The telling point will be how many commentators/papers run with Ed's note as opposed to or with Clegg's as a minor footnote to the article.
It will be horrific for Miliband in the Mail, the Sun and the Express tomorrow.
The narrative changed very quickly after it emerged all the senior political leaders except Cameron had similar messages.
And that someone in Cameron's Government was, unusually and for unknown reasons, involved in changing arrangements...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 1h Guardian retract their bold claim that 'only Cameron was allowed to include a personal message on his wreath'. Goodbye conspiracy theory.
The telling point will be how many commentators/papers run with Ed's note as opposed to or with Clegg's as a minor footnote to the article.
It will be horrific for Miliband in the Mail, the Sun and the Express tomorrow.
The narrative changed very quickly after it emerged all the senior political leaders except Cameron had similar messages.
And that someone in Cameron's Government was, unusually and for unknown reasons, involved in changing arrangements...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 1h Guardian retract their bold claim that 'only Cameron was allowed to include a personal message on his wreath'. Goodbye conspiracy theory.
Eoin Clarke's OTT hyperbole was just as bad a Mensch tbh.
As Cyclefree pointed out here - cock up rather than conspiracy.
As I said yesterday, it would be good to read a considered, non-abusive response from someone on the Yes side.
If only there was a considered, non-abusive piece to respond to.
'socialist utopia', 'profoundly misguided', 'an impoverished and depleted view of the world', 'deficiencies', 'blinkered', 'ferocity'.
I wonder which side of the debate this master of Olympian detachment is referring to? Still, some amusement is to be gained from Unionists who've just about managed to accept the description of Unionist now trying to push their British nationalism to the back of the closet.
They will never ever learn.
Let me take a wild guess, quoting the prof's own intemperate remarks and referring to British nationalism will be regarded as ill-considered abuse.
Not at all. British nationalism certainly exists. I was just interested in understanding why you believe the professor is wrong to assert that unionism does not necessarily equate to British nationalism. Why do you reject his explanation of why he does not consider himself a British nationalist?
I don't think unionism 'necessarily' equates to British nationalism, just much more often than not. The moment someone extols the greatness of Britain, witters on about 'punching above our weight' and starts waving a Union flag, they have become British nationalists.
Tompkinson may or may not be a British nationalist, but it's very clear he is desperate not to be defined as such. He wants to construct a vision of an outward looking, internationalist UK (though still wrapped up in the comfort blanket of UK borders), yet the the most significant recent development in the body politic of England is anti EU & isolationist; that just doesn't add up. It's also pretty rich that he floats the idea of Yessers wanting a socialist utopia while he, misty eyed, tries to push UKopia as the best of all possible worlds. In fact anyone I know who wants an independent Scotland has no plans for a utopia, only that Scotland, just possibly, could be a better place than it currently is. British politics are in a pretty dire place if the hope of improvement is automatically categorised as utopianism.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
The ivy climbing over my fence is no more than a benefit tourist
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
The telling point will be how many commentators/papers run with Ed's note as opposed to or with Clegg's as a minor footnote to the article.
It will be horrific for Miliband in the Mail, the Sun and the Express tomorrow.
The narrative changed very quickly after it emerged all the senior political leaders except Cameron had similar messages.
And that someone in Cameron's Government was, unusually and for unknown reasons, involved in changing arrangements...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 1h Guardian retract their bold claim that 'only Cameron was allowed to include a personal message on his wreath'. Goodbye conspiracy theory.
Eoin Clarke's OTT hyperbole was just as bad a Mensch tbh.
As Cyclefree pointed out here - cock up rather than conspiracy.
In my experience, cock-ups explain most things.
Anyway, despite not being Scottish and not having a vote, I still think we will have a Yes vote. No basis at all for saying this other than:-
1. My natural inclination - were I a voter in this I would probably vote yes simply because self-respect as a nation is an important concept. 2. The "Better Together" campaign has been so relentlessly negative - about how everything would fall apart if Scotland were not in the UK. There's been nothing positive about it all, at least so far as I can see. What is the positive case for being in the United Kingdom - beyond "we must all huddle together for warmth"?
