Jeremy Hunt just stated he played Nick Clegg in mock TV debates
If memory serves from "The British General Election of 2010" by Cowley and Co, he won every mock debate by doing exactly what Clegg did. The Tories just couldn't work out a counter strategy in time.
Watching Obama on TV today. The usual stock shot of him walking along the colonaded passage outside the White House. He's pigeon toed, but only with his left foot.
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Eagle and Labour have been trying to take people for mugs over Freud. It's backfired. Miliband's comments in PMQs yesterday were a stain on his character.
RobD He is not hated, but in my view is not a good health secretary, whereas Gove was hated but in my opinion was a good education secretary. Healthcare needs more choice in my view, including insurance for those who can afford it, but I know my view is in the minority at the moment, so we will keep throwing money at it we cannot afford
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Keeps us on our toes!!
Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
Can you imagine the disgrace if the KIP only get 3-4??? Oh the shame!
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
No Lib Dem Candidate probably resulted in the small pro-Labour swing.
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Keeps us on our toes!!
So good result for Rochester, not so good for Thurrock. Rochester is more important, so on the whole a small uptick.
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
No Lib Dem Candidate probably resulted in the small pro-Labour swing.
Good point.
Still a bit surprised that UKIP couldn't eat into either the Labour or Tory vote. Maybe organisational issues? Maybe they threw more resources at Swale, the more immediately obvious target?
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
Quincel Indeed, mind you Hunt is basically a LD in all but name so not surprising he played a good Liberal leader
In fairness, I've all had 4 years to think about it now and I still can't work out what Cameron and Brown could really have done. Maybe they didn't need to make it worse by alternating "I agree with Nick" and obviously-cynically attacking him, but I can't offer much better than that even with hindsight.
EDIT: On a related topic: according to "Double Down", a similar book on the US 2012 election, John Kerry is an expert at this. He apparently studies the individual and picks up everything from their mannerisms to argument style perfectly. He's done mock debates a few times since 2004, at a Presidential and Senatorial level.
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Keeps us on our toes!!
Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
Yup.
Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Keeps us on our toes!!
Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
Yup.
Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)
Sorry, missed that, what was it? Perhaps you'll lay me a back price?
Quincel Indeed, Clegg was a fresh, centrist face in 2010, now he is the Deputy PM in government and it is Farage who is the anti establishment new kid on the block
Yes, also read 'Double Down', I think Kerry did an excellent Romney in 2012, though as the book says his statement that Romney was a rich, out of touch elitist was made without a hint of irony
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
No Lib Dem Candidate probably resulted in the small pro-Labour swing.
Good point.
Still a bit surprised that UKIP couldn't eat into either the Labour or Tory vote. Maybe organisational issues? Maybe they threw more resources at Swale, the more immediately obvious target?
Corker of a result for them there.
There's another by election in the Constituency next month, so we will see how that one goes
This one was the death of a Labour councillor, next one was a Kipper.. if that makes any difference
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
I am just amazed at the number of political commercials on TV this election cycle.
Living where I do - between Athens and Rome - I tend to see more Republican ones than Democrats.
The Republican ads tend to link the candidate to Obama - "Michelle Nunn voted with Obama 96% of the time" voiced over a photo of Obama with his arm around her. They also mention Obamacare, which is very unpopular here.
Democratic ads can't mention either Obama or his signature law. So they tend to the negative and personal attacks. Blaming the Republicans for Ebola is the worst example thus far.
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
Rapes up 29% Knifepoint rapes up 48% Race hate crime up 4% Religious hate crime up 45% Total crime down 16%
Looks like the old bill are on the case with late library books and parking on double yellows
Now, now don't do the Home Office propaganda officer's job for him. The crime figures for Fraud and Cyber crime have been hived off (and the cyber crime figures are doctored as well) to a new Fraud agency and they do not appear in the general crime figures released today.
Labour claimed this morning that with them included crime is up.......
