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edited September 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » ComRes phone poll for the Independent is out

The fieldwork was Friday to Sunday inclusive, so some of it was conducted during Mark Reckless’ defection and Brooks Newmark’s resignation. There’ll probably be relief at Tory HQ, given that and the the polling was conducted in the aftermath of the Labour conference that they are up 1% and not down a significant amount.

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  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Firsty first
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    No event over the past month seems to have impacted voting intention to the slightest.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG LAB 354 CON 248 LD 21 EICIPM

    Tonights Com Res LAB 360 CON 229 LD 33 EICIPM
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Time ticking away for PB Hodges. MP's slipping away for Team Cameron.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I wonder how John Rentoul will spin this one !
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    The Lord Ashcroft/polling fringe event is on BBC Parly now btw.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Tonights YG LAB 354 CON 248 LD 21 EICIPM

    Tonights Com Res LAB 360 CON 229 LD 33 EICIPM

    Are you saying twice that Ed is so crap and yet the Tories cannot stop him from becoming PM ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Who needs a bounce when you are ahead ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Haha love the size of that "-2" in the "change since last month" tab!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    DH/JR must be the same person surely.

    Another early night for PB Tories?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Labour bounce of -1.

    Very good conference. There is loads of time for significant change.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    surbiton said:

    I wonder how John Rentoul will spin this one !

    A "Hodgesque" Disaster for Ed?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    No defection today ! I am getting bored !!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Striking that the UKIP conference had no positive effect.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    At what point will big Labour leads stop being noteworthy? Oh wait, it already has been. Boring polls then.
  • At this rate there will have to be a steward's inquiry into these conferences. Labour's was shit, could the Tories' unfathomably be worse? Dave still to speak tomorrow however.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    A while ago people used to say some pollsters had "others" too big.. Ashcroft in particular I think

    Could it be the SNP?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Compouter2 This poll was taken in the aftermath of the Labour conference, the Reckless defection and the Newmark allegations, if there was going to be a bounce, those were hardly the circumstances for it
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    surbiton said:

    Tonights YG LAB 354 CON 248 LD 21 EICIPM

    Tonights Com Res LAB 360 CON 229 LD 33 EICIPM

    Are you saying twice that Ed is so crap and yet the Tories cannot stop him from becoming PM ?
    Twice you must be joking. I reckon I have said it at least 1000 times since June. Started as a spoof of PB Tories but now ive got EICIPM OCD
  • Poll rating fluctuates within margin of error SHOCK.
  • surbiton said:

    I wonder how John Rentoul will spin this one !

    Don't encourage him. A period of silence on Rentoul's part would be most welcome.
  • kle4 said:

    At what point will big Labour leads stop being noteworthy? Oh wait, it already has been. Boring polls then.

    Two years ago, big regular Labour leads were double digit leads. Seldom see those anymore.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Striking that the UKIP conference had no positive effect.

    Surely ISIS air strikes were dominating the media?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Striking that the UKIP conference had no positive effect.

    It seems that no conference will produce any movement this year.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited September 2014
    [Another early night for PB Tories?]

    Say what you like about the PB Tories (meaning 2) - but at least they know how to have fun.

    Look at that graph - funky funky funky for Team Ed (is crap). All you've got on the Tv is A Neil.

    But no - the non-exiscent PB Labs just never turn up to the party.
  • isam said:

    Haha love the size of that "-2" in the "change since last month" tab!

    Is a relative thing, it would have been smaller if UKIP's lead had been -4, and the say the Tories were up 5.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?
  • Striking that the UKIP conference had no positive effect.

    Normal people were glued to the Ryder Cup
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
  • JBriskin said:

    [Another early night for PB Tories?]

    Say what you like about the PB Tories (meaning 2) - but at least they know how to have fun.

    Look at that graph - funky funky funky for Team Ed (is crap). All you've got on the Tv is A Neil.

    But no - the non-exiscent PB Labs just never turn up to the party.

    Can someone translate that post for me? I actually have no idea what it means.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Elderly lady activist pictured burning EU glag outside Tory conference centre on BBC news, UKIP infiltrator?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    This polling fringe sesh needs a camera on the (I assume it's a) powerpoint. You can't see what he's referring to. And it's a bit painfully shouty. Doesn't he have a mike?
  • For the purposes of comparison, in September 2009, the Tories had a 15% lead over Labour with ComRes.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Comres Sample: 2010 Vote

    Labour 255
    Tory 208
    UKIP 117
    Lib Dem 58

    Bizarre. It bears zero reflection to what actually happened in 2010.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    Probably.
  • Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    At what point will big Labour leads stop being noteworthy? Oh wait, it already has been. Boring polls then.

