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  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    Didn't we have a YouGov yesterday????

    They're daily
    All very confusing - I thought the Nabavi thread was a rouse for instance - I canna keep up.

  • RobD said:

    Apologies. Some idiot* whilst preparing the next thread, suffered from premature posting, and accidentally published the next thread. For the avoidance of doubt, I've not seen tonight's YouGov

    *Me

    Premature posting *ahem*.. happens to the best of us.
    There's no such thing as premature posting. Only perfect timing, it's not my fault people can't keep up with my pace.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    RobD said:

    Apologies. Some idiot* whilst preparing the next thread, suffered from premature posting, and accidentally published the next thread. For the avoidance of doubt, I've not seen tonight's YouGov

    *Me

    Premature posting *ahem*.. happens to the best of us.
    There's no such thing as premature posting. Only perfect timing, it's not my fault people can't keep up with my pace.
    Do you post precisely when you mean to?

    *titters*
  • I couldn't access pb earlier so I don't know if Dan Hodges' latest column has been discussed. I have to that as much as I often disagree with Dan, his argument was very compelling. Is Clegg about to resign?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100288910/nick-clegg-is-relaxed-hes-happy-hes-wearing-jeans-because-hes-about-to-quit/

    Being flippant, I wondered if he was auditioning for his next career in modelling with all his changes of clothes each day? Or is he being sponsored by Top Shop?

    Seriously I wonder if he is going to make a promise to the electors to stand down?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    edited October 2014

    I couldn't access pb earlier so I don't know if Dan Hodges' latest column has been discussed. I have to that as much as I often disagree with Dan, his argument was very compelling. Is Clegg about to resign?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100288910/nick-clegg-is-relaxed-hes-happy-hes-wearing-jeans-because-hes-about-to-quit/

    Being flippant, I wondered if he was auditioning for his next career in modelling with all his changes of clothes each day? Or is he being sponsored by Top Shop?

    Seriously I wonder if he is going to make a promise to the electors to stand down?
    Not sure that Vote Clegg, Get Farron is a vote winner for the Yellows...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014

    At what point are people going to be less bothered whether someone is or isn't racist and start being more bothered about the effects of mass immigration from the third world?

    I'd suggest it's happening already.

    A sudden change in the nature of an area you call home is upsetting to most people, regardless of who it is and where they are from

    Here is an example... a black woman upset that the gentrification of her area has brought in lots of richer white people, who speak the same language and are from the same country as her, but aren't like her apparently

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hackney-heroine-london-belongs-to-all-of-us-not-just-those-who-can-pay-5-for-a-cappuccino-9651858.html
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    @David Herdson - so picking up on TSE's point (who kindly pointed out that income tests already apply) what further steps are open to us?

    There are some interesting proposals here, but less so on spousal immigration, and they seem to make some big assumptions about the overall effects on migration figures: http://www.balancedmigration.com/content/uploads/2012/10/ourcase.pdf

    The easiest things to do on spousal immigration is to:

    (a) require evidence of an existing relationship for, say, three years. We currently do this only for unmarried spouses and only for two years. It would get rid of a lot of arranged marriages.

    (b) up the amount required to bring over a spouse to about £26000

    (c) bring back primary purpose rule
  • I've been trying to work out whether there was any value in Paddy Power's offer of 8/1 against there being 2 General Elections during 2015. This is only feasible, let alone likely, if both the major parties win between 280 - 300 seats, probably the range is even narrower than that, say between 285 - 295 seats. Although such an outcome is quite possible, I decided there was better value to be had elsewhere in the market than having to have Labour and the Tories this close AND on one party or the other failing to form a workable coalition lasting more than 7 months.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Brilliant - I'd totally forgotten that one!
    RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Farage still can't pull a tank stunt off properly.

    http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/thatcher-in-a-tank/

    This is how it should be done.

    Not as badass as this:

    http://i.imgur.com/D4XauDc.jpg
    RobD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Farage still can't pull a tank stunt off properly.

    http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/thatcher-in-a-tank/

    This is how it should be done.

    Not as badass as this:

    http://i.imgur.com/D4XauDc.jpg
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    Fenman said:

    Fenman said:



    Fenman said:

    The Liberal Democrats might disappear, but Liberalism has been written off before and remained.

    UKIP? Well someone has to represent racists and homophobes and if the Tories aren't up to it anymore perhaps UKIP is here to stay?

