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  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Yorkcity said:


    In any other job in the public sector , he would be on a supportive action plan to enable him to fulfil his contractual duties.

    Dave will surely be at the European Council meeting on Wednesday, a commitment you would surely expect him to fulfill whether the House was sitting or not.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Neil said:

    Jeffrey Donaldson - marriage is for everyone.

    Just not for the gays, Jeffrey!

    That's not fair. Homosexuals can get married at the present time, just not to people of the same gender. Heterosexuals can't get married to people of the same gender as well.
    Gays certainly know a deal about what's fair and what's not.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Burrowes finds the time to condemn Lammy's comments but not a peep about Howarth's.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Neil said:

    Jeffrey Donaldson - marriage is for everyone.

    Just not for the gays, Jeffrey!

    That's not fair. Homosexuals can get married at the present time, just not to people of the same gender. Heterosexuals can't get married to people of the same gender as well.
    So they can get married, just not to someone they've actually fallen in love with. That's like saying bans on mixed race marriages aren't unfair to mixed race couples.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Bone in the chamber looking like a mad Sven Goran Erikson.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    MikeK said:

    perdix said:

    NHA doesn't have a leader. UKIP does.

    Farage is a salesman, and is happy to admit to being one. If DC, EM, NC and NF were asked if they were salesman, how many would be comfortable giving the one word answer: yes? Yet nobody at the top of an organisation that depends for its success on his sales skills, can afford to be too important, or too precious, to describe themselves as a salesman.

    And the top man needs to show leadership. Only UKIP of the 4 main parties is led by someone who obviously ticks both boxes.

    Can that compensate for the absence of history, the lack of organisation, and FPTP? Almost always, the answer is no.

    But currently, all the other leaders are so uninspiring, so pedestrian, and so dull, that Farage is in with a great shout.

    When Cameron started to travel on sales missions to BRICs he was criticised for demeaning the position of PM. He said he didn't care if people called him a salesman, he would do what ever was necessary in his view.

    He's a lousy salesman and he's an even lousier PM.

    My comment was not to praise Cameron's salesmanship but to refute the comment that he would not call himself a salesman. Typical reply from someone who doesn't want to engage in factual comment and when losing the argument resorts to insults.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Bone voting against because of lack of parliamentary scrutiny.

    One wonders how many days would have convinced him to support gay marriage ??

    Hhmmm.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @JackW

    I'd say I could have convinced him over the course of a single night! ;)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Neil said:

    @JackW

    I'd say I could have convinced him over the course of a single night! ;)

    Your oral skills must be astonishing ....

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,301
    What's astonishing about Bone's suggesting that the HoL rejects the bill is his embrace of anti-democratic tactics.
  • perdix said:

    MikeK said:

    perdix said:

    NHA doesn't have a leader. UKIP does.



    When Cameron started to travel on sales missions to BRICs he was criticised for demeaning the position of PM. He said he didn't care if people called him a salesman, he would do what ever was necessary in his view.

    Point taken.

    Cameron doesn't look comfortable and fluent as a salesman---it doesn't look as though it is a part of the job he enjoys.

    A good salesman quickly establishes what is important for the individual customer he is talking to---the particular 'benefit' he values. A bad salesman concentrates on features. As long as you take people very seriously, it is a piece of cake selling when you are the PM. I think Cameron makes heavy weather of it.

  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,557
    Just looked at the entrails of today's Yougov - lowest number (28%) of 2010 LD voters now supporting Labour that I can recall.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Third reading division now.

    400/150 ish ??
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,412
    Re the Greens, they ought to be able to appeal to disillusioned left wing voters, but that's hard when
    Labour are in Opposition, and they probably have limited working class appeal.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    "Dave will surely be at the European Council meeting on Wednesday, a commitment you would surely expect him to fulfill whether the House was sitting or not."

