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Tim_B

First again!

kle4

Got enough Boris stories?

kle4

19. Well, it's art, of a kind.

Boris has proven a lot of people wrong over the years, but I'm not sure he has enough left in him to pull of this latest gambit. Popularity wanes eventually, and he is not liked by many, not even counting his future hurdles in the Parliamentary party.

MarkHopkins

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

TheScreamingEagles

kle4 said:

Got enough Boris stories?

The first draft had 15 Boris stories, this is the culled version.

hunchman

Nearly 24 hours later, and I still feel things are no better for Salmond. It was just staggering how unprepared he was for the Darling Plan B currency line of questioning. What else did he think Darling would cross-examine him on? Clearly something else, and it showed. But short of the economy imploding, which isn't going to happen in a big way until October 2015 now, there simply isn't a wildcard to fuel the Yes vote over 50%. From the rubble of last night, its critical that Yes cobbles together 42/43% so the issue won't go on the back burner, but really I get the feeling its a damage limitation exercise now, not what Salmond would have hoped for 6 weeks out.

Tim_B

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Easterross

Evening all and so when do we start getting the "will Boris....." threads? Which constituency must be the first one. Boris v Farage would be the ultimate contest of super-egos but sadly wont happen.

My friends of the YES persuasion are somewhat nonplussed today. They simply did not see last night coming. There is no Plan B. If rUK (and in particular George Osborne) tells Scotland to get stuffed re a currency union, the SNP will have to take that blank sheet of paper called economic future policy and start scribbling quickly.

The worry is that somewhat ironically, because Eck was seen to be thrashed by the Eyebrows last night, the victim mentality might actually help the YES camp.

TGOHF

Scotland withdrawing from Europe ?


Well football wise ...

TheScreamingEagles

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h

Just studying some new marginals polling due to be published overnight. Very different picture from other suveys

peter_from_putney

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Tim_B

Easterross said:

Evening all and so when do we start getting the "will Boris....." threads? Which constituency must be the first one. Boris v Farage would be the ultimate contest of super-egos but sadly wont happen.

My friends of the YES persuasion are somewhat nonplussed today. They simply did not see last night coming. There is no Plan B. If rUK (and in particular George Osborne) tells Scotland to get stuffed re a currency union, the SNP will have to take that blank sheet of paper called economic future policy and start scribbling quickly.

The worry is that somewhat ironically, because Eck was seen to be thrashed by the Eyebrows last night, the victim mentality might actually help the YES camp.

As a US resident. the only coverage I have seen is about the currency. There is nothing more fundamental than the currency in your pocket. Salmond clearly had no policy at all about this.

Tim_B

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Sorry for the delay in replying - I had to use an impressive number of tissues just now :-)

TheScreamingEagles

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Stuck £100 quid on Phil Hammond as next Tory leader today.

If this goes wrong, I'm blaming you (even though I initially tipped it)

Morris_Dancer

The currency issue is perplexing. It's not a peripheral matter. Very odd that there isn't a more convincing line from the Yes campaign.

I'm as amused as I am irked by this 'it's Scotland's pound' approach. Yes, it is. Because you're in the UK. You don't get to demand to be backed by the British taxpayer via the Bank of England if you choose to leave.

The 'we won't take any debts' line would infuriate the non-Scots British, given it was Scottish chancellors and financial institutions who caused the debts in the first place. Happily, No seems to be winning, but if Yes does the break-up would be seriously acrimonious.

Easterross

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 2h

Just studying some new marginals polling due to be published overnight. Very different picture from other suveys

LibDems winning everywhere Hurrah!!

peter_from_putney

Tim_B said:

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Sorry for the delay in replying - I had to use an impressive number of tissues just now :-)

Too much information!

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eagles, I think that's a sound bet.

Tim_B

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Sorry for the delay in replying - I had to use an impressive number of tissues just now :-)

Too much information!

But I feel so relaxed :-)

TheScreamingEagles

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, I think that's a sound bet.

Still available at 16/1

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eagles, with Ladbrokes?

TheScreamingEagles

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, with Ladbrokes?

Yes

kle4

Morris_Dancer said:

The currency issue is perplexing. It's not a peripheral matter. Very odd that there isn't a more convincing line from the Yes campaign.

I'm as amused as I am irked by this 'it's Scotland's pound' approach. Yes, it is. Because you're in the UK. You don't get to demand to be backed by the British taxpayer via the Bank of England if you choose to leave.

