporting Kent man vote!
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
EU citizens should have the right to live and work in the UK: 36% Yes, 46% No.
British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU: 52% Yes, 26% No.
These results from ComRes were presented by the Guardian Data Editor Alberto Nardelli
Just shows that between 16% and 20% of the population are too thick to see the anomaly. Are these the same group as the UKIP supporters?
Err, No.
Conservative voters believe by a margin of 51/33% that EU citizens should not have the right to come to the UK. But by a margin of 49/32%, they believe that British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
The Telegraph has a live stream of the Battle for Kobane (as they have had for weeks).
It is particularly intense right now as you can't see much (it is dark) but you can hear all the shooting and shelling (fighting is said to be very fierce this evening).
Apparently ISIS are trying to take the town before the supposed Peshmerge reinforcements arrive.
"Conservatives and liberals not only have different political views, they diverge sharply on what news sources they rely upon and trust, a survey has found."
One thing about those uniforms - Hugo Boss made them sexy. I was most surprised to discover an acquaintance of mine did his thesis on this subject. Most entertaining as a dinner party conversation grenade subject.
I don't know his politics - but he's been in A&E for 20yrs so guessing he's more of a Lefty.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
That's simply the nature of the EU Parliament. The rules require you to form pan-national coalitions with some dubious characters
The problem for UKIP unfortunately is that the voters say they are the most extreme party.
Shacking up with some real extremists isn't going to help shake that perception
Oh bollocks we're having a Latvian homophobes thread, where's tim ?
You left out the bit about black Hugo Boss uniforms/suits with lightning flashes on the lapels.
If you looked at Military uniforms from the 20s & 30s the British influence on other armies and airforces was very striking, even more so for Naval uniforms. Nothing like copying the winners.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.
The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
I think that there is a distinction to make between people who now disown things that they wrote or said about four decades ago, and people who stand by comments that they have made more recently.
I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.
The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
@TheScreamingEagles "Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS." Everything could have been just like it was in the thirties, and we would all have had scones and cream for tea?
This bit got my attention; "The former head of the Financial Times group, who began her new job 10 days ago, did not rule out subscriptions for some programming alongside the licence fee." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29702501
I think that's completely unacceptable. You can't demand money as of right from everyone with a TV or radio, and then fence off some bits and demand more money for it.
As any cat owner will tell you the feline of the species is the most cunning and manipulative of all household pets.
However, as these amazing series of photographs show, cats are able to hide in the strangest possible places for no apparent reason.
Some of the cats have hidden in a variety of boxes, baskets and even a kettle.
One kitten even laid itself out inside the gutter of a house enjoying some afternoon sunshine.
I found one of mine wedged behind the cooker, another up the chimney and one in Wellington.My cat will squeeze behind the cooker, the adjacent kitchen cabinets and then emerge triumphant from the cupboard under the sink.
This was less impressive the time she caught her collar on something around the back there.
Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.
Didn't the British people sack him at the 1945 election?
Worst descision ever, worse than putting Hannibal in charge of an army.
Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS.
The 1944 Beveridge Report which set out the basis of the NHS and the current Welfare State was written by William Beveridge, a Liberal, as was Churchill for some years.
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
This bit got my attention; "The former head of the Financial Times group, who began her new job 10 days ago, did not rule out subscriptions for some programming alongside the licence fee." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29702501
I think that's completely unacceptable. You can't demand money as of right from everyone with a TV or radio, and then fence off some bits and demand more money for it.
I agree with you in principle, but I wonder whether in practice this is a way to transition the BBC from being licence fee funded to subscription funded.
At the moment the licence fee is frozen. Suppose the government agreed to allow the BBC to start charging subscriptions for some content, but only on the condition that the licence fee was cut by £x per year?
"Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52 Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"
On mansion tax, I noted that Balls said yesterday that anyone earning over £42000 would not be allowed to defer the tax to sale or death.
Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-
1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.
2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.
It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.
"Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52 Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"
“It’s shameful. This is a poor region and there is no work. All the young people are leaving and moving to England and Germany.”
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.
The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
I think that there is a distinction to make between people who now disown things that they wrote or said about four decades ago, and people who stand by comments that they have made more recently.
I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?
I would have thought the more important difference would be between someone articulating some obnoxious views, and someone confessing to actually carrying out an action that harmed a child.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
On mansion tax, I noted that Balls said yesterday that anyone earning over £42000 would not be allowed to defer the tax to sale or death.
Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-
1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.
2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.
It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.
The other question is why they are insisting on central government taking a chunk of property taxes, when property taxes have traditionally been returned to the local authorities? They're just trying to steal more of the money of London and the SE of England to subsidise their fiefdoms in the rest of the country.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
The question is why no child protection charity in the UK complain about the Greens are happy to be led by a paedophile, and why there was no media coverage of it in the UK.
The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
I think that there is a distinction to make between people who now disown things that they wrote or said about four decades ago, and people who stand by comments that they have made more recently.
I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?
I would have thought the more important difference would be between someone articulating some obnoxious views, and someone confessing to actually carrying out an action that harmed a child.
That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.
Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
I am not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies. Are you saying that unless the criticise everything wrong they cannot criticise anything. From where I am sitting matters relating to the holocaust and Nazism look like things Jewish organisations have every right to express opinions on. I don't believe a failure to criticise the Greens disqualifies them from doing so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
Your obsession with pedophilia is quite disturbing. I know people who have worked in vice squads all their lives who don't go on about it as much as you.
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
I am not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies. Are you saying that unless the criticise everything wrong they cannot criticise anything. From where I am sitting matters relating to the holocaust and Nazism look like things Jewish organisations have every right to express opinions on. I don't believe a failure to criticise the Greens disqualifies them from doing so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Fine. I'm not talking about the Board of Deputies. I'm asking about no response from child protection charities or journalists. Why do you think that was?
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.
"Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52 Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.
Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?
Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
It's deja vu all over again. Back in 2009, the leader of the Conservatives' Polish partner in the ECR, Michael Kaminski, was branded a holocaust-denier.
I am enjoying how the members of the Jewish Board of Deputies have become a part of the metropolitan liberal elite for daring to criticise UKIP's relationship with a Polish Nazi sympathiser. How dare they speak out in that way. It's PC gone mad. The only possible explanation is that they are hypocritical lefties.
Stereotype the other side's views all you want. Why do you think there was no media coverage or groups criticising a self-confessed paedophile who wasn't just IN the Greens group, but actually LED it?
I am not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies. Are you saying that unless the criticise everything wrong they cannot criticise anything. From where I am sitting matters relating to the holocaust and Nazism look like things Jewish organisations have every right to express opinions on. I don't believe a failure to criticise the Greens disqualifies them from doing so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Fine. I'm not talking about the Board of Deputies. I'm asking about no response from child protection charities or journalists. Why do you think that was?
I don't know. As I say, though, I'm not sure what that has to do with the Board of Deputies criticising UKIP.
This is the second plainly inappropriate Inquiry head to be nominated.
You do not have to be a conspiracy theorist to suspect it is deliberate.
BBC News24 - claiming 'it would take a couple of years'...
looks as if the wide terms of reference covering many different aspects of abuse is a deliberate ploy to kick whole subject into the long grass until long after the 2015 GE.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.
"They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.
Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?
Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't
How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.
Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?
Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
As far as I am aware there is no evidence, no accusation, no witness to suggest that this particular individual is a practising paedophile except for an article which he wrote which he now renounces.
I do believe it is possible for people to make mistakes and later regret them, yes. Obviously it would be very different if someone were to allege that he had abused them.
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.
"They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
While I admire your persistence on this I fear that a meme has been born and it will take more than the mere truth to drive it out.
Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't
How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
His leader is apparently a holocaust denier yes.. and he is also not in the group with UKIP
The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.
