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  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Just found this...

    23 May 2012

    Single

    Nick Clegg @ 8/1 (Next Party Leader To Leave Their Post)

    Event: UK Politics
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    At the risk of offering a hostage to fortune.

    I don't think Clegg announces his resignation today.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    isam said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Clegg is excellent and I'm sure he will perform well today. I predict that in the GE the LibDem's will do far better than currently forecast and Labour will experience a catastrophe with around 25 % of the vote.

    I agree that the Lib Dems have important and useful things to say. I don't agree that anyone is listening. They are going to lose a lot of seats. My guess at the moment would be close to half, more in Scotland.
    You underestimate the tenacity of the LibDems, they'll lose very few if any seats.
    You fancy a bet on that? I think they will lose 20+ seats. Are you willing to bet £50 that it is less? (I am happy to accept the net position so they get the credit of any gains.)

    It is a bit of an odd one because it is a bet I would quite like to lose!
    You're far more astute and much better informed than I am, so I decline your challenge.

    Ha Ha Ha , loser.
    So says a 45er......
    You still making things up

    If you had posted that to Financier he would be litigating by now.
    So you're not one of the 37% who voted "Yes" (I was being charitable using the term they have given themselves...)?
    37% voted Yes 47% voted No. No matter how you slice it no side got a majority.
    63% didn't vote for change.

    When will Yes learn to take No for an answer?
    Yes massively out performed most people's predictions
    Not Salmond's private pollsters - or most of the Nat posters on here - I'm sure TSE can remind us of the link to the results of the PB competition........
    I wouldn't get too cocky, most of the Nats wre a lot more on the insrtuctibe on the way the wind was blowing on here than the Nay sayers who were predicting a YES score in the 30s
    There are myths and there is data. I think you'll find it was the 'No' posters who got closest - by a country mile - while the 'Yes' posters significantly over stated Yes support. But its easy to check......
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    If Clegg goes then will the Lib Dems lurch left?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Two 5-6 odds on a coin toss where the coin is already flipped but only a few can see the toss.
  • Mr. Eagles, never even heard of that.

    Clegg resigning would be weird. Might work.

    Literae Humaniores is the Classics degree at Oxford. You'd have loved it.

    Is the degree Boris.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Also found some 4/1 on Ed Miliband from even further back. So if one or the other could oblige (bets are losers if they get to the election), I'd be grateful.
  • Mike on holiday. Check.

    Mike betting on Clegg quitting. Check.

    Feck. It is happening.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Oh dear, this looks ominous for my bet:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 2 mins2 minutes ago
    Suddenly the money is going on an early departure for Clegg. PaddyPower cut price on him going before GE from 13/2 to 2/1

    Don't worry.

    He told me this morning that last night he dreamt about Clegg announcing his resignation as Lib Dem leader during his speech.
    You can get 5/6 on that with Paddy Power too.
    That's very interesting. Someone obviously knows something.
    Maybe mindless people are just assuming that Mr Hodges knows something.
    I dunno. From over 6/1 to 2/1 seems like quite a big drop to me.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Oh dear, this looks ominous for my bet:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 2 mins2 minutes ago
    Suddenly the money is going on an early departure for Clegg. PaddyPower cut price on him going before GE from 13/2 to 2/1

    Don't worry.

    He told me this morning that last night he dreamt about Clegg announcing his resignation as Lib Dem leader during his speech.
    You can get 5/6 on that with Paddy Power too.
    That's very interesting. Someone obviously knows something.
    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1928676
    Cheers. Still not sure whether to take that or not.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    I would just say that Lib Dems do have form on strange betting practices. Remember the odds on Chris Huhne winning the party leadership?
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782

    Just found this...

    23 May 2012

    Single

    Nick Clegg @ 8/1 (Next Party Leader To Leave Their Post)

    Event: UK Politics

    Hasn't Salmond already made that bet a loser?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    antifrank said:
    Got £30 on at 5-1 before the market was suspended...

    Pondering whether to take 1-3 at Paddy for him to stay as leader into next GE.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Clegg is excellent and I'm sure he will perform well today. I predict that in the GE the LibDem's will do far better than currently forecast and Labour will experience a catastrophe with around 25 % of the vote.