    Yes Neil I fully expect our current PM to attend any other meeting rather than answer questions in westminster.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Result 366/161
  • I'm somewhat ashamed to admit that I didn't even know the Greens have a new leader. Does show what impact she's had though.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    AYE 366
    NO 161
  • You have got me. I was ironically reproducing the South's argument in Loving v Virginia in a modified form.
    Socrates said:

    Neil said:

    Jeffrey Donaldson - marriage is for everyone.

    Just not for the gays, Jeffrey!

    That's not fair. Homosexuals can get married at the present time, just not to people of the same gender. Heterosexuals can't get married to people of the same gender as well.
    So they can get married, just not to someone they've actually fallen in love with. That's like saying bans on mixed race marriages aren't unfair to mixed race couples.
  • Here's a gem from this new Greens leader on 1st May:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22367125

    "The Green Party will end up with more councillors in Thursday's local elections than UKIP, claims its leader."

    whoops
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I don't think he's got much of a chance. I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but the current crop of Republicans that seem to be actively running - Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz - are all southerners.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    MPs clapping! Outrageus! They should waving papers whilst shouting instead!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    JackW defeats Andrea.

    Life in the old Jacobite yet !!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    MPs clapping! Outrageus! They should waving papers whilst shouting instead!

    Ok Andrea .... which available MP are you setting your cap to ?? .... remember Hunky Dinky Dunky is spoken for !!

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    perdix said:

    MikeK said:

    perdix said:

    NHA doesn't have a leader. UKIP does.

    Farage is a salesman, and is happy to admit to being one. If DC, EM, NC and NF were asked if they were salesman, how many would be comfortable giving the one word answer: yes? Yet nobody at the top of an organisation that depends for its success on his sales skills, can afford to be too important, or too precious, to describe themselves as a salesman.

    And the top man needs to show leadership. Only UKIP of the 4 main parties is led by someone who obviously ticks both boxes.

    Can that compensate for the absence of history, the lack of organisation, and FPTP? Almost always, the answer is no.

    But currently, all the other leaders are so uninspiring, so pedestrian, and so dull, that Farage is in with a great shout.

    When Cameron started to travel on sales missions to BRICs he was criticised for demeaning the position of PM. He said he didn't care if people called him a salesman, he would do what ever was necessary in his view.

    He's a lousy salesman and he's an even lousier PM.

    My comment was not to praise Cameron's salesmanship but to refute the comment that he would not call himself a salesman. Typical reply from someone who doesn't want to engage in factual comment and when losing the argument resorts to insults.

    To call Cammo lousy at his job(s) is not an insult; it's a fact.
    And about that, there is no argument.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Hannan banging on about flat taxes just as the kippers are thinking about ditching them.

    Back to the future tories again.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,763
    tim said:

    @nicholaswatt: Tory rebels on gay marriage - 136 vote against 3rd reading of bill including cab mins Owen Paterson and David Jones

    Vote Tory and that lot hold the govt to ransom

    There aren't any rebels - it's free vote legislation. Not that the media can be expected to report facts if they get in the way of their narrative.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Slow news days always make for a boring thread; and this one is threadbare.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited May 2013
    OK, guys, 'fess up: Who has backed Louise Mensch to be next New York City Mayor at 100/1 at Ladbrokes?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,763
    Socrates said:

    tim said:

    antifrank said:

    He obviously wasn't too bothered about the church's strictures against suicide.
    Looking at his record in the Algerian related terrorist group I suspect he wasn't too bothered by "thou shalt not kill" and "All men are created equal" either.

    Since when was "all men are created equal" a church stricture? That's Thomas Jefferson. The Bible was fine with slavery.
    So was Jefferson, at least in practice.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2013
    Think Peter Hitchens is pro gay marriage now*, but here he speaks well on Cameron's reason for pushing it, and the way people who aren't pro are thought of

    * actually no, he has changed his mind on the reason for the demand for it

    http://youtu.be/5MrA8_rx1qg
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,627
    Today has, I believe, been a good day. I only wish more votes could be free votes so that MPs can vote in the best interests of their constituents and the country rather than simply how they are ordered to by the whips.

