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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Just out of interest, why are loads of icons (I think those which are Vanilla defaults) failing to load?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014
    Ashcroft poll - Greens on 7% ?!

    Does anyone think the Greens will get anywhere near that ?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour gains in NW by elections by vote share this parliament;

    13.01.11 Oldham 10.2%
    15.11.12 Manchester Central 16.4%
    13.02.14 Wythenshawe and Sale 11.2%
    09.10.14 Heywood and Middleton (proj) 8%

    Enthusiasm fading since mid term?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If Lord Ashcroft's poll is correct, the remaining Conservatives are going to be resistant to squeezing by either UKIP or Labour: 90% are fairly sure that they will act on their stated voting intention.

    By way of contrast, 35% of the remaining Lib Dem voters may well change their mind.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft poll - Greens on 7% ?!

    Does anyone think the Greens will get anywhere near that ?

    I'm reasonably confident of that. Plus / minus 5%.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    I've been in London for just under 25 years now. No one has ever stood up for the elderly on public transport. Ever.

    Nonsense. I am not elderly - a very long away, in fact - but surprisingly often get offered a seat on the tube or the bus, usually in the morning when, depressingly, I like to think I look my best. I smile graciously and always always accept the seat. Mind you, I have taught my children to offer up their seats.

    (To be honest, I now get offered a seat more often than when I was visibly pregnant.)

    Maybe my bit of North London is full of very polite people.......or maybe I look incredibly haggard and/or fat.

    Both my wife and I (OAP’s) have been offered seats on buses and the tube. Have to say she gets more offers than I do. Notably tends to be ethnic minority young men.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Just out of interest, why are loads of icons (I think those which are Vanilla defaults) failing to load?

    Dunno but tbh I prefer pb without the godawful default icons that identify no-one but add to the cost for those on metered services or capped contracts.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Mr. Eagles, that isn't crossover. The Greens have failed to outpoll the Lib Dems.

    Not taking it at all seriously, but before the adjustment for don't knows, the Greens lead the Lib Dems by 38 respondents to 35, or 7.35% to 6.77%.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Me, well, that's something for the Greens, then.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    chestnut said:

    Labour gains in NW by elections by vote share this parliament;

    13.01.11 Oldham 10.2%
    15.11.12 Manchester Central 16.4%
    13.02.14 Wythenshawe and Sale 11.2%
    09.10.14 Heywood and Middleton (proj) 8%

    Enthusiasm fading since mid term?

    #swingback


  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The Scotland pattern is now consistent across Ashcroft/Populus and Yougov. Big SNP leads on the subsamples.

    Ashcroft also mirroring Yougov in showing that Labour and Tory 2010 vote retention is now near enough level.

    The conference season appears to have tempted a few defectors away from UKIP and back to the Tories, while a few percent of the Labour support seems to have decided to find a new home.

    For every LD-LAB switcher, there are close to two LD switchers going elsewhere.

    Also, Tories have 6 point lead in England with Ashcroft (35-29).


  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    US probably distracted by the Korea rumours over the last week or so.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. T, entirely legitimate thing to bang on about (tremendously serious and happening right now).

    I know the Turks and Kurds are traditional enemies, but would the Turks really prefer ISIS on its border for hundreds of miles? Or, as suggested, they're waiting for ISIS to kill as many Kurds as possible before starting to fight ISIS.
  • numbercrunchernumbercruncher Posts: 136
    edited October 2014
    Has Cameron started to make Labour and Ukip voters reconsider? We need more evidence but this is interesting nonetheless...

    twitter.com/NCruncherUK/status/519144476691152896/photo/1
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft poll - Greens on 7% ?!

    Does anyone think the Greens will get anywhere near that ?

    Does any party - ever - achieve the best poll score that it receives from the many hundreds of polls that are conducted prior to an election?

    Fun though. Is the choice for the pollsters whether to prompt for all five parties, or just to give up on the Lib Dems and prompt for Con, Lab and UKIP?
  • Guido has the pics from the Lib Dems hot date Conference.

    3rd pic down FYI is from last year.

    http://order-order.com/2014/10/06/boring-snoring-libdem-conference-picture-special/

    Just wait for these dynamos to GOTV at GE2015!
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    antifrank said:

    If Lord Ashcroft's poll is correct, the remaining Conservatives are going to be resistant to squeezing by either UKIP or Labour: 90% are fairly sure that they will act on their stated voting intention.

    By way of contrast, 35% of the remaining Lib Dem voters may well change their mind.

    That's only people currently intending to vote Conservative.

