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Germany 0-2 down to Argentina.
George Monbiot taking lefty self-loathing of England to new heights (or depths):
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/scots-independence-england-scotland
A really stupid comment under the article:
"At least people in Scotland have a choice.
I live in the north east of England and there is none for us. Nor will there ever be."
There was of course a referendum a few years ago at which a NE assembly was overwhelmingly rejected.
Roger said:
Watcher
"Labour supporters must read these threads, and laugh and laugh and laugh."
I find Cameron's unpopularity amongst the right on here very strange. I'm not a fan of Tory leaders of any sort but Cameron is more palatable than most. What's more I can't for the life of me see him losing the next election. Quite simply the middle ground has nowhere else to go and neither has the (sane) right.
It's not really that strange. Cameron pitched himself as being more to the centre, or able to appeal to the centre, than the hard Tory right. Therefore, when his popularity starts to wane and the electoral math looks difficult, that part of the party, wherein is to be found the most vocal and passionate ideological Tories, will feel that appeal to the centre is not working and they should be true to themselves, and that Cameron is not one of them.
And the middle ground will go to Labour. Why wouldn't they? Most people will not believe Tory claims that Miliband will be some radical hard left demon or some such, and with someone as weak as Cameron, even an uninspiring Miliband will not frighten many. Even if people like Cameron, he is not able to lead his party convincingly on many issues, and people know it.
Writing a blog about longevity of states. Just a ramble, really, partly because of the Scottish referendum and partly because I've nearly finished the Byzantium history. Also tied into fantasy, which often has countries lasting for enormous lengths of time (which tends not to happen very much).
It could be a "good poll" for YES with another small, or smaller gap, with NO and someone might be getting excitable.
It is fairly straightforward if the applicant claims they have got a job: it can be checked.
It is fairly straightforward if the applicant claims they are married: it can be checked.
But how do you check an applicant for religion?
He also said that there are 100 plus Americans fighting with ISIS.
EDITED - Not a new poll, a poll from 2013.
Men:
Indian: £16,700
White Other: £15,600
White British: £15,200
Black African: £12,300
Black Caribbean: £12,200
Chinese: £11,400
Pakistani: £9,800
Bangladeshi: £8,400
Women:
Black Caribbean: £10,800
Indian: £10,200
Chinese: £10,100
White Other: £9,000
Black African: £7,900
White British: £7,800
Bangladeshi: £3,000
Pakistani: £2,600
It needs to spell out all the powers they would devolve to Scotland - and to do so immediately. Possibly to also give the Scottish parliament a much bigger role in deciding foreign/defence policy for the UK as well. Perhaps a veto over deployment of Scottish troops, for example.
Nothing else will swing it now.
That's why the source is important, which you kindly provided, and you're also cautious yourself, which is wise.
You tell them that you believe God is dead.
If they say that Jesus loves you anyway, then they are Christian.
If they threaten beheading, then they are Muslim.
If they shrug in an understanding way, then they are Jewish.
Oh, and if they ask for a poll on it, they are OGH.
The right tone on the right issues at the right time, similarly knowing when his enemies are making mistakes so keeping quiet.
You can tell he learned from the best political strategists the UK has ever seen, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.
Holding another referendum across many parts of the north, but with real develotion of powers as a result of a yes vote would see very different results I would imagine.
That's pretty much what (most) Scots want and would have voted for, had Cameron offered it as an option on the ballot paper.
However, those numbers clearly account for unemployment, part time working etc. and give a much better view of the wages that real people live on.
" has countries lasting for enormous lengths of time (which tends not to happen very much"
That's an interesting point that I has never even crossed my mind. In Europe how many countries can claim continuous existence as a unified state with more or less the same borders for a thousand years. England certainly, but after that I am struggling. Denmark, perhaps. Maybe you could make a case for Sweden? None of the big ones certainly; France, Germany, Italy, and Spain were all much later inventions. In fact going world wide its very hard to think of more than just Japan and China (and I am not too sure about the latter).
Always the most important thing for you Socrates, eh
Read: http://t.co/1hxU88H8DQ
3) I'm not sure that will work, especially at this point - surely most people must at the least think it is possible Labour will win in 2015, if not likely. And yet support for Independence among Labour supporters is increasing even as the Tories destroy themselves.
4)Well they're not fools at least. Also, smart politics for her.
5) I hope they get the chance.
6) This still baffles me. After being kneecapped so publicly, why do people still want Cameron to remain in such a situation, especially as 'Do you want X to resign' questions usually have a majority for resignation anyway.
7) I'm sure everyone is agreement on this one. Yep.
8) That's one pessimistic view of England.
9)Maybe. They won't care.
10) Amusing, although why exactly did they decide to include these new figures?
11) Indeed. What a coup for UKIP this could end up being, and so well timed too.
12)Future Coalition? Their optimism knows no bounds. Going for a more modest goal this time though, makes sense, Is that because there is no need, legal or political, to change the voting system for locals?
13) Raising a point which just goes around and around, over and over.
14) Encouraging for Tories, if the voters were not already drifting that way.
15) No comment.
16) Tough for a human to pull off.
17) I thought it supposedly had something to do with homosexuality as well (Homosexuality for men,[81][93] but this is disputed,[88][94] and subject to geographic variations), according to the always reliable wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
19) I like the dates for the last Emperor/Usurper Romulus Augustulus. "born perhaps around 460 – died after 476, possibly alive around 500"
I'll have to remember that one.