    Two years ago, big regular Labour leads were double digit leads. Seldom see those anymore.
    Granted. I'm sure they would prefer to have those still. Good for them they don't even need a lead to win though.

    If the Tories do manage to win, the howls of anguish from the anti-Cameron brigade (those that would rather the Tories lose under Cameron that is, not just those who dislike Cameron) will be something to behold, that's for sure.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    A few months to go until an election the Tories hope to win, and they are in the 20s.

    The analysis?

    "There'll probably be relief at Tory HQ"

    Gotta love Tory Stand-in Editors.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    isam said:

    Striking that the UKIP conference had no positive effect.

    Surely ISIS air strikes were dominating the media?
    To be fair, UKIP is consolidating around 15%.

    Two years ago, I wrote that I would put the UKIP vote at a minimum of 6%. Then I revised it upwards to 8%. Now 10% looks like a banker. Albeit all the additional 7% from GE2010 have not come from the Tories, more like Tories 5, Labour 2.

    Until Carswell and Reckless, even those percentages would not have guaranteed an MP. But one or two positive results will mean that many UKIP sympathisers who otherwise would have drifted back to the Tories on the "wasted votes" propaganda , will not do so now as they will have proof that UKIP can win HoC seats.

    To an extent, it is like the Black vote in the early part of the Democratic primaries in 2008. Only after Iowa and NH, did they really believe that Obama could win and that was when the big shift took place away from Clinton.
  • Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    A defecator would really ruin it.
  • Hugh said:

    A few months to go until an election the Tories hope to win, and they are in the 20s.

    The analysis?

    "There'll probably be relief at Tory HQ"

    Gotta love Tory Stand-in Editors.

    Taking my comment out of context Hugh.
  • Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    Well they have run out of the gang of two MPs. Carswell and Reckless were friends and hannon was the other member but he is just an MEP and is more principled than the other 2.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited September 2014
    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
  • I don't think they should do any more during conference season. It will look vindictive. Better to just keep them ebbing away until election time.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    ComRes/Independent on Sunday 2009-10-01 40 28 19 12

    Con 12 point lead on 1/10/09 turned into Con 7.2% lead at GE2010
  • Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.
  • surbiton said:

    Tonights YG LAB 354 CON 248 LD 21 EICIPM

    Tonights Com Res LAB 360 CON 229 LD 33 EICIPM

    Are you saying twice that Ed is so crap and yet the Tories cannot stop him from becoming PM ?
    Yes Ed is so bad that he cannot get any worse. Labour are riding on the protest NOTA votes awaiting swing back.
  • Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.

    Get some sleep, no significant defection tonight.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    I think you're safe.

    I would expect the defector to be announced between 10am and 11am.

    Cameron starts at 11.15am.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
  • Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.

    My instinct would be to go with no defection. Of course I don't know anything more than anyone else but I reckon we have seen the end of any MP defections at least until after the Clacton By election.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    You can do a thread about known unknowns:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk

    We know that there will be a Tory defector, we don't know when (we can guess during Cameron's speech), and we don't know who.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    LOL. You would assume they would have the biggie lined up for tomorrow to blow Camerons headlines off the front page. I know most of his speech has already been trailed, but they do like pictures of him with the greatful masses waving Union Jacks and clapping. A biggie would ruin the lot.
  • Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    A defecator would really ruin it.
    There is always a Lib Dem MP available.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    surbiton said:

    Tonights YG LAB 354 CON 248 LD 21 EICIPM

    Tonights Com Res LAB 360 CON 229 LD 33 EICIPM

    Are you saying twice that Ed is so crap and yet the Tories cannot stop him from becoming PM ?
    Yes Ed is so bad that he cannot get any worse. Labour are riding on the protest NOTA votes awaiting swing back.
    Apparently EM will never be PM.

    Jacks ARSE says so.

    Unfortunately MCARSE was wrong by circa 5% so dont hold your breath.

    Even Prof Fisher now has LAB as biggest party
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    I never said I liked graphs anyway.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    News just in that a Labour councillor on Cambridge City Council has resigned . She was elected for Queens Edith ward in 2011 but all the other ward councillors are Lib Dems .
    The by election will no doubt be very hard fought with both parties putting all resources into the contest which will be a real test of their campaigning strengths locally and give pointers to the GE chances next May .
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Oh very funny BJO

    I'm watching Sarah you can all take the piss if you want.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014
    MikeL said:

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    I think you're safe.

    I would expect the defector to be announced between 10am and 11am.

    Cameron starts at 11.15am.
    They could do it as he is speaking or just after.
    I think by 1 pm or 5 pm for the news.
  • Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
  • UKIP down in two ELBOWs in a row:

    -0.3% week ending 21st September
    -0.6% week ending 28th September
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    News just in that a Labour councillor on Cambridge City Council has resigned . She was elected for Queens Edith ward in 2011 but all the other ward councillors are Lib Dems .
    The by election will no doubt be very hard fought with both parties putting all resources into the contest which will be a real test of their campaigning strengths locally and give pointers to the GE chances next May .

    I was planning to have a rest this month....
  • Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.

    Agree with posters below: go to bed. Nothing's going to happen overnight.

    And now, I shall take my own advice.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    News just in that a Labour councillor on Cambridge City Council has resigned . She was elected for Queens Edith ward in 2011 but all the other ward councillors are Lib Dems .
    The by election will no doubt be very hard fought with both parties putting all resources into the contest which will be a real test of their campaigning strengths locally and give pointers to the GE chances next May .


    Oh my life, stop the press!!!

    Do you realise this news has absolutely naused TSE's plans for morning threads???
  • I think Cameron will play his conference speech for sympathy. Tough times, tough decisions, scars on my back, I'm not perfect, beaded brow, quivering upper lip, softer side, Cameron under strain etc. -indirectly to try and make poor old robotic Reckless look like even more of a troll, and UKIP look like a baying mob banging at the gates of civilised society. No-one ever accused Cameron of not being able to turn out a good speech when his back's against the wall, so I'd expect this to be a belter. Not sure it will make a huge difference in the grand scheme though.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Gideon failed to achieve his own targets on the deficit. Miserably,
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    LOL. You would assume they would have the biggie lined up for tomorrow to blow Camerons headlines off the front page. I know most of his speech has already been trailed, but they do like pictures of him with the greatful masses waving Union Jacks and clapping. A biggie would ruin the lot.
    I've heard the bombshell in Cameron's speech is when he reveals that the Queen uses Aldi own brand toilet paper
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.

    My instinct would be to go with no defection. Of course I don't know anything more than anyone else but I reckon we have seen the end of any MP defections at least until after the Clacton By election.
    Yeah, Kip have wrecked the Tory Conference and used it, effectively, as a PR exercise for their own Party. Job done, no need for another showstopper. Yet.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    isam said:

    Will UKIP reveal another Tory defector to usurp Camerons speech?

    It's a fecking nightmare for me.

    Normally I write the morning thread about now, and set it to autopublish at 5am.

    I'm scared to do that this evening. A defector would bugger up that thread before it is published.
    LOL. You would assume they would have the biggie lined up for tomorrow to blow Camerons headlines off the front page. I know most of his speech has already been trailed, but they do like pictures of him with the greatful masses waving Union Jacks and clapping. A biggie would ruin the lot.
    I've heard the bombshell in Cameron's speech is when he reveals that the Queen uses Aldi own brand toilet paper
    You know what it's like, when you can't help gossiping about a distant member of your family.

    Wonder how those people from The Palace that handed hapless Dave his first job feel now?
  • So, if I understood Lord Ashcroft correctly, looks like UKIP have Thurrock and Thanet South. He hasn't looked at Clacton or Rochester, but we can probably give them one if not two of them. Survation puts UKIP miles clear in Boston, and level in North Thanet.

    Over 5 Seats should be odds on, not odds against.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    George Monbiot posts article 'Why stop at ISIS when we could become the whole Muslim world'
    only to later tweet 'Reading btl on this week's column and seeing how many people hate all Muslims makes me despair for humanity'
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot
  • Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Really? Are you not worried that while the Tories have just about increased spending in real terms in the NHS, in Wales where Labour run the NHS they have cut spending by 8%?

    How do you explain that?
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    Time ticking away for PB Hodges. MP's slipping away for Team Cameron.

    I presume this is a reference to Dan Hodges, long time non-fan of Ed is crap(py)?

    Then surely it is PB Hodgeses, or does Hodges not have a distinct plural form like salmon, for instance?
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Really? Are you not worried that while the Tories have just about increased spending in real terms in the NHS, in Wales where Labour run the NHS they have cut spending by 8%?

    How do you explain that?
    Cameron and Gideon have screwed local budgets for anyone who might not vote for them.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    So, if I understood Lord Ashcroft correctly, looks like UKIP have Thurrock and Thanet South. He hasn't looked at Clacton or Rochester, but we can probably give them one if not two of them. Survation puts UKIP miles clear in Boston, and level in North Thanet.