The 'we won't take any debts' line would infuriate the non-Scots British, given it was Scottish chancellors and financial institutions who caused the debts in the first place. Happily, No seems to be winning, but if Yes does the break-up would be seriously acrimonious.

I have to admit I find it a curious stratagem as well. The only answer Salmond seemed to rely on was that the Unionist parties are bluffing and, of course, would react in a logical fashion after a Yes victory by giving in to all the demands of the Yes side (not how he would phrase it no doubt, but as he sees his arguments as naturally correct and logical, that is the implication), but though countless Whitehall mandarins would probably be working hard to be logical, it is not hard to envisage a swell of opinion politically and publicly against even giving the appearance of being more generous to the newly independent Scotland than is deserved. A desire to be fair will be there I have no doubt, Scotland will be a close friend and ally of rUK, but given the disagreements merely in the run up to the vote, why would rUK suddenly see the light and see Salmond's position as fair and reasonable when they currently do not, by and large.

Insisting that a future negotiation will definitely work in your favour seems tailor made to get the other sides' back up, and it's a hell of a risk to take to rely on the other side bluffing so hard. At the very least, it invites to consideration that the Yes side are bluffing as well.

peter_from_putney

TheScreamingEagles said:

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Stuck £100 quid on Phil Hammond as next Tory leader today.

If this goes wrong, I'm blaming you (even though I initially tipped it)

Eh? I thought I was simply endorsing your own suggestion.
Good bet though, even if he only declares as a candidate which seems certain the way he's ascending the greasy pole. At worst, you should confidently be able to trade out at profitably at less than Ladbrokes' 16/1 which iirc is several points higher than the competition.

GIN1138

1. If Cameron lose's in 2015 he's out anyway. If Cameron wins in 2015 he's almost certainly going to retire in 2017 or 2018. So not sure Boris returning is much of a problem for him. George and Theresa are probably the biggest losers from The Return Of The Boris.

2. I bet we'll have lot's of shot's of Cameron, Boris and George all pretending to be friends.

3. We all love Boris now - Even Simon Heffer.

4. Boris is a political slut.

5. Boris and Farage winning ticket in 2020!

6. LOL @ UKIP.

7. Politicians lie - Shocker!

8. Tessa would be an interesting choice for Mayor.

9. To many tweets makes a...

10. Thank Allah for Team Blue.

11. There are plenty of sexist's across all parties. "Leftie Tim" was the most sexist party member I've ever encountered in my life,

12. No good "considering". Do it!

13. Dull, dull, dull.

14. We all LOL'ed at the buffoon Alex Salmond.

15. YES is in denial.

16. We all love Alistair Darlings eyebrows.

17. Are we supposed to feel guilty about discrimination 100 years ago?

18. Shame we can't get Israel to target some of their fire power at ISIS. What would Ed The Younger say though?

19. NIKE = Cool.

20. Wales?

21. "MEEESSSSAAAAAA LIKEA THIS...."

22. Did America go too far?

TheScreamingEagles

Following Darling's performance, I've stuck £4.04 on Ali Darling to be next Chancellor at 11/1

https://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=221802985&lp_num=11&lp_den=1&AFF_ID=10066776

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

TheScreamingEagles

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

GIN1138

TheScreamingEagles said:

Following Darling's performance, I've stuck £4.04 on Ali Darling to be next Chancellor at 11/1

https://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=221802985&lp_num=11&lp_den=1&AFF_ID=10066776

I could have sworn Alistair has announced he is standing down at the next election?

isam

Boris not standing in London's least diverse seat

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/sorry_boris_dame_angela_watkinson_to_run_again_as_mp_in_hornchurch_and_upminster_1_3679069

Easterross

TheScreamingEagles said:

Following Darling's performance, I've stuck £4.04 on Ali Darling to be next Chancellor at 11/1

https://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=221802985&lp_num=11&lp_den=1&AFF_ID=10066776

Come on TSE, I know he has new glasses and a new hairstyle and did well last night and even though his greatuncle was the Tory MP for his seat, on 19th September he will be announcing his retirement at the AGM to spend more time with his eyebrows.

TheScreamingEagles

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Following Darling's performance, I've stuck £4.04 on Ali Darling to be next Chancellor at 11/1

https://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=221802985&lp_num=11&lp_den=1&AFF_ID=10066776

I could have sworn Alistair has announced he is standing down at the next election?