I believe it's in our interests to do so, as both our economies and international influence would suffer if we divided these islands up.
03/09/2014 20:56
@Michael_Heaver @IsabelHardman @DanHannanMEP I wonder when ppl will realise that the Ukip vote might be about more than an EU referendum
You could work for Rotherham Council.
My reading of this has been that more of the Labour -> Kipper switchers were non-voters than the Tory -> Kipper switchers. Does this seem accurate, or is there some other possibility or information I'm missing?
Should be careful, one or two posters on political betting still put things like bets on stuff like politics!
I would be happy to still take joint monetary policy, foreign affairs and defence decisions with our fellow Britons in Scotland, as would most Scots:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26245611
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10621649/Give-Scotland-devo-max.html
BBC strike could disrupt Scottish independence referendum coverage
Management draws up contingency plans after unions vote for industrial action in protest at 400 jobs cut proposal
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/03/bbc-strike-could-disrupt-scottish-independence-referendum-coverage
PM could face calls to postpone UK election if Scots vote for independence
Pressure on Cameron to take unprecedented step amid warnings that 'constitutional meltdown' would follow yes vote
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/03/calls-to-postpone-uk-general-election-scots-independence
So possibly a lot of UKIP voters are swing voters (amongst the 5 million votes Labour lost over those years) who voted for Blair and then Cameron and have rejected both of them. Therefore it doesn't really matter which gets in but as the Coalition is the incumbent and they don't much like this government any change will do.
Sweden has been very variable - used to own much of the Baltic, lost Norway a century ago. Denmark also very variable on that timescale, was it not?
Sweden added territories and lost them again but its basic borders, ignoring the "colonies" have been very stable for a long time. Whether for the full thousand years I don't know. Ditto Denmark.
Local election results (NEV)
2011: Con 38%, Lab 37%, LD 16%
2012: Con 33%, Lab 39%, LD 15%
2013: Con 26%, Lab 29%, LD 13%, UKIP 22%
2014: Con 30%, Lab 31%, LD 11%, UKIP 18%
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP14-33/local-elections-2014
The numbers for Bangladeshi and Pakistani women are tremendously low, however. Dan Hodges asked this week why British Muslims hadn't integrated like other groups - well I think this is a big part of the answer. The vast majority of women from this background stay at home in traditional roles, get little exposure to wider British society, and bring up their kids in the culture of their country of origin. A large number of them are also first generation, given that 50% of the men marry women from the country of family origin.
I personally will I think be quite resentful against an independent Scotland. My ancestry is in part Scottish, and I'm sure that my forefathers wouldn't want their contribution to GB to be somehow lost. Generally it seems an unnecessary fuss, and really clashes with my undoubtedly English sensibilities.
The fact that the Independence debates focussed on essentially posturing, rather than real issues about what such decisions may mean for the individuals concerned (all of us) as a mass illustrates how woeful the basis of any decision which may happen in two weeks will be.
The whole thing seems wrong to me - I wouldn't favour votes for my individual organs for independence. There's something of that.
I don't suppose that the SNP will suddenly announce that they've decided to pull out of the process, but overall I think that would be the right thing. Big flag-waving and decision making stuff, but not breaking something a little quitter, but surely much more important.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-watch-founder-was-among-hecklers-at-jim-murphy-s-montrose-rally-1.548179
A government of national unity might be the only option.
twitter.com/severincarrell/status/507168128175194112
Given the lack of movement on Betfair this evening I'm starting to doubt it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697301/Nude-photos-intercepted-NSA-shared-employees-says-whistleblower-Edward-Snowden.html
"So which bits of your manifesto, Mr Miliband, are you going to push through before your Scots MPs are culled, and you lose your majority/plurality in the House?"
"Umm..."
https://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-hms-tef-gb&source=android-browser&q=i+feel+liberal+alright&gfe_rd=cr&ei=AHkHVJHUHfTH8gf7qoD4Bw
Liberals do have a track record of musical success.
Track record, geddit? Tumbleweed....
Any more stats "by ethnicity" you've got at your fingertips, Socrates?
National wage is c. £24K (btw - £30K is the London number). From memory around 60% of the population is involved in economic activity, so you'd expect the weighted average of the numbers above to be something like £14,400 which looks about right.
Garbage analysis though
A number of posters link to XKCD from time to time. XKCD is a cartoon/comic that combines insight, science and geekery to great effect.
The author, Randall, has a new book out tomorrow. It's called 'What If?', and looks quite good:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-If-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions/dp/1848549571/
(Note, I have no connection with Randall or XKCD, aside from having used the following on our wedding invites: http://xkcd.com/55/ )
Socrates can speak for himself but, if you disagree, try to engage with him rather than trying to non-so-subtly smear him.
Obviously there was Han civilisation before that, but I'm not sure that anyone united the current landmass.
I thought MPs were elected for the full term of a parliament irrespective of the constituency so unless a GE is called after indy day, there is no way of prising them out (even should the party leader wish them to). So if there is no GE then Labour MPs can stay on for the full term?
If that is a problem then extending the term for one year sorts that neatly.
Three must be a similar situation with peers.
What happened when Ireland left?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty