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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    edited October 2014
    HYUFD said:

    RobD Listening to an hour of Jeremy Hunt and Angela Eagle droning on is a perfect cure for insomnia

    I;m not sure what the consensus is these days, is Hunt hated as a health secretary? I thought he has preformed rather well today...
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Angela Eagle getting an absolutely deserved shoeing on QT for trying to continue to push the Labour line on Freud. Interesting.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Eagle getting a lot of stick from the audience and rightly so.. the public don't fall for the faux outrage anymore thank god

    Disgraceful performance rumbled
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    HYUFD said:

    Jeremy Hunt just stated he played Nick Clegg in mock TV debates

    If memory serves from "The British General Election of 2010" by Cowley and Co, he won every mock debate by doing exactly what Clegg did. The Tories just couldn't work out a counter strategy in time.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Lennon said:


    Sheppey Central (Swale) result:
    UKIP - 58.4% (+42.7)
    CON - 22.8% (-21.2)
    LAB - 16.9% (-15.2)
    OMRLP - 1.9% (-6.4)
    )

    UKIP surge!
    The only thing of note is that UKIP took virtually equal percentages from both parties - 48% and 47%
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Watching Obama on TV today. The usual stock shot of him walking along the colonaded passage outside the White House. He's pigeon toed, but only with his left foot.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Fascinating. @bbcquestiontime not buying Labour's line on Freud row.

    @MrHarryCole: The Eagle has crash landed #bbcqt
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Eagle and Labour have been trying to take people for mugs over Freud. It's backfired. Miliband's comments in PMQs yesterday were a stain on his character.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Quincel Indeed, mind you Hunt is basically a LD in all but name so not surprising he played a good Liberal leader
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Time to crack that case of Blue Nun!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    RobD He is not hated, but in my view is not a good health secretary, whereas Gove was hated but in my opinion was a good education secretary. Healthcare needs more choice in my view, including insurance for those who can afford it, but I know my view is in the minority at the moment, so we will keep throwing money at it we cannot afford
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
    Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited October 2014
    York is a landslide Lib Dem gain from Labour

    LD 1804 Lab 588 UKIP 398 Con 113 Green 87 Eng Dem 5
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
    Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
    Can you imagine the disgrace if the KIP only get 3-4??? Oh the shame!
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    No Lib Dem Candidate probably resulted in the small pro-Labour swing.
  • "...What I was picking up from my lefty chums."

    Is there something you wish to tell us, Mark?

    I get on with anyone, me.

    Except Derby County fans.
    Yooooou Reds. ;-)
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
    So good result for Rochester, not so good for Thurrock. Rochester is more important, so on the whole a small uptick.


  • RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    I was just thinking exactly the same myself
  • weejonnie said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    No Lib Dem Candidate probably resulted in the small pro-Labour swing.
    Good point.

    Still a bit surprised that UKIP couldn't eat into either the Labour or Tory vote. Maybe organisational issues? Maybe they threw more resources at Swale, the more immediately obvious target?

    Corker of a result for them there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    edited October 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Quincel Indeed, mind you Hunt is basically a LD in all but name so not surprising he played a good Liberal leader

    In fairness, I've all had 4 years to think about it now and I still can't work out what Cameron and Brown could really have done. Maybe they didn't need to make it worse by alternating "I agree with Nick" and obviously-cynically attacking him, but I can't offer much better than that even with hindsight.

    EDIT: On a related topic: according to "Double Down", a similar book on the US 2012 election, John Kerry is an expert at this. He apparently studies the individual and picks up everything from their mannerisms to argument style perfectly. He's done mock debates a few times since 2004, at a Presidential and Senatorial level.

    Again, according to Double Down.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
    Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
    Yup.

    Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Bolton is Labour hold

    Lab 1176 UKIP 777 Con 282 Green 38 LD 28 Ind 19
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
    Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
    Yup.

    Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)

    Sorry, missed that, what was it? Perhaps you'll lay me a back price?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    edited October 2014
    Quincel Indeed, Clegg was a fresh, centrist face in 2010, now he is the Deputy PM in government and it is Farage who is the anti establishment new kid on the block

    Yes, also read 'Double Down', I think Kerry did an excellent Romney in 2012, though as the book says his statement that Romney was a rich, out of touch elitist was made without a hint of irony
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    weejonnie said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    No Lib Dem Candidate probably resulted in the small pro-Labour swing.
    Good point.

    Still a bit surprised that UKIP couldn't eat into either the Labour or Tory vote. Maybe organisational issues? Maybe they threw more resources at Swale, the more immediately obvious target?

    Corker of a result for them there.
    There's another by election in the Constituency next month, so we will see how that one goes

    This one was the death of a Labour councillor, next one was a Kipper.. if that makes any difference
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2014
    I am just amazed at the number of political commercials on TV this election cycle.

    Living where I do - between Athens and Rome - I tend to see more Republican ones than Democrats.

    The Republican ads tend to link the candidate to Obama - "Michelle Nunn voted with Obama 96% of the time" voiced over a photo of Obama with his arm around her. They also mention Obamacare, which is very unpopular here.

    Democratic ads can't mention either Obama or his signature law. So they tend to the negative and personal attacks. Blaming the Republicans for Ebola is the worst example thus far.
  • Labour's vote holding up where it needs to?

    Interesting.

    Good night all.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
  • Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    Crime Figs June 13 to 14

    Rapes up 29%
    Knifepoint rapes up 48%
    Race hate crime up 4%
    Religious hate crime up 45%
    Total crime down 16%

    Looks like the old bill are on the case with late library books and parking on double yellows

    Now, now don't do the Home Office propaganda officer's job for him. The crime figures for Fraud and Cyber crime have been hived off (and the cyber crime figures are doctored as well) to a new Fraud agency and they do not appear in the general crime figures released today.

    Labour claimed this morning that with them included crime is up.......
    The ONS is quite clear:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-june-2014/stb-crime-stats--year-ending-june-2014.html#tab-Sexual-offences

    "It is difficult to obtain reliable information on the volume of sexual offences as it is known that a high proportion of offences are not reported to the police and changes in recorded figures may reflect changes in reporting or recording rates rather than actual victimisation.There are likely to be two main of factors in the rise in police recorded rape and sexual offences; an increase in the willingness of victims to come forward and report these crimes to the police, and an improvement in crime recording by the police for these offences."

    Unless you think rapes in Durham are actually up by 185% in a year, this seems likely.
    Very interesting. However, I have no idea why you thought to respond to me in such a manner. Your response bares absolutely no relationship to my post which did not refer to the volumes of sexual offences. I posted about fraud and cybercrime. Clearly you have my post mistaken for some imaginary post which you have replied to.........
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Rutland Oakham Con hold Con 240 Ind 177 LD 43
    Rutland Whissendine LD gain from Ind LD 192 Con 179
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
    The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!

    (this is getting silly...!)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Lennon said:

    W-Thurrock & S-Stifford (Thurrock) result:
    LAB - 50.3% (+1.4)
    UKIP - 34.6% (-0.7)
    CON - 15.1% (-0.7)

    Ooh.. not over yet in Thurrock
    Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.

    UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
    Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
    Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.

    Got to be disappointed.
    Yeah a bit..

    Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass

    Keeps us on our toes!!
    Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
    Yup.

    Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)

    Sorry, missed that, what was it? Perhaps you'll lay me a back price?
    I offered to bet that your bet would be void.

    But sorry, Sir, I'm afraid that bet is no longer available.

    Tee hee !

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
    I heard you were the daddy of them all.....
  • isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Matthew Parris 'Reading the comments on my UKIP columns I finally understand the Nazis'
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/matthew-parris/9342492/reading-the-comments-on-my-ukip-columns-i-finally-understand-the-nazis/
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
    The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!