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
Some left-wing academics think Thomas The Tank Engine is the equivalent of Der Sturmer.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
The ivy climbing over my fence is no more than a benefit tourist
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
The telling point will be how many commentators/papers run with Ed's note as opposed to or with Clegg's as a minor footnote to the article.
It will be horrific for Miliband in the Mail, the Sun and the Express tomorrow.
The narrative changed very quickly after it emerged all the senior political leaders except Cameron had similar messages.
And that someone in Cameron's Government was, unusually and for unknown reasons, involved in changing arrangements...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 1h Guardian retract their bold claim that 'only Cameron was allowed to include a personal message on his wreath'. Goodbye conspiracy theory.
Eoin Clarke's OTT hyperbole was just as bad a Mensch tbh.
As Cyclefree pointed out here - cock up rather than conspiracy.
2. The "Better Together" campaign has been so relentlessly negative - about how everything would fall apart if Scotland were not in the UK. There's been nothing positive about it all, at least so far as I can see. What is the positive case for being in the United Kingdom - beyond "we must all huddle together for warmth"?
Glasgow and surrounding areas elect Labour time after time after time rather than the (more positive in my view) SNP who I'd place at a similiar point on the right-left scale. I think negative campaigning and fear works quite well there (Sadly).
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
Some left-wing academics think Thomas The Tank Engine is the equivalent of Der Sturmer.
Some right wing politicians think Blackadder is Marxist, pacifist propaganda.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
BREAKING NEWS
There are very few black flowers.
God is racist.
I give you Aeonium Schwarzkopf and Ophiopogon Nigrescens not to mention blackberries and the black berries of Sarcococca Confusa. There is also black bamboo.
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Change from 22nd July Projection) :
Con 312 (+3) .. Lab 276 (-2) .. LibDem 30 (-2) .. SNP 9 (+1) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 1 .. Respect 0 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 14 seats short of a majority Labour 50 seats short of a majority ......................................................................................
"JackW Dozen" - 13 seats that will shape the General Election result :
Bury North - TCTC Pudsey - TCTC Broxtowe - Likely Lab Gain Warwickshire North - Likely Lab Gain Cambridge - Likely LibDem Hold Ipswich - TCTC Watford - TCTC Croydon Central - Likely Con Hold Enfield - TCTC Cornwall North - TCTC Great Yarmouth - Con Hold Vale of Glamorgan - Con Hold Ochil and South Perthshire - Likely Lab Hold
Changes From 22nd July - Vale of Glamorgan moves from Likely Con Hold to Con Hold
TCTC - Too Close To Call - Less than 500 votes Likely Hold/Gain - 500 - 2500 votes Gain/Hold - Over 2500 votes .......................................................................................
WIND - Whimsical Independent News Division JNN - Jacobite News Network ARSE - Anonymous Random Selection of Electors
Your ARSE looks odds on for another coalition!
The only thing I'd question is whether, after losing half their seat's, the Lib-Dems would feel they could justify staying in government after such a heavy defeat?
Then again it is the Lib-Dem's we're talking about....
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
Some left-wing academics think Thomas The Tank Engine is the equivalent of Der Sturmer.
Some right wing politicians think Blackadder is Marxist, pacifist propaganda.
It has a pacifist message, but it's still very funny.
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
@Pulpstar It looked more like a quick reversal from his original position? :-) The one I saw was more a parking bump, which is why I wonder if he got caught again?
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
BREAKING NEWS
There are very few black flowers.
God is racist.
I give you Aeonium Schwarzkopf and Ophiopogon Nigrescens not to mention blackberries and the black berries of Sarcococca Confusa. There is also black bamboo.
I have a black elder, which is attractive against a white wall.
The number of working people relying on housing benefit to boost their income has doubled in five years, at a cost of billions of pounds to the taxpayer
Obviously failing to stop can be a serious offence, but in Scotland they tended to be less severe on " minor parking incidents". Granted, it has been several years since my last RTA.