    But well done to all those MPs who did the right thing today and helped make our country that little bit better place for people to live.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Paywall

    Disposing of the public holdings in Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds should be a priority for the Government, the International Monetary Fund will say tomorrow.

    The recommendation will provide George Osborne, the Chancellor, with a much-needed ally as he prepares to try and persuade the public he should dispose of the 81 per cent stake in RBS and 39 per cent stake in Lloyds at a loss.

    In a grim assessment of the state of the British economy, the IMF report will make clear that public ownership of the banks is not in the interests of economic recovery.

    A team from the International Monetary Fund has spent a week interviewing top figures across the Treasury and the Bank of England as part of its Article IV inspection.

    Mr Osborne is braced for a tough verdict which is expected to call for him to slow down the pace of deficit reduction amid disappointing growth.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Test
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Phillip Hammond on manouvers:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22564023
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    This Maria Stubbins murder is awful. The man that killed her had already been convicted and served time for murder. Why on Earth was he ever allowed out on the streets again? Because some liberals believe rehabilitation of evil men is more important than protecting the public?
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    Test

    Boring thread is boring.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Next said:

    Test

    Boring thread is boring.
    It is hard to come up with 3 new threads a day.

    Fret not though, I have written an Ed is crap thread for Saturday.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Yet more John Majorism.
    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 4h

    Cameron admits Britain could cope outside the EU. 'Of course Britain could make her own way if we chose to do so,' he tells Total Politics.

    Banging on about Europe, the master strategy of champions. ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Interesting piece by Mary Riddell

    Yet opinion polls are consistently showing that, for all the Tory party’s agony, Labour is also leeching support.

    The soft double-digit lead that Mr Miliband once enjoyed has withered, with two recent polls putting the party on 35 points. Nor can the slender advantage over the Tories be relied on.

    As one senior figure says, if growth recovers even slightly, then the Conservatives will benefit while, in a general election, “Ukip support will flake to the Tories”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10070938/Gay-marriage-and-the-EU-pile-on-the-agony-for-the-Tories-but-Labour-is-leeching-support.html
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    That great, swashbuckling libertarian David Davis (H&H) strides as a paragon of freedom into the lobbies and votes, erm, against same-sex marriage. Do those two philisophical standpoints really compute??

    I know it is either a) crap, naive, idiotic politics from Cameron to force this bill through or b) a deliberate attempt to piss off all the true-blues in his party, but that aside, now that the bill is actually on the table, I find it difficult to understand what motivates people to vote against it.

    I just can't for the life of me - and maybe its a generational thing (I'm 35) - understand why anyone gives a toss who marries who, regardless of what sex they are.

    It just doesn't interest me at all. Not. At. All.

    ps - outside of PB, other wonky political blogs and the W'minster bubble, nobody will know anything at all about it anyway, all they'll see is the clapping in parliament and will think Cameron has done something well. It'll go down in history as a GOOD THING anyway, regardless of all the hulllabaloo...
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    Next said:

    Test

    Boring thread is boring.
    It is hard to come up with 3 new threads a day.

    Fret not though, I have written an Ed is crap thread for Saturday.
    Ed Balls, or Ed Miliband?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Next said:

    Next said:

    Test

    Boring thread is boring.
    It is hard to come up with 3 new threads a day.

    Fret not though, I have written an Ed is crap thread for Saturday.
    Ed Balls, or Ed Miliband?
    Ed Miliband.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Paywall

    Nick Clegg will chastise the Conservatives today for destabilising the Government as he attempts to quash rumours that there may be a premature end to the coalition.

    In a sign of the concern at the effect of Tory infighting, the Deputy Prime Minister will use a
    speech to “reassure” voters that the pact will last until the next election, scheduled for 2015.