There have been rumours, but nothing official.

I think Malleus Salmondtorum will want to come back to frontline politics after September 19, and Ed has a problem with his toxic Balls.

Tim_B

why would the UK want an independent Scotland to use the pound? How does it benefit them?

HurstLlama

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

Easterross

Sorry for AGM read GE

GeoffM

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

The Roman emperor Majorian would probably disagree.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Fair enough, I will have to stick to 'did you know...' when we play Absolute 80's on the radio in the office.

kle4

7. I guess it's part of the game, he had to appear focused on the current job, but like the Blair-Brown feud denials, no-one every believed it, so it does beg the question what the point of denying it was, as it didn't prevent the question being raised periodically. Has he copped to the lie yet? It's no big deal as far as lies go, but I am interested how he will respond to the point, something about the situation changing no doubt.

GIN1138 said:

17. Are we supposed to feel guilty about discrimination 100 years ago?

Probably. It is not enough that we have (mostly) improved in terms of tolerance (I do wonder which intolerances or tolerances future generations will criticise us for), we must endlessly navel gaze about the failings of the past. Granted, we do need to know these things, see the past with renewed perspectives, but it can go too far, as we see when worthy figures and cultures are regarded as having no worth or things to admire because they did not perfectly match our current social and cultural norms. On this particular matter, I think the involvement of other nations in the affair does still need a bit of a push in the cultural consciousness though.

isam

kle4 said:

7. I guess it's part of the game, he had to appear focused on the current job, but like the Blair-Brown feud denials, no-one every believed it, so it does beg the question what the point of denying it was, as it didn't prevent the question being raised periodically. Has he copped to the lie yet? It's no big deal as far as lies go, but I am interested how he will respond to the point, something about the situation changing no doubt.

GIN1138 said:

17. Are we supposed to feel guilty about discrimination 100 years ago?

Probably. It is not enough that we have (mostly) improved in terms of tolerance (I do wonder which intolerances or tolerances future generations will criticise us for), we must endlessly navel gaze about the failings of the past. Granted, we do need to know these things, see the past with renewed perspectives, but it can go too far, as we see when worthy figures and cultures are regarded as having no worth or things to admire because they did not perfectly match our current social and cultural norms. On this particular matter, I think the involvement of other nations in the affair does still need a bit of a push in the cultural consciousness though.

The Shifting Moral Zeitgeist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwz6B8BFkb4

TheScreamingEagles

GeoffM said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

The Roman emperor Majorian would probably disagree.

True.

TheScreamingEagles

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Fair enough, I will have to stick to 'did you know...' when we play Absolute 80's on the radio in the office.

I am banned by Mike from doing a "22 years ago tomorrow x was Number 1" anniversary kind of thing

TheScreamingEagles

OMG - A poll based on four people

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-debate-undecided-voters-3996847

Morris_Dancer

Mr. B, well quite.

I think we would benefit from:
propping up a massive financial sector across the border, without which most of it would drift south to give us more jobs and tax revenue
Salmond graciously agreeing to less than a tenth of the debt incurred due to Scottish chancellors and financial institutions

It's absolutely not worth it.

Happily, No seems to be winning.

peter_from_putney

Is someone looking out for tonight's YouGov/Sun poll? ..... I've still not figured out how to find this, probably because I don't have a twitter account. The Tories certainly need to claw back Labour's 5% lead yesterday.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Fair enough, I will have to stick to 'did you know...' when we play Absolute 80's on the radio in the office.

I am banned by Mike from doing a "22 years ago tomorrow x was Number 1" anniversary kind of thing

Then OGH is a big meanie.
I will lobby him on your behalf at DD's next time.

TheScreamingEagles

peter_from_putney said:

Is someone looking out for tonight's YouGov/Sun poll ..... I've still not figured out how to find this, probably because I don't have a twitter account. The Tories certainly need to claw back Labour's 5% lead yesterday.

Yes, I'll post it here in the next 20 mins

isam

Browsing the constituency betting...

UKIP for Plymouth Moor View at 16s?

It was on my list anyway, and they won the Euros by almost 10,000 votes

Id like to bet they come 2nd, they are currently a distant 3rd in the betting

TheScreamingEagles

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Fair enough, I will have to stick to 'did you know...' when we play Absolute 80's on the radio in the office.