"It is difficult to obtain reliable information on the volume of sexual offences as it is known that a high proportion of offences are not reported to the police and changes in recorded figures may reflect changes in reporting or recording rates rather than actual victimisation.There are likely to be two main of factors in the rise in police recorded rape and sexual offences; an increase in the willingness of victims to come forward and report these crimes to the police, and an improvement in crime recording by the police for these offences."
Unless you think rapes in Durham are actually up by 185% in a year, this seems likely.
Very interesting. However, I have no idea why you thought to respond to me in such a manner. Your response bares absolutely no relationship to my post which did not refer to the volumes of sexual offences. I posted about fraud and cybercrime. Clearly you have my post mistaken for some imaginary post which you have replied to.........
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!
Yes, that's pretty tough resistance from Labour there.
UKIP will need Tory help to get over the line at the GE. Will they get it, or will it be 'Vote Tory, Get Ed'?
Its apparently the safest Labour ward in the constituency.. The UKIP candidate said if they won tonight it would almost be all over next year, so I don't think he was really expecting to win
Maybe not win, but there's been no movement.
Got to be disappointed.
Yeah a bit..
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Keeps us on our toes!!
Maybe our bet won't be void after all...
Yup.
Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)
Sorry, missed that, what was it? Perhaps you'll lay me a back price?
I offered to bet that your bet would be void.
But sorry, Sir, I'm afraid that bet is no longer available.
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!
(this is getting silly...!)
I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!
(this is getting silly...!)
I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
Hah! I think I actually remember seeing one of those!
I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)
Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT
How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
He wasn't stating that they do, merely that the sort of bullshit Abbot and her party - and all the main parties - propagate in general is not appreciated by normal citizens.
What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?
Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)
Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT
How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
Fair enough. But synthetic outrage won't carry Ed to Number 10. I've been a pretty certain Tory voter throughout, so it doesn't really matter, but I genuinely think a lot less of Ed after his performance this week.
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!
(this is getting silly...!)
I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
Hah! I think I actually remember seeing one of those!
I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
Actually I think they are still trying to get rid of the badger flavoured ones!
Being drunk and watching question time. Can life get any worse?
Saving Private Ryan for me
"By-elections educate the senses, call into action the will, perfect the physical constitution, bring men (and women!) into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man (and woman measures woman!)."
You would prefer another target, a eurosceptic target? Then name the constituency! I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: *Where* is the UKIP base?
If only you knew the power of the Daft Side!
The National Executive Committee will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Ed has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Third Way have been swept away forever.
OGH never told you what happened to your father!
Noooooooo!
Join me and we can rule the Commonwealth as father and son!
The Commonwealth... will die. As will your friends. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Ed side will be complete!
(this is getting silly...!)
I saw a bumper sticker recently (remember them?) which said "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies". Does the Ed side have cookies?
Hah! I think I actually remember seeing one of those!
I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
Actually I think they are still trying to get rid of the badger flavoured ones!
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)
Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT
How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
Fair enough. But synthetic outrage won't carry Ed to Number 10. I've been a pretty certain Tory voter throughout, so it doesn't really matter, but I genuinely think a lot less of Ed after his performance this week.
It pretty much passed me by, TP.
I find partisan point-scoring tedious at the best of times and when it concerns something like the treatment of the disabled I switch off completely.
The related PB thread was truly wretched. I would much prefer to spend the evening down the pub, even with the good citizens of West Thurrock.
What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?
Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
You are not comparing the figures to the last time the election was fought which was in May this year
Lab 1713 UKIP 726 Con 366 Green 115 LD 86
You are using previous figures from a by election in 2013
Diane Abbot & Angela Eagle showed why Labour will continue to lose working class support over and over again (except in West Thurrock tonight!)
Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT
How many of the good citizens of West Thurrock do you think tune in to Question Time, and The Week?
Oh I live near enough to count as one!