    I wonder which party best represents bigoted fools like you? Certainly none that believe in the basic principles of democracy.
    In what way does this show that I don't believe in democracy? I fully accept that Racists and Homophobes should be represented. My question is who is best at doing it?
    You show that you don't believe in democracy by seeking to portray the legitimate concerns of a significant portion of the population as being 'racist and homophobic.

    Given that all the parties clearly have racists and homophobes in them to try and characterise UKIP as being the main home for those traits is bigoted in the extreme.
    Suggest you get out and talk to people on the doorstep. Actually UKIP supporters always protest that they are not racists. it usually starts with 'I'm not a racist but....'
    Which doesn't actually mean they are racist, it means they anticipate what they are about to say will provoke an accusation of racism. Which in today's society is not the same thing.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    JBriskin said:

    Funky lists Socrates - I take it back. Surprised about India and Pakistan, I'd have thought they were all 2nd gen by now. Apparently the semi-mythical poles ain't so mythical - I'm sure they used to go to the pub a lot more often though - not Farage's fault (That's genuinely no sarcasm - I know it can be very very difficult sometimes)

    I believe Pakistan now tops the list for new entrants. A lot of it is family migration: about half of Pakistani British males get wives from the subcontinent.
    And is one of the main reasons that not only is integration not happening but disparateness and ghettoization is increasing. It would also be easy to stop, if a government had a mind to.
    How would it be easy to stop, David? Do we ban people from marrying foreign nationals?

    I agree it's a problem we need to address. I'm just not sure how. How would you do that without (say) stopping a Englishman marrying an Australian wife?

    Do we make marriage subject to an English language or income test?

    Genuinely interested in suggestions.
    In terms of your Australian question, you could always have a points system for spousal immigration, e.g. you need to prove greater funds if they're less skilled. Primary purpose rule also would be unlikely to affect Australians.
  • I've been trying to work out whether there was any value in Paddy Power's offer of 8/1 against there being 2 General Elections during 2015. This is only feasible, let alone likely, if both the major parties win between 280 - 300 seats, probably the range is even narrower than that, say between 285 - 295 seats. Although such an outcome is quite possible, I decided there was better value to be had elsewhere in the market than having to have Labour and the Tories this close AND on one party or the other failing to form a workable coalition lasting more than 7 months.

    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    @David Herdson - so picking up on TSE's point (who kindly pointed out that income tests already apply) what further steps are open to us?

    There are some interesting proposals here, but less so on spousal immigration, and they seem to make some big assumptions about the overall effects on migration figures: http://www.balancedmigration.com/content/uploads/2012/10/ourcase.pdf

    Firstly, the fact that someone might be married (or about to be) to a UK citizen shouldn't be treated as a reason in its own right. After that, in addition to an income test, apply a fairly rigorous skills-based assessment about, for example, potential employability.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
  • Well gay marriage is like the Nazis. For that piss poor knowledge of history he deserves to be smacked around the chops with a haddock.

    Ukip has been forced to defend the fact that controversial ex-Christian Peoples Alliance leader Alan Craig, who once dubbed gay rights activists the "Gaystapo" in a reference to Nazi Germany's secret police, is joining their party.

    Craig, who has described same-sex marriage as "social vandalism" and tantamount to "child abuse", revealed in a recent blog post that he had been campaigning in Clacton for Tory defector Douglas Carswell in his bid to become Ukip's first elected MP, and had himself applied to join the party.

    The ex-Newham councillor told the Huffington Post UK that he was joining Ukip because he wanted Britain to leave the European Union and to break up the "Lib/Lab/Con cartel and the suffocating grasp of the metropolitan political class". He said he also admired "Ukip's courage in standing against the gay marriage tsunami that [David] Cameron et al. hit us with last year".

    In controversial comments published in the Church of England Newspaper in 2011, Craig compared gay marriage to the "invasion of Poland", warning that it could be a "catalyst for war and a cultural fight-back".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Isn't the benefit cap set at £23k of savings nowadays for ESA?

    Surely anyone coming here needs to have assets over that threshold as a bare minimum, so they can't immediately claim.

    Ditto whatever the threshold is for HB.

    IIRC when Hong Kong went to the Chinese, the Tories had a deal for passports set at some eyewatering sum like £300k.
    Socrates said:

    @David Herdson - so picking up on TSE's point (who kindly pointed out that income tests already apply) what further steps are open to us?