I am banned by Mike from doing a "22 years ago tomorrow x was Number 1" anniversary kind of thing

Then OGH is a big meanie.
I will lobby him on your behalf at DD's next time.

It's ok, I am allowed to do one, I was really gutted a few months ago, I forgot to mention that the next day was Rick Astley's birthday

GIN1138

peter_from_putney said:

Is someone looking out for tonight's YouGov/Sun poll ..... I've still not figured out how to find this, probably because I don't have a twitter account. The Tories certainly need to claw back Labour's 5% lead yesterday.

Put these:

https://twitter.com/Sun_Politics

https://twitter.com/PopulusPolls

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft

Into your favourites. You don't need to be a twit to see the updates.

Morris_Dancer

Apparently Israel is to extend the ceasefire, though no word yet from Hamas.

HurstLlama

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Nothing major happened on 7th August? Tish and pish, Mr. Eagles, lots of terribly interesting and important things happened, as two minutes with Google would have shown you. For example, on that day in 1947 The Bombay Municipal Corporation formally takes over the Bombay Electric Supply and Transport (BEST); it is also Mrs. Llama's birthday..

MarkHopkins

HurstLlama said:

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

Indian war memorial in Brighton...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattri_(Brighton)

TheScreamingEagles

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Nothing major happened on 7th August? Tish and pish, Mr. Eagles, lots of terribly interesting and important things happened, as two minutes with Google would have shown you. For example, on that day in 1947 The Bombay Municipal Corporation formally takes over the Bombay Electric Supply and Transport (BEST); it is also Mrs. Llamas birthday..

Happy Birthday Mrs Llama

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Llama, I hope you remembered to buy something nice for your lady wife.

SimonStClare

" Malleus Salmondtorum "

Er, Darling did OK - lets not get too carried away... ; )

foxinsoxuk

Nighthawks may appreciate the row over politically correct Lego.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28660069

and a constituency house for NPMP?

http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/06/10-downing-street-for-sale-for-40000-only-its-in-nottingham-and-the-prime-minister-doesnt-live-there-4823185/

Morris_Dancer

Indeed, Mr. StClare. It's not like he did to the SNP what Aurelian did to the barbarians.

Edited note: change the imperial example from Basil II to Aurelian.

MarkHopkins

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Nothing major happened on 7th August? Tish and pish, Mr. Eagles, lots of terribly interesting and important things happened, as two minutes with Google would have shown you. For example, on that day in 1947 The Bombay Municipal Corporation formally takes over the Bombay Electric Supply and Transport (BEST); it is also Mrs. Llamas birthday..

Recent history here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/7/default.stm

TheScreamingEagles

SimonStClare said:

" Malleus Salmondtorum "

Er, Darling did OK - lets not get too carried away... ; )

I know, I know, I've been trading out my betting positions on the indyref today, no matter the outcome, I'm making a profit.

So I'm in the happy position of being able to enjoy the rest of the campaign.

TheScreamingEagles

MarkHopkins said:

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Nothing major happened on 7th August? Tish and pish, Mr. Eagles, lots of terribly interesting and important things happened, as two minutes with Google would have shown you. For example, on that day in 1947 The Bombay Municipal Corporation formally takes over the Bombay Electric Supply and Transport (BEST); it is also Mrs. Llamas birthday..

Recent history here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/7/default.stm

Those are all frightfully modern, I like stuff that happened before 1000 AD

surbiton

Altogether another topic:

Enjoy this magnificent triumph of brilliance and patience.

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/08060249-were-at-the-comet-rosetta.html

TheScreamingEagles

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

GIN1138

TheScreamingEagles said:

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

Boot Vince out and bring Boris in now.

TGOHF

TheScreamingEagles said:

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

Certainly an upgrade from the current one

peter_from_putney

GIN1138 said:

peter_from_putney said:

Is someone looking out for tonight's YouGov/Sun poll ..... I've still not figured out how to find this, probably because I don't have a twitter account. The Tories certainly need to claw back Labour's 5% lead yesterday.

Put these:

https://twitter.com/Sun_Politics

https://twitter.com/PopulusPolls

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft

Into your favourites. You don't need to be a twit to see the updates.

Gin - thanks for the links, it was just the first one I didn't have.

Stand by for TSE with tonight's news.