    You fancy a bet on that? I think they will lose 20+ seats. Are you willing to bet £50 that it is less? (I am happy to accept the net position so they get the credit of any gains.)

    It is a bit of an odd one because it is a bet I would quite like to lose!
    You're far more astute and much better informed than I am, so I decline your challenge.

    Ha Ha Ha , loser.
    So says a 45er......
    You still making things up

    If you had posted that to Financier he would be litigating by now.
    So you're not one of the 37% who voted "Yes" (I was being charitable using the term they have given themselves...)?
    37% voted Yes 47% voted No. No matter how you slice it no side got a majority.
    63% didn't vote for change.

    When will Yes learn to take No for an answer?
    Yes massively out performed most people's predictions
    Not Salmond's private pollsters - or most of the Nat posters on here - I'm sure TSE can remind us of the link to the results of the PB competition........
    I wouldn't get too cocky, most of the Nats wre a lot more on the insrtuctibe on the way the wind was blowing on here than the Nay sayers who were predicting a YES score in the 30s
    There are myths and there is data. I think you'll find it was the 'No' posters who got closest - by a country mile - while the 'Yes' posters significantly over stated Yes support. But its easy to check......
    I am not talking about the PB tipping contest a week before the event, but the year leading up to it where most well thought of Nay sayers were predicting a score in the mid 30s, and mocking those who suggested it might be a lot closer

    I was neither a YESSER or a NOER but an impartial observer, so don't be thinking I am trying to make a partisan point. I also didn't make a prediction, so am not trying to back that up

    But the YES posters were more accurate in their assessment of how close it would be
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Even the BBC are at it:

    Does Labour have an 'Ed Miliband problem'?
    Speak to Labour activists in private, and it is rarely long before some will refer in one way or another to what one described to me as "the Ed Miliband problem".

    His critics within the party articulate the concerns expressed by some voters in opinion polls and focus groups: that he doesn't appear sufficiently 'prime ministerial', and he hasn't set out a clear enough vision.

    In short, they wonder if he's up to it.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29533079
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Eagles, well, still plenty of time. Unless I get evicted from my semi-detached cardboard box and, like so many fantastic fellows, end up unappreciated and impoverished in my own lifetime.

    *plays small violin*

    Incidentally, I calculated the other day (when I should've been working, much as I should now) that next year I could have [theoretically] 20 different stories published (17 short, 2 mid-sized and 1 novel).

    This Clegg situation could be very peculiar. Maybe he'll announce he'll resign after the election?
  • I'm on Danny Alexander and Tim Farron to be the Lib Dem leader at the GE
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014
    Ho hum !
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Well, if Nick Clegg does announce he's standing down today, I'm taking a bath.

    What would be most annoying is that I have a bet with a Scots Nat that he'd outlast Alex Salmond. If that doesn't happen, I'll feel seriously pissed off.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2014
    Edited for the greater good of Pulpstar's betting
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Incidentally, do we have a date for the Rochester by-election?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    If Clegg goes then will the Lib Dems lurch left?

    Not really, remember how much power conference delegates have in voting on party policy. Very much limits any lurch.

    Plus depends who replaces him.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Clegg is excellent and I'm sure he will perform well today. I predict that in the GE the LibDem's will do far better than currently forecast and Labour will experience a catastrophe with around 25 % of the vote.

    .

    Ha Ha Ha , loser.
    So says a 45er......
    You still making things up

    If you had posted that to Financier he would be litigating by now.
    So you're not one of the 37% who voted "Yes" (I was being charitable using the term they have given themselves...)?
    37% voted Yes 47% voted No. No matter how you slice it no side got a majority.
    63% didn't vote for change.

    When will Yes learn to take No for an answer?
    Yes massively out performed most people's predictions
    Not Salmond's private pollsters - or most of the Nat posters on here - I'm sure TSE can remind us of the link to the results of the PB competition........
    I wouldn't get too cocky, most of the Nats wre a lot more on the insrtuctibe on the way the wind was blowing on here than the Nay sayers who were predicting a YES score in the 30s
    There are myths and there is data. I think you'll find it was the 'No' posters who got closest - by a country mile - while the 'Yes' posters significantly over stated Yes support. But its easy to check......
    I am not talking about the PB tipping contest a week before the event, but the year leading up to it where most well thought of Nay sayers were predicting a score in the mid 30s, and mocking those who suggested it might be a lot closer

    I was neither a YESSER or a NOER but an impartial observer, so don't be thinking I am trying to make a partisan point. I also didn't make a prediction, so am not trying to back that up

    But the YES posters were more accurate in their assessment of how close it would be
    I don't think many people would regard a margin of 10.6% as close.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    edited October 2014
    It's the wording I'm worried about. What if he announces today he will stand down shortly *after* the election, and then they'll be a leadership election in the new parliament.