    He will attack this week’s Tory “parliamentary game-playing” designed to wreck the introduction of gay marriage. The Lib Dem leader will also attack David Cameron for attempting to appease his party with a plan to enshrine an EU referendum in law.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Some senior Lib Dems fear that the Tories are trying to chisel them out of the coalition and Mr Clegg’s speech is in part an effort to pre-empt any further such talk. “There’s no conversation on our side about leaving,” one senior MP said. “The noises are coming from them.”
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,701
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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,701
    Or even loon list

    Nigel Adams (Selby & Ainsty), Adam Afriyie (Windsor), Peter Aldous (Waveney), David Amess (Southend West), Richard Bacon (Norfolk South), Guto Bebb (Aberconwy), Henry Bellingham (Norfolk North West), Sir Paul Beresford (Mole Valley), Andrew Bingham (High Peak), Nicola Blackwood (Oxford West & Abingdon), Peter Bone (Wellingborough), Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West), Julian Brazier (Canterbury), Andrew Bridgen (Leicestershire North West), Steve Brine (Winchester), Fiona Bruce (Congleton), Robert Buckland (Swindon South), Simon Burns (Chelmsford), David Burrowes (Enfield Southgate), Douglas Carswell (Clacton), Bill Cash (Stone), Rehman Chishti (Gillingham & Rainham), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), Therese Coffey (Suffolk Coastal), Geoffrey Cox (Devon West & Torridge), Stephen Crabb (Preseli Pembrokeshire), David Davies (Monmouth), Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire), Philip Davies (Shipley), David Davis (Haltemprice & Howden), Nick de Bois (Enfield North), Nadine Dorries (Bedfordshire Mid), Jackie Doyle-Price (Thurrock), Richard Drax (Dorset South), Philip Dunne (Ludlow), Charlie Elphicke (Dover), Graham Evans (Weaver Vale), Jonathan Evans (Cardiff North), David Evennett (Bexleyheath & Crayford), Dr Liam Fox (Somerset North), Mark Francois (Rayleigh & Wickford), George Freeman (Norfolk Mid), Roger Gale (Thanet North), Sir Edward Garnier (Harborough), Mark Garnier (Wyre Forest), Cheryl Gillan (Chesham & Amersham), John Glen (Salisbury), Robert Goodwill (Scarborough & Whitby), James Gray (Wiltshire North), Andrew Griffiths (Burton), Robert Halfon (Harlow), Simon Hart (Carmarthen West & Pembrokeshire South), Sir Alan Haselhurst (Saffron Walden), John Hayes (South Holland & The Deepings), Oliver Heald (Hertfordshire North East), Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne & Sheppey), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Adam Holloway (Gravesham), Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot), John Howell (Henley), Stewart Jackson (Peterborough), Gareth Johnson (Dartford), David Jones (Clwyd West), Marcus Jones (Nuneaton), Chris Kelly (Dudley South), Kwasi Kwarteng (Spelthorne), Andrea Leadsom (Northamptonshire South), Phillip Lee (Bracknell), Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford), Edward Leigh (Gainsborough), Charlotte Leslie (Bristol North West), Julian Lewis (New Forest East), Ian Liddell-Grainger (Bridgwater & Somerset West), David Lidington (Aylesbury), Peter Lilley (Hitchin & Harpenden), Jonathan Lord (Woking), Tim Loughton (Worthing East & Shoreham), Karen Lumley (Redditch), Karl McCartney (Lincoln), Stephen McPartland (Stevenage), Esther McVey (Wirral West), Anne Main (St Albans), Paul Maynard (Blackpool North & Cleveleys), Stephen Metcalfe (Basildon South & Thurrock East), Anne Milton (Guildford), Nicky Morgan (Loughborough), Anne-Marie Morris (Newton Abbot), David Morris (Morecambe & Lunesdale), James Morris (Halesowen & Rowley Regis), Bob Neill (Bromley & Chislehurst), David Nuttall (Bury North), Stephen O’Brien (Eddisbury), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Jim Paice (Cambridgeshire South East), Neil Parish (Tiverton & Honiton), Priti Patel (Witham), Owen Paterson (Shropshire North), Mark Pawsey (Rugby), Mike Penning (Hemel Hempstead), Claire Perry (Devizes), Mark Pritchard (Wrekin, The), John Redwood (Wokingham), Jacob Rees-Mogg (Somerset North East), Sir Malcolm Rifkind (Kensington), Andrew Robathan (Leicestershire South), Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury), Andrew Rosindell (Romford), David Rutley (Macclesfield), Lee Scott (Ilford North), Andrew Selous (Bedfordshire South West), Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet & Rothwell), Sir Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills), Henry Smith (Crawley), Sir John Stanley (Tonbridge & Malling), John Stevenson (Carlisle), Bob Stewart (Beckenham), Mel Stride (Devon Central), Julian Sturdy (York Outer), Robert Syms (Poole), David Tredinnick (Bosworth), Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight), Shailesh Vara (Cambridgeshire North West), Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes), Ben Wallace (Wyre & Preston North), Robert Walter (Dorset North), James Wharton (Stockton South), Heather Wheeler (Derbyshire South), Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley), John Whittingdale (Maldon), Bill Wiggin (Herefordshire North), Gavin Williamson (Staffordshire South), Rob Wilson (Reading East), Jeremy Wright (Kenilworth & Southam).
  • In a sign of the concern at the effect of Tory infighting, the Deputy Prime Minister will use a
    speech to “reassure” voters that the pact will last until the next election, scheduled for 2015.