TheScreamingEagles

Here's the telegraph front page with the Boris as Biz Sec story

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYh_VOIUAA0lF8.jpg:large

TheScreamingEagles

Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down two to three points: CON 34%, LAB 37%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%

hunchman

More interesting Snowden revelations:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/08/06/the-hornets-nest/

Tykejohnno

Sun Politics @Sun_Politics

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down two to three points: CON 34%, LAB 37%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Nothing major happened on 7th August? Tish and pish, Mr. Eagles, lots of terribly interesting and important things happened, as two minutes with Google would have shown you. For example, on that day in 1947 The Bombay Municipal Corporation formally takes over the Bombay Electric Supply and Transport (BEST); it is also Mrs. Llamas birthday..

Recent history here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/7/default.stm

Those are all frightfully modern, I like stuff that happened before 1000 AD

The wiki lists are useful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_7

SimonStClare

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

" Malleus Salmondtorum "

Er, Darling did OK - lets not get too carried away... ; )

no matter the outcome, I'm making a profit.

Awesome, I would say put your feet up but aren't you standing in for Mike on the 18th?

peter_from_putney

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 11s

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead down two to three points: CON 34%, LAB 37%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%

Better if not great for the Tories - it's looking like another week of minimal change from Stephen Fisher.

HurstLlama

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Llama, I hope you remembered to buy something nice for your lady wife.

I did indeed, Mr. D, I am actually very good at remembering her birthday - its the wedding anniversary that I always forget, but then so does she (I have this nagging feeling that that says something about the state of our marriage, but after 30+ years its probably not worth worrying about). Anyway, the wretched Post Office decided to deliver Herself's present whilst we out for luncheon today. As I had had a drinkie I couldn't drive over to the sorting office to get it, so it is an very early rise tomorrow - The Brute will give me cover.

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarkHopkins said:

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Note to TSE: The bits on your Night thread of 'today is the anniversary of...' are generally very interesting.
Any chance you could change them to 'tomorrow is the anniversary of...'
It makes for more interesting facts to throw in at work in a 'did you know...'etc

I generally try and do that, but nothing major happened tomorrow, apart from the Battle of Crannon

Nothing major happened on 7th August? Tish and pish, Mr. Eagles, lots of terribly interesting and important things happened, as two minutes with Google would have shown you. For example, on that day in 1947 The Bombay Municipal Corporation formally takes over the Bombay Electric Supply and Transport (BEST); it is also Mrs. Llamas birthday..

Recent history here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/7/default.stm

Those are all frightfully modern, I like stuff that happened before 1000 AD

The wiki lists are useful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_7

They are very useful, thanks.

Easterross

34/37 so lead down to 3

MarkHopkins

CON 34%, LAB 37%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%

Labour's lead crashes by almost 50%

;-)

TheScreamingEagles

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

" Malleus Salmondtorum "

Er, Darling did OK - lets not get too carried away... ; )

no matter the outcome, I'm making a profit.

Awesome, I would say put your feet up but aren't you standing in for Mike on the 18th?

The day after.

Mike goes on holiday the day after the result.

So I will be editing the site during the aftermath, and during the Lab, Con and LD conferences.

And when Mike goes on holiday, NOTHING MAJOR EVER HAPPENS!

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Llama, glad to hear it.

Anyway, I'm off for the night.

TheScreamingEagles

The Scottish Telegraph are going to rue the day

Nick Sutton @suttonnick · 3m

Thursday's Telegraph (Scotland) - "Salmond's leadership under fire after debate disaster"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYj1-lIEAAc5Nz.jpg:large

SquareRoot

Ed is like Eck... flatters to deceive. Eck's been found out bigtime, Ed is on the way to the same fate..

Easterross

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Scottish Telegraph are going to rue the day

Nick Sutton @suttonnick · 3m

Thursday's Telegraph (Scotland) - "Salmond's leadership under fire after debate disaster"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYj1-lIEAAc5Nz.jpg:large

I don't think either of its readers in Scotland will bother.

Sean_F

HurstLlama said:

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

I love Max Hastings' account of the last great campaign of the Imperial Indian Army in 1945 in Burma.

I find it unlikely that Black and Asian soldiers would have volunteered to fight for people who they regarded as oppressors.

Grandiose

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

Certainly an upgrade from the current one

Who he? Ed.

Seriously, though, what has Vince done?

No Lib Dem claim to the economic recovery from that end.