    There are some interesting proposals here, but less so on spousal immigration, and they seem to make some big assumptions about the overall effects on migration figures: http://www.balancedmigration.com/content/uploads/2012/10/ourcase.pdf

    The easiest things to do on spousal immigration is to:

    (a) require evidence of an existing relationship for, say, three years. We currently do this only for unmarried spouses and only for two years. It would get rid of a lot of arranged marriages.

    (b) up the amount required to bring over a spouse to about £26000

    (c) bring back primary purpose rule

  • The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    JBriskin said:

    Funky lists Socrates - I take it back. Surprised about India and Pakistan, I'd have thought they were all 2nd gen by now. Apparently the semi-mythical poles ain't so mythical - I'm sure they used to go to the pub a lot more often though - not Farage's fault (That's genuinely no sarcasm - I know it can be very very difficult sometimes)

    I believe Pakistan now tops the list for new entrants. A lot of it is family migration: about half of Pakistani British males get wives from the subcontinent.
    And is one of the main reasons that not only is integration not happening but disparateness and ghettoization is increasing. It would also be easy to stop, if a government had a mind to.
    How would it be easy to stop, David? Do we ban people from marrying foreign nationals?

    I agree it's a problem we need to address. I'm just not sure how. How would you do that without (say) stopping a Englishman marrying an Australian wife?

    Do we make marriage subject to an English language or income test?

    Genuinely interested in suggestions.
    In terms of your Australian question, you could always have a points system for spousal immigration, e.g. you need to prove greater funds if they're less skilled. Primary purpose rule also would be unlikely to affect Australians.
    So why hasn't the current coalition government reintroduced primary purpose then?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Socrates said:

    @David Herdson - so picking up on TSE's point (who kindly pointed out that income tests already apply) what further steps are open to us?

    There are some interesting proposals here, but less so on spousal immigration, and they seem to make some big assumptions about the overall effects on migration figures: http://www.balancedmigration.com/content/uploads/2012/10/ourcase.pdf

    The easiest things to do on spousal immigration is to:

    (a) require evidence of an existing relationship for, say, three years. We currently do this only for unmarried spouses and only for two years. It would get rid of a lot of arranged marriages.

    (b) up the amount required to bring over a spouse to about £26000

    (c) bring back primary purpose rule
    Don't disagree with any of that. Just can't see how it will bring it all under control. Won't it just shave a few thousand off the annual figures?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    You gov???
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    @David Herdson - so picking up on TSE's point (who kindly pointed out that income tests already apply) what further steps are open to us?

    There are some interesting proposals here, but less so on spousal immigration, and they seem to make some big assumptions about the overall effects on migration figures: http://www.balancedmigration.com/content/uploads/2012/10/ourcase.pdf

    Firstly, the fact that someone might be married (or about to be) to a UK citizen shouldn't be treated as a reason in its own right. After that, in addition to an income test, apply a fairly rigorous skills-based assessment about, for example, potential employability.
    Thanks. So... English language, skills, employability, income, several years of evidence of a prior relationship needed to immigrate, and primary purpose.

    Seems fair. Why haven't the Tories done it already then? And will it be in the 2015 manifesto?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Fenman said:

    Fenman said:



    Fenman said:

    The Liberal Democrats might disappear, but Liberalism has been written off before and remained.

    UKIP? Well someone has to represent racists and homophobes and if the Tories aren't up to it anymore perhaps UKIP is here to stay?

    I wonder which party best represents bigoted fools like you? Certainly none that believe in the basic principles of democracy.
    In what way does this show that I don't believe in democracy? I fully accept that Racists and Homophobes should be represented. My question is who is best at doing it?
    You show that you don't believe in democracy by seeking to portray the legitimate concerns of a significant portion of the population as being 'racist and homophobic.

    Given that all the parties clearly have racists and homophobes in them to try and characterise UKIP as being the main home for those traits is bigoted in the extreme.
    Suggest you get out and talk to people on the doorstep. Actually UKIP supporters always protest that they are not racists. it usually starts with 'I'm not a racist but....'
    Which doesn't actually mean they are racist, it means they anticipate what they are about to say will provoke an accusation of racism. Which in today's society is not the same thing.

    Well quite, they might actually be telling the truth about themselves. But "Fenman" knows better than they do because ... I don't know why, actually.