The number of working people relying on housing benefit to boost their income has doubled in five years, at a cost of billions of pounds to the taxpayer
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to the JNN the contents of the latest ARSE 2015 General Election and "JackW Dozen" Projections. (Change from 22nd July Projection) :
Con 312 (+3) .. Lab 276 (-2) .. LibDem 30 (-2) .. SNP 9 (+1) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 1 .. Respect 0 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1
Conservatives 14 seats short of a majority Labour 50 seats short of a majority ......................................................................................
"JackW Dozen" - 13 seats that will shape the General Election result :
Bury North - TCTC Pudsey - TCTC Broxtowe - Likely Lab Gain Warwickshire North - Likely Lab Gain Cambridge - Likely LibDem Hold Ipswich - TCTC Watford - TCTC Croydon Central - Likely Con Hold Enfield - TCTC Cornwall North - TCTC Great Yarmouth - Con Hold Vale of Glamorgan - Con Hold Ochil and South Perthshire - Likely Lab Hold
Changes From 22nd July - Vale of Glamorgan moves from Likely Con Hold to Con Hold
TCTC - Too Close To Call - Less than 500 votes Likely Hold/Gain - 500 - 2500 votes Gain/Hold - Over 2500 votes .......................................................................................
WIND - Whimsical Independent News Division JNN - Jacobite News Network ARSE - Anonymous Random Selection of Electors
Your ARSE looks odds on for another coalition!
The only thing I'd question is whether, after losing half their seat's, the Lib-Dems would feel they could justify staying in government after such a heavy defeat?
Then again it is the Lib-Dem's we're talking about....
Coalition The Squeal it is! :^O
So it would appear.
The LibDems have to hard headed.
They may have significant influence in government or impotence in opposition.
Is it reading too much into it to wonder whether Warsi's reference to "the way recent decisions are being made" to be a reference to changes at the FO since Hammond took over from Hague?
Is it reading too much into it to wonder whether Warsi's reference to "the way recent decisions are being made" to be a reference to changes at the FO since Hammond took over from Hague?
But the economic think tank said that for Scotland to be wealthier, it would have to strike a deal with Westminster to repay only half of its population share of the UK’s national debt while receiving almost twice the predicted income from the North Sea.
If Scotland inherited its full population share of the UK’s national debt, as expected, then oil revenues would have to meet the First Minister’s most optimistic possible forecast if it was not to be poorer.
‘Gardeners’ Question Time is not the most controversial show on Radio 4, and yet it is layered with, saturated with, racial meanings. The context here is the rise of nationalism. The rise of racist and fascist parties across Europe. Nationalism is about shoring up a fantasy of national integrity. My question is, what feeds nationalism? What makes nationalism powerful?’
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views. White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
BREAKING NEWS
There are very few black flowers.
God is racist.
I give you Aeonium Schwarzkopf and Ophiopogon Nigrescens not to mention blackberries and the black berries of Sarcococca Confusa. There is also black bamboo.
I have a black elder, which is attractive against a white wall.
Of course. Sambucus nigra. A lovely plant.
I rather love the way this thread (some parts of it anyway) have morphed into PoliticalGardening.com!
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
Sheffield really should be full of easy holds for Labour. They can afford to throw everything at Hallam.
No surprise with Osborne's comments on Warsi. He never misses an opportunity to tell everyone how much he loves Israel. It's strange because Hammond's comments were pretty strong. What is Cameron's position.
Re-reading the letter, I think the recent decisions Lady Warsi is talking about the replacement of Dominic Grieve as Attorney-General.
I think he would have said one way or the other if the Israeli actions were war crimes or not.
And everyone would have accepted his decision without complaint. whereas Jeremy Wright lacks the gravitas or legal authority to give such a decision.
She may have wanted him to do that but is that the role of a UK Attorney-General? I'm not sure how he can say- definitively - whether the actions of another state or a non-state actor (since there is good evidence suggesting that some of what Hamas is doing may also be a war crime, as the UN has pointed out) are or are not war crimes.