    Over 5 Seats should be odds on, not odds against.

    They are odds on in four seats (admittedly 2 are by elections, but Clacton will be 1/6 or shorter in the GE)

    Clacton 1/33
    South Thanet 4/6
    Rochester 4/5
    Boston 10/11

    I think FWIW Thurrock should be odds on as well. PP are 6/4 but Lads are still 7/4
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Greens are still idiots - Patrick Harvie is on Scottish Tv.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Harvie

    It's not spelled that way is it??
  • Hugh said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Really? Are you not worried that while the Tories have just about increased spending in real terms in the NHS, in Wales where Labour run the NHS they have cut spending by 8%?

    How do you explain that?
    Cameron and Gideon have screwed local budgets for anyone who might not vote for them.
    Utter bollocks.

    If you have a case then set it out but we both know you are talking shit.

    Explain education in Wales under Labour too please.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014
    isam said:

    So, if I understood Lord Ashcroft correctly, looks like UKIP have Thurrock and Thanet South. He hasn't looked at Clacton or Rochester, but we can probably give them one if not two of them. Survation puts UKIP miles clear in Boston, and level in North Thanet.

    Over 5 Seats should be odds on, not odds against.

    They are odds on in four seats (admittedly 2 are by elections, but Clacton will be 1/6 or shorter in the GE)

    Clacton 1/33
    South Thanet 4/6
    Rochester 4/5
    Boston 10/11

    I think FWIW Thurrock should be odds on as well. PP are 6/4 but Lads are still 7/4
    Last poll had UKIP 6 points in the lead ahead of Labour in Thurrock.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

    It is a fantastically efficient health provider with great outcomes and no matter how poor you are you can afford great healthcare.

    Wont survive 5 more years of Tory policies in a recognisable form IMO
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hugh said:

    Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.

    My instinct would be to go with no defection. Of course I don't know anything more than anyone else but I reckon we have seen the end of any MP defections at least until after the Clacton By election.
    Yeah, Kip have wrecked the Tory Conference and used it, effectively, as a PR exercise for their own Party. Job done, no need for another showstopper. Yet.
    I feel the suggestion that there might be one is enough to unsettle Cameron tmrw, but I don't think Farage will be able to resist an announcement if there is one ready to go

    It must almost feel like planning a terrorist attack
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    I know Andrew Marr is the latest in a long line of Tories in BBC political coverage, but I do like his style.

    Smile, give the interviewee enough rope. Frost Nixon technique

    Boris looked awful on Newsnight.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

    It is a fantastically efficient health provider with great outcomes and no matter how poor you are you can afford great healthcare.

    Wont survive 5 more years of Tory policies in a recognisable form IMO
    I know but it's a hospital not the Eiffel Tower.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Speedy said:

    isam said:

    So, if I understood Lord Ashcroft correctly, looks like UKIP have Thurrock and Thanet South. He hasn't looked at Clacton or Rochester, but we can probably give them one if not two of them. Survation puts UKIP miles clear in Boston, and level in North Thanet.

    Over 5 Seats should be odds on, not odds against.

    They are odds on in four seats (admittedly 2 are by elections, but Clacton will be 1/6 or shorter in the GE)

    Clacton 1/33
    South Thanet 4/6
    Rochester 4/5
    Boston 10/11

    I think FWIW Thurrock should be odds on as well. PP are 6/4 but Lads are still 7/4
    Last poll had UKIP 6 points in the lead ahead of Labour in Thurrock.
    How reliable is the Boston survey? If UKIP are 20 points clear, 10/11 is a gift


  • Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Really? Are you not worried that while the Tories have just about increased spending in real terms in the NHS, in Wales where Labour run the NHS they have cut spending by 8%?

    How do you explain that?
    It's ok to cut spending if you're Labour -because people know you don't really mean it. It's a bit like being racist is fine as long as you steer clear of UKIP.
  • Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

    It is a fantastically efficient health provider with great outcomes and no matter how poor you are you can afford great healthcare.

    Wont survive 5 more years of Tory policies in a recognisable form IMO
    Will NHS Wales survive any more Labour cuts?

    You are so blinkered it is pathetic.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

    It is a fantastically efficient health provider with great outcomes and no matter how poor you are you can afford great healthcare.

