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edited September 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » After a day dominated by two big polls IndyRef NO is the biggest betting loser

Inevitably with only 15 days left to go before Scotland decides on partition there’s been a lot of betting activity on the referendum outcome with the money going on YES. YouGov’s 6% NO lead, down from 18% in July, has given partition campaigners real hope that what they’ve been campaigning for decades might just conceivably happen.

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Scottish Labour finally getting into gear to get its voters out for No

    Brown started a speaking tour of Scotland http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29023267

    Jim Murphy resumed his soap box campaign in Edinburgh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29019715
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Tragic news from Syria. A comres poll today had the public opposing airstrikes on ISIS after previous polls suggested support (though the question included Syria as well as Iraq). I wonder if today's tragic news will switch those figures again?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    FPT:

    Ashcroft - Clacton, general election:

    Including only positive responses:

    UKIP 48.8%
    Con 27.5%
    Lab 18.8%
    LD 2.5%
    Green 2.5%
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Socrates said:
    America. Land of the idiot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited September 2014
    New pledge signed by Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Davidson, Lamont and Rennie on more powers for Holyrood and Devomax

    twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506882670325149696/photo/1
  • HYUFD said:

    Scottish Labour finally getting into gear to get its voters out for No

    Brown started a speaking tour of Scotland http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29023267

    Jim Murphy resumed his soap box campaign in Edinburgh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29019715

    Johann Lamont, Gordon Brown and Jim Murphy?

    The Union is fucked.
  • HYUFD said:

    New pledge signed by Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Davidson, Lamont and Rennie on more powers for Holyrood and Devomax

    twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506882670325149696/photo/1

    And, right on cue, the panic kicks in.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andrew Neil presents Newsnight at 1030... Best man for the job especially on a day like today
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Todays BJESUS

    2.9.14 LAB331(333) CON261(259) LD24(34) Others24 (24) Ed is crap is PM
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    HYUFD said:

    New pledge signed by Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Davidson, Lamont and Rennie on more powers for Holyrood and Devomax

    twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506882670325149696/photo/1

    No details on the bulk of the promises, followed by a line about "retaining full representation in Westminster." They can't guarantee that, and nor should they.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited September 2014
    SD Gordon Brown won over 40% of the vote in Scotland in 2010 and got the UK's only swing to Labour, at least Murphy is on his soapbox, have yet to see anyone from Yes follow him
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    2.9.14 LAB 331 (333) CON 261(259) LD 34(34) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
    Last weeks BJESUS in brackets
    BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing)
    Using current polling adjusted for 246 days left to go factor and using UKPR standard swingometer
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    SD In 1980 Trudeau did the same and it helped seal the deal for No in Quebec
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    HYUFD said:

    New pledge signed by Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Davidson, Lamont and Rennie on more powers for Holyrood and Devomax

    twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506882670325149696/photo/1

    Did anyone else hear Forsyth at 5pm tonight. Arrogant and unpleasant. Furthermore, according to him the polls are wrong. Many people daren’t tell a pollster (not a canvasser) that they’re voting No.
    Shaders of Romney’s people!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529
    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    It's federalism on the cards.

    No bad thing.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    TGOHF said:

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
    It's sort of odd Ed hiding as far as possible from the Indyref.

    If it's yes Ed should go, not Cameron, since his chaps failed to deliver the vote.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TGOHF said:

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
    Yes makes no difference to Scottish MPs at GE2015 as Scotland not independent till at least 2016
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    The closing gap in opinion polls was very predictable as the date drew closer.

    No will win by a wide margin.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698

    TGOHF said:

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
    It's sort of odd Ed hiding as far as possible from the Indyref.

    If it's yes Ed should go, not Cameron, since his chaps failed to deliver the vote.
    Ed is quite sensibly staying out of it and trusting to his loyal and capable North British team!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
    Yes makes no difference to Scottish MPs at GE2015 as Scotland not independent till at least 2016
    Ed is PM for 10 months ? Worse than Gordon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Monkeys I think the fact all 3 party leaders have made the promise will have an impact
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    Itajai said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Itajai said:

    Wonder when the US will start asking for visas from UK/European nationals again?

    It will focus the minds of the Florida-loving classes in any case.