Much depends on the intent of the parties and the knowledge they have at the time, which is not material which is necessarily known to the UK which is not a party and has no special knowledge.
He may well have a role opining on whether Britain can arm or provide funds to the parties. There is the question of arms exports. There is also the question of the funds which go, directly or indirectly, to the Palestinian authorities and whether that is used for improper purposes (e.g. to buy arms) or for purposes for which it was not intended. Regrettably some of the money that goes for humanitarian purposes to Palestinians is misused and misappropriated, not least by some of their leaders.
On the general point I agree: the loss of Dominic Grieve was a very very poor decision by Cameron. There is a very good interview with Grieve in the latest Law Society gazette where he points out that if the Tories tried to change the law to say that decisions of the ECHR could only be enforced if Parliament agreed, the new A-G:
"would have to advise civil servants they could not even draft legislation that would be contrary to the ministerial code, which currently requires compliance with the UK's international legal obligations".
Damningly, he goes on: "the electorate are quite clever at detecting what is serious in terms of change and what may just be window-dressing" and goes on to say that if a policy to opt out of the ECHR makes it into the manifesto he will tell voters he cannot support it.
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
Sheffield really should be full of easy holds for Labour. They can afford to throw everything at Hallam.
No surprise with Osborne's comments on Warsi. He never misses an opportunity to tell everyone how much he loves Israel. It's strange because Hammond's comments were pretty strong. What is Cameron's position.
If Labour are throwing resources at Hallam they are being very foolish, considering there are many more marginal seats in South and West Yorkshire that are much more winnable.
Sean,dont you think Baroness Warsi and Sajid Javid in the cabinet and ear of Cameron as more influence of thinking,if they thought differently,maybe resignation,that would really damage Cameron
@Pulpstar I used to think LDs would beat UKIP on votes. I thought LD over 10% UKIP under 10%.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
I can well see UKIP finishing 2nd in Chesterfield.
Probably
Labour 45 UKIP 25 Con 15 Lib Dem 8
Something like that
Are you saying The Lib Dems are going to drop 30% between elections, and lose 79% of their support?
No surprise with Osborne's comments on Warsi. He never misses an opportunity to tell everyone how much he loves Israel. It's strange because Hammond's comments were pretty strong. What is Cameron's position.
Sean,dont you think Baroness Warsi and Sajid Javid in the cabinet and ear of Cameron as more influence of thinking,if they thought differently,maybe resignation,that would really damage Cameron
Why did you include Sajid Javid in that though? Surely he's coming at this issue from completely the opposite end of the scale from Warsi?
Sean,dont you think Baroness Warsi and Sajid Javid in the cabinet and ear of Cameron as more influence of thinking,if they thought differently,maybe resignation,that would really damage Cameron
Why did you include Sajid Javid in that though? Surely he's coming at this issue from completely the opposite end of the scale from Warsi?
Sean,dont you think Baroness Warsi and Sajid Javid in the cabinet and ear of Cameron as more influence of thinking,if they thought differently,maybe resignation,that would really damage Cameron
Why did you include Sajid Javid in that though? Surely he's coming at this issue from completely the opposite end of the scale from Warsi?
As I said yesterday, it would be good to read a considered, non-abusive response from someone on the Yes side.
If only there was a considered, non-abusive piece to respond to.
'socialist utopia', 'profoundly misguided', 'an impoverished and depleted view of the world', 'deficiencies', 'blinkered', 'ferocity'.
I wonder which side of the debate this master of Olympian detachment is referring to? Still, some amusement is to be gained from Unionists who've just about managed to accept the description of Unionist now trying to push their British nationalism to the back of the closet.
They will never ever learn.
I have learned that to get a Scottish nationalist to engage in an argument about substantive issues is a task that is almost impossible to achieve. It's a shame really. I'd love to know why you believe the professor is wrong.
He is wrong because the whole point is that all power is under the control of Westminster and the Scottish people would like it to be in the control of the Scottish people. How more simple can it be than that. He is happy with his six figure salary and it is f**k you Jack to the rest who cannot influence things, as long he is fat and happy.