JohnLilburne

hunchman said:

More interesting Snowden revelations:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/08/06/the-hornets-nest/

It's called concentrating the enemy so you can deal a decisive blow, hardly a new strategy.

TheScreamingEagles

Sean_F said:

HurstLlama said:

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

I love Max Hastings' account of the last great campaign of the Imperial Indian Army in 1945 in Burma.

I find it unlikely that Black and Asian soldiers would have volunteered to fight for people who they regarded as oppressors.

Indeed, one of my Great Grandfathers was a member of the British Indian Army, I have some of his medals.

He was very proud of his service.

Tykejohnno

amol rajan ✔ @amolrajan

+++ LIB DEMS TURN ON CAMERON OVER GAZA. Tomorrow's @Independent front page: pic.twitter.com/p8f4TPkn2c +++

Wasn't yesterdays front page,tories turn on Cameron.

TheScreamingEagles

Grandiose said:

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

Certainly an upgrade from the current one

Who he? Ed.

Seriously, though, what has Vince done?

No Lib Dem claim to the economic recovery from that end.

Flogged the Royal Mail, introduced the fees for Uni students.

AndyJS

That Boris Johnson and David Cameron are two of the most impressive politicians currently in British politics ought to be cause for a great deal of national soul-searching IMO.

Grandiose

TheScreamingEagles said:

Grandiose said:

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

Certainly an upgrade from the current one

Who he? Ed.

Seriously, though, what has Vince done?

No Lib Dem claim to the economic recovery from that end.

Flogged the Royal Mail, introduced the fees for Uni students.

History will remember the Royal Mail privatisation as an entirely Tory idea from conception to delivery. Despite Labour trying and failing, etc. etc.

"Here lies Vince Cable, privatiser of the Royal Mail"...

Fees doesn't scream Cable either. More a Clegg/Tory thing.

peter_from_putney

Easterross said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Scottish Telegraph are going to rue the day

Nick Sutton @suttonnick · 3m

Thursday's Telegraph (Scotland) - "Salmond's leadership under fire after debate disaster"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYj1-lIEAAc5Nz.jpg:large

I don't think either of its readers in Scotland will bother.

Easterross said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The Scottish Telegraph are going to rue the day

Nick Sutton @suttonnick · 3m

Thursday's Telegraph (Scotland) - "Salmond's leadership under fire after debate disaster"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYj1-lIEAAc5Nz.jpg:large

I don't think either of its readers in Scotland will bother.

Would that be you speaking from first hand Easterross?

GIN1138

Tykejohnno said:

amol rajan ✔ @amolrajan

+++ LIB DEMS TURN ON CAMERON OVER GAZA. Tomorrow's @Independent front page: pic.twitter.com/p8f4TPkn2c +++

Wasn't yesterdays front page,tories turn on Cameron.

Anybody would think the entire political class has been waiting for Cameron to go on holiday so they can start getting their pound of flesh, LOL

HurstLlama

Sean_F said:

HurstLlama said:

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

I love Max Hastings' account of the last great campaign of the Imperial Indian Army in 1945 in Burma.

I find it unlikely that Black and Asian soldiers would have volunteered to fight for people who they regarded as oppressors.

Correct Mr. F and they were all volunteers. In fact the biggest volunteer army in history was the Indian Army of WW2.

P.S. If you are interested in that campaign and you haven't read it yet then I thoroughly recommend George MacDonald's Fraser's memoir, "Quartered Safe Out Here". It is one of the finest things ever written about modern warfare from a very junior infantryman's view and it is very good on the British Army, probably as accurate today as it was then.

AndyJS

MarkHopkins said:

CON 34%, LAB 37%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%

Labour's lead crashes by almost 50%

;-)

Interesting that around 45% of voters would possibly support Tory coalitions involving either the LDs or UKIP. That's not a bad position for the Conservatives to be in.

kle4

Tykejohnno said:

amol rajan ✔ @amolrajan

+++ LIB DEMS TURN ON CAMERON OVER GAZA. Tomorrow's @Independent front page: pic.twitter.com/p8f4TPkn2c +++

Wasn't yesterdays front page,tories turn on Cameron.

Everyone turns on him, poor man.

AndyJS said:

That Boris Johnson and David Cameron are two of the most impressive politicians currently in British politics ought to be cause for a great deal of national soul-searching IMO.

Much of the time, we get the politicians we deserve. They would not have developed into what they are, even if it has been taken beyond what people thought, if it had not been electorally successful.