    He will attack this week’s Tory “parliamentary game-playing” designed to wreck the introduction of gay marriage. The Lib Dem leader will also attack David Cameron for attempting to appease his party with a plan to enshrine an EU referendum in law.


    Putting aside the idea that Calamity Clegg could 'reassure' anyone of anything except perhaps his own fallability how does attacking his coalition partners assist coalition unity and 'reassure' the continuity of the pact?

    Clegg is clearly becoming as transparent and implausible in his posturing as Cameron.

    Priceless!
  • GloucesterOldSpotGloucesterOldSpot Posts: 50
    edited May 2013
    Can the good news get any better?

    Headline inflation (CPI) falls from 2.8% in March to 2.4% in April. Main driver is lower fuel and transport costs (-0.29%) but most welcome will be fall in food prices (-0.1%) which have consistently been rising at higher (4.0% +) than headline rates over the past two years.

    Those arguing (probably correctly) that falling oil prices and a high sterling value in March will not persist as an inflation suppressant should not despair. Factory gate inflation also fell from 1.9% to 1.1% on a monthly basis.

    The new CPIH Index, which is designed to measure home owner inflation, fell too, from 2.6% to 2.2%, against the fearmongering of the housing bubble Cassandras.

    All much better news than expected. Consensus was for the rate of CPI increase to fall to 2.7% (Actual 2.4%) and for Factory Gate Inflation to 1.6% (1.1%).

    All this explains the spring in Sir Merv's step and the catlike smile crossing his lips as he nears the end of his relationship with the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street.

    Economic metrics which better consensus forecasts usually indicate rapidly improving economic performance. If Sir Merv. is looking smug, the next Ballentaylor and Ballylemon baronet is purring with satisfaction. He plans to celebrate with ceilidh in No 11 tonight: couples of all sexes invited.

    Is there any area of the economy Boy George isn't getting right?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    So, Clegg's trying to quash rumours the Coalition will end by knocking the other party in it?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 16%. Tories at an equal record low since 2000. Voters don't like splits.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited May 2013
    'YouGov/Sun poll tonight: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 16%. Tories at an equal record low since 2000. Voters don't like splits.' edit sunpolitics
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    So, Clegg's trying to quash rumours the Coalition will end by knocking the other party in it?

    No, he's setting it up so when if it fails, he can shout "a posh boy broke it and ran away".
  • Can the good news get any better?

    Headline inflation (CPI) falls from 2.8% in March to 2.4% in April. Main driver is lower fuel and transport costs (-0.29%) but most welcome will be fall in food prices (-0.1%) which have consistently been rising at higher (4.0% +) than headline rates over the past two years.

    Those arguing (probably correctly) that falling oil prices and a high sterling value in March will not persist as an inflation suppressant should not despair. Factory gate inflation also fell from 1.9% to 1.1% on a monthly basis.

    The new CPIH Index, which is designed to measure home owner inflation, fell too, from 2.6% to 2.2%, against the fearmongering of the housing bubble Cassandras.

    All much better news than expected. Consensus was for the rate of CPI increase to fall to 2.7% (Actual 2.4%) and for Factory Gate Inflation to 1.6% (1.1%).

    All this explains the spring in Sir Merv's step and the catlike smile crossing his lips as he nears the end of his relationship with the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street.

    Economic metrics which better consensus forecasts usually indicate rapidly improving economic performance. If Sir Merv. is looking smug, the next Ballentaylor and Ballylemon baronet is purring with satisfaction. He plans to celebrate with ceilidh in No 11 tonight: couples of all sexes invited.

    Is there any area of the economy Boy George isn't getting right?

    Inflation is still above target. Prices are still rising faster than earnings. People have already been squeezed for far too long. Trying to make failure look like a success just makes Tories look like they are treating the electorate with contempt.
  • Rowenna has officially entered the Itchen Labour selection race. Is Avery acting as her campaign manageR?

    Rowenna to win over all itching hearts, Andrea.

  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    tim said:

    Lay Boris, if you haven't already

    Judging by the article you linked too many people have laid Boris already. Ooh err Missus'
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited May 2013

    Putting aside the idea that Calamity Clegg could 'reassure' anyone of anything except perhaps his own fallability how does attacking his coalition partners assist coalition unity and 'reassure' the continuity of the pact?

    Clegg is clearly becoming as transparent and implausible in his posturing as Cameron.

    Priceless!

    Because it's not aimed at the headless chickens on the tory backbenches or even the inept tory leadership. It's aimed at his supporters like Cammie's posturing used to be aimed at his.

    So no, it won't reassure anyone aside from those lib dems worrying about Clegg instigating an early end to the coalition.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,962
    tim said:

    Afopalypse Now

    @Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 16%. Tories at an equal record low since 2000. Voters don't like splits.

    YouGov/The Sunil:

    Tory/UKIP 43%
    Labour 38%
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2013
    First wave of Romanians arrive in the East End...



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22619312
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Interesting piece by Mary Riddell

    Yet opinion polls are consistently showing that, for all the Tory party’s agony, Labour is also leeching support.

    The soft double-digit lead that Mr Miliband once enjoyed has withered, with two recent polls putting the party on 35 points. Nor can the slender advantage over the Tories be relied on.

    As one senior figure says, if growth recovers even slightly, then the Conservatives will benefit while, in a general election, “Ukip support will flake to the Tories”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10070938/Gay-marriage-and-the-EU-pile-on-the-agony-for-the-Tories-but-Labour-is-leeching-support.html

    That's not what leeching means.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Mick_Pork said:

    Putting aside the idea that Calamity Clegg could 'reassure' anyone of anything except perhaps his own fallability how does attacking his coalition partners assist coalition unity and 'reassure' the continuity of the pact?

    Clegg is clearly becoming as transparent and implausible in his posturing as Cameron.

    Priceless!

    Because it's not aimed at the headless chickens on the tory backbenches or even the inept tory leadership. It's aimed at his supporters like Cammie's posturing used to be aimed at his.

    So no, it won't reassure anyone aside from those lib dems worrying about Clegg instigating an early end to the coalition.
    Politicians are politicking, more at eleven. Now back to our lead story about ursine catholics and papal defecation in arboreal surroundings.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,627
    Fenster said:

    That great, swashbuckling libertarian David Davis (H&H) strides as a paragon of freedom into the lobbies and votes, erm, against same-sex marriage. Do those two philisophical standpoints really compute??

    I know it is either a) crap, naive, idiotic politics from Cameron to force this bill through or b) a deliberate attempt to piss off all the true-blues in his party, but that aside, now that the bill is actually on the table, I find it difficult to understand what motivates people to vote against it.