    Or will they merely ask this of those with Middle Eastern/Muslim names. To howls of outrage of course.

    Would you like to put some money on that?

    I say £1,000 says that the ESTA (no visa for UK) system stays for the next five years.

    You are right of course. Rights will always trump security.
    One would hope so.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    OKC Not really, he had some sensible points about the poorly run BBC debate and how silent Tories helped win it for Major in 1992 including gaining a surprise extra Tory seat in Scotland
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    SeanF English votes for English laws the best way forward
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    HYUFD said:

    Monkeys I think the fact all 3 party leaders have made the promise will have an impact

    They're not party leaders at Westminster. They can't promise "full representation" there.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    edited September 2014
    HYUFD said:

    OKC Not really, he had some sensible points about the poorly run BBC debate and how silent Tories helped win it for Major in 1992 including gaining a surprise extra Tory seat in Scotland

    While I take your point I think polling techniques have moved on since then.
    At least that’s what several people here have said.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    TGOHF said:

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
    It's sort of odd Ed hiding as far as possible from the Indyref.

    If it's yes Ed should go, not Cameron, since his chaps failed to deliver the vote.
    Ed is quite sensibly staying out of it and trusting to his loyal and capable North British team!

    TGOHF said:

    Yesterdays polls

    YG LAB 328 CON 279 LD 16 Other 27 Ed is crap is PM

    ComRes LAB 365 CON 225 LD 32 Other 28 EICIPM

    YG no PM Ed if YES wins..
    It's sort of odd Ed hiding as far as possible from the Indyref.

    If it's yes Ed should go, not Cameron, since his chaps failed to deliver the vote.
    Ed is quite sensibly staying out of it and trusting to his loyal and capable North British team!
    for someone who has more to lose than cameron that's a "brave" approach
  • Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    Don't you know that:

    Scottish nationalism is good
    Welsh nationalism is good
    Irish nationalism is good

    and

    English nationalism is bad

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    Wouldn't it be better to remove powers from politicians rather than give them new ones?

    To quote the great PJ O'Rourke: Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    Don't you know that:

    Scottish nationalism is good
    Welsh nationalism is good
    Irish nationalism is good

    and

    English nationalism is bad

    Richard as Jack Straw ointed out you English tend towards dreadful violence,

    unlike us Irish of course.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    FPT or so, from Mr Nabavi:
    My entire position is based on a cool assessment of the reality. UKIP is helping Labour and may well put Ed Miliband into No 10. That's great if you share Ed Miliband's worldview, but I don't, and nor do those who support UKIP.

    The argument which is put forward by the Kippers (apparently sincerely, at least in some cases) is that this is a price worth paying because a few years of Miliband will cause the Conservative Party to collapse and merge with UKIP, and this new coalition (which used to be called the 'Conservative Party' when Hague and IDS ran it) will triumphantly storm to victory, perhaps as early as 2020. The very best you can say about that is that it is unbelievably high-risk as a strategy. A more realistic assessment is that it is cloud-cuckoo-land, which will lead to a decade or more of disunity and a disastrous Labour government which we won't be able to shift, even though it will be very unpopular.

    It's not as though we haven't seen the same thing before on the other side of the electoral divide, with the SDP. So you can't say I'm scaremongering on no evidence. I am speaking from experience (happy experience in the case of the SDP, of course).
    Yup in spades.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    TGOHF No, according to yougov Labour leads by 4 points in London, 2 points in the Midlands and Wales and 23 points in the North. Indeed in Scotland Labour only leads the Tories by 10 points, while in the South the Tories lead Labour, but by only 9 points
    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/frletj5cgx/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-140829.pdf

    Scotland or no Scotland at the moment Ed is PM!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes)
    02/09/2014 20:03
    Tory MPs say they were "astonished" neither Cameron or Crosby raised Clacton in their prepared remarks at the 1922. Only raised in q and a
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I really miss his HardTalk/StraightTalk whatever long form intv.