"With the vote on Scottish Independence less than two months away, the company said it did "not believe that further clarity has been provided" on issues raised in February that could materially affect its four million UK customers, shareholders, and staff.
These material issues include what currency will an independent Scotland use, whether it will join the EU, the shape of the monetary system, financial regulation, taxation and the impact of the change on savings and pensions.
The pensions, savings and insurance giant said in February that it was preparing to shift operations and personnel from its Edinburgh headquarters a “precautionary measure to ensure continuity of our businesses’ competitive position”."
As I said yesterday, it would be good to read a considered, non-abusive response from someone on the Yes side.
If only there was a considered, non-abusive piece to respond to.
'socialist utopia', 'profoundly misguided', 'an impoverished and depleted view of the world', 'deficiencies', 'blinkered', 'ferocity'.
I wonder which side of the debate this master of Olympian detachment is referring to? Still, some amusement is to be gained from Unionists who've just about managed to accept the description of Unionist now trying to push their British nationalism to the back of the closet.
They will never ever learn.
I have learned that to get a Scottish nationalist to engage in an argument about substantive issues is a task that is almost impossible to achieve. It's a shame really. I'd love to know why you believe the professor is wrong.
What do you consider a "substantive issue", and is it the same as a Yes campaigner / Scottish Nationalist?
And how many Scottish Nationalists do you regularly try to engage with, and where? Just on here?
To the extent that your description is accurate, it applies to Unionists as much as Nationalists in my opinion.
I am very bullish on a Yes vote on 18th September. It'll be close, but divorce looks pretty certain to me. Hopefully, it won't be too messy.
One to be filed with the Romney predictions in due time. I feel your prediction record won't be adversely affected.
Ha, ha. I hope to be as wrong as I was about Romney. But this time I fear I may turn out to be right. The certainty of the Yes supporters is very convincing, especially when most of the few No supporters on here who are based in Scotland seem to be less than certain of their chances. Most of all, though, if it does come to a separation let's hope it is a clean one. Years of messy negotiation is not going to help anybody.
Re-reading the letter, I think the recent decisions Lady Warsi is talking about the replacement of Dominic Grieve as Attorney-General.
I think he would have said one way or the other if the Israeli actions were war crimes or not.
And everyone would have accepted his decision without complaint. whereas Jeremy Wright lacks the gravitas or legal authority to give such a decision.
She may have wanted him to do that but is that the role of a UK Attorney-General? I'm not sure how he can say- definitively - whether the actions of another state or a non-state actor (since there is good evidence suggesting that some of what Hamas is doing may also be a war crime, as the UN has pointed out) are or are not war crimes.
Much depends on the intent of the parties and the knowledge they have at the time, which is not material which is necessarily known to the UK which is not a party and has no special knowledge.
He may well have a role opining on whether Britain can arm or provide funds to the parties. There is the question of arms exports. There is also the question of the funds which go, directly or indirectly, to the Palestinian authorities and whether that is used for improper purposes (e.g. to buy arms) or for purposes for which it was not intended. Regrettably some of the money that goes for humanitarian purposes to Palestinians is misused and misappropriated, not least by some of their leaders.
On the general point I agree: the loss of Dominic Grieve was a very very poor decision by Cameron. There is a very good interview with Grieve in the latest Law Society gazette where he points out that if the Tories tried to change the law to say that decisions of the ECHR could only be enforced if Parliament agreed, the new A-G:
"would have to advise civil servants they could not even draft legislation that would be contrary to the ministerial code, which currently requires compliance with the UK's international legal obligations".
Damningly, he goes on: "the electorate are quite clever at detecting what is serious in terms of change and what may just be window-dressing" and goes on to say that if a policy to opt out of the ECHR makes it into the manifesto he will tell voters he cannot support it.
I think I may have been imprecise in my wording.
She may have wanted the AG to say Israel are breaking international law, so it would be easier to impose sanctions/trade restrictions on Israel.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28656874#TWEET1201400
& Mensch really made a fool of herself on Twitter yesterday.