So one
Lol !
The LD point made by Weejohny may explain the Thurrock result so we will have to wait and see how UKIP fare in a month's time. We'll declare an open verdict for the moment.
Not so at Swale. That does look good for Reckless.
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Neither are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties.
Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Exactly. What's the point of 90% of the voters being forced to listen to the blatherings of Salmond or Sturgeon, when they can neither vote for or against them in the election?
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Neither are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties.
Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.
You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.
You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
Nice to see the tail is still trying to wag the dog!
PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
It surely can't be beyond the wit of man to arrange separate debates for all the constituent parts of Britain.
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Neither are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties.
Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
There is a Conservative presence in NI, mostly in North Down. Alliance are the sister-party of the LDs, while the SDLP take the Labour whip, or at least they used to.
Anyone who thinks the Greens are going up in the polls should look at their performance in today's byelections . In the 3 seats they contested , their vote share fell by over half
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
It surely can't be beyond the wit of man to arrange separate debates for all the constituent parts of Britain.
No just beyond the wit of the establishment political parties!
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.
You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
Nice to see the tail is still trying to wag the dog!
PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.
Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?
Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.
Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
Why can't the SNP get it into their thick heads that the reason they would not be included in UK-WIDE TV debates is that they are not a UK-WIDE party? It's a pretty easy thing to understand.
Because by getting you to write such things demonstrates to their home audience how antagonistic we English are to their cause. After all the debates will cover issues which affect them just as much as the rest of us such as the EU, Immigration, Defence and so forth. So they do have a stake in the UK wide issues.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
Well those of us outwith England aren't much interested in the details of English domestic politics. You're the only people having that discussion in 2015 - the rest of us will debate these issues in 2016.
You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
Nice to see the tail is still trying to wag the dog!
PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.
Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?
Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.
Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
If you do not want to be involved in issues that effect you such as the Economy, Defence, Immigration and Foreign Affairs then fine but why then are your leaders whining about being excluded? It is they not me or I suspect the vast majority of we English who wish to impose the debates on you. it is your leaders. That very fact makes your bile filled rants look absurd......
PS Just because they will be on one of the TV channels doesn't mean you have to watch them. There is no decree forcing you to . You can turn the telly onto something else.....
Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.
Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?
Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.
Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
It's always about 'us' and 'them' with nationalists isn't it? Trying to promote difference. Have you ever thought that maybe the "petty local issues" experienced south of the border are 9 times out of 10 the same as those experienced north of the border? That people like Miliband, Cameron and Clegg no more represent someone from - dare I say - a place like Thanet than they do a person from Ballantrae?
Second time in 12 months a building in The 'Pool has won a prestigious architectural prize against the London monstrosity...
Oh don't tell me they got another crooked referee?
No, and aside from being great buildings, they are also worthy winners.
Liverpool has the country's oldest Repertory Theatre, and everyone who was anyone made their professional debuts in Liverpool, not London; Redgrave, Harrison, Burton, Dench, Thaw, McKellen, Nighy... the list goes on.
The public library system was, after all, founded in Liverpool...
Doesn't make any difference. Your petty local issues are for you to obsess over. Doesn't make them of any interest to the rest of us - so E TV 4 EL.
Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?
Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.
Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
It's always about 'us' and 'them' with nationalists isn't it? Trying to promote difference. Have you ever thought that maybe the "petty local issues" experienced south of the border are 9 times out of 10 the same as those experienced north of the border? That people like Miliband, Cameron and Clegg no more represent someone from - dare I say - a place like Thanet than they do a person from Ballantrae?
Yep the issues are similar. You discuss how you are going to deal with them in 2015. The rest of us will discuss how we will deal with them in 2016. What is it about devolution that you don't understand - other than all of it?
We won't broadcast Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish domestic policy debates in 2016. You don't send us your domestic stuff in 2015. Deal?