    I just can't for the life of me - and maybe its a generational thing (I'm 35) - understand why anyone gives a toss who marries who, regardless of what sex they are.

    It just doesn't interest me at all. Not. At. All.

    ps - outside of PB, other wonky political blogs and the W'minster bubble, nobody will know anything at all about it anyway, all they'll see is the clapping in parliament and will think Cameron has done something well. It'll go down in history as a GOOD THING anyway, regardless of all the hulllabaloo...

    An idiotic and disappointing position for DD to take. The idea he can claim to be a champion of Libertarianism whilst opposing equality in this way is just laughable.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    SeanT said:

    BBC News: "So, let's take a closer look at why tornadoes form". Why? Why?? WE DON'T LIVE IN AMERICA.

    FFS.

    I agree. It's bloody ridiculous.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    At first glance

    Lab-LD voting against


    Beith, rh Sir Alan
    Birtwistle, Gordon (Burnley)
    Pugh, John (Southport)
    Teather, Sarah

    Benton, Mr Joe (Bootle)
    Clarke, rh Mr Tom (Coatbridge)
    Cooper, Rosie (West Lancashire)
    Crausby, Mr David (Bolton NE)
    Dobbin, Jim (constituency next to Rochdale)
    Donohoe, Mr Brian H. (Ayrshire Central)
    Flello, Robert (Stokr South)(
    Glindon, Mrs Mary (North Tyneside)
    Godsiff, Mr Roger (Birmingham Hall Green)
    Goggins, rh Paul (somewhere in Manchester)
    Mudie, Mr George (Leeds East)
    Murphy, rh Paul (Toarfen
    Pound, Stephen (Ealing North)
    Timms, rh Stephen (East Ham)
  • SeanT said:

    I'm drinking Domaine des Douves, 2009, Pomerol.

    Nice. Then I remembered what I paid for it. £20??

    French wines are ridiculous.

    Be careful, Sean. Your reputation might suffer.

    1. Domaine des Douves is a new brand name for Chateau Beauregard's second wine.
    2.. It is a Jancis Robinson pick.

  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    1922 committee,3 letters short of the 46 required for a leadership contest ? Rumours have been around for awhile that letters have been submitted asking for a leadership contest, but how much truth to these who knows.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,774
    New thread
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    hucks67 said:

    1922 committee,3 letters short of the 46 required for a leadership contest ? Rumours have been around for awhile that letters have been submitted asking for a leadership contest, but how much truth to these who knows.

    Summer will arrive soon and they'll all depart to Provence or a voter friendly Cornwall or wherever. Cameron's chief danger is if the Tory vote collapses (15%?) in next year's Euros and goes to UKIP ( seen as a free hit the Euros ) with a fair chunk of Labour and Lib Dems too. Then he might be toast. Labour missed a trick by not dumping Gord after the 2009 Euros, had they replaced him with Milliband D they might've hung on with Lib Dem support despite the odds. The Tory party tends to be more ruthless. Such an outcome and indeed turn of events is stiff with " ifs " this far out mind. It would, however, change the goalposts in Salmond's favour too IMO ( ie a more right wing Tory leader/UKIP pact?) as at present he needs a game changer having made a total Horlicks of the currency issue.
  • Can the good news get any better?

    Headline inflation (CPI) falls from 2.8% in March to 2.4% in April. Main driver is lower fuel and transport costs (-0.29%) but most welcome will be fall in food prices (-0.1%) which have consistently been rising at higher (4.0% +) than headline rates over the past two years.

    Those arguing (probably correctly) that falling oil prices and a high sterling value in March will not persist as an inflation suppressant should not despair. Factory gate inflation also fell from 1.9% to 1.1% on a monthly basis.

    The new CPIH Index, which is designed to measure home owner inflation, fell too, from 2.6% to 2.2%, against the fearmongering of the housing bubble Cassandras.

    All much better news than expected. Consensus was for the rate of CPI increase to fall to 2.7% (Actual 2.4%) and for Factory Gate Inflation to 1.6% (1.1%).