    There's nothing like it on TV today. Brian Waldon remains my yardstick. John Humphres On The Record was also excellent. How long ago that was.
    isam said:

    Andrew Neil presents Newsnight at 1030... Best man for the job especially on a day like today

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    isam said:

    Sam Coates Times (@SamCoatesTimes)
    02/09/2014 20:03
    Tory MPs say they were "astonished" neither Cameron or Crosby raised Clacton in their prepared remarks at the 1922. Only raised in q and a

    Ignore it and perhaps it will go away! Mind, having Carswell as an Opposition MP doesn’t change things much!
  • Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    You would still have the Westminster and London problem for those of us in the regions.The great wen's influence is pernicious across the rest of England so I would suggest a regionally based structure with powers devolved from London to the English regions.
  • SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Aix la Chapelle = Aachen
  • Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    You would still have the Westminster and London problem for those of us in the regions.The great wen's influence is pernicious across the rest of England so I would suggest a regionally based structure with powers devolved from London to the English regions.
    Or just move either the English or British government out of London.

    If you look at the big English speaking countries the national capital is rarely the largest city:

    Washington
    Ottowa
    Canberra
    Wellington
    Pretoria

    And for that matter Edinburgh.

    I've read that Liverpool was in the Victorian era suggested as the best place for the British capital being pretty much centrally placed in the British Isles.

    Which would have pleased RodC.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698

    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Aix la Chapelle = Aachen
    Herz Mountains?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    HYUFD said:

    TGOHF No, according to yougov Labour leads by 4 points in London, 2 points in the Midlands and Wales and 23 points in the North. Indeed in Scotland Labour only leads the Tories by 10 points, while in the South the Tories lead Labour, but by only 9 points
    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/frletj5cgx/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-140829.pdf

    Scotland or no Scotland at the moment Ed is PM!

    Amazed nobody has done a rUk calculus.
  • Are bookies having a change of heart about the Scottish independence referendum?

    Keep watching the betting market over the next couple of weeks, as they are more likely to get it right than anyone else. The next few days should show if this trend continues. And keep a close eye on whether the Yes odds narrow beyond the 3/1 barrier or settle at that figure. As betting experts will know, that 3/1 level is often seen as decisive in determining whether a two-horse race is too close to call or has a clear favourite – I’ll update the latest odds daily at this link.

    http://theconversation.com/are-bookies-having-a-change-of-heart-about-the-scottish-independence-referendum-31147?utm_content=bufferacff9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Are bookies having a change of heart about the Scottish independence referendum?

    Keep watching the betting market over the next couple of weeks, as they are more likely to get it right than anyone else. The next few days should show if this trend continues. And keep a close eye on whether the Yes odds narrow beyond the 3/1 barrier or settle at that figure. As betting experts will know, that 3/1 level is often seen as decisive in determining whether a two-horse race is too close to call or has a clear favourite – I’ll update the latest odds daily at this link.

    http://theconversation.com/are-bookies-having-a-change-of-heart-about-the-scottish-independence-referendum-31147?utm_content=bufferacff9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    3.9 on bet fair now..
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Aix la Chapelle = Aachen

    You could look for Neanderthals in the Harz mountains.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    TGOHF Would be a good idea, but on those numbers Miliband has a clear majority in England, let alone with Wales too
  • SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Stop thinking of the nice parts, go visit some "shitholes" and you'll get a wider knowledge of a country than pretty scenery and posh restaurants provide.

    Try the Essen-Gelsenkirchen-Bochum area or the drabest parts of the Mecklenberg coast.


  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited September 2014

    Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    You would still have the Westminster and London problem for those of us in the regions.The great wen's influence is pernicious across the rest of England so I would suggest a regionally based structure with powers devolved from London to the English regions.
    Or just move either the English or British government out of London.

    If you look at the big English speaking countries the national capital is rarely the largest city:

    Washington
    Ottowa
    Canberra
    Wellington
    Pretoria

    And for that matter Edinburgh.

    I've read that Liverpool was in the Victorian era suggested as the best place for the British capital being pretty much centrally placed in the British Isles.

    Which would have pleased RodC.
    Well, it is the only other English city that could have credibly stepped up to the plate.

    Nowadays, it has to make do with being the capital of itself...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Monkeys But Cameron, Miliband and Clegg have also signed the pledge, and they are party leaders at Westminster
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    OKC We will see on referendum day
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited September 2014
    AnotherRichard Yes, France, the UK, Russia and Japan are exceptions in having by far their largest city also as their capital
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Anyone watching the STV debate tonight ? Wee Dougie doing surprisingly well - well he exceeded my expectations.
  • TGOHF said:

    Are bookies having a change of heart about the Scottish independence referendum?

    Keep watching the betting market over the next couple of weeks, as they are more likely to get it right than anyone else. The next few days should show if this trend continues. And keep a close eye on whether the Yes odds narrow beyond the 3/1 barrier or settle at that figure. As betting experts will know, that 3/1 level is often seen as decisive in determining whether a two-horse race is too close to call or has a clear favourite – I’ll update the latest odds daily at this link.

    http://theconversation.com/are-bookies-having-a-change-of-heart-about-the-scottish-independence-referendum-31147?utm_content=bufferacff9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    3.9 on bet fair now..
    Indeed.

    And at the £1000 stake level it is just 3.55 (5/2).
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Regensburg's quaint. About three hours to Salzburg too (Austria I know). Or maybe Ulm/Augsburg. Thinks Ulm's cathedral was world's tallest building till some implausibly late date in nineteenth century ( need to check that).
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Plato said:

    FPT or so, from Mr Nabavi:

    My entire position is based on a cool assessment of the reality. UKIP is helping Labour and may well put Ed Miliband into No 10. That's great if you share Ed Miliband's worldview, but I don't, and nor do those who support UKIP.

    The argument which is put forward by the Kippers (apparently sincerely, at least in some cases) is that this is a price worth paying because a few years of Miliband will cause the Conservative Party to collapse and merge with UKIP, and this new coalition (which used to be called the 'Conservative Party' when Hague and IDS ran it) will triumphantly storm to victory, perhaps as early as 2020. The very best you can say about that is that it is unbelievably high-risk as a strategy. A more realistic assessment is that it is cloud-cuckoo-land, which will lead to a decade or more of disunity and a disastrous Labour government which we won't be able to shift, even though it will be very unpopular.

    It's not as though we haven't seen the same thing before on the other side of the electoral divide, with the SDP. So you can't say I'm scaremongering on no evidence. I am speaking from experience (happy experience in the case of the SDP, of course).
    Yup in spades.

    Nope in spades.

    btw I'm a floating voter and love telly, ooh look a cat dancing!



    Easy this innit?
  • SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Take a trip through the Black Forest to the Rhine Falls - that would be my advice.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    edited September 2014
    HYUFD said:

    AnotherRichard Yes, France, the UK, Russia and Japan are exceptions in having by far their largest city also as their capital

    The Irish Republic? Belguim? Any of the Scandinavian countries. Going further afield, Thailand? Argentina?

    I really should get out more!

    And I think the original question was about English speaking countries. Which rules out all but the Irish Republic!
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Mr. T, in your shoes I would load up the hire car with tissues and then head off to do the old battlefields, through the Ardennes and into Belgium. You get both worlds wars, it will be good for the soul (even if you have been before), and enough material to keep you blogging for a couple of years.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited September 2014
    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Romantische Strasse.

    Start in Frankfurt and work your way down to Fuessen and mad Ludwigs castles.

    Take in Wurzburg, Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Dinkelsbuehl, Augsburg Munich and then the Bavarian Alps with loads of fun countryside and rivers.

    Or do the Alpenstrasse start in Salzburg, take in Berchtesgaden for the Hitlerana, Koenigsee. more mad Ludwigs castles, Oberammergau and end up at lake Constance in Lindau. If you have time do Lake Constance and head into the Black Forest at Freiburg.

    Or border hop start in the Pfalz and criss cross the Rhine taking in Alsace and Baden.

    Laugh yourself silly at Haguenau where the french pretend the Maginot line was a great success, enjoy Baden Baden and don't miss the spa ( Friedrichsthermen if you lie au naturel , Caracalla if you just like a hot spa ), take in the wine villages either side, France Riquwihr and Kaysersberg, Germany down by the Kaiserstuhl. Strassburg, Kolmar, Freiburg and Basel are the big towns but touring the countryside ( Black Forest and Vosges ) you'll find a lot of interplay along Europe's lingusitic border, from the Kaiser's Palace in Haut Koenigsbourg in France to snails being the regional delicacy in Baden

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Stop thinking of the nice parts, go visit some "shitholes" and you'll get a wider knowledge of a country than pretty scenery and posh restaurants provide.

    Try the Essen-Gelsenkirchen-Bochum area or the drabest parts of the Mecklenberg coast.


    I've been to the toilety areas of the Ruhr. Nasty. I don't need to see any more. And I'm not in the mood for a soviet coastline. I've recently been to the chavvier parts of coastal Kent and Bournemouth, which are bad enough, tho I'm sure north East Germany is worse.

    I want mountains. September sun. Old churches. Perhaps a weird nazi death shrine.
    Germany are playing Argentina in a rematch if the World Cup final in Dusseldorf on Wednesday...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    I would recommend the shores of Lake Constance. Lindau is particularly scenic and the lake boats can take you to Konstanz, Bregenz (Austria), Rorschach (Switzerland) and from Bregenz you can get to Vaduz in Liechtenstein (where presumably you keep your huge stash from the books and the blogs).

    I went in mid-September eight years ago with Mrs Stodge - delightful place but bad for the wallet and the waistline (though no doubt you can carry off the lederhosen and the Tyrolean hat with aplomb).

  • PP - Council area with highest Yes % ->

    Glasgow shortens from 14/1 to 9/1

    FAV still Dundee: 4/5
  • SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Rotherham is twinned with Offenbach am Main - so near to where you are now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offenbach_am_Main

    Maybe scope there for a 'compare and contrast' article ?

    Offenbach is also twinned with Tower Hamlets - what a joyous view of British local government those Germans must have.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    SeanT said:


    ...I want mountains. September sun. Old churches. Perhaps a weird nazi death shrine.

    Krakow. (Admittedly it's not exactly close to Frankfurt but has all 4 of those.)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561
    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    I'd head south to Switzerland, of course. Stay a night or two at the 3 Kings Basel where I was able to afford one night of my honeymoon:

    http://www.lestroisrois.com/Grand-Hotel-Les-Trois-Rois.377+M5e34df5a01a.0.html

    eat at the old guildhalls, then head for Luzern, take a late summer paddlesteamer ride, glance up at the mountains above the crystalline lakes, then head on to Lugano and find palm trees mingling with Swiss culture, maybe staying at http://www.splendide.ch/ .
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    Rotherham is twinned with Offenbach am Main - so near to where you are now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offenbach_am_Main

    Maybe scope there for a 'compare and contrast' article ?

    Offenbach is also twinned with Tower Hamlets - what a joyous view of British local government those Germans must have.
    Jesus we must have it in for the Offenbach exchange students
  • FPT @HurstLlama re: Trident

    I'm not saying its scrapping would solve all our problems, but I am saying we cannot afford its replacement. I believe Trident to be detectable to enemies, and inoperable without American consent. Therefore at best it is an expensive bauble of a premier league state (which we aren't any more), and at worst it is an American asset that we pay for, but that contrary to keeping us safe, actively places us in danger.

    I believe that retaining a tactical nuclear capability (warheads of different yields) is probably the most sensible solution (and a much more real deterrent), but if that isn't an option, we should just go non nuke.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    stodge said:

    SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    I would recommend the shores of Lake Constance. Lindau is particularly scenic and the lake boats can take you to Konstanz, Bregenz (Austria), Rorschach (Switzerland) and from Bregenz you can get to Vaduz in Liechtenstein (where presumably you keep your huge stash from the books and the blogs).

    I went in mid-September eight years ago with Mrs Stodge - delightful place but bad for the wallet and the waistline (though no doubt you can carry off the lederhosen and the Tyrolean hat with aplomb).

    Lot to be said for Konstanz.
    The Schleswig-Holstein coast is also to be recommended.

    I belive Heligoland is worth a visit. It’s on the bucket list, but I fear it won’t reach the top!
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    or Rugen island

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rügen

    (same reason)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited September 2014
    OKC Antwerp has about half the population of Brussels, I think London has almost 4 times the population of Birmingham. You may have a point about Ireland, Scandinavia, Argentina and Thailand though Belfast is over half the population of Dublin and Gothenburg about half the population of Stockholm
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2014
    Plato said:

    FPT or so, from Mr Nabavi:

    My entire position is based on a cool assessment of the reality. UKIP is helping Labour and may well put Ed Miliband into No 10. That's great if you share Ed Miliband's worldview, but I don't, and nor do those who support UKIP.

    The argument which is put forward by the Kippers (apparently sincerely, at least in some cases) is that this is a price worth paying because a few years of Miliband will cause the Conservative Party to collapse and merge with UKIP, and this new coalition (which used to be called the 'Conservative Party' when Hague and IDS ran it) will triumphantly storm to victory, perhaps as early as 2020. The very best you can say about that is that it is unbelievably high-risk as a strategy. A more realistic assessment is that it is cloud-cuckoo-land, which will lead to a decade or more of disunity and a disastrous Labour government which we won't be able to shift, even though it will be very unpopular.

    It's not as though we haven't seen the same thing before on the other side of the electoral divide, with the SDP. So you can't say I'm scaremongering on no evidence. I am speaking from experience (happy experience in the case of the SDP, of course).
    Yup in spades.

    I think those UKIP supporters need to have a rethink. Why would they want to merge themselves with a party that has been incapable of defeating Labour decisively for nearly a generation and who show no signs of reversing that situation, whose brand is trashed possibly irrevocably, who repeatedly demonstrates how ill-disciplined, divided and dysfunctional it is, who are virtually dead in much of Scotland and large parts of urban Britain and who by offering a Coalition with the Libdems facilitated the destruction of that party as a serious force in British politics for the foreseeable future. It doesn't make sense. If UKIP continue to grow then any relationship with the Tories would likely be damaging.

    Part of the reason UKIP exists is because the Tories have failed to oppose Labour adequately. If anything UKIP would be wise not to consider mergers and if the Tories do collapse then look to fill the void created. Whatever they do though they should remain distinct because all the evidence suggests the Tory brand is toxic and it taints other parties it works with.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    Plato said:

    FPT or so, from Mr Nabavi:

    My entire position is based on a cool assessment of the reality. UKIP is helping Labour and may well put Ed Miliband into No 10. That's great if you share Ed Miliband's worldview, but I don't, and nor do those who support UKIP.

    The argument which is put forward by the Kippers (apparently sincerely, at least in some cases) is that this is a price worth paying because a few years of Miliband will cause the Conservative Party to collapse and merge with UKIP, and this new coalition (which used to be called the 'Conservative Party' when Hague and IDS ran it) will triumphantly storm to victory, perhaps as early as 2020. The very best you can say about that is that it is unbelievably high-risk as a strategy. A more realistic assessment is that it is cloud-cuckoo-land, which will lead to a decade or more of disunity and a disastrous Labour government which we won't be able to shift, even though it will be very unpopular.

    It's not as though we haven't seen the same thing before on the other side of the electoral divide, with the SDP. So you can't say I'm scaremongering on no evidence. I am speaking from experience (happy experience in the case of the SDP, of course).
    Yup in spades.
    I think those UKIP supporters need to have a rethink. Why would they want to merge themselves with a party that has been incapable of defeating Labour decisively for nearly a generation and who show no signs of reversing that situation, whose brand is trashed possibly irrevocably, who repeatedly demonstrates how ill-disciplined, divided and dysfunctional it is, who are virtually dead in much of Scotland and large parts of urban Britain and who by offering a Coalition with the Libdems facilitated the destruction of that party as a serious force in British politics for the foreseeable future. It doesn't make sense. If UKIP continue to grow then any relationship with the Tories would likely be damaging.

    Part of the reason UKIP exists is because the Tories have failed to oppose Labour adequately. If anything UKIP would be wise not to consider mergers and if the Tories do collapse then look to fill the void created. Whatever they do though they should remain distinct because all the evidence suggest the Tory brand is toxic and it taints other parties it works with.



    They want to aim at a reverse takeover imo with a detour through Rotherham and Burnley.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:


    I've been to the toilety areas of the Ruhr. Nasty. I don't need to see any more. And I'm not in the mood for a soviet coastline. I've recently been to the chavvier parts of coastal Kent and Bournemouth, which are bad enough, tho I'm sure north East Germany is worse.

    I want mountains. September sun. Old churches. Perhaps a weird nazi death shrine.

    Go and visit the damns. The Mohne is magnificent.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    Anyone watching the STV debate tonight ? Wee Dougie doing surprisingly well - well he exceeded my expectations.

    I was thinking the same thing. It is really true that all of Scottish Labours' talent headed south. A realignment in Holyrood may be one of the outcomes of this debacle.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    Oh give us a break. "Journalistic duty".

    You watched it because you wanted to, you told us you watched it to show that you can dare us to be as gritty and worldy as you.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,698
    HYUFD said:

    OKC Antwerp has about half the population of Brussels, I think London has almost 4 times the population of Birmingham. You may have a point about Ireland, Scandinavia, Argentina and Thailand though Belfast is over half the population of Dublin and Gothenburg about half the population of Stockholm

    I didn’t have you down has a Shinner!

    Belfast and Dublin are not in the same country!
  • SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118



    "The disturbing threat leaves the Prime Minister with the chilling prospect of a British national murdering another in the name of ISIS."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741169/ISIS-executioner-Jihadi-John-threatens-execute-British-hostage-beheads-second-US-journalist.html#ixzz3CBzlglQa
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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    "The picture is not that of a province or corner of the country occupied by a distinct and growing population, though that would be perilous enough. It is of the occupation, more and more intense, of key areas and, it may be added, of key functions in the heartlands of the Kingdom. The process is one of which both populations will continuously and increasingly be conscious. It is this fact which, added to all the rest, points to the prospect of eventual conflict upon a scale which cannot adequately be described by any lesser term than civil war."

    http://commonsense.websanon.com/?p=214
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited September 2014

    Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    You would still have the Westminster and London problem for those of us in the regions.The great wen's influence is pernicious across the rest of England so I would suggest a regionally based structure with powers devolved from London to the English regions.
    The English regions are ridiculously defined. What the hell does Hertfordshire have to do with Norfolk? It's got far more connection to London and far more in common with Kent. I know the area well and no-one wants an East of England assembly.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
    I'm afraid I agree with Sean on that point.

    We should kill these b*stards.

    And of course send Iran and Assad a bunch of flowers and box of choccies to apologise for being such arses with that whole "we might bomb you" thing, and ask for their help.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,935

    SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
    Except we kill the strong men in the Middle East. Saddam, Qaddafi.....

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @SeanT
    "Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them."

    People are easily killed, the hard bit is destroying "ideas"

  • On ISIS - their desperate beheadings tell me that the US air strikes are being effective.

  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Smarmeron said:

    @SeanT
    "Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them."

    People are easily killed, the hard bit is destroying "ideas"

    There is that also.

    To that end, end all trade and diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia and impose sanctions.
  • SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
    Strong men such as Assad ?

    If the Conservatives win a majority next May will they have another vote on whether to bomb him ?

  • Panic starting to kick in among the No camp. Just seen a bizarre posting on social media from a guy that I was at school with. Previously pretty quiet on the IndyRef, he is blaming "the great uneducated masses" for sinking the Union.

    Perhaps if the Union had done a better job of befriending and assisting "the great uneducated masses" it wouldn't be in the mess it is in. And not calling them "the great uneducated masses" might be a nice start.
  • Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
    I'm afraid I agree with Sean on that point.

    We should kill these b*stards.

    And of course send Iran and Assad a bunch of flowers and box of choccies to apologise for being such arses with that whole "we might bomb you" thing, and ask for their help.
    I think you may have missed the gist of my post, which was kind of advocating that.
  • HYUFD said:

    OKC Antwerp has about half the population of Brussels, I think London has almost 4 times the population of Birmingham. You may have a point about Ireland, Scandinavia, Argentina and Thailand though Belfast is over half the population of Dublin and Gothenburg about half the population of Stockholm

    7 times greater actually: London's population is 8.445m vs Birmingham's 1.224m.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    SeanT said:


    On ISIS - their desperate beheadings tell me that the US air strikes are being effective.

    Yes. I agree with that.
    They seem to behead 10 people before breakfast, anyhow, so I doubt it's made much difference...
  • SeanT said:

    Pb brainiac advice needed.

    My very pleasant Rhineland tour, courtesy Rupert Murdoch, ends on Friday. After that I might have 5 or 6 days where I could hire a car at Frankfurt and go anywhere, to do some writing and hiking and exploring.

    But where? Of all the big European countries, Germany is the one I know least. I've been here, Berlin, Aachen, cologne, Dresden, and Munich, and the Bavarian alps, But all briefly. I'd like somewhere sunny in September (so probably south) but with interesting history, and nice hotels if poss.