    Unlikely, I know, but I want to know exactly what I'm betting on. Announcing his resignation as Lib Dem leader and/or Deputy PM and actually doing it before the election are two different things.
  • antifrank said:

    Well, if Nick Clegg does announce he's standing down today, I'm taking a bath.

    What would be most annoying is that I have a bet with a Scots Nat that he'd outlast Alex Salmond. If that doesn't happen, I'll feel seriously pissed off.

    If he stands down today, he'd still be leader until they elected a new one. And the last Lib Dem leadership contest lasted two months from start to finish. So Salmond will be gone by then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014



    Stuff

    *Cough*
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Lennon said:

    Just found this...

    23 May 2012

    Single

    Nick Clegg @ 8/1 (Next Party Leader To Leave Their Post)

    Event: UK Politics

    Hasn't Salmond already made that bet a loser?
    No, was only the big 3 parties quoted
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014

    Lennon said:

    Just found this...

    23 May 2012

    Single

    Nick Clegg @ 8/1 (Next Party Leader To Leave Their Post)

    Event: UK Politics

    Hasn't Salmond already made that bet a loser?
    No, was only the big 3 parties quoted
    Edited post !

    Any chance you could edit yours - you're right :O)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Corporeal, if it is seen as a leftward shift, it might significantly help the Lib Dems, and harm Labour.

    And if he does resign, I wonder if Cameron knows, and whether he (Cameron) might want an early election instead of a DPM who isn't Lib Dem leader.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782

    Incidentally, do we have a date for the Rochester by-election?

    Not yet. I believe that the Tories were planning on waiting until Parliament was sitting again until they moved the writ. Obviously once Carswell is in then he could theoretically move the writ before they do.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited October 2014

    dr_spyn said:

    I wonder what this will do to The Green and LD votes?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29536793

    Didn't Greenpeace or Friends of the Earth endorse nuclear?

    ---------------------------

    From November 2013:

    "...The polling and the speeches mean that it is already almost possible to sketch a picture of Mr Clegg’s dream voter. They are middle class (and able to afford green taxes), and rather metropolitan in their outlook. All Lib Dem MPs and strategists agree that these voters are the sort who fret about whether they are doing the recycling properly."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg/10433018/Nick-Clegg-is-playing-to-hismost-loyal-voters-the-green-middle-class.html

    You can see why the LDs get so antsy about the Green Party.

    Friends of The Earth may still be anti.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/10/friends-of-the-earth-nuclear-power-bbc-report

    Yet they still look both ways two days later.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2014/sep/12/friends-of-the-earths-shift-on-nuclear-should-be-celebrated-not-denied

    Bunch of Janus faced...
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Damn. Shadsy suspended the market seconds before I tried to place £20 on it!

    Hesitation is fatal.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I'm on Danny Alexander and Tim Farron to be the Lib Dem leader at the GE

    I think a Tim Farron led LD party regains votes from LAB.
    A Danny Alexander one does not
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Edited for the greater good of Pulpstar's betting

    ^_~
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    corporeal said:

    If Clegg goes then will the Lib Dems lurch left?

    Not really, remember how much power conference delegates have in voting on party policy. Very much limits any lurch.

    Plus depends who replaces him.
    He's also lost a lot of the left-leaning members anyway. Cable and Farron might be a bit more palatable to the electorate but I can't really see where they go from here. They've boxed themselves into a corner.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Cheers, Mr. Lennon.

    Will the Pirate Party be contesting any seats in the General Election?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    JohnO said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Clegg is excellent and I'm sure he will perform well today. I predict that in the GE the LibDem's will do far better than currently forecast and Labour will experience a catastrophe with around 25 % of the vote.

    .

    Ha Ha Ha , loser.
    So says a 45er......
    You still making things up

    If you had posted that to Financier he would be litigating by now.
    So you're not one of the 37% who voted "Yes" (I was being charitable using the term they have given themselves...)?
    37% voted Yes 47% voted No. No matter how you slice it no side got a majority.
    63% didn't vote for change.

    When will Yes learn to take No for an answer?
    Yes massively out performed most people's predictions
    Not Salmond's private pollsters - or most of the Nat posters on here - I'm sure TSE can remind us of the link to the results of the PB competition........
    I wouldn't get too cocky, most of the Nats wre a lot more on the insrtuctibe on the way the wind was blowing on here than the Nay sayers who were predicting a YES score in the 30s
    There are myths and there is data. I think you'll find it was the 'No' posters who got closest - by a country mile - while the 'Yes' posters significantly over stated Yes support. But its easy to check......
    I am not talking about the PB tipping contest a week before the event, but the year leading up to it where most well thought of Nay sayers were predicting a score in the mid 30s, and mocking those who suggested it might be a lot closer

    I was neither a YESSER or a NOER but an impartial observer, so don't be thinking I am trying to make a partisan point. I also didn't make a prediction, so am not trying to back that up

    But the YES posters were more accurate in their assessment of how close it would be
    I don't think many people would regard a margin of 10.6% as close.
    Stop trolling I never said it was close

    Why be so partisan and smug, especially when you are wrong?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    The market states "a public announcement of his intention to step down as Liberal Democrat leader". This is very vague. Would saying e.g. "I won't be your leader in 2020" count? Given the rumours swirling, and the electoral logic of Clegg's going before the election, I'm not sure that 5/6 isn't about right all in.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Into 4-6, taken the max on that.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Perhaps several lib demmers on the inside have asked for a market? That's a pretty big clue.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.

    I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    If Clegg goes then will the Lib Dems lurch left?

    Not really, remember how much power conference delegates have in voting on party policy. Very much limits any lurch.

    Plus depends who replaces him.
    He's also lost a lot of the left-leaning members anyway. Cable and Farron might be a bit more palatable to the electorate but I can't really see where they go from here. They've boxed themselves into a corner.
    Simply put forward.

    As at previous conferences there's a resilient conference mood. And many older members reminding younger ones that they've been through worse.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    Mr. Corporeal, if it is seen as a leftward shift, it might significantly help the Lib Dems, and harm Labour.

    And if he does resign, I wonder if Cameron knows, and whether he (Cameron) might want an early election instead of a DPM who isn't Lib Dem leader.

    Fixed term parliaments will make an early election impossible. Can't see why Clegg would agree to it. In fact Labour might need to agree as well.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Booth, no. More difficult, but not impossible.

    And yes, both Lib Dems and Labour could stop it. And look frit in doing so.
  • Financier said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT in relation to Damian McBride's comment about every leader needing fat men about him at some point:

    I was nearly right:

    "Let me have men about me that are fat;
    Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:
    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
    He thinks too much: such men are dangerous."

    Ed does indeed have a problem with his lack of natural supporters in the party and his failure to build a team. One or two dodgy opinion polls and half the shadow cabinet seem to be on manoeuvres.

    Nick, on the other hand, seems to have done well in keeping a team together under the most incredible pressure. The sangfroid of the Lib Dems under fire in this government has been remarkable. Every now and then Vince has to let out his inner socialist but other than that they have been incredibly disciplined. Not sure if it has done them any good but it is still impressive.

    Vince Cable never had an inner socialist. Back in the 1970s, not only were we in the same Party: I was his Branch Secretary. Trust me. I know whereof I speak.
    I was referring to comments like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/vince-cable-slams-clegg-and-tory-leadership-says-bigger-tax-increases-needed-to-pay-down-deficit_n_5948626.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK
    I think it is not helpful to "value public spending" as an entity when we see so much waste and inefficiency every day from the public sector. For example it has been acknowledged on PB that the NHS is overmanaged but may be short of finance for operations, special drugs and care. So if a case is made for specific public sector spending then it can be supported, but there is often too much of let's cut the services whilst protecting our salaries, benefits and pensions.
    If the lower paid front line workers in the public sector had any brains then they wouldn't have been out protesting at the cuts, but rather at the greedy middle management hoovering up all the money and cutting the useful jobs and services rather than their own when the money runs out.

    But of course the admission that not all public sector spending is 100% worthy is never aired in public for some unfathomable reason.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    antifrank said:

    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.

    I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
    At least Bercow will still be in post :-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Ah how nice it is to have a thread with prices, opinions and a genuine will he, won't he market.

    What this site does best.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    [There is no intrinstic value in public spending vs private spending vs third sector.]

    Private spending pays for the public spending .

    Not in a mixed economy like ours.
    I don't think that's right - the economy has to be somewhat mixed for my formula to work. Third sector screws up all my intensive graph work though.

    Your formula doesn't work if it assumes the government can only spend what it taxes.

    I'd have thought the experience of the last 8 years disproved that vast over simplification in droves?
    I think government debt and deficits pre-date the last 8 years...

    Even more evidence your formula doesn't work.
    You're not advocating perpetual deficits are you? Has Keynes really fallen that much out of favour??

    Deficits can be run by governments in perpetuity. Look at post war history this is basically the case anyway.
    You can run a small deficit in perpetuity, provided that the economy continues to grow. You can't run a perpetual deficit that leads to debt levels increasing as a share of GDP. There's a big difference between a deficit of 2% of GDP and one of 6% of GDP.

    This is UK government debt as a percentage of GDP. The three big peaks are the Napoleonic Wars, WWI and WWII. We're now seeing the largest increase in our national debt outside of a world war. It is simply impossible for us to continue in this way indefinitely.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    What time does Clegg give his resignation speech?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    If Clegg goes then will the Lib Dems lurch left?

    Not really, remember how much power conference delegates have in voting on party policy. Very much limits any lurch.

    Plus depends who replaces him.
    He's also lost a lot of the left-leaning members anyway. Cable and Farron might be a bit more palatable to the electorate but I can't really see where they go from here. They've boxed themselves into a corner.
    Simply put forward.

    As at previous conferences there's a resilient conference mood. And many older members reminding younger ones that they've been through worse.
    It strikes me as rather sad that a party that was only 20% behind Labour's vote and had 2 voters for every 3 the Tories got would be so happy to be a minor party, but it's up to them I guess.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    If Clegg does resign, that might lead to a new leader getting a boost in the polls and performing slightly better in GE2015.

    So, I might look at some of the secondary markets at Ladbrokes. The UKIP/Lib Dem vote match share looks interesting.

    E.g. UKIP at 11% and Lib Dem at 12.5% would suddenly look do'able.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    antifrank said:

    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.

    I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
    How much did Paddy let you have on both ?

    £11.72 for me on the "No", and I could have had £141 on the 1-3.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Socrates said:

    Financier said:

    OT

    "It would be hard to argue that Germany is NOT the renewable energy capital of the world in terms of developing a thriving industry that contributed more than 27 percent of renewable energy generation to the grid in the first nine months of 2014."

    Well worth a read.

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2014/10/7-renewable-energy-lessons-from-germany?page=all

    What an incredibly one-sided piece. I guess they're not saying how the nuclear ban means they're increasing coal-fired plants, causing far worse carbon emissions.
    I'm not defending the nuclear ban, but not sure this is true - see:
    http://us.boell.org/sites/default/files/german-coal-conundrum.pdf

    What they (and other people who have looked at this) say is happening is that there was an uptick in coal production from plants opening that had been under construction before Fukushima, and an increase in energy exports.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited October 2014
    Anyone with a reliable crystal ball.

    Just been promised a major contract for 2015, but client wants our GB£ quote in Euros. Invoicing will be spread over the whole year. Any view on what will happen if EdM or DC wins in May?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    Mr. Booth, no. More difficult, but not impossible.

    And yes, both Lib Dems and Labour could stop it. And look frit in doing so.

    Why would there be public clamour for an election? Blair continued for nearly a year after pre-announcing his resignation.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    @anotherDave

    Greenpeace seem to be keen to block nuclear power if this is anything to go by.

    http://www.itv.com/news/west/update/2014-10-08/greenpeace-claim-hinkley-power-station-will-go-ahead/
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,779
    Sorry, I seem to have walked in on something? Is Clegg resigning?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    What time does Clegg give his resignation speech?