"They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
While I admire your persistence on this I fear that a meme has been born and it will take more than the mere truth to drive it out.
Truth-ish. The guy who joined UKIP's group isn't the holocaust denier,but the leader of his group is. Does that count a being 'involved'. He did however say that women should be beaten, apparently that was funny. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706001
Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved with a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't
How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
Difference this time isam is they are not getting away with it. The great British public have been hood winked time and again regarding never been allowed to mention immigration for fear of being labelled a racist.
And where has that got us? What good did that do the 1,400 victims of not just the grooming gangs in Rotherham, they were also victims of the PC nutjobs, which include the Tory councillors, the Lib Dems, the South Yorkshire police as well as the disgusting Labour councillors and MP's in that region, one of whom has just come out of jail.
They can smear Ukip all they want it will not work this time, and judging by the actions of the smug on here they know it too.
How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
That would be, except that in this case he now says that was a fiction intended to be deliberately provocative.
Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
So a man claims something happened, and then, decades later, when it becomes politically problematic for him, claims it was just fiction, and you believe him on that basis? Seriously?
Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
As far as I am aware there is no evidence, no accusation, no witness to suggest that this particular individual is a practising paedophile except for an article which he wrote which he now renounces.
I do believe it is possible for people to make mistakes and later regret them, yes. Obviously it would be very different if someone were to allege that he had abused them.
It was actual in multiple channels he made the claim. The first one stated:
My constant flirt with all the children soon took on erotic characteristics. I could really feel how from the age of five the small girls had already learnt to make passes at me. It's hardly believable. Most of the time I was fairly defenceless.
In a second publication he added:
It has happened to me several times that a few children opened the flies of my trousers and started to stroke me. I reacted differently each time according to the circumstances, but their desire confronted me with problems. I asked them: "Why don't you play with each other, why have you chosen me and not other children?" But when they insisted on it, I then stroked them. For that reason I was accused of perverted behaviour.
He also described being involved in an "erotic game" with a five year in a TV interview.
Do you really believe for one minute that this man was just being provocative?
Dem beardy Jews are causin' a stink But dey can't tell us what to tink It's time to fight back, it's our country too We'll take no lesson off no Jew
To a fun-filled calypso beat, of course.
We await the equivalent liberal outrage when it is revealed that the UK Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are members of a European Party (the GEFA) co-chaired by an ex-communist revolutionary and self-confessed pedophile who has written of his "beautiful seduction" by a six year old girl - Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
You´re better off waiting for the second coming. Or Godot.
I am struggling to work out why it is unreasonable for the British Board of Deputies to be upset that UKIP is working with a Holocaust denier. Can you help?
No you aren't. You're deliberately missing the point - stick to election/referendum forecasting where your credibility is fully established on this site.
So you can't explain it. They just shouldn't. Got it.
"They're not working with a holocaust denier" is one way of putting the record straight I reckon
The Lib Dems work with Ward and Jihad Jenny, don't see that get mentioned too much.
How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
On mansion tax, I noted that Balls said yesterday that anyone earning over £42000 would not be allowed to defer the tax to sale or death.
Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-
1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.
2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.
It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.
Hodges rages against the Mansion Tax in this afternoon's blog piece in DT, describing it as "a tax on voting Labour in London". Partly he's mad with anger because he will now pay it. Or he will if Labour win, but he doesn't think they will so why is he worried?
What he doesn't say is that this is creating a new class of tax, effectively a state ground rent on people's property (although he does say he doesn't believe it will stay at £2million mark, which is sort of saying the same thing). Maybe we do want this kind of tax in this country, but the debate has been lacking on the longer term consequences.
How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
The party leader is two steps apart, so I don't feel he is associated with UKIP. I'm still trying to understand the statements the guy himself made to judge fairly.
Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't
How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
His leader is apparently a holocaust denier yes.. and he is also not in the group with UKIP
The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
Wriggling a bit to get hold of the dosh, just like the other politicians.
