The Tate Modern is always good, and the top floor dining is very pleasant with a great view over London. I agree with tea at Fortnum and Mason, it is always a treat, and plenty of time to get to Hammersmith.
You really, really do have to be into modern art for the Tate Modern, though Dr Sox. It is not for the feint-hearted. I did it once and never again. I'd sooner take a cheese grater covered with oven cleaner to my ... well never mind. The restaurant does have a nice view though, the service was OK but the food was a bit lacking - a bit too trendy and pretentious, like the rest of the place.
It is one of my favourites, but I do rather like heavy engineering. There are better places to eat in London, but few with such a view.
Talking of places to eat with a stunning view, has anyone been to the Shard? That might be a wow experience for Mrs Jessop and she can always pick up some nice cheese in Borough Market afterwards. Maybe if she is into history visit Southwark Cathedral, which I have always felt doesn't get the attention it merits.
That's a good idea - I believe @SeanT enjoyed his trip
The Tate Modern is always good, and the top floor dining is very pleasant with a great view over London. I agree with tea at Fortnum and Mason, it is always a treat, and plenty of time to get to Hammersmith.
You really, really do have to be into modern art for the Tate Modern, though Dr Sox. It is not for the feint-hearted. I did it once and never again. I'd sooner take a cheese grater covered with oven cleaner to my ... well never mind. The restaurant does have a nice view though, the service was OK but the food was a bit lacking - a bit too trendy and pretentious, like the rest of the place.
It is one of my favourites, but I do rather like heavy engineering. There are better places to eat in London, but few with such a view.
Talking of places to eat with a stunning view, has anyone been to the Shard? That might be a wow experience for Mrs Jessop and she can always pick up some nice cheese in Borough Market afterwards. Maybe if she is into history visit Southwark Cathedral, which I have always felt doesn't get the attention it merits.
I went to the bottom of the Shard on Saturday, but didn't go up it, I was more interested in the re-build (ongoing) of London Bridge station. You know me
And TSE, thanks for no. 16. I told you that the War of the Spanish Succession was a fun war, as wars go. By the way, I'm sure when I was a kid I was taught a useful mnemonic* for remembering the battles of the war (Blenheim, Ramilles, Malplaquet and Oudenarde) - can anyone help?
* A bit like "Able Bodied Seamen Catch Hairy Pirates" as a way to remember Henry VI's wives (Aragon, Boleyn, Seymour, Cleeves, Howard, Parr)
Only mnemonic I remember from my school days is
Richard of York Gave Battle In Vain (or Roy G Biv) for the order of colours of the rainbow.
Many Voles Enjoy Munching Jam Sandwiches Until Nightfall
What does that stand for?
Mercury, Venus, etc.
Interesting.
Then there's always Dog: Caesar had some jam for tea, Brutus ate a rat.
Speak of the Devil and he shall appear! Good evening, Mr. Chalres, I was just thinking of you as you are probably the best man on this site who can help Mr. Jessop. His request was towards the end of the last thread, but in a nutshell he wants to take his wife for a wow afternoon, meal and somewhere to stay in London for about £500 all told, but he has to go to a concert in the evening. Can you come up with some ideas, I am sure you can.
As for things to do:
- If you like museums, I'd suggest something a little more off the beaten track than the NG or NPG; more human scale. Personally I always like the Wallace which manages to combine suits of armour with Fragonard and Boucher in an almost coherent way (www.wallacecollection.org/). Alternatively, the Courtauld has a good collection which many people miss (www.courtauld.ac.uk) - For something a bit different, you might like the Gilbert Collection at the V&A (www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/t/the-rosalinde-and-arthur-gilbert-collection) - Alternatively you could wait until January and come to see the collection of Lancashire mummies and Roman coins that we are putting on display at Temple Place ;-)
If you don't like museums so much, have you ever been on the London Eye? if the weather is good then it can be a really interesting panorama if that's your sort of thing.
Hope that helps...!
We expect a full report...
The Olympic Park in Stratford (E15, not Warks!) is very nice, and only recently re-opened to the public.
Can I just second the Wallace Collection, the best unknown gallery in London
Agree that and the Courtauld. For London history and especially the Roman bit, the London Museum is worth a visit.
Fortnums is good and is near the Royal Academy ( a good mixture) or in that area have a look in one of the private art dealers. For more window shopping walk through the Burlington Arcade and pop into Aspreys who are very amenable to visitors and Mrs JJ can cast her eye on that future anniversary present.
To stay, a boutique hotel like 54, or a room in a modern private club like Home House in Portman Square which can be arranged for non-members.