    (this is getting silly...!)
    I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
    The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!

    (this is getting silly...!)
    I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
    Hah! I think I actually remember seeing one of those!

    I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
    He wasn't stating that they do, merely that the sort of bullshit Abbot and her party - and all the main parties - propagate in general is not appreciated by normal citizens.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Bolton is Labour hold

    Lab 1176 UKIP 777 Con 282 Green 38 LD 28 Ind 19

    I make that

    Lab 50.69 -1.3%
    UKIP 33.49 +15.5%
    CON 12.16 - 11%

    What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?

    Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
    Oh I live near enough to count as one!

    So one
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
    Fair enough. But synthetic outrage won't carry Ed to Number 10. I've been a pretty certain Tory voter throughout, so it doesn't really matter, but I genuinely think a lot less of Ed after his performance this week.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
    The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!

    (this is getting silly...!)
    I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
    Hah! I think I actually remember seeing one of those!

    I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
    Actually I think they are still trying to get rid of the badger flavoured ones!

    ;-)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
    Oh I live near enough to count as one!

    So one
    Would that be the same number of good citizens of West Thurrock who read pb.com? :-)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?

    Saving Private Ryan for me :)

    "By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
    You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
    If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
    The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
    OGH never told you what happened to your father!
    Noooooooo!
    Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
    The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!

    (this is getting silly...!)
    I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
    Hah! I think I actually remember seeing one of those!

    I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
    Actually I think they are still trying to get rid of the badger flavoured ones!

    ;-)
    Oven ready badger....
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Watching the TV news networks - the headline story is "nurse being rushed from Dallas to NIH".

    The overhead shot shows the ambulance surrounded by police cars stopped at a red light.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Abbott getting a shoeing on This Week from Portillo, Neil and Miranda for the same reason Eagle was booed on QT

    Synthetic rage about Lord Freud's comments have been seen by the public for the political stunt it was... shame on Labour
  • isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
    Fair enough. But synthetic outrage won't carry Ed to Number 10. I've been a pretty certain Tory voter throughout, so it doesn't really matter, but I genuinely think a lot less of Ed after his performance this week.
    It pretty much passed me by, TP.

    I find partisan point-scoring tedious at the best of times and when it concerns something like the treatment of the disabled I switch off completely.

    The related PB thread was truly wretched. I would much prefer to spend the evening down the pub, even with the good citizens of West Thurrock.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    weejonnie said:

    Bolton is Labour hold

    Lab 1176 UKIP 777 Con 282 Green 38 LD 28 Ind 19

    I make that

    Lab 50.69 -1.3%
    UKIP 33.49 +15.5%
    CON 12.16 - 11%

    What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?

    Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
    You are not comparing the figures to the last time the election was fought which was in May this year

    Lab 1713 UKIP 726 Con 366 Green 115 LD 86

    You are using previous figures from a by election in 2013
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    HYUFD said:
    bien-pensant wanker...
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Kingston Upon Thames Tudor is a Con hold but a swing to Lib Dems
    Con 1062 LD 725 Lab 314 UKIP 269 Green 219
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)

    Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT

    How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
    Oh I live near enough to count as one!

    So one
    Lol !

    The LD point made by Weejohny may explain the Thurrock result so we will have to wait and see how UKIP fare in a month's time. We'll declare an open verdict for the moment.

    Not so at Swale. That does look good for Reckless.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Kingston Upon Thames Tudor is a Con hold but a swing to Lib Dems
    Con 1062 LD 725 Lab 314 UKIP 269 Green 219

    What was the swing in Bolton?
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Neither are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties.

    Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Rod Indeed he has gone over the top again, but his articles certainly know how to attract attention
  • RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:
    bien-pensant wanker...
    I'm sorry Rod, I have to object.

    There is absolutely no need to hyphenate bien pensant.