How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
I can't say that I'm thrilled by his presence, but it's a case of needs must. The rules of the EU Parliament drastically reduce the power of any party that is Non Iscrit.
How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
How happy are the LD's working with Ward, Tonge or Hancock, or those that worked with Smith in the past knowing what he was up to in his spare time?
I'm not a Kipper, but I think this is as ludicrous as Latvian Homophobes as a premise against the Tories.
As someone noted, the German Greenies have their own baggage. All parties have theirs.
And quite frankly, no one who isn't hugely politically active/partisan gives a stuff about a sub-group of MEPs. Most people in the UK have no idea who their MEP is on a good day - nevermind what other sorts they're under same banner with in the EU Parly.
How comfortable are our resident kippers with the idea of UKIP being associated with this MEP for funding purposes, given his past statements and the views of his party leader?
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
Anyone reading this might think UKIP are involved a holocaust denier in the EU.. but they aren't
How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
According to the interview I saw UKIP have joined with a guy who thinks that women should be beaten and who's leader is the holocaust denier. Is that the case?
His leader is apparently a holocaust denier yes.. and he is also not in the group with UKIP
The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
Wriggling a bit to get hold of the dosh, just like the other politicians.
It's the speaking time that's more important. It would seem very wrong if europhiles get a free platform to air their views but eurosceptics do not.
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Like you I know all UK parties have underdesireables in their EU groupings, but a Guardian reading Labour supporter in Rochester might view it differently.
Oh wait, they don't give a damn about that.
Sack Eisenhower, Omaha beach is a disaster.
We've lost the Second World War.
Sack that poncey boots Gaylord Marlborough educated PM, he's an old drunk.
Labour supporters won't get out of bed for this one.
UKIP supporters will.
The Left only cares about extremists when they're connected to the Right.
But it Poles that elected these people, not UKIP
It isn't the holocaust denier they are working with
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I don't know his politics - but he's been in A&E for 20yrs so guessing he's more of a Lefty.
I think there might be one of them in Essex too
Imagine the 30s....
Live to Berlin now......Gary, what do moderate Nazis think of the events of Kristallnacht?
Conservative voters believe by a margin of 51/33% that EU citizens should not have the right to come to the UK. But by a margin of 49/32%, they believe that British citizens should have the right to live and work in the EU
Again, I really don't get the *by extension, therefore...* whataboutery.
I know it's all knockabout fun on PB, but rather a lot of people do take such tangential stuff rather too literally, for my taste.
Only in America....
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/21/conservative-american-fox-news-liberals-pew-survey-cnn
I don't know whether the person criticised by the British Board of Deputies stands by anything he has previously said about Holocaust Denial, but as a hypothetical situation surely you can see that there is a difference?
Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0j_ffeCM0M
Who is or certainly was of Jewish faith.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29703282
Plus he´s a hard left hero from 1968.
"Churchill wins in 1945, means no NHS."
Everything could have been just like it was in the thirties, and we would all have had scones and cream for tea?
"one in a Wellington."
Was it in the pilot's seat or just as a passenger?
Also, I thought every party had a national health service included in their '45 manifestoes?
This bit got my attention;
"The former head of the Financial Times group, who began her new job 10 days ago, did not rule out subscriptions for some programming alongside the licence fee."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29702501
I think that's completely unacceptable. You can't demand money as of right from everyone with a TV or radio, and then fence off some bits and demand more money for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9N4ZBPlPU
This was less impressive the time she caught her collar on something around the back there.