I didn't know Home House let non-members stay! Damn, I wish I'd known that, could have saved me a few bob - Mrs Llama hates my club and won't stay there. Good to know for future reference, thanks.
Andrew Neil (@afneil) 12/08/2014 23:19 That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
And TSE, thanks for no. 16. I told you that the War of the Spanish Succession was a fun war, as wars go. By the way, I'm sure when I was a kid I was taught a useful mnemonic* for remembering the battles of the war (Blenheim, Ramilles, Malplaquet and Oudenarde) - can anyone help?
* A bit like "Able Bodied Seamen Catch Hairy Pirates" as a way to remember Henry VI's wives (Aragon, Boleyn, Seymour, Cleeves, Howard, Parr)
Only mnemonic I remember from my school days is
Richard of York Gave Battle In Vain (or Roy G Biv) for the order of colours of the rainbow.
Many Voles Enjoy Munching Jam Sandwiches Until Nightfall
Can I just second the Wallace Collection, the best unknown gallery in London
Agree that and the Courtauld. For London history and especially the Roman bit, the London Museum is worth a visit.
Fortnums is good and is near the Royal Academy ( a good mixture) or in that area have a look in one of the private art dealers. For more window shopping walk through the Burlington Arcade and pop into Aspreys who are very amenable to visitors and Mrs JJ can cast her eye on that future anniversary present.
To stay, a boutique hotel like 54, or a room in a modern private club like Home House in Portman Square which can be arranged for non-members.
I didn't know Home House let non-members stay! Damn, I wish I'd known that, could have saved me a few bob - Mrs Llama hates my club and won't stay there. Good to know for future reference, thanks.
HL
you need an intro from a member - as their 'guest'.
The Tate Modern is always good, and the top floor dining is very pleasant with a great view over London. I agree with tea at Fortnum and Mason, it is always a treat, and plenty of time to get to Hammersmith.
You really, really do have to be into modern art for the Tate Modern, though Dr Sox. It is not for the feint-hearted. I did it once and never again. I'd sooner take a cheese grater covered with oven cleaner to my ... well never mind. The restaurant does have a nice view though, the service was OK but the food was a bit lacking - a bit too trendy and pretentious, like the rest of the place.
It is one of my favourites, but I do rather like heavy engineering. There are better places to eat in London, but few with such a view.
Talking of places to eat with a stunning view, has anyone been to the Shard? That might be a wow experience for Mrs Jessop and she can always pick up some nice cheese in Borough Market afterwards. Maybe if she is into history visit Southwark Cathedral, which I have always felt doesn't get the attention it merits.
That's a good idea - I believe @SeanT enjoyed his trip
A few months ago I was clearing out my study and found a whole load of notes on the Bishop of Winchester and his "Geese" in Southwark. Obviously at some stage since 2006 I'd done a lot of research with the intention of producing an article on the subject. The frightening, even terrifying, thing is I have no recollection of either doing the research or planning the article.
#12 If situations are going to arise where the govt. want to "do something" then they need to make sure in advance that the forces have the sort of equipment that can be used to construct a variety of somethings for a variety of specific situations.
Ed Miliband’s “weak leadership” and lack of clear policies is the biggest concern among swing voters ahead of the general election campaign, research has shown.
Voters are "frustrated" by Mr Miliband and have been left with “absolutely no awareness” of the “summer offensive” launched by Labour in recent weeks, according to the Conservative research seen by The Daily Telegraph.
Many of the people who took part in the research, carried out in the Midlands this month, are swing voters who voted for Labour at the last election, it is understood.
Mr Miliband “remains voters’ greatest hesitation against voting Labour”, the research found.
“Voters are increasingly emotive in their annoyance towards Miliband who is providing them with no alternative choice. He remains voters’ greatest hesitation against voting Labour.”
Ed Miliband’s “weak leadership” and lack of clear policies is the biggest concern among swing voters ahead of the general election campaign, research has shown.
Voters are "frustrated" by Mr Miliband and have been left with “absolutely no awareness” of the “summer offensive” launched by Labour in recent weeks, according to the Conservative research seen by The Daily Telegraph.
Many of the people who took part in the research, carried out in the Midlands this month, are swing voters who voted for Labour at the last election, it is understood.
Mr Miliband “remains voters’ greatest hesitation against voting Labour”, the research found.
“Voters are increasingly emotive in their annoyance towards Miliband who is providing them with no alternative choice. He remains voters’ greatest hesitation against voting Labour.”
