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Exclusive: A cub scout leader confronted terrorists just seconds after they had beheaded a soldier asking them to hand over their weapons and warning them: "It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html
“Being a cub leader I have my first aid so when I saw this guy on the floor I thought it was an accident then I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.
“And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher’s tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said 'move off the body’.
“So I thought 'OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said 'what do you want?’
EDIT
Wrong day. It was Tuesday's!
Edit: I think we should be aware that there are two people in custody so its possible the origin suggestions both correct.
Anyway Sean, what do you expect. Such people live in a country who's culture they profess to hate, think its quite fair to kill and basically refuse to be part of this society, its rules and norms.
Back that up with a general feeling the the political and legal classes spend far too much time talking out of two holes about these issues and seemingly not doing much, at some point the natives should get pissed off.
Whether they truly will we wait to see.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/harry-cooper/ukip-a-vote-on-europe-will-not-stop-them_b_3290740.html
With this, all you need is a car and knives (was their gun actually fired?).
What is more, it is much harder for the security services to intercept this sort of act before it happens. The bastards do not need to work out how to make bombs, or to get the equipment. It can be launched at virtually any time.
Horrific, and terrorism in every possible way.
Some sick bastards performed this act. They will be supported by a few in their community; these are the people we should be focussing any anger on. As an aside, I guess that many more in that community will abhor the act.
But blaming multiculturalism as a whole will potentially lead to a hatred of far wider community(ies) that can only be harmful and further divide us as a society, rather than join us.
I hope they get official recognition, beyond the satisfaction of knowing that on a day of evil they did something good.
AliBunkallSKY Alistair Bunkall 11m
More EDL. Some now in balaclavas: pic.twitter.com/bymMAbP60p
https://twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/337316405781356546/photo/1
The apparent; lack of planning and action cell network is a problem as every extra body in there is a possible link break but equally the amateurishness has its plusses from the intelligence side. Their OPSEC often stinks.
The bigger worry is not the mode of the attack, but any lack of previous history trace. Whilst there will be much pain about whether more could be surmised and predicted if the names in the frame have been on databases, a complete no previous history is the most worrying aspect of any such terror incident.
1. There are some genuinely incredible people in the world, more than you would think.
2. These men seem seriously close to dafties, disarmed by ordinary decency and without much of a plan.
3. Do we really want to live in a country where it is "unacceptable" that armed police can only be there in 20 minutes?
4. Cameron does this sort of stuff rather well.
5. Should a couple of dafties really be bringing cabinet government to a halt? Maybe just a tad of an over reaction here?
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/muslim-immigrants-riot-in-stockholm/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=muslim-immigrants-riot-in-stockholm
That can't be done with this sort of incident.
The Stephen Timms' incident is a worrying precedent, and I'm not sure that we'll look back and say enough heed was taken of it. But then what else could have been done?
This seems to be a straightforward and small-scale, though horrific, matter for the police. Unless there is something much bigger going on, I really don't see why the nation should be in convulsions and so much publicity given to the perpetrators.
I also agree with Cyclefree on the amazing bravery and calmness of the women who engaged with the killers. Superb.
Yer more banging on about Europe from the incompetent fop.
People tend to notice when you're chicken and appease those who can never be appeased.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/22/-edl-clash-with-police-in-woolwich_n_3322127.html?utm_hp_ref=uk?ncid=GEP
@cyclefree: I remember that, but can't recall how they got caught before the event.
Never underestimate the power of a stern mother.
Or not.
Nick Clegg will spend the last 18 months of the coalition distancing himself from David Cameron as he tries to give the Liberal Democrats a distinct pitch for the next election.
The Deputy Prime Minister bound his party to the Tories yesterday until the bitter end of this parliament, insisting that they would not quit government before May 2015.
I think the 13/8 on ukip getting between 10-20% is even better value today than yesterday on the back of this filth
There you go
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/matthew-dancona-david-cameron-knows-what-hes-about--its-his-party-thats-baffled-8627075.html
The much greater question facing the Prime Minister is whether he can corral his own tribe — which is starting to look less like a political movement and more like a suicide cult. Lest we forget: a party is primarily an organisation for the disciplined acquisition of power
Wow - I wish I'd come up with that phrase.