    All this explains the spring in Sir Merv's step and the catlike smile crossing his lips as he nears the end of his relationship with the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street.

    Economic metrics which better consensus forecasts usually indicate rapidly improving economic performance. If Sir Merv. is looking smug, the next Ballentaylor and Ballylemon baronet is purring with satisfaction. He plans to celebrate with ceilidh in No 11 tonight: couples of all sexes invited.

    Is there any area of the economy Boy George isn't getting right?

    Inflation is still above target. Prices are still rising faster than earnings. People have already been squeezed for far too long. Trying to make failure look like a success just makes Tories look like they are treating the electorate with contempt.
    Rotting kippers on Margate Sands.

    You need fresh fish.

    I recommend a good Dover Soul served au blue avec une sauce elphiquois.

    Delicious.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,543
    Carola said:

    'YouGov/Sun poll tonight: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 10%, UKIP 16%. Tories at an equal record low since 2000. Voters don't like splits.' edit sunpolitics

    As Gloucester OldSpot might say, can the good news get any better?

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Today has, I believe, been a good day. I only wish more votes could be free votes so that MPs can vote in the best interests of their constituents and the country rather than simply how they are ordered to by the whips.

    But well done to all those MPs who did the right thing today and helped make our country that little bit better place for people to live.

    Hear, hear!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,658
    Perhaps our new porcine friend could tell us the whereabouts of our old friend Avery, who has yet to report back on when we can expect a month of trade surplus.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Perhaps our new porcine friend could tell us the whereabouts of our old friend Avery, who has yet to report back on when we can expect a month of trade surplus.


    He's still doggedly running the Lansley for PM campaign. ;)
  • Robert_EveRobert_Eve Posts: 31
    I'd say UKIP is pretty mainstream now.
  • Can the good news get any better?

    Headline inflation (CPI) falls from 2.8% in March to 2.4% in April. Main driver is lower fuel and transport costs (-0.29%) but most welcome will be fall in food prices (-0.1%) which have consistently been rising at higher (4.0% +) than headline rates over the past two years.

    Those arguing (probably correctly) that falling oil prices and a high sterling value in March will not persist as an inflation suppressant should not despair. Factory gate inflation also fell from 1.9% to 1.1% on a monthly basis.

    The new CPIH Index, which is designed to measure home owner inflation, fell too, from 2.6% to 2.2%, against the fearmongering of the housing bubble Cassandras.

    All much better news than expected. Consensus was for the rate of CPI increase to fall to 2.7% (Actual 2.4%) and for Factory Gate Inflation to 1.6% (1.1%).

    All this explains the spring in Sir Merv's step and the catlike smile crossing his lips as he nears the end of his relationship with the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street.

    Economic metrics which better consensus forecasts usually indicate rapidly improving economic performance. If Sir Merv. is looking smug, the next Ballentaylor and Ballylemon baronet is purring with satisfaction. He plans to celebrate with ceilidh in No 11 tonight: couples of all sexes invited.

    Is there any area of the economy Boy George isn't getting right?

    Inflation is still above target. Prices are still rising faster than earnings. People have already been squeezed for far too long. Trying to make failure look like a success just makes Tories look like they are treating the electorate with contempt.
    Rotting kippers on Margate Sands.

    You need fresh fish.

    I recommend a good Dover Soul served au blue avec une sauce elphiquois.

    Delicious.
    Aah you mention El Phicko. Yes I read his absurd piece of hubris about the White Cliffs still being blue and all the fallacious reasons why Dover was safe. Of course what he failed to point out was that Labour gained two of the four wards outright and that UKIP didn't stand a candidate in Dover North and if they had and that candidate had done as well as the other UKIP candidates in the Dover area then Dover would probably have been highlighted as a three way marginal with 'El Phicko' being the Dover 'Soul' being served up on a platter..

    Still with both Labour and UKIP targetting Dover there's as much chance of getting fresh Kippers there as Dover Sole.


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