Sometimes I wonder if pieces like that are reporting the news or creating the news...
To have staying power I generally feel such pieces need something substantive to feed the narrative onwards, but the emphasis (or not) of what facts there are and how they are displayed is very much about creating news not reporting it, particularly when it ends up being something that perfectly fits the hopes and dreams of one party or another. It is possible that actual news could fit those dreams and still be true, but it rarely seems so cut and dried.
But if you read the detail the climate enthusiasts are saying "pauses were always to be expected" possibly "20-25 years" but they "communicated" it poorly.
So warming is still on, we're not wrong, we need more money
But if you read the detail the climate enthusiasts are saying "pauses were always to be expected" possibly "20-25 years" but they "communicated" it poorly.
So warming is still on, we're not wrong, we need more money
The Sunil on Sunday's top London landmarks and attractions:
Olympic Park South Bank (Westminster to Tower Bridge) Greenwich Richmond Park Hyde Park British Museum Victoria and Albert Docklands Buckingham Palace Westminster Soane Museum St Pancras International Regent's Park Hampstead Heath Syon Park Kew Gardens Tower of London Tate Modern Oxford Street Hampton Court
Ed Miliband’s “weak leadership” and lack of clear policies is the biggest concern among swing voters ahead of the general election campaign, research has shown.
Voters are "frustrated" by Mr Miliband and have been left with “absolutely no awareness” of the “summer offensive” launched by Labour in recent weeks, according to the Conservative research seen by The Daily Telegraph.
Many of the people who took part in the research, carried out in the Midlands this month, are swing voters who voted for Labour at the last election, it is understood.
Mr Miliband “remains voters’ greatest hesitation against voting Labour”, the research found.
“Voters are increasingly emotive in their annoyance towards Miliband who is providing them with no alternative choice. He remains voters’ greatest hesitation against voting Labour.”
But if you read the detail the climate enthusiasts are saying "pauses were always to be expected" possibly "20-25 years" but they "communicated" it poorly.
So warming is still on, we're not wrong, we need more money
May 2014 was the warmest May ever recorded globally while June 2014 was the warmest June ever recorded globally (source: NOAA).
Let's just pretend global warming isn't happening...
The Sunil on Sunday's top London landmarks and attractions:
Olympic Park South Bank (Westminster to Tower Bridge) Greenwich Richmond Park Hyde Park British Museum Victoria and Albert Docklands Buckingham Palace Westminster Soane Museum St Pancras International Regent's Park Hampstead Heath Syon Park Kew Gardens Tower of London Tate Modern Oxford Street Hampton Court
I haven't been to Olympic Park yet. Did the Soane Museum last November, the candlelit version, although I nearly froze to death waiting outside for 3 hours.
@blairmcdougall: Support for #nothanks up 4 points in TNS poll taken either side of TV debate. N45(+4) Y32(n/c). Also more undecideds leaning no. #indyref
Andrew Neil (@afneil) 12/08/2014 23:19 That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
@blairmcdougall: Support for #nothanks up 4 points in TNS poll taken either side of TV debate. N45(+4) Y32(n/c). Also more undecideds leaning no. #indyref
Fieldwork before the debate, and it is a mixed picture, when looking at absolutely certain to vote the Yes share is up by (I think) 2.
Edit - I thought the fieldwork was before the date anyway. Perhaps OGH will inform us.
Andrew Neil (@afneil) 12/08/2014 23:19 That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
@blairmcdougall: Support for #nothanks up 4 points in TNS poll taken either side of TV debate. N45(+4) Y32(n/c). Also more undecideds leaning no. #indyref
Regarding this, does anyone know why it takes this long for it to be done? Seems way out of date, beyond belief really. Do they not employ a lot of staff or something?
Furthermore, any news on when the ICM polling is out this week for the Indy Ref? Cheers.
Rory McIlroy's father recently made a sizeable chunk betting his son would win the Open Championship.
As a rule I don't follow junior golf, but I've just spent the last 4 days marshalling at the US Amateur Championship at the Atlanta Athletic Club. The youngest player is 13, the oldest 53.
There is a 17 year old Englishman, now living in Florida and about to start playing his college golf as a Florida Gator, named Sam Horsfield. In both practice and the stroke play section, he has impressed me no end. I spent a few minutes speaking with his father during the round yesterday.
Maye you can make some money on him, but probably not as much as McIlroy senior.
Andrew Neil (@afneil) 12/08/2014 23:19 That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
Andrew Neil (@afneil) 12/08/2014 23:19 That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
Sad news. I wonder where he's going? Sky maybe...