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Exactly. What's the point of 90% of the voters being forced to listen to the blatherings of Salmond or Sturgeon, when they can neither vote for or against them in the election?
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    Its not just the Tories who have been troubled by the idea of ditching the free movement of labour:

    The Staggering Immigration Poll Numbers Driving Even Democrats To Denounce Amnesty

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/16/Staggering-Immigration-Poll-Numbers-Driving-Even-Democrats-To-Denounce-Amnesty
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:
    bien-pensant wanker...
    I'm sorry Rod, I have to object.

    There is absolutely no need to hyphenate bien pensant.

    Your kind of sloppiness is the sort up with which I will not put...

    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bien-pensant
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Ninoinoz said:

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Neither are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties.

    Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
    It's late, I meant Britain. You know what I mean.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    edited October 2014
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:
    bien-pensant wanker...
    I'm sorry Rod, I have to object.

    There is absolutely no need to hyphenate bien pensant.

    Your kind of sloppiness is the sort up with which I will not put...

    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bien-pensant
    :-)

    Some do, some don't. I guess it's the way you're brought up.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:
    bien-pensant wanker...
    I'm sorry Rod, I have to object.

    There is absolutely no need to hyphenate bien pensant.

    Your kind of sloppiness is the sort up with which I will not put...

    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bien-pensant
    :-)

    Some do, some don't. I guess it's the way you're brought up.
    As a noun, no hyphen. As an adjective, hyphen.

    Simple!
  • oldnatoldnat Posts: 136

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
    Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.

    You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    isam said:

    Kingston Upon Thames Tudor is a Con hold but a swing to Lib Dems
    Con 1062 LD 725 Lab 314 UKIP 269 Green 219

    What was the swing in Bolton?
    From the 2013 B/E or from May this year ??
  • RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    HYUFD said:
    bien-pensant wanker...
    I'm sorry Rod, I have to object.

    There is absolutely no need to hyphenate bien pensant.

    Your kind of sloppiness is the sort up with which I will not put...

    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bien-pensant
    :-)

    Some do, some don't. I guess it's the way you're brought up.
    As a noun, no hyphen. As an adjective, hyphen.

    Simple!
    Touchee!

    Nite Rod, nite everybody.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Rossendale was a Con hold Con 771 Lab 444 UKIP 364
    Conwt was a Con hold Con 143 Ind 116 Ind 104 Lab 98 Ind 69 Ind 43
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    oldnat said:



    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
    Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.

    You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
    Nice to see the tail is still trying to wag the dog!

    PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
    It surely can't be beyond the wit of man to arrange separate debates for all the constituent parts of Britain.

  • Ninoinoz said:

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Neither are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties.

    Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
    There is a Conservative presence in NI, mostly in North Down. Alliance are the sister-party of the LDs, while the SDLP take the Labour whip, or at least they used to.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Anyone who thinks the Greens are going up in the polls should look at their performance in today's byelections . In the 3 seats they contested , their vote share fell by over half
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014

    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
    It surely can't be beyond the wit of man to arrange separate debates for all the constituent parts of Britain.

    No just beyond the wit of the establishment political parties!
  • oldnatoldnat Posts: 136

    oldnat said:



    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
    Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.

    You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
    Nice to see the tail is still trying to wag the dog!

    PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
    Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.

    Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?

    Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.

    Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    oldnat said:

    oldnat said:



    Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.

    Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.

    Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
    Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.

    You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
    Nice to see the tail is still trying to wag the dog!

    PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
    Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.

    Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?

    Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.

    Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
    If you do not want to be involved in issues that effect you such as the Economy, Defence, Immigration and Foreign Affairs then fine but why then are your leaders whining about being excluded? It is they not me or I suspect the vast majority of we English who wish to impose the debates on you. it is your leaders. That very fact makes your bile filled rants look absurd......

    PS Just because they will be on one of the TV channels doesn't mean you have to watch them. There is no decree forcing you to . You can turn the telly onto something else.....
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014


    Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.

    Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?

    Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.

    Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
    It's always about 'us' and 'them' with nationalists isn't it? Trying to promote difference. Have you ever thought that maybe the "petty local issues" experienced south of the border are 9 times out of 10 the same as those experienced north of the border? That people like Miliband, Cameron and Clegg no more represent someone from - dare I say - a place like Thanet than they do a person from Ballantrae?



  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    Liverpool 2 : The Shard 0

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e5ee5d64-5547-11e4-b750-00144feab7de.html#slide0

    http://designinglibraries.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=431

    Second time in 12 months a building in The 'Pool has won a prestigious architectural prize against the London monstrosity...

    Oh don't tell me they got another crooked referee?
    No, and aside from being great buildings, they are also worthy winners.

    Liverpool has the country's oldest Repertory Theatre, and everyone who was anyone made their professional debuts in Liverpool, not London; Redgrave, Harrison, Burton, Dench, Thaw, McKellen, Nighy... the list goes on.

    The public library system was, after all, founded in Liverpool...
  • Fenland was a Conservative hold, both the District and Town Council seats.
  • oldnatoldnat Posts: 136



    Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.

    Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?

    Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.

    Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
    It's always about 'us' and 'them' with nationalists isn't it? Trying to promote difference. Have you ever thought that maybe the "petty local issues" experienced south of the border are 9 times out of 10 the same as those experienced north of the border? That people like Miliband, Cameron and Clegg no more represent someone from - dare I say - a place like Thanet than they do a person from Ballantrae?





    Yep the issues are similar. You discuss how you are going to deal with them in 2015. The rest of us will discuss how we will deal with them in 2016. What is it about devolution that you don't understand - other than all of it?

    We won't broadcast Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish domestic policy debates in 2016. You don't send us your domestic stuff in 2015. Deal?

    Your Kentish colleague seems even more confused. "If you do not want to be involved in issues that effect you such as the Economy, Defence, Immigration and Foreign Affairs". Those are UK wide issues. They should be discussed in UK-wide broadcasts. Just keep your own local stuff to yourselves, and have a UK election on common UK issues.

    If those in England insist on having their own local issues decided by a UK Parliament, you might at least have the decency not to imagine that those issues should be discussed other than in England.

    One of the joys of modern broadcasting is that people can choose to visit other regions' debates if they wish. There is no need to impose your stuff on everybody. To do so would be the conscious choice of people too ignorant to understand the modern UK.
  • Three guesses as to which of the four main parties has lost vote-share at every single Westminster by-election (all 18) this Parliament thus far?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Three guesses as to which of the four main parties has lost vote-share at every single Westminster by-election (all 18) this Parliament thus far?

    The Tories, obviously...

  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    weejonnie said:

    Bolton is Labour hold

    Lab 1176 UKIP 777 Con 282 Green 38 LD 28 Ind 19

    I make that

    Lab 50.69 -1.3%
    UKIP 33.49 +15.5%
    CON 12.16 - 11%

    What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?

    Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
    You are not comparing the figures to the last time the election was fought which was in May this year

    Lab 1713 UKIP 726 Con 366 Green 115 LD 86

    You are using previous figures from a by election in 2013
    Labour 57% --> 50.69 = - 6.3
    UKIP.....24.1 --> 33.49 = +9.4
    CON .... 12.2 --> 12.2 = No Change

    Again assume LDs returning to Labour offset Labour going to UKIP.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,080
    Some background to the York result. In 2011 Labour gained this ward defeating the Lib Dem group leader in the process. The by-election was caused when one of the Labour councillors elected in 2011 died. However in the meantime he had defected to the Lib Dems. The seat has now been regained by the former Lib Dem leader. The big local issue was a proposal to build a large number of new houses in the ward.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,080
    Sorry - that should be 'she' defected. I now learn that 4 other Labour councillors have resigned the whip and as a result Labour have lost control of the council.
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