At the moment the licence fee is frozen. Suppose the government agreed to allow the BBC to start charging subscriptions for some content, but only on the condition that the licence fee was cut by £x per year?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11176929/Italian-miner-avoids-work-for-35-years-before-retiring-aged-52.html
"Italian miner avoids work for 35 years before retiring aged 52
Carlo Cani confesses he draws a pension despite inventing an imaginative range of excuses for not venturing down a mine in Sardinia over 35-year career"
Now I have no idea how many people earning just over that sum who bought their house decades ago and must now find ca. £2K p.a. to pay the mansion tax. But it's worth noting that at that level of income:-
1. They will be basic rate tax payers. Only a tiny proportion of their income will be subject to the 40p tax rate let alone anything higher. The optics of having a mansion tax paid by basic rate tax payers who are - in effect - being penalised for having lived in their homes a long time and inflation- are not good for Labour. It will increase the fear that this will very rapidly become a tax on all houses.
2. Finding an extra £2K p.a. to pay is not going to be easy. The tax could easily become a person's single biggest commitment.
It seems to me that Labour have made a silly mistake by their reference to the £42K threshold because it will allow others to say that Labour think anyone earning over this level is the sort of mega-rich mansion owner that people think of when talking about £2mio + houses.
“It’s shameful. This is a poor region and there is no work. All the young people are leaving and moving to England and Germany.”
You do not have to be a conspiracy theorist to suspect it is deliberate.
Isam says that the Board of Deputies have fingered the wrong person - that the MEP in question hasn't ever said anything denying the holocaust. If that is the case then it increasingly looks like they have made an error, and they will regret not fact-checking the story rigorously first.
One had a litter in the foot-well of my Spitfire... "one in a Wellington."
Was it in the pilot's seat or just as a passenger?
It was even written about in The Guardian more than a decade ago.
Let's also put this in the context of the German Greens being pro-paedophilia in the 1980s.
It's deja vu all over again. Back in 2009, the leader of the Conservatives' Polish partner in the ECR, Michael Kaminski, was branded a holocaust-denier.
AUDIO: Nigel Farage - when Polish MEP said hitting a wife can bring them "back down to earth", it was "a joke" bbc.in/1wibKgU #wato
What larks...
How easily a false impression is allowed to flourish
looks as if the wide terms of reference covering many different aspects of abuse is a deliberate ploy to kick whole subject into the long grass until long after the 2015 GE.
I do believe it is possible for people to make mistakes and later regret them, yes. Obviously it would be very different if someone were to allege that he had abused them.
The other guy says the wife beating comment was a joke doesn't he? Is that a reason not to be involved with him?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706001
And where has that got us? What good did that do the 1,400 victims of not just the grooming gangs in Rotherham, they were also victims of the PC nutjobs, which include the Tory councillors, the Lib Dems, the South Yorkshire police as well as the disgusting Labour councillors and MP's in that region, one of whom has just come out of jail.
They can smear Ukip all they want it will not work this time, and judging by the actions of the smug on here they know it too.
This is intended as an open and free-standing question.
My constant flirt with all the children soon took on erotic characteristics. I could really feel how from the age of five the small girls had already learnt to make passes at me. It's hardly believable. Most of the time I was fairly defenceless.
In a second publication he added:
It has happened to me several times that a few children opened the flies of my trousers and started to stroke me. I reacted differently each time according to the circumstances, but their desire confronted me with problems. I asked them: "Why don't you play with each other, why have you chosen me and not other children?" But when they insisted on it, I then stroked them. For that reason I was accused of perverted behaviour.
He also described being involved in an "erotic game" with a five year in a TV interview.
Do you really believe for one minute that this man was just being provocative?
What he doesn't say is that this is creating a new class of tax, effectively a state ground rent on people's property (although he does say he doesn't believe it will stay at £2million mark, which is sort of saying the same thing). Maybe we do want this kind of tax in this country, but the debate has been lacking on the longer term consequences.
As someone noted, the German Greenies have their own baggage. All parties have theirs.
And quite frankly, no one who isn't hugely politically active/partisan gives a stuff about a sub-group of MEPs. Most people in the UK have no idea who their MEP is on a good day - nevermind what other sorts they're under same banner with in the EU Parly.
Tiny bit green overall. The two bets of which I was confident did not come off, the 'long shot' (3.15) which I felt was 50/50 did.