Your Kentish colleague seems even more confused. "If you do not want to be involved in issues that effect you such as the Economy, Defence, Immigration and Foreign Affairs". Those are UK wide issues. They should be discussed in UK-wide broadcasts. Just keep your own local stuff to yourselves, and have a UK election on common UK issues.
If those in England insist on having their own local issues decided by a UK Parliament, you might at least have the decency not to imagine that those issues should be discussed other than in England.
One of the joys of modern broadcasting is that people can choose to visit other regions' debates if they wish. There is no need to impose your stuff on everybody. To do so would be the conscious choice of people too ignorant to understand the modern UK.
What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?
Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
You are not comparing the figures to the last time the election was fought which was in May this year
Lab 1713 UKIP 726 Con 366 Green 115 LD 86
You are using previous figures from a by election in 2013
Labour 57% --> 50.69 = - 6.3 UKIP.....24.1 --> 33.49 = +9.4 CON .... 12.2 --> 12.2 = No Change
Again assume LDs returning to Labour offset Labour going to UKIP.
Some background to the York result. In 2011 Labour gained this ward defeating the Lib Dem group leader in the process. The by-election was caused when one of the Labour councillors elected in 2011 died. However in the meantime he had defected to the Lib Dems. The seat has now been regained by the former Lib Dem leader. The big local issue was a proposal to build a large number of new houses in the ward.
Sorry - that should be 'she' defected. I now learn that 4 other Labour councillors have resigned the whip and as a result Labour have lost control of the council.
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Disgraceful performance rumbled
@MrHarryCole: The Eagle has crash landed #bbcqt
Got to be disappointed.
Labour must have really gone for it to send the likes of Flint down to canvass
Keeps us on our toes!!
LD 1804 Lab 588 UKIP 398 Con 113 Green 87 Eng Dem 5
Still a bit surprised that UKIP couldn't eat into either the Labour or Tory vote. Maybe organisational issues? Maybe they threw more resources at Swale, the more immediately obvious target?
Corker of a result for them there.
EDIT: On a related topic: according to "Double Down", a similar book on the US 2012 election, John Kerry is an expert at this. He apparently studies the individual and picks up everything from their mannerisms to argument style perfectly. He's done mock debates a few times since 2004, at a Presidential and Senatorial level.
Again, according to Double Down.
Kind of glad now that you two wimped out of my sporting challenge! ;-)
Lab 1176 UKIP 777 Con 282 Green 38 LD 28 Ind 19
Yes, also read 'Double Down', I think Kerry did an excellent Romney in 2012, though as the book says his statement that Romney was a rich, out of touch elitist was made without a hint of irony
This one was the death of a Labour councillor, next one was a Kipper.. if that makes any difference
Living where I do - between Athens and Rome - I tend to see more Republican ones than Democrats.
The Republican ads tend to link the candidate to Obama - "Michelle Nunn voted with Obama 96% of the time" voiced over a photo of Obama with his arm around her. They also mention Obamacare, which is very unpopular here.
Democratic ads can't mention either Obama or his signature law. So they tend to the negative and personal attacks. Blaming the Republicans for Ebola is the worst example thus far.
Interesting.
Good night all.
Rutland Whissendine LD gain from Ind LD 192 Con 179
(this is getting silly...!)
Abbott on This Week is an absolute disgrace, and Eagle was hammered by the audience on QT
But sorry, Sir, I'm afraid that bet is no longer available.
Tee hee !
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/matthew-parris/9342492/reading-the-comments-on-my-ukip-columns-i-finally-understand-the-nazis/
I'm sure both sides have most excellent cookies. The Tory ones are obviously made from crushed baby seals.. but apart from that, excellent ;-)
Lab 50.69 -1.3%
UKIP 33.49 +15.5%
CON 12.16 - 11%
What I find surprising is the increase in the number of votes cast from 1434 to 2320. UKIP polled more votes than Labour did last time! Does this ever happen?