    The Black Forest? The weird Elbe mountains? Where? Or should I just drive on into France, Switzerland or Italy?

    Germanophiles required!

    Danke. Vielen danke..

    I would very much agree with the suggestion of Rothenburg ob der Tauber. Fantastic medieval town but probably only worth an afternoon.

    After that I would head for the Black Forest - particularly paying a visit to the horribly touristy town of Triberg mostly for a wander around the Schwarzwaldmuseum. You get a real sense of a lost world there - of a Germany before the war which has now pretty much disappeared.

    Also if you are heading south through the Black Forest towards Triberg then it is worth stopping off at Kaltenbronn nature reserve right up on top of the hills/mountains. There is a short walk up to the Kaiser Wilhelm Tower from the top of which you can look west right across the Rhine valley to the Vosges mountains and France. It is a hell of a view and for anyone interested in the troubled history of that border it is a fascinating place to go and visit.

    Can't recommend hotels I am afraid as we have always rented houses over there.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
    I'm afraid I agree with Sean on that point.

    We should kill these b*stards.

    And of course send Iran and Assad a bunch of flowers and box of choccies to apologise for being such arses with that whole "we might bomb you" thing, and ask for their help.
    I think you may have missed the gist of my post, which was kind of advocating that.
    We need to get our hands dirty too, after saying sorry and going cap in hand to Assad in Syria and Iran. Was the gist of mine!
  • Panic starting to kick in among the No camp. Just seen a bizarre posting on social media from a guy that I was at school with. Previously pretty quiet on the IndyRef, he is blaming "the great uneducated masses" for sinking the Union.

    Perhaps if the Union had done a better job of befriending and assisting "the great uneducated masses" it wouldn't be in the mess it is in. And not calling them "the great uneducated masses" might be a nice start.

    Schemes for Yes. Ya Bass

  • SeanT said:

    Hugh said:

    SeanT said:

    Ps just watched the vid of the latest ISIS beheading.

    Oddly, the better production values, and repetition, detract from the horror impact. Like the hollywoodised version of The Haunting. ISIS are losing their mojo.

    Jesus Christ. Why?

    For shock value, so you could ponce round the internet saying you had, cultivate that Fearless Journalist thing you're trying to carve out a bit more?
    Er, no. Cause I want to know the psychology of the nutters we face. The guys who want to kill is. I'm not sharing the vid. But I know I can take this shit, and I think it's my journalistic duty to observe.

    So I watched it, and, oddly, it is much less intense than the Zarqawi vids from AQII. His vids had a cinema verite quality - grainy, eerie, scary - which was much more chilling. These news ones are slick and yet less horrifying.

    And here I detect a weakness in ISIS. They secretly admire the west, they want to be Hollywood. They wear rolexes. They want to be Jack Bauer. They want to be James Bond. With daily prayers.

    Thus we learn about our enemy and thus we learn how to defeat them. And they can be defeated. But to do that we must kill most of them.
    No we mustn't. Several strong men in the Middle East must.
    Except we kill the strong men in the Middle East. Saddam, Qaddafi.....

    Only the ones that were doing something loopy (or had already done something loopy). One would also hope that lessons have been learned about the advisability of exporting democracy, namely that it doesn't necessarily equate to exporting liberal values.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited September 2014
    @Hugh
    It might have of happened if there was a non sectarian government in Iraq, but we are where we are.
    Fighting bushfires and wondering where the hell they are all coming from.
  • Socrates said:

    Sean_F said:

    If Scotland votes No, but gets extra powers, then it's only fair we establish an English Parliament with similar powers.

    You would still have the Westminster and London problem for those of us in the regions.The great wen's influence is pernicious across the rest of England so I would suggest a regionally based structure with powers devolved from London to the English regions.
    The English regions are ridiculously defined. What the hell does Hertfordshire have to do with Norfolk? It's got far more connection to London and far more in common with Kent. I know the area well and no-one wants an East of England assembly.
    Well then, redraw the boundaries. No reason why areas whose current boundaries don't fit the residents' preferences couldn't have Schleswig-Holstein type referendums to decide which region they'd prefer to be in.
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