    Except that calling people "racist"is a pretty accurate troll indicator these days.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
    50/1 at Ladbrokes. I'm tempted to stick a tenner on it.. just in case.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited October 2014

    @David Herdson - so picking up on TSE's point (who kindly pointed out that income tests already apply) what further steps are open to us?

    There are some interesting proposals here, but less so on spousal immigration, and they seem to make some big assumptions about the overall effects on migration figures: http://www.balancedmigration.com/content/uploads/2012/10/ourcase.pdf

    Firstly, the fact that someone might be married (or about to be) to a UK citizen shouldn't be treated as a reason in its own right. After that, in addition to an income test, apply a fairly rigorous skills-based assessment about, for example, potential employability.
    Thanks. So... English language, skills, employability, income, several years of evidence of a prior relationship needed to immigrate, and primary purpose.

    Seems fair. Why haven't the Tories done it already then? And will it be in the 2015 manifesto?
    The coalition has also brought in English Language qualifications requirement.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
    50/1 at Ladbrokes. I'm tempted to stick a tenner on it.. just in case.
    That would be a Red/Blue coalition. Not what I'd call grand.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,121


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
    50/1 at Ladbrokes. I'm tempted to stick a tenner on it.. just in case.
    No way. Minority with election 6 months later. Then maybe a Grand Coalition.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,121


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
    Very difficult to see circumstances where there is no viable government. Might be a temp coalition of the willing cobbled together from Celtic parties such as DUP and the odd Green or whatever, but something could be done, for six months or so. Alternative is minority with confidence and supply, plus the odd essential bit of law making. We've been here - its called 1974.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    They should sell tickets...

    @MichaelPDeacon: Nigel Farage laid down "a challenge" to Ed Miliband today. "Why don't we go to a working men's club in Newcastle, and see who gets on best"

    Love it!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Oops - why do I self ban myself from Wikipedia?

    Well I'm all for National Unity anyway...
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    I probably got that one wrong as well...
  • NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,121
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    They should sell tickets...

    @MichaelPDeacon: Nigel Farage laid down "a challenge" to Ed Miliband today. "Why don't we go to a working men's club in Newcastle, and see who gets on best"

    Love it!
    Better still South Shields, whose MP, until the knifing was, er, oh I forget.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Is it too early for the usual suspects to start wibbling about lack of tweets being good/bad, a Murdoch plot yet?
  • NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Have you got nothing better to do than sit on Twitter counting tweets? How sad......
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014
    saddened said:

    Is it too early for the usual suspects to start wibbling about lack of tweets being good/bad, a Murdoch plot yet?

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    IIIIIIIIIIIIIII

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Well gay marriage is like the Nazis. For that piss poor knowledge of history he deserves to be smacked around the chops with a haddock.

    Ukip has been forced to defend the fact that controversial ex-Christian Peoples Alliance leader Alan Craig, who once dubbed gay rights activists the "Gaystapo" in a reference to Nazi Germany's secret police, is joining their party.

    Craig, who has described same-sex marriage as "social vandalism" and tantamount to "child abuse", revealed in a recent blog post that he had been campaigning in Clacton for Tory defector Douglas Carswell in his bid to become Ukip's first elected MP, and had himself applied to join the party.

    The ex-Newham councillor told the Huffington Post UK that he was joining Ukip because he wanted Britain to leave the European Union and to break up the "Lib/Lab/Con cartel and the suffocating grasp of the metropolitan political class". He said he also admired "Ukip's courage in standing against the gay marriage tsunami that [David] Cameron et al. hit us with last year".

    In controversial comments published in the Church of England Newspaper in 2011, Craig compared gay marriage to the "invasion of Poland", warning that it could be a "catalyst for war and a cultural fight-back".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html

    With friends like that...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JBriskin said:


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
    50/1 at Ladbrokes. I'm tempted to stick a tenner on it.. just in case.
    That would be a Red/Blue coalition. Not what I'd call grand.
    Surely a red-blue coalition would be purple?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Have you got nothing better to do than sit on Twitter counting tweets? How sad......
    Lol - it's a bit like those high street coffee outlets Mr Kent - I highly recommend you start now before your etiquette goes to shit before you know it.

  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited October 2014

    Well gay marriage is like the Nazis. For that piss poor knowledge of history he deserves to be smacked around the chops with a haddock.

    Ukip has been forced to defend the fact that controversial ex-Christian Peoples Alliance leader Alan Craig, who once dubbed gay rights activists the "Gaystapo" in a reference to Nazi Germany's secret police, is joining their party.

    Craig, who has described same-sex marriage as "social vandalism" and tantamount to "child abuse", revealed in a recent blog post that he had been campaigning in Clacton for Tory defector Douglas Carswell in his bid to become Ukip's first elected MP, and had himself applied to join the party.

    The ex-Newham councillor told the Huffington Post UK that he was joining Ukip because he wanted Britain to leave the European Union and to break up the "Lib/Lab/Con cartel and the suffocating grasp of the metropolitan political class". He said he also admired "Ukip's courage in standing against the gay marriage tsunami that [David] Cameron et al. hit us with last year".

    In controversial comments published in the Church of England Newspaper in 2011, Craig compared gay marriage to the "invasion of Poland", warning that it could be a "catalyst for war and a cultural fight-back".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html

    Carswell must be delighted with these new friends of his.
  • Grandiose said:

    Well gay marriage is like the Nazis. For that piss poor knowledge of history he deserves to be smacked around the chops with a haddock.

    Ukip has been forced to defend the fact that controversial ex-Christian Peoples Alliance leader Alan Craig, who once dubbed gay rights activists the "Gaystapo" in a reference to Nazi Germany's secret police, is joining their party.

    Craig, who has described same-sex marriage as "social vandalism" and tantamount to "child abuse", revealed in a recent blog post that he had been campaigning in Clacton for Tory defector Douglas Carswell in his bid to become Ukip's first elected MP, and had himself applied to join the party.

    The ex-Newham councillor told the Huffington Post UK that he was joining Ukip because he wanted Britain to leave the European Union and to break up the "Lib/Lab/Con cartel and the suffocating grasp of the metropolitan political class". He said he also admired "Ukip's courage in standing against the gay marriage tsunami that [David] Cameron et al. hit us with last year".

    In controversial comments published in the Church of England Newspaper in 2011, Craig compared gay marriage to the "invasion of Poland", warning that it could be a "catalyst for war and a cultural fight-back".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html

    With friends like that...
    The Gay Blitzkrieg, not only do the Kippers blame the gayers for the weather, they get blamed for Tsunamis as well
  • NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Have you got nothing better to do than sit on Twitter counting tweets? How sad......
    LOL!!!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Clearly going for the Nimby vote rather than the young, cannot afford a house where I grew up, vote.

    The joys of kipperism know no bounds!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:


    The fixed term parliament act makes two elections unlikely.

    In the event of a completely hung parliament with no viable government able to be formed, there would be a second election - Fixed term or no Fixed term.

    I think it is unlikely but far from impossible.
    Grand coalition.
    50/1 at Ladbrokes. I'm tempted to stick a tenner on it.. just in case.
    That would be a Red/Blue coalition. Not what I'd call grand.
    Surely a red-blue coalition would be purple?
    Depends if it's paint or light I believe. It's Grand though - I made a boo boo.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    Clacton by election turnout

    Over 50% 8/11
    Under 50% Even money

    Any views?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014

    NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Clearly going for the Nimby vote rather than the young, cannot afford a house where I grew up, vote.

    The joys of kipperism know no bounds!
    it's more subtle than that.... no really....

    DC said the housing is for Londoners to move out from the smoke - he's playing on local fears of Johnny Londoner coming over here, taking our parking spaces. Send'em back !
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Clacton UKIP %

    Over 54% 4/5
    Under 54% 10/11

    Any views?
  • JBriskin said:

    NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Have you got nothing better to do than sit on Twitter counting tweets? How sad......
    Lol - it's a bit like those high street coffee outlets Mr Kent - I highly recommend you start now before your etiquette goes to shit before you know it.

    I do not frequent High Street coffee outlets either. The 'wonders' of 'modern' Britain are just passing me by and is this the face of concern? I think not.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    Won't you be on the ground Isam?? You should be telling us. Oh, it's maybe too early for that. Once you're on the ground let us know.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    isam said:

    Clacton by election turnout

    Over 50% 8/11
    Under 50% Even money

    Any views?

    Should be high for a by-election, what with a strong over-65 element in the northern part of the constituency and a high profile (and fair divisive) campaign. But I find myself unable to recall a "typical" by-election turnout for comparison purposes.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Hmmm, the yougov is late, what dastardly plot has Murdoch hatched this time?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2014
    Matt - harsh, but fair...!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,591
    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    Clacton by election turnout

    Over 50% 8/11
    Under 50% Even money

    Any views?

    Should be high for a by-election, what with a strong over-65 element in the northern part of the constituency and a high profile (and fair divisive) campaign. But I find myself unable to recall a "typical" by-election turnout for comparison purposes.
    53% in Eastleigh (which was a genuine contest)
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    Grandiose said:

    Well gay marriage is like the Nazis. For that piss poor knowledge of history he deserves to be smacked around the chops with a haddock.

    Ukip has been forced to defend the fact that controversial ex-Christian Peoples Alliance leader Alan Craig, who once dubbed gay rights activists the "Gaystapo" in a reference to Nazi Germany's secret police, is joining their party.

    Craig, who has described same-sex marriage as "social vandalism" and tantamount to "child abuse", revealed in a recent blog post that he had been campaigning in Clacton for Tory defector Douglas Carswell in his bid to become Ukip's first elected MP, and had himself applied to join the party.

    The ex-Newham councillor told the Huffington Post UK that he was joining Ukip because he wanted Britain to leave the European Union and to break up the "Lib/Lab/Con cartel and the suffocating grasp of the metropolitan political class". He said he also admired "Ukip's courage in standing against the gay marriage tsunami that [David] Cameron et al. hit us with last year".

    In controversial comments published in the Church of England Newspaper in 2011, Craig compared gay marriage to the "invasion of Poland", warning that it could be a "catalyst for war and a cultural fight-back".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html

    With friends like that...
    The Gay Blitzkrieg, not only do the Kippers blame the gayers for the weather, they get blamed for Tsunamis as well
    I've got this week's Catholic Herald. There's an interview with a Catholic UKIP MEP. I'll post some of it later in the week.

    Nick Palmer ex-MP, did you see many Christian lobbyists at the UKIP conference?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    NIMBY-KIPPER pig-dog has tweeted this identically or in slightly modified ways, I make it 12 times in 24 hours.....


    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    Conservative and Labour candidates for #clacton want 12,000 extra houses for our area http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=79s-CrUIses

    Have you got nothing better to do than sit on Twitter counting tweets? How sad......
    Lol - it's a bit like those high street coffee outlets Mr Kent - I highly recommend you start now before your etiquette goes to shit before you know it.

    I do not frequent High Street coffee outlets either. The 'wonders' of 'modern' Britain are just passing me by and is this the face of concern? I think not.
    If only it were that easy Mr Kent. I always went for the cup of tea (literally! Internet and Nick P solidarity!) option anyway.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    I fancy Lab to be back ahead with YouGov:

    - Cameron bounce fading
    - Populus suggests true position remains narrow Lab lead (even with Cameron bounce)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That will be the abiding memory of their conf. I find the explanation that lots of people don't go into the main hall a bit unconvincing.

    If that's typical - why book such an enormous venue to have it 90% unattended? It's not like the LDs haven't organised a conf before.

    Matt - harsh, but fair...!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

  • MikeL said:

    I fancy Lab to be back ahead with YouGov:

    - Cameron bounce fading
    - Populus suggests true position remains narrow Lab lead (even with Cameron bounce)

    I predict a double digit Labour lead.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    JBriskin said:

    Won't you be on the ground Isam?? You should be telling us. Oh, it's maybe too early for that. Once you're on the ground let us know.

    I'll be on the ground on Thursday, but that might be a bit late for the bet
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    edited October 2014

    Itajai said:

    dr_spyn said:

    "UKIP want to prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally." How very Aryan.


    Not sure how that would be controversial. Except in eh far out reaches of PC-land.
    Better give housing to third world immigrants brought in to shore up the Labour vote then? How is that "fairer"?
    The main purpose of social housing is to provide decent housing to people in difficulty. It's reasonable to do it according to the level of difficulty, as currently, rather than on the localness of the applicant's grandfather ("Your granddad was from Bradford and this is Leeds!"). If parties wish to restrict immigration, they should propose to do so directly, not by making up peculiar rules like this.
    How do you feel about highly paid union execs living in social housing?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    While we wait for YouGov...

    @CCHQPress: "Labour faces full-scale leadership crisis as fears grow over Ed Miliband" http://t.co/8IQf578PbY
  • Meanwhile in other news Labour MP's' wife gets in trouble with the sisterhood:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11146771/Labour-MPs-wife-Karen-Danczuk-embroiled-in-Loose-Women-row-over-cleavage-selfies.html

    And doesn't she just!

    http://tinyurl.com/ngx5gff

    What will Hattie say!
  • saddened said:

    Hmmm, the yougov is late, what dastardly plot has Murdoch hatched this time?

    Pretty bored of the Sun faffing around with this poll to be honest. Just stick the numbers up at ten - we've got beds to go.
  • saddened said:

    Is it too early for the usual suspects to start wibbling about lack of tweets being good/bad, a Murdoch plot yet?

    Prime suspect....


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
    Where's Tonight’s YouGov Sun poll? It used to be that when we didn't get it by 10pm it wasn't good for the blues
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Ninoinoz said:


    I've got this week's Catholic Herald. There's an interview with a Catholic UKIP MEP. I'll post some of it later in the week.

    Nick Palmer ex-MP, did you see many Christian lobbyists at the UKIP conference?

    Only one who made a point of his organisation's religion - Christian soldiers for Britain or something like that (he was there last year too). Otherwise didn't notice any religious-oriented stands, though there was a stand promoting traditional marriage. In general I'd have described the atmosphere as amiably middle-class rather than evangelical.

    YouGov: I predict a lead of no more than 2% either way..

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And that hasn't been true for the last couple. It's been ages since I was tantalised by YouGov polls, they normally just wash over me.

    saddened said:

    Is it too early for the usual suspects to start wibbling about lack of tweets being good/bad, a Murdoch plot yet?

    Prime suspect....


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
    Where's Tonight’s YouGov Sun poll? It used to be that when we didn't get it by 10pm it wasn't good for the blues
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    Is it too early for the usual suspects to start wibbling about lack of tweets being good/bad, a Murdoch plot yet?

    Prime suspect....


    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
    Where's Tonight’s YouGov Sun poll? It used to be that when we didn't get it by 10pm it wasn't good for the blues
    Brilliant! Always love a good myth.
  • Meanwhile in other news Labour MP's' wife gets in trouble with the sisterhood:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11146771/Labour-MPs-wife-Karen-Danczuk-embroiled-in-Loose-Women-row-over-cleavage-selfies.html

    And doesn't she just!

    http://tinyurl.com/ngx5gff

    What will Hattie say!

    So what?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    Great piece from the Fink in The Times about the LDs - well worth a look. He crowbars in the demise of Rinka.

    To paraphrase him - between the war and Clegg, the LDs had 7 leaders. Two had a serious drink problem, one was embroiled in a sex scandal, and Mr Thorpe at the Old Bailey. Oh and despite hardly any MP they got Cyril Smith and Mr Bessell - a fraudster... How did they acquire a clean image??!

    And then there's Huhne and Mr Hancocks various sexploits. Not exactly *clean politics*
  • MikeL said:

    I fancy Lab to be back ahead with YouGov:

    - Cameron bounce fading
    - Populus suggests true position remains narrow Lab lead (even with Cameron bounce)

    I predict a double digit Labour lead.
    very shrewd - much like backing Spurs vs any top 4 team
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    saddened said:

    Hmmm, the yougov is late, what dastardly plot has Murdoch hatched this time?

    Pretty bored of the Sun faffing around with this poll to be honest. Just stick the numbers up at ten - we've got beds to go.
    Suspect they have more pressing deadlines than catering for seven anoraks on a political website.
  • MikeL said:

    I fancy Lab to be back ahead with YouGov:

    - Cameron bounce fading
    - Populus suggests true position remains narrow Lab lead (even with Cameron bounce)

    I predict a double digit Labour lead.
    very shrewd - much like backing Spurs vs any top 4 team
    Think of us poor souls waiting for the YouGov so we can publish the next thread
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Was it 10.30 last night?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Miliband, Clegg and Cameron should all quit, to be replaced by JBriskin: political poet of our epoch.

    Ask not what your country can do for you. Rather ask what your country can do for JBriskin.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: big respite for nervous Ed Miliband as Labour regain the lead, for now at least. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 15%, LD 8%.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2014
    Scott_P wins
  • Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight: big respite for nervous Ed Miliband as Labour regain the lead, for now at least. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 15%, LD 8%.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight: big respite for nervous Ed Miliband as Labour regain the lead, for now at least. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 15%, LD 8%.