Say what you mean!
"The trouble is that, in addition to its primary power-seeking role, a modern political party is also a stockade, a refuge from reality, and a social setting where what anthropologists call “magical thinking” is rampant. In an astonishing linguistic land grab, the Tory Right is now borrowing the language of victimhood honed by the Left in the Seventies and Eighties."
Not that it reminded me of any posters on PB or anything.
Certainly the Shoe Bomber who has made travelling through airports so miserable was poor, but the 7/7 Bombers were reasonably well educated and one was a Primary School teacher. the 9/11 Bombers were university students. Osama Bin Laden came from a wealthy family who were millionaires because of their construction business. It was not poverty that was their common motivating factor.
Mark Durie has some interesting sources for the phrases that the killer used:
http://markdurie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-woolwich-killing-we-must-fight-them.html
Any group of fools, knaves or jolly fellows can set up a talking or moaning shop, but if you actually want to achieve something you need discipline so as to acquire power as a means to the end of that achievement.
Labour seems to have learned this lesson well; even the LibDems are showing signs of having learnt it. Many Conservatives seem to have forgotten it.
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donate/
Just reported on Fox news - Fox newslady says " I dont want to see these people I wish they would just be killed ".
I think it will help ukip in the polls as this is another example of 2nd or 3rd gen immigrants turning against the uk in the name of Allah.
Of course it isn't representative of immigrants as a whole it probably less than 0.2%.... But thats the same % as are directly affected by gay marriage, and look at he publicity that got
pic.twitter.com/kR27yzjG0K
But its more than just an isolated criminal incident. The government need to stop any other radical Muslims out there who may be tempted to follow in the footsteps of these two (remember 7/7 was followed within a couple of weeks by a failed attack). They also need to contain and positively divert the anger felt by EDL and BNP types and they need to ensure that the thuggish element who started the riots a couple of years ago don't reform because they spot an opportunity to take advantage of police distraction. Quite alot of government action needed.
Its possible the guards are MOD police rather than squaddies wielding assault rifles, which sometimes arent loaded up anyway.
1) Known to the security services
or
2) Unknown to the security services
Your contributions are precisely what I expected as are the others piling in with such barely disguised glee.
Oh bore off your mate tim was rather worst till he had a lie down for an hour or two
I am a little surprised that we don't yet know the name of the victim. Still, whoever he is I will remember him and his family in my prayers.
An 'Englishman' has decapitated a British soldier in the name of Allah and you think it is 'trying to make political capital' out of it to mention it would do a party that is anti multiculturalism a boost?
Bore off about Scotland
The word is "unspoofable".
You've probably misread this as badly as you did the Farage in Scotland incident where you thought it was all over for ukip, but really turned out to be the biggest boost they'd had so far you non betting soothsayer you
Misreading here!
The word is "uninteresting"
You and your chums are doing a marvellously illuminating job BTW. Just not in the way you think.
Left wing wars trying to play patronising mother to foreigners like they do immigrants here
Explain to us all how Bush and the Neoconservatives are "left wing" without making us laugh.
But I alwáys get the better of you
How on earth can we develop a counter-narrative if we're so sensitive about "race" and "religion". Let me forecast there'll be 100 critical stories about UKIP candidates' lapses, with open comments in the media, to 1 critical story about a muslim, with no closed comments and there'll be 1000 jokes about UKIP on BBC comedy shows without one about any muslim. We're just too sensitive. We should be mocking these dire, humourless, bigots and dogmatists.
** Paxman reported that there were young muslims pleased by today's events .. I bet. I've certainly had one sitting in my lectures ...
Left wingers think they can empathise with everyone and look after the world with their authoritarian dogma
Hence interference in a load of countries they don't understand causing aggro at home and abroad
Save yourself the embarrassment and go to bed, I always win
If that is true you must be permanently drunk
Sorry that I always see you off, I'll let you win one soon
And on that bombshell, to bed.
I don't think we should have gone to war in Iraq or Afghanistan because it was none of our business. Interfering nanny state politics is a left wing state of mind, thinking we know best when we don't understand what we are getting into.
Every 21st Century terrorist attack in Britain has been caused by this
Carry on babbling by all means. This is most amusing.