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The debate about UKIP is hotting up in Labour circles. UKIP are demonstrating they can get past Labour’s defences in a lot of traditional working class communities in a way the Tories never could. A few years ago the purple party were dismissed as ‘the BNP in blazers’ and a party with an appeal limited to southern leafy shires. Not now.
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(Looks a very good read, mind.)
You say there are new suggestions to combat UKIP, without saying what those suggestions are.
It will be great to hear voters tell them to shut up about matters that do not affect them or the constituents they represent.
Looking at the last sentence, then a few pin-pricks on each hand prior to holding the posts and hand rails in a tube train would do the trick. Getting a job at Costa and surreptitiously smearing each takeaway cup (they're red anyway) would also work a treat. The fear and disruption arising from just one or two cases would outweigh a gun attack by an order of magnitude (IMO).
I'm not a LibDem. You may have noticed. But I do believe in fair play.
No-one said anything about banning topics. I just think we should play out some line for Clegg today. I'm sorry you don't understand courtesy.
I expect that level of nuance/subtlety is lost on both sides of that argument though...
Somehow I don;t think a pontificating, preachy little chap like dougie will be able to confine himself to Foreign matters.
But you never know.
Didn't see Farage's, but I'd consider Clegg's to be better than Miliband's (no great achievement, it must be said) and worse than Cameron's. Quite holier-than-thou, now I come to think of it.
So no mention of immigration or the EU,that's really going to bring UKIP voters back to Labour in droves.
"I'm coming round to the Sean Fear position that a substantial swathe of our political class are actually evil."
Grow up for Christ's sake! You don't only embarrass yourself but the site too. You probably ought to get help.
A dastardly tube-borne attack by nasties somehow smacks of "old style" terror. Trying to surreptitiously deliver a lethal blow to the population.
A Bombay/Brussels Jewish Museum-type nagga-f***ing-nagga stand up full-on armed attack is saying: here are the new rules, bitch.
IMO the latter is the more "terrifying" option.
Socrates - I rarely laugh out loud at posts, but I did at that.
Audrey - No offence meant, I promise, but you have to admit that was touchee. (Btw, is Plato OK, or are you gunning for her? )
(edited - team casio keeping it real.)
Nothing at all to address working class fears about being undercut by cheaper labour from overseas.
minor worry in so far as they may affect me personally.
Ebola outbreak is a completely different kettle of fish.
Well, Little Audrey was known for her laughing!
'I'd go with amoral, rather than evil."
I don't know or care but if Socrates can't curb his repulsive and obvious prurience for more than a few minutes then he'll probably clear the site which is a shame because there are some interesting contributions not least Henry's.
If this is as widespread as reported, there must be hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, who have a relative/friend/neighbour/acquaintance caught up in it somehow.
It must have touched the lives of very many...???
Incidentally via Laura K at Beeb - the speakers spokesperson has resigned - seems she was less than impartial.
DId NPXMP ever come back and say why he was in favour of mass immigration?
Perhaps some of the other fellow travellers can answer Socrates´s question above.
Bercow's a sanctimonious little empire-builder. To hear him suffer a setback is good news.
It would be really interesting to wonder what the House of Lords would now look like if Clegg had got his way. Given his plan was for a proportional system I assume wed have had an army of Ukip lords being ennobled. Maybe some greens too.
PtP. I'll leave Socrates to hang himself on here, which he is doing without any assistance from me. As I said, no-one mentioned banning topics, simply about what seemed a bit of decency on the day of the LibDem leader's speech 'tis all.
"The sexual abuse and exploitation of children is the modern day equivalent of the Transatlantic slave trade."
Go find yourself a psychiatrist.
Mr. Booth, it's his own fault the reform didn't happen. He refused time to debate it and threw his toys out of the pram. Perhaps if his plan hadn't been so bloody daft (one off 15 year terms magically combine the worst aspects of systems of appointment and election) they might not have been so derided.
I believe you are doing Roger an injustice by taking what he says seriously. He is clearly playing Devil's Advocate for his own enjoyment.
Anyone who isn't disgusted by the Rotherham episode is clearly not normal.
But does it tar all people from the same culture/religion/demographic? Of course not. It is absurd to say it does and the more you bang on about it the worse you look, I'm afraid. You are not the lone brave voice speaking out against injustice on behalf of the powerless, it is more sinister than that.
If you look for patterns hard enough in the river currents you will find all kinds of monsters.
Why even the leader of these people, the Pope himself, has acknowledged the problem which still doesn't mean that every Catholic is a child abuser.