  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    MikeL said:

    I fancy Lab to be back ahead with YouGov:

    - Cameron bounce fading
    - Populus suggests true position remains narrow Lab lead (even with Cameron bounce)

    I predict a double digit Labour lead.
    very shrewd - much like backing Spurs vs any top 4 team
    Think of us poor souls waiting for the YouGov so we can publish the next thread
    Conference polling is always volatile... we'll need more polls to see the true picture
  • MikeL said:

    I fancy Lab to be back ahead with YouGov:

    - Cameron bounce fading
    - Populus suggests true position remains narrow Lab lead (even with Cameron bounce)

    I predict a double digit Labour lead.
    very shrewd - much like backing Spurs vs any top 4 team
    Think of us poor souls waiting for the YouGov so we can publish the next thread
    Think of us poor souls waiting for the Bale return (early 30s?) so we can push for fifth.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited October 2014
    saddened said:

    saddened said:

    Hmmm, the yougov is late, what dastardly plot has Murdoch hatched this time?

    Pretty bored of the Sun faffing around with this poll to be honest. Just stick the numbers up at ten - we've got beds to go.
    Suspect they have more pressing deadlines than catering for seven anoraks on a political website.
    Are you one of the sad seven saddened? Say it isn't so.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Four in a row, but only one can be FIRST !
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: big respite for nervous Ed Miliband as Labour regain the lead, for now at least. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 15%, LD 8%.

    Surely it's too late now for Miliband to go. If you're Burnham or Chuka or whoever, you'd have the patience to see Ed crumble before making your move.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited October 2014

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight: big respite for nervous Ed Miliband as Labour regain the lead, for now at least. LAB 34%, CON 32%, UKIP 15%, LD 8%.

    ....ah well, it was good for the PB Hodges whilst it lasted. WOT....NO NEW THREAD????
  • New Thread
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    :)
  • Negative cross over!!! a guzzunder
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014

    Meanwhile in other news Labour MP's' wife gets in trouble with the sisterhood:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11146771/Labour-MPs-wife-Karen-Danczuk-embroiled-in-Loose-Women-row-over-cleavage-selfies.html

    And doesn't she just!

    http://tinyurl.com/ngx5gff

    What will Hattie say!

    So what?
    Well I wouldn't expect an unreconstructed socialist neanderthal like yourself to understand phrases like the 'objectification of women' but Mrs Danczuk is seriously letting the sisterhood down particularly when the party has been making an issue out of it.

    http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/264
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682
    edited October 2014

    Grandiose said:

    Well gay marriage is like the Nazis. For that piss poor knowledge of history he deserves to be smacked around the chops with a haddock.

    Ukip has been forced to defend the fact that controversial ex-Christian Peoples Alliance leader Alan Craig, who once dubbed gay rights activists the "Gaystapo" in a reference to Nazi Germany's secret police, is joining their party.

    Craig, who has described same-sex marriage as "social vandalism" and tantamount to "child abuse", revealed in a recent blog post that he had been campaigning in Clacton for Tory defector Douglas Carswell in his bid to become Ukip's first elected MP, and had himself applied to join the party.

    The ex-Newham councillor told the Huffington Post UK that he was joining Ukip because he wanted Britain to leave the European Union and to break up the "Lib/Lab/Con cartel and the suffocating grasp of the metropolitan political class". He said he also admired "Ukip's courage in standing against the gay marriage tsunami that [David] Cameron et al. hit us with last year".

    In controversial comments published in the Church of England Newspaper in 2011, Craig compared gay marriage to the "invasion of Poland", warning that it could be a "catalyst for war and a cultural fight-back".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html

    With friends like that...
    The Gay Blitzkrieg, not only do the Kippers blame the gayers for the weather, they get blamed for Tsunamis as well
    As I have said many times on here before TSE, as long as Tories like you are willing to support a party that has elected officials in it like Ken "with a bit of luck you'll get Aids" Gregory you are in no position to criticise other parties who also have lunatics supporting them.

    And there is a the difference for you. Alan Craig is just a member (although I wish he were not). Ken Gregory is STILL an elected Conservative councillor years after he was given a police caution for his offensive homophobic phone calls.

    Put bluntly you, like so many other Tories, are a hypocrite.
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