Labour 744 (52%), Conservative 325 (23%), UKIP 252 (18%), Greens 60 (4%), Liberal Democrats 53 (4%)
So one
;-)
The overhead shot shows the ambulance surrounded by police cars stopped at a red light.
Synthetic rage about Lord Freud's comments have been seen by the public for the political stunt it was... shame on Labour
I find partisan point-scoring tedious at the best of times and when it concerns something like the treatment of the disabled I switch off completely.
The related PB thread was truly wretched. I would much prefer to spend the evening down the pub, even with the good citizens of West Thurrock.
Lab 1713 UKIP 726 Con 366 Green 115 LD 86
You are using previous figures from a by election in 2013
Con 1062 LD 725 Lab 314 UKIP 269 Green 219
The LD point made by Weejohny may explain the Thurrock result so we will have to wait and see how UKIP fare in a month's time. We'll declare an open verdict for the moment.
Not so at Swale. That does look good for Reckless.
Or did Northern Ireland leave the UK when we weren't looking?
There is absolutely no need to hyphenate bien pensant.
The Staggering Immigration Poll Numbers Driving Even Democrats To Denounce Amnesty
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/16/Staggering-Immigration-Poll-Numbers-Driving-Even-Democrats-To-Denounce-Amnesty
http://www.buzzfeed.com/sirajdatoo/heres-why-ukip-thinks-voters-in-rochester-and-strood-should?utm_term=3wgjfgo#28kal2v
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bien-pensant
Some do, some don't. I guess it's the way you're brought up.
Arguably they and Plaid the NI parties should be included in a 'Federal Debate' (for the want of a better description) that deals with the common issues. The problem being that the SNP in particular would probably turn it into a circus to promote their independence demands which I agree none of the rest of us are interested in..
Simple!
You can have your own little English debate in England, and have UK wide issues only, broadcast across the UK. Just stop boring the rest of us with your petty little issues.
Nite Rod, nite everybody.
Conwt was a Con hold Con 143 Ind 116 Ind 104 Lab 98 Ind 69 Ind 43
PS 55 million in England 8 million without. Do the math!
Why would you want to inflict your crap on us, any more than I want to impose ours on you?
Other, I suppose, that you are particularly arrogant and think we should be enthralled by how you choose to bugger up your country.
Since you employ Americanisms "math", I presume that you are happy for your issues to be swamped by discussion of US issues in their mid-term elections - Do the maths.
PS Just because they will be on one of the TV channels doesn't mean you have to watch them. There is no decree forcing you to . You can turn the telly onto something else.....
Liverpool has the country's oldest Repertory Theatre, and everyone who was anyone made their professional debuts in Liverpool, not London; Redgrave, Harrison, Burton, Dench, Thaw, McKellen, Nighy... the list goes on.
The public library system was, after all, founded in Liverpool...
Yep the issues are similar. You discuss how you are going to deal with them in 2015. The rest of us will discuss how we will deal with them in 2016. What is it about devolution that you don't understand - other than all of it?
We won't broadcast Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish domestic policy debates in 2016. You don't send us your domestic stuff in 2015. Deal?
Your Kentish colleague seems even more confused. "If you do not want to be involved in issues that effect you such as the Economy, Defence, Immigration and Foreign Affairs". Those are UK wide issues. They should be discussed in UK-wide broadcasts. Just keep your own local stuff to yourselves, and have a UK election on common UK issues.
If those in England insist on having their own local issues decided by a UK Parliament, you might at least have the decency not to imagine that those issues should be discussed other than in England.
One of the joys of modern broadcasting is that people can choose to visit other regions' debates if they wish. There is no need to impose your stuff on everybody. To do so would be the conscious choice of people too ignorant to understand the modern UK.
UKIP.....24.1 --> 33.49 = +9.4
CON .... 12.2 --> 12.2 = No Change
Again assume LDs returning to Labour offset Labour going to UKIP.