I mean you were talking about Catholics, weren't you?
I must admit when Nick was posting as an MP the mass immigration wasn't as big an issue on my radar. But that can make logical sense since there has been more of an inflow since then and Ukip's vote share has gone up.
It's a national disgrace, and we have yet to uncover the true scale of it. There should be more media attention following up the Rotherham revelations.
I noted your chastising of me earlier for challenging Moniker to back up his oft advanced forecasts with cash. Had you read the amount of trolling drivel from him over the years, no doubt you would so similarly. And this is a betting site.
Instead we have the usual Big government kindergarten politics of making a huge error of judgement that wrecks the lives of the most vulnerable in the country, then flailing around for years after trying to put a plaster on a broken leg and wondering why it doesn't work
Kevin Maguire's plan is the usual Labour over beauracratic con job. If they had any decency they'd offer an EU referendum too... too little too late but at least a step in the right direction
1) Built our infrastructure.
2) Given us vastly better cuisine.
3) Given us vastly better music.
4) Made us an outward-looking confident nation.
It has also met our demands for labour when we have needed them and provided us with untold numbers of hardworking highly motivated workers, many of whom have fulfilled their roles far more effectively than the available native employees would have done.
Aye Aye I got back in!
It is UKIP who are sweeping up those votes as well all down the eastern coastal region (where they previously mainly benefitted Labour)
Kevin Maguire has written.....
The same sort of left-wing empty buzz phrase driven gobbledegook that will drive these voters into UKIP's arms. 'Pledge cards" are just another accessory of the insincere New Labour years
with UKIP expert Rob Ford
Expert? When they categorise Boston & Skegness, which polled over 50% for UKIP at the Euros, has UKIP 20 points ahead in a poll a few weeks back, delivered all UKIP County Councillors in 2013 and where the incumbent Tory MP is standing down, as being of the most minor risk when arguably it should be categorised alongside Thanet South (which Ford and Goodwin originally categorised only the 142nd most likely seat), then he's hardly an expert. Frankly their assessments seem all over the place and I suspect that their model is wrong.
The reality is Ford and Goodwin wrote the first and only book on the subject. That just puts them in the right place at the right time. It doesn't make them experts in anything and I imagine after the next election they will disown their own work and write a new tome that is far better informed.
You'll have to explain that one to me.
2) Given us vastly better cuisine.
3) Given us vastly better music.
4) Made us an outward-looking confident nation."
1) Have they? Are you referring to Irish navvies making canals?
2) Bah. I prefer fish and chips. Also, letting in a quarter of a million people every year because you like curry is not the most rational argument in the world.
3) ?
4) Bollocks. We're now in the interminable midst of constitutional haggling as our sovereignty is eroded by the EU. Confident? There's a de facto censorship law against pictures of Mohammed.
Of course, this would have to be balanced out by the negatives:
pressure on schools, housing, health
pressure on wages
ghettoisation
increased risk of terrorism and crime, etc
With all the pros and cons an informed decision could be made. Much more honest than hiding behind the r-word which has been the policy (mainly but not exclusively of the Lbaour party).
The question you need to be asking is what has mass immigration ever done for you?
As a wealthy professional, I'm sure the answer is plenty. You listen to the music, love the food, hire the cheap hard working labour and bask, all the while, in your own self-righteousness at being an open minded non-racist person.
For many blue collar people the situation, I suspect, is far more complex.
"Only Tories are evil eh Rog??"
Some of my best friends are Tories....(Joke)
I'm thinking of setting up a paedo website for Socrates. I'm looking for a suitable picture of a panting dog with his tongue hanging out. I thought I'd try Gray Jolliffe
1) Built our infrastructure.
2) Given us vastly better cuisine.
3) Given us vastly better music.
4) Made us an outward-looking confident nation.
5. Made us better looking........
Didn't realise it would be so long ^^;
A totally wasted opportunity to connect with a large chuck of the Kipper defectors... before they defected. Now, even if EdM tried to adopt them, it'd be much harder to convince them to return. A very silly chappy.
Morris, I'm shocked.
You haven't joined UKIP by any chance?
Ebola doesn't seem much of a stretch for the determined. It's got a 21 day incubation period IIRC - plenty of time to get infected and come back/wait for symptoms to show and spend the day sneezing/touching everything you can.
An awful prospect, but certainly not unimaginable.
There's an obvious question here, which I won't ask for the sake of Mike's legal concerns, but your views when you were defending Roman Polanski were telling. Why don't you tell us whether you think relations with underage teenagers is wrong or not?