    3.00 pm



    9th May 2015 ; )
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Booth, because we'd have a coalition government where the deputy PM wasn't even leader of a minor party. It'd be very odd (if that happens, it's possible the new leader would either just become DPM or a formal separation would occur).

    Mr. Financier, consider also that some think the eurozone crisis will rear its ugly head again.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Slackbladder, possibly as Lib Dem leader, perhaps not as deputy PM. The odds have tumbled to below evens.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    What time does Clegg give his resignation speech?

    His speech today is at 1pm.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    Mr. Booth, because we'd have a coalition government where the deputy PM wasn't even leader of a minor party. It'd be very odd (if that happens, it's possible the new leader would either just become DPM or a formal separation would occur).

    Mr. Financier, consider also that some think the eurozone crisis will rear its ugly head again.

    He wouldn't need to resign immediately. I guess they'd have a new leader ready for the GE campaign. The leadership election might take a few months.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.

    I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
    How much did Paddy let you have on both ?

    £11.72 for me on the "No", and I could have had £141 on the 1-3.
    About the same on No and about £70 on the 1/3.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Incidentally, do we have a date for the Rochester by-election?

    Breitbart say 6th November.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/05/Reckless-Ahead-In-Polls
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Financier said:

    Anyone with a reliable crystal ball.

    Just been promised a major contract for 2015, but client wants our GB£ quote in Euros. Invoicing will be spread over the whole year. Any view on what will happen if EdM or DC wins in May?

    Yes. We won't join the Euro. They're probably worried about a hung parliament with no clear workable majority affecting the stability of the government and the value of the pound.

    Or maybe not, and we're overthinking it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    So if Clegg goes within a few months, who do we fancy then? Farron?*

    *i've done no research on this
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Dave, cheers.

    Mr. Booth, that's a fair point. I suppose by then it'd be almost academic as to whether the two parties had formally split or not.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Financier said:

    Anyone with a reliable crystal ball.

    Just been promised a major contract for 2015, but client wants our GB£ quote in Euros. Invoicing will be spread over the whole year. Any view on what will happen if EdM or DC wins in May?

    I'm going to be a twat and try and answer this. I'd just convert your quote at todays exchange rate.

    Glad to be of service.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,779
    If Clegg does resign, then what happens to the coalition? It has to separate surely.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Nick Clegg now at 1/5 to lead the party into the next election and 1/2 not to resign today with Paddy Power.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Slackbladder, that was my initial thought. Mr. Booth did point out that the leadership election could take a few months, though.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    If he did resign, would that relieve or intensify the pressure on Miliband?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2014
    Financier said:

    Anyone with a reliable crystal ball.

    Just been promised a major contract for 2015, but client wants our GB£ quote in Euros. Invoicing will be spread over the whole year. Any view on what will happen if EdM or DC wins in May?

    There's no such thing as a reliable crystal ball for exchange rates, but here goes:

    1) The political risk of 2015 in the UK is substantial. An Ed M win would obviously be bad for sterling. A weak government in a hung-parliament would be bad for sterling. A Tory win might also not be great temporarily because of uncertainty over the referendum outcome (although this probably won't be a big effect in 2015, so for your purposes this may not matter).

    2) In theory this is already factored in to forward rates, but my assessment is that the markets haven't woken up to the political risk yet.

    3) However - this is a zero-sum game, and your alternative currency is Euros. Big uncertainty there too.

    4) On balance, I think I'd prefer Euros for 2015, but:

    5) I am probably wrong!


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Bookies market looking better for Clegg last few minutes with Paddy:
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Having reflected, I've doubled down, both by betting No on this bet and on betting at 1/3 that Nick Clegg will remain to the next election.

    I have a nasty feeling I'm going to look very silly very shortly.
    How much did Paddy let you have on both ?

    £11.72 for me on the "No", and I could have had £141 on the 1-3.
    About the same on No and about £70 on the 1/3.

    Mr. Slackbladder, possibly as Lib Dem leader, perhaps not as deputy PM. The odds have tumbled to below evens.

    WILL NICK CLEGG ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION TODAY?

    No @ 1-2
    Yes @ 6-4

    WILL NICK CLEGG LEAD LIB DEMS INTO NEXT GENERAL ELECTION?

    Singles Only. Applies to the party's leader on the date of the next general election.
    Yes 1/5
    No 3/1

    @Antifrank out the woods ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    Financier said:

    Anyone with a reliable crystal ball.

    Just been promised a major contract for 2015, but client wants our GB£ quote in Euros. Invoicing will be spread over the whole year. Any view on what will happen if EdM or DC wins in May?

    There's no such thing as a reliable crystall ball for exchange rates, but here goes:

    1) The political risk of 2015 in the UK is substantial. An Ed M win would obviously be bad for sterling. A weak hung-parliament would be bad for sterling. A Tory win might also not be great temporarily because of uncertainty over the referendum outcome (although this probably won't be a big effect in 2015, so for your purposes this may not matter).

    2) In theory this is already factored in to forward rates, but my assessment is that the markets haven't woken up to the political risk yet.

    3) However - this is a zero-sum game, and your alternative currency is Euros. Big uncertainty there too.

    4) On balance, I think I'd prefer Euros for 2015, but:

    5) I am probably wrong!


    A better answer. If you were really worried about currency stability, why wouldn't you pick dollars rather than euros?

    The UK leaving the EU (or uncertainty thereof) could lead to questions around the future stability of the EU as well, and by extension the euro.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Clegg is excellent and I'm sure he will perform well today. I predict that in the GE the LibDem's will do far better than currently forecast and Labour will experience a catastrophe with around 25 % of the vote.

    I agree that the Lib Dems have important and useful things to say. I don't agree that anyone is listening. They are going to lose a lot of seats. My guess at the moment would be close to half, more in Scotland.
    You underestimate the tenacity of the LibDems, they'll lose very few if any seats.
    You fancy a bet on that? I think they will lose 20+ seats. Are you willing to bet £50 that it is less? (I am happy to accept the net position so they get the credit of any gains.)

    It is a bit of an odd one because it is a bet I would quite like to lose!
    You're far more astute and much better informed than I am, so I decline your challenge.

    Ha Ha Ha , loser.
    So says a 45er......
    You still making things up

    If you had posted that to Financier he would be litigating by now.
    So you're not one of the 37% who voted "Yes" (I was being charitable using the term they have given themselves...)?
    I most certainly was among the 45% of voters who voted YES for Scotland to be an independent country.
    Was that fairly typical or are you sometimes right about the odd thing?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2014

    A better answer. If you were really worried about currency stability, why wouldn't you pick dollars rather than euros?

    The UK leaving the EU (or uncertainty thereof) could lead to questions around the future stability of the EU as well, and by extension the euro.

    I would choose dollars, given the choice. In fact I've tilted my pension portfolio towards dollar-denominated investments.

    However, for a commercial transaction between a UK supplier and Eurozone customer, the customer is not likely to want the exchange-rate risk and you'd also pay two sets of currency conversion costs, so it's not a realistic option.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    isam said:

    JohnO said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Clegg is excellent and I'm sure he will perform well today. I predict that in the GE the LibDem's will do far better than currently forecast and Labour will experience a catastrophe with around 25 % of the vote.

    .

    Ha Ha Ha , loser.
    So says a 45er......
    You still making things up

    If you had posted that to Financier he would be litigating by now.
    So you're not one of the 37% who voted "Yes" (I was being charitable using the term they have given themselves...)?
    37% voted Yes 47% voted No. No matter how you slice it no side got a majority.
    63% didn't vote for change.

    When will Yes learn to take No for an answer?
    Yes massively out performed most people's predictions
    N

    I am not talking about the PB tipping contest a week before the event, but the year leading up to it where most well thought of Nay sayers were predicting a score in the mid 30s, and mocking those who suggested it might be a lot closer

    I was neither a YESSER or a NOER but an impartial observer, so don't be thinking I am trying to make a partisan point. I also didn't make a prediction, so am not trying to back that up

    But the YES posters were more accurate in their assessment of how close it would be
    I don't think many people would regard a margin of 10.6% as close.
    Stop trolling I never said it was close

    Why be so partisan and smug, especially when you are wrong?
    You are such a poor sensitive soul. Your post made a reference to made reference "But the YES posters were more accurate in their assessment of how close it would be". I responded by saying it wasn't close at all. So why do you take it personally?

    Oh, and as it happens, I have been consistent in predicting a comfortable no vote (winning two modest bets here as a result), so I readily confess to a degree of smugness.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    @isam

    You are such a poor sensitive soul. Your post made a reference to made reference "But the YES posters were more accurate in their assessment of how close it would be". I simply responded by saying it wasn't close at all. So why do you take it so personally?

    Oh, and as it happens, I have been consistent in predicting a comfortable no vote (winning two modest bets here as a result), so I readily confess to a degree of smugness.
  • BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    [There is no intrinstic value in public spending vs private spending vs third sector.]

    Private spending pays for the public spending .

    Not in a mixed economy like ours.
    I don't think that's right - the economy has to be somewhat mixed for my formula to work. Third sector screws up all my intensive graph work though.

    Your formula doesn't work if it assumes the government can only spend what it taxes.

    I'd have thought the experience of the last 8 years disproved that vast over simplification in droves?
    I think government debt and deficits pre-date the last 8 years...

    Even more evidence your formula doesn't work.
    You're not advocating perpetual deficits are you? Has Keynes really fallen that much out of favour??

    Deficits can be run by governments in perpetuity. Look at post war history this is basically the case anyway.
    They can keep running deficits until they can no longer afford the interest payments followed by complete collapse.

    See Greece.
  • Fenman said:

    Clegg's big surprise?

    'Well, I'm still here...'

    ”I will lead this party through the general election and beyond. Go back to your constituencies and prepare to lose your deposits".

    David Steel's much quoted speech '... prepare for Government.' did come to pass eventually.
    Only in the sense that a stopped clock is occasionally right surely. Or one of those internet house price crash trolls who've been predicting a house price crash since 1996.

    MIss Plato, ha, I wouldn't go that far.

    I only did a year of it at school (sadly I had to choose between only one of German, Latin and Classical Civilisation). Someone online a few years ago mentioned Theodore Ayrault Dodge's Hannibal bio/history. I bought that, and just branched out from there.

    It's fascinating stuff and helps to show the real differences between barbarity and civility, how human society can and should develop. And massive battles involving elephants are cool.

    If you are interested at all in what makes people fight, not fight, faff about, find ways to overcome humans' natural aversion to killing, i.e. switch from barbarity to civility and back, you would find Leo Murray's 'Bullets and Brains' a very good read. It is an analysis of the psychology of soldiering by someone who has done a lot of both. The combat anecdotes are so un-gung-ho they have had me sniggering on the Tube. The German MG42 crew who gave their gun a name - "Shouty" - treated it as a person and addressed each other in cod French accents was priceless.

    Pong said:

    Paddy Power is being silly. They don't know anything that we don't know.

    5/6 on Clegg not announcing his resignation today is great value.

    Perhaps several lib demmers on the inside have asked for a market? That's a pretty big clue.
    You have to love the way people who would presumably rail against insider dealing in financial markets are quite happy to steal money themselves from a bookie on the basis of MNPI.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    ***NEW THREAD***
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'd say add to it. If the media thought they'd forced or pushed one scalp, they'd press for another. And there are plenty of willing vox pops in the wings dying to kill off EdM on the Labour side alone.

    Not behaviour I'd approve of, but it does tend go that way.

    If he did resign, would that relieve or intensify the pressure on Miliband?

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    BenM said:

    JBriskin said:

    [There is no intrinstic value in public spending vs private spending vs third sector.]

    Private spending pays for the public spending .

    Not in a mixed economy like ours.
    I don't think that's right - the economy has to be somewhat mixed for my formula to work. Third sector screws up all my intensive graph work though.

    Your formula doesn't work if it assumes the government can only spend what it taxes.

    I'd have thought the experience of the last 8 years disproved that vast over simplification in droves?
    I think government debt and deficits pre-date the last 8 years...

    Even more evidence your formula doesn't work.
    You're not advocating perpetual deficits are you? Has Keynes really fallen that much out of favour??

    Deficits can be run by governments in perpetuity. Look at post war history this is basically the case anyway.
    LOL - Labour spending policy in a nutshell
  • Another great forecast by Dan "The Anti Tipster" Hodges
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