    The Survation poll had 27% of 2010 Con voters, intending to vote, but currently undecided who to vote for.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    US probably distracted by the Korea rumours over the last week or so.

    They don't get distracted.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    chestnut said:

    The Scotland pattern is now consistent across Ashcroft/Populus and Yougov. Big SNP leads on the subsamples.

    Ashcroft also mirroring Yougov in showing that Labour and Tory 2010 vote retention is now near enough level.

    The conference season appears to have tempted a few defectors away from UKIP and back to the Tories, while a few percent of the Labour support seems to have decided to find a new home.

    For every LD-LAB switcher, there are close to two LD switchers going elsewhere.

    Also, Tories have 6 point lead in England with Ashcroft (35-29).


    Some Scotland specific polls would be useful.
  • SeanT said:

    Sorry to bang on, but this is just awful. Sounds like the town is falling.

    @HaraldDoornbos 1m ago
    Now behind shed with sheep. It soon will be dark here on turkish side #Kobane, ISIS clearly moving to center, I haven't seen airstrikes.

    And it all happened on Twitter. Maybe Obama is more of a Facebook kinda guy?


    If he can be pictured laughing and joking on the golf course minutes after his statement on the beheading of Foley, I guess he's not that bothered what people think of him.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Just seen the Bianchi crash. Grim. Frankly amazed his head remained attached to the rest of him, never mind surviving and breathing independently.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MSmithsonPB: Lord Ashcroft poll has 19% of 2010 LDs now saying LAB with 15% saying CON. That is seriously worrying for LAB. The gap has been much wider

    Firewall...
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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Numbercruncher, maybe. We should also ask if Miliband has made UKIP and Labour voters reconsider.
  • Iain_ColemanIain_Coleman Posts: 19
    edited October 2014

    Has Cameron started to make Labour and Ukip voters reconsider? We need more evidence but this is interesting nonetheless... twitter.com/NCruncherUK/status/519144476691152896/photo/1

    Labour and UKIP support softening, Conservative vote steady, Lib Dem vote hardening. Interesting.
  • Anorak said:

    Just seen the Bianchi crash. Grim. Frankly amazed his head remained attached to the rest of him, never mind surviving and breathing independently.

    Absolutely, it was lucky he hit the digger left-side on, so the roll hoop took some of the impact instead of his helmet. Head-on doesn't bear thinking about

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Scotland pattern is now consistent across Ashcroft/Populus and Yougov. Big SNP leads on the subsamples.

    Ashcroft also mirroring Yougov in showing that Labour and Tory 2010 vote retention is now near enough level.

    The conference season appears to have tempted a few defectors away from UKIP and back to the Tories, while a few percent of the Labour support seems to have decided to find a new home.

    For every LD-LAB switcher, there are close to two LD switchers going elsewhere.

    Also, Tories have 6 point lead in England with Ashcroft (35-29).


    Some Scotland specific polls would be useful.
    There was one last week for Panelbase: SNP 34, Labour 32, Con 18, UKIP 6, LD 5.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2014
    From the Daily Mash (hat tip Guido)"

    “A half-empty room populated by tired-looking pasty men with poor home lives, staring blankly at the entertainment while occasionally rummaging in their coats for a sandwich or biscuit.

    “You can tell some delegates are homeless and have come in just for a sleep in the dry.

    “Danny Alexander complained about the overpowering smell of wet clothes in the main auditorium, but I told him that sometimes in life you have to take what you can get.”"
    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/lib-dem-conference-has-ambience-of-a-porno-cinema-2014100691381
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    chestnut said:

    Labour gains in NW by elections by vote share this parliament;

    13.01.11 Oldham 10.2%
    15.11.12 Manchester Central 16.4%
    13.02.14 Wythenshawe and Sale 11.2%
    09.10.14 Heywood and Middleton (proj) 8%

    Enthusiasm fading since mid term?

    The Con-Lab swing on Ashcroft's poll is 9%.

    Wythenshawe and Sale East ~ 11%
    Manchester Central ~ 12%
    Oldham ~12%

    So it would be a touch down on precedent. It could be that the Conservatives will be a bit lower than in the poll, and that would increase the Con-Lab swing even if they all voted UKIP.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    antifrank said:

    If Lord Ashcroft's poll is correct, the remaining Conservatives are going to be resistant to squeezing by either UKIP or Labour: 90% are fairly sure that they will act on their stated voting intention.

    By way of contrast, 35% of the remaining Lib Dem voters may well change their mind.

    I think you've read the tables wrong - not that my reading is any better for the Lib Dems...
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