*sobs into his blue nun*!
But surely he is still doing This Week and maybe even Daily Politics. He just says no more docs. I really hope he's staying around for This Week and DP.
Andrew Neil (@afneil) 12/08/2014 23:19 That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
Sad news. I wonder where he's going? Sky maybe...
*sobs into his blue nun*!
Ah, he's not quitting the day job according to twitter:
meathead @Prattman1993 55m @afneil will you still be on Daily Politics, Sunday Politics and This Week?
Diane Abbott wants the Iraq crisis to go to the UN Security Council.
Has she heard of someone called Vladimir Putin?
Why would Putin block resolutions against Isis?
Because he strongly dislikes American foreign interventions almost on principle.
He doesn't like seeing governments overthrown. He's been in power 14 years and shows no sign of wanting to step down. Deep down I suspect he knows he can only hang on using repression.
The US is putting advisors into Kurdistan. Over 100 of them. Given there is a CIA station and long term military liaison from the US military and DIA already in Kurdistan I'd say over 100 advisors is a lot, even for a war room co-ordination team.
Some of those guys are field operators from the military, not staff planners. Any CIA paramilitary attendance is unlikely to revealed.
Yes, I saw it... with St. George's Hall doubling for the umpteenth time as No. 1 Court, the Old Bailey...
I didn't know that! BTW apologies, unlike the Beeb's iPlayer looks like you need to register to watch ITV Player.
Yes, it doubled in "Let him have it, Chris", and "In the Name of the Father", among others, and in just about every TV period courtroom drama. Filming at the Bailey is not allowed, IIUC.
Dubbed "the finest building in the world" by architect Norman Shaw, it contains the former Crown court, Civil Court, ballroom and concert hall (beloved by Dickens as the "the finest hall in the world"). Also original Victorian Cells. Statues include 4 former PMs, and probably the finest Cenotaph in the country stands outside.
It was also the world's first air-conditioned building...
Can I thank everyone for their advice below: you've given me plenty to go on. Time to plan an itinerary (including a train down as I don't want to have to try to park in Central London) and cost things up.
I think the Courtauld gallery might be the place to go - she's wanted to go for years, but we've never got around to it. A gallery should also give us some flexibility with regards to time compared to some other options I was considering. But it still isn't quite *special* enough. Hmmm.
As an aside, it won't be the Tate Modern. As I've said passim, I loved the Bankside power station building, and used to stare longingly at it when I was a student. It is, to my mind, far better than Battersea before that was criminally half-demolished.
So I was overjoyed when Bankside was refurbished, even if I didn't like the glass upper floor. Unfortunately I share my dad's opinion of the contents. Shortly after the Modern opened, we went down to visit. We spent a few hours going around (with, I think, my dad secretly figuring out how he would demolish it, something he did with many buildings). Just as we were leaving, he stood in the entrance foyer and said, in the loudest voice he could muster: "Well, that was a load of cr@p."
It may house a load of cr@p, but it's certainly helped regenerate that part of the South Bank.
They were previewing that program on Radio 5 with Richard Bacon yesterday afternoon. He had Derek Bentley's niece (I think) as a guest. Whilst I firmly believe that Bentley should not have been sentenced to death, I was annoyed that they did not seem to mention that the two young men killed one police officer and severely injured a second.
True, Bentley should never have been executed, and it looks like yet another case of police corruption. But nobody doubts the two men were there, that they were armed, and that Craig (Bentley's accomplice) shot at police officers. PC Miles and Cross were whitewashed from the interview, and the only victim was Bentley.
And TSE, thanks for no. 16. I told you that the War of the Spanish Succession was a fun war, as wars go. By the way, I'm sure when I was a kid I was taught a useful mnemonic* for remembering the battles of the war (Blenheim, Ramilles, Malplaquet and Oudenarde) - can anyone help?
* A bit like "Able Bodied Seamen Catch Hairy Pirates" as a way to remember Henry VI's wives (Aragon, Boleyn, Seymour, Cleeves, Howard, Parr)
It's an old London telephone number - BROM4689 ( i.e the dates of the battle, 1704,1706,1708 and 1709).
Comments
Southwark Cathedral's ok - but the ruins of Winchester Palace next door might be more interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Palace
You could also visit the Clink (http://www.clink.co.uk/), and - I think @JJ likes boats - the Golden Hinde http://www.goldenhinde.com/
YouGov (excluding don't knows) voting Yes:
Men: 45% Women: 33%
Panelbase (excluding don't knows) voting Yes:
Men - 18-34: 59%, 35-54: 60%, 55+: 41%
Women - 16-34: 46%, 35-54: 39%, 55+: 34%
Andrew Neil (@afneil)
12/08/2014 23:19
That was my last documentary ever for BBC. So I'm glad so many people reacted so strongly to it. Thank you and goodbye.
you need an intro from a member - as their 'guest'.