GeoffM

TheScreamingEagles said:

They are very useful, thanks.

Yes, those pages are usually the backbone of the On This Day round I put in the Sunday pub quiz. Essential reading for the regular teams looking for clues in advance!

TheScreamingEagles

Grandiose said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Grandiose said:

TGOHF said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Telegraph say Boris is in line to be the Business Secretary

Certainly an upgrade from the current one

Who he? Ed.

Seriously, though, what has Vince done?

No Lib Dem claim to the economic recovery from that end.

Flogged the Royal Mail, introduced the fees for Uni students.

History will remember the Royal Mail privatisation as an entirely Tory idea from conception to delivery. Despite Labour trying and failing, etc. etc.

"Here lies Vince Cable, privatiser of the Royal Mail"...

Fees doesn't scream Cable either. More a Clegg/Tory thing.

I also remember him for threatening to launch his nuclear weapon, after a couple of pretty female telegraph reporters batted their lashes at him.

HurstLlama

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sean_F said:

HurstLlama said:

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

I love Max Hastings' account of the last great campaign of the Imperial Indian Army in 1945 in Burma.

I find it unlikely that Black and Asian soldiers would have volunteered to fight for people who they regarded as oppressors.

Indeed, one of my Great Grandfathers was a member of the British Indian Army, I have some of his medals.

He was very proud of his service.

Gosh, would you be prepared to share any details, stories, photos etc that you have of your great Grandfather? The role of the Indian Army in WWI is something of a hobby, though obsession might be nearer the mark, of mine.

Floater

Tim_B said:

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

peter_from_putney said:

Tim_B said:

MarkHopkins said:

Tim_B said:

First again!

Proud of coming first, Mr B?

More than you might expect. The city in which I reside is very small and not far from a city called Cumming.

They held a competition for a city slogan a year or so back.

Almost all the entries were a variation of 'close to Cumming' so they stopped the competition.

But yes, I always have tissues handy :-)

Please, no slogans about having the tissues handy.

Btw if you'd like any training on the "First ..... again!" front you need only ask the master.

Sorry for the delay in replying - I had to use an impressive number of tissues just now :-)

Too much information!

But I feel so relaxed :-)

And sleepy.......................

surbiton

HurstLlama said:

Sean_F said:

HurstLlama said:

"Black, Indian, Chinese, gay, mixed race – all fought for a country at a time when it treated them as second-class citizens"

Minorities have always fought in the British armed forces and have not generally speaking been treated as second class in any of them.

The contribution of Indian Troops on the Western front in WWI is, however, a remarkable story and far less well-known than it should be, even here in darkest Sussex where we have two magnificent memorials to their contribution.

As a fine point of interest the idea that the Afghans have always been an implacable enemy of the UK is shown to be complete tosh once you start digging. I have in my collection a photo of a pathan, what we would now call pashtun, soldier being presented with the Victoria Cross by the King in the grounds of Brighton Pavilion. The contribution made by pathan soldiers as far back as 1857 and as late as 1945 was exemplary.

P.S. In order to cater for caste and religious needs of the soldiers the hospital set up in the Brighton Pavilion had seven separate kitchens. Treated as second class, I think not.

I love Max Hastings' account of the last great campaign of the Imperial Indian Army in 1945 in Burma.

I find it unlikely that Black and Asian soldiers would have volunteered to fight for people who they regarded as oppressors.

Correct Mr. F and they were all volunteers. In fact the biggest volunteer army in history was the Indian Army of WW2.

P.S. If you are interested in that campaign and you haven't read it yet then I thoroughly recommend George MacDonald's Fraser's memoir, "Quartered Safe Out Here". It is one of the finest things ever written about modern warfare from a very junior infantryman's view and it is very good on the British Army, probably as accurate today as it was then.

You are quitely forgetting that for most if not all, it was a "well paid" job if you came from the villages of India. As it is today, if you came from the villages of Nepal.

Does a Gurkha today get the same pay as a soldier from the UK in the Army ?

TGOHF

Tykejohnno said:

amol rajan ✔ @amolrajan

+++ LIB DEMS TURN ON CAMERON OVER GAZA. Tomorrow's @Independent front page: pic.twitter.com/p8f4TPkn2c +++

Wasn't yesterdays front page,tories turn on Cameron.

They going to go for an early GE ??