    Wont survive 5 more years of Tory policies in a recognisable form IMO
    I know but it's a hospital not the Eiffel Tower.
    The Eiffel Tower is overrated!!
  • isam said:

    Hugh said:

    Ah feck it, I'll write two threads, one if someone hasn't defected by 6am, or one if someone has defected by 6am

    And publish the one most appropriate.

    My instinct would be to go with no defection. Of course I don't know anything more than anyone else but I reckon we have seen the end of any MP defections at least until after the Clacton By election.
    Yeah, Kip have wrecked the Tory Conference and used it, effectively, as a PR exercise for their own Party. Job done, no need for another showstopper. Yet.
    I feel the suggestion that there might be one is enough to unsettle Cameron tmrw, but I don't think Farage will be able to resist an announcement if there is one ready to go

    It must almost feel like planning a terrorist attack
    If he must do it, I hope he does it afterwards, not before or during. In spite of the temptation of seeing everyone's phones lighting up and people start murmuring during Cameron's speech. It will seem very mean spirited.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited September 2014
    Hugh said:

    I know Andrew Marr is the latest in a long line of Tories in BBC political coverage, but I do like his style.

    Smile, give the interviewee enough rope. Frost Nixon technique

    Boris looked awful on Newsnight.

    It's Tuesday

  • Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

    It is a fantastically efficient health provider with great outcomes and no matter how poor you are you can afford great healthcare.

    Wont survive 5 more years of Tory policies in a recognisable form IMO
    I know but it's a hospital not the Eiffel Tower.
    The Eiffel Tower is overrated!!
    So's the NHS.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Totally editing how I feel like it now.

    Is this really the best way forward?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014
    isam said:

    Speedy said:

    isam said:

    So, if I understood Lord Ashcroft correctly, looks like UKIP have Thurrock and Thanet South. He hasn't looked at Clacton or Rochester, but we can probably give them one if not two of them. Survation puts UKIP miles clear in Boston, and level in North Thanet.

    Over 5 Seats should be odds on, not odds against.

    They are odds on in four seats (admittedly 2 are by elections, but Clacton will be 1/6 or shorter in the GE)

    Clacton 1/33
    South Thanet 4/6
    Rochester 4/5
    Boston 10/11

    I think FWIW Thurrock should be odds on as well. PP are 6/4 but Lads are still 7/4
    Last poll had UKIP 6 points in the lead ahead of Labour in Thurrock.
    How reliable is the Boston survey? If UKIP are 20 points clear, 10/11 is a gift


    Well in 2010 UKIP got 9.5% and the BNP another 5.3%, UKIP has a very strong presence in the council in Boston since 2013 and its the highest local area for UKIP in the 2014 euro's with 52%.
    Also the local Tory MP Mark Simmonds is unpopular, the local conservatives were complaining about him a lot and he is stepping down, they still haven't selected a candidate.

    Effectively Boston is earmarked as a UKIP gain since the 2013 locals.
    The survation poll is no surprise to me.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    The NHS is not a hospital - and the Eiffel Tower is in Paris.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The Asian tory on Newsnight sounds more extreme than Nick Griffin!!

    Send British people encouraging extremism back to the country their parents came from?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Floater said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to that Labour conference bounce?

    Ed
    First Officer: Steiner.

    Second Officer: Steiner forgot to mention the deficit.
    According to Labour spin bot on here the deficit doesn't matter.

    borrow baby borrow (until the IMF arrive)
    How is deficit reduction going?
    Labour's cheerleader on here says who cares about the deficit, which could be a worry for your beloved NHS.
    The deficit reduction is miles off Plan A and now well behind Plan B though isnt it.

    The biggest worry for my beloved NHS is another Tory Government IMO
    Why is the NHS a national monument to be celebrated ect ect?
    I can't understand, a hospital is a hospital, not mt.Rushmore or Christmas.

    It is a fantastically efficient health provider with great outcomes and no matter how poor you are you can afford great healthcare.

    Wont survive 5 more years of Tory policies in a recognisable form IMO
    I know but it's a hospital not the Eiffel Tower.
    The Eiffel Tower is overrated!!
    The Eiffel Tower is a better tourist attraction than an NHS hospital.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited September 2014
    CDC in Atlanta is currently in the middle of a press conference announcing the thing everyone has dreaded - a passenger on a flight from Liberia, who arrived on Sep 20, was admitted to hospital on the 28th with Ebola. He is in Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas TX.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    isam said:

    The Asian tory on Newsnight sounds more extreme than Nick Griffin!!

    Send British people encouraging extremism back to the country their parents came from?

    Evan has just started in Scottish mean time...
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