O procure for me, the root of three.
Um, I helped out with watering and weeding, occasionally
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23409404
"Why has global warming stalled?"
And well done you for helping out.
Else.
P.S. Just looked up the competition. Which category did she win? Probably not the best floral display by a public house.
P.P.S. Now that you have helped her win will she still tell you off for reading PB at the dinner table?
Well, let's just say it's been a while since I used my laptop at the dinner table! Belike.
So warming is still on, we're not wrong, we need more money
And @Tom is right that Wild Honey is a very good restaraunt.
Home House is not the place it once was: too many hedge fund managers...
Goodnight all and thanks for some good conversation.
14 years of denying it had stopped at all .
Olympic Park
South Bank (Westminster to Tower Bridge)
Greenwich
Richmond Park
Hyde Park
British Museum
Victoria and Albert
Docklands
Buckingham Palace
Westminster
Soane Museum
St Pancras International
Regent's Park
Hampstead Heath
Syon Park
Kew Gardens
Tower of London
Tate Modern
Oxford Street
Hampton Court
Let's just pretend global warming isn't happening...
@blairmcdougall: Support for #nothanks up 4 points in TNS poll taken either side of TV debate. N45(+4) Y32(n/c). Also more undecideds leaning no. #indyref
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/the_dish/article1288214.ece
Edit - I thought the fieldwork was before the date anyway. Perhaps OGH will inform us.
Furthermore, any news on when the ICM polling is out this week for the Indy Ref? Cheers.
As a rule I don't follow junior golf, but I've just spent the last 4 days marshalling at the US Amateur Championship at the Atlanta Athletic Club. The youngest player is 13, the oldest 53.
There is a 17 year old Englishman, now living in Florida and about to start playing his college golf as a Florida Gator, named Sam Horsfield. In both practice and the stroke play section, he has impressed me no end. I spent a few minutes speaking with his father during the round yesterday.
Maye you can make some money on him, but probably not as much as McIlroy senior.
meathead @Prattman1993 55m
@afneil will you still be on Daily Politics, Sunday Politics and This Week?
Andrew Neil @afneil 51m
@Prattman1993 yes
The US is putting advisors into Kurdistan. Over 100 of them. Given there is a CIA station and long term military liaison from the US military and DIA already in Kurdistan I'd say over 100 advisors is a lot, even for a war room co-ordination team.
Some of those guys are field operators from the military, not staff planners. Any CIA paramilitary attendance is unlikely to revealed.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-walton-prison-saw-last-7561447
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/executed
Congrats to your mum. You must be so proud of her.
Dubbed "the finest building in the world" by architect Norman Shaw, it contains the former Crown court, Civil Court, ballroom and concert hall (beloved by Dickens as the "the finest hall in the world"). Also original Victorian Cells. Statues include 4 former PMs, and probably the finest Cenotaph in the country stands outside.
It was also the world's first air-conditioned building...
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g186337-d207708-Reviews-or10-St_George_s_Hall-Liverpool_Merseyside_England.html#REVIEWS
I think the Courtauld gallery might be the place to go - she's wanted to go for years, but we've never got around to it. A gallery should also give us some flexibility with regards to time compared to some other options I was considering. But it still isn't quite *special* enough. Hmmm.
As an aside, it won't be the Tate Modern. As I've said passim, I loved the Bankside power station building, and used to stare longingly at it when I was a student. It is, to my mind, far better than Battersea before that was criminally half-demolished.
So I was overjoyed when Bankside was refurbished, even if I didn't like the glass upper floor. Unfortunately I share my dad's opinion of the contents. Shortly after the Modern opened, we went down to visit. We spent a few hours going around (with, I think, my dad secretly figuring out how he would demolish it, something he did with many buildings). Just as we were leaving, he stood in the entrance foyer and said, in the loudest voice he could muster: "Well, that was a load of cr@p."
It may house a load of cr@p, but it's certainly helped regenerate that part of the South Bank.
True, Bentley should never have been executed, and it looks like yet another case of police corruption. But nobody doubts the two men were there, that they were armed, and that Craig (Bentley's accomplice) shot at police officers. PC Miles and Cross were whitewashed from the interview, and the only victim was Bentley.
It seemed a curious omission.