Guardian retract their bold claim that 'only Cameron was allowed to include a personal message on his wreath'. Goodbye conspiracy theory.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716106/Gardeners-Question-Time-caught-race-row.html
As Cyclefree pointed out here - cock up rather than conspiracy.
Tompkinson may or may not be a British nationalist, but it's very clear he is desperate not to be defined as such. He wants to construct a vision of an outward looking, internationalist UK (though still wrapped up in the comfort blanket of UK borders), yet the the most significant recent development in the body politic of England is anti EU & isolationist; that just doesn't add up. It's also pretty rich that he floats the idea of Yessers wanting a socialist utopia while he, misty eyed, tries to push UKopia as the best of all possible worlds. In fact anyone I know who wants an independent Scotland has no plans for a utopia, only that Scotland, just possibly, could be a better place than it currently is. British politics are in a pretty dire place if the hope of improvement is automatically categorised as utopianism.
Dr Pitcher said there is a ‘crisis in white identity in multicultural Britain’ caused by the fact that ‘white culture’ is historically associated with racism and far-Right views.
White people are therefore forced to find other ways of talking about white identity – such as through gardening – so they do not appear to be racist.
I now think UKIP will probably win that battle unless LAB voters in places where LD are only Tory opposition hold their noses more than I think they are currently saying.
Looking at this for the last 4 years if I were in this position would have said no chance. As GE2015 gets closer hate to admit I might.
Fortunately I live in Chesterfield where LAB maj in one of its most marginal seats must be 1/100 thanks to LD joining Government so I dont have to contemplate the terrible dilemma above.
Overall I think you are right UKIP will beat LD on popular vote but have staked all my GE2015 money on Lab most seats so wont have a financial interest in the 3rd/4th market.
Anyway, despite not being Scottish and not having a vote, I still think we will have a Yes vote. No basis at all for saying this other than:-
1. My natural inclination - were I a voter in this I would probably vote yes simply because self-respect as a nation is an important concept.
2. The "Better Together" campaign has been so relentlessly negative - about how everything would fall apart if Scotland were not in the UK. There's been nothing positive about it all, at least so far as I can see. What is the positive case for being in the United Kingdom - beyond "we must all huddle together for warmth"?
BREAKING NEWS
There are very few black flowers.
God is racist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/04/bw_0_n_5649007.html?1407229825&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
UKIP 25
Con 15
Lib Dem 8
Something like that
The only thing I'd question is whether, after losing half their seat's, the Lib-Dems would feel they could justify staying in government after such a heavy defeat?
Then again it is the Lib-Dem's we're talking about....
Coalition The Squeal it is! :^O
http://tinyurl.com/mxyn6j3
A seat they held up to 2010?
Seems a bit OTT for what looked like a minor "ding"?
Or has he been caught again?
If the gardening jokes become tiresome, CIF also claims “pop culture is peddling racism”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/04/katy-perry-avril-lavigne-pop-culture-peddling-racism
It looked more like a quick reversal from his original position? :-)
The one I saw was more a parking bump, which is why I wonder if he got caught again?
CON 7,282 LAB 18,862 LD 19,264 Other 3,394
So I think LAB 23.000 UKIP 13000 CON 6000 LD 6000 would be about right
The max he could have faced is a 5k fine and six months in prison.
Ed Balls £950 fine, and 5 penalty points.
The number of working people relying on housing benefit to boost their income has doubled in five years, at a cost of billions of pounds to the taxpayer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/number-of-people-in-work-claiming-housing-benefit-soars-9647752.html
Obviously failing to stop can be a serious offence, but in Scotland they tended to be less severe on " minor parking incidents".
Granted, it has been several years since my last RTA.
CON 5,324 LAB 21,165 LD 9,241 Other 10,109
"The Department for Work and Pensions says the number of jobless housing benefit claimants has fallen since 2010. "
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/284650-how-to-watch-stvs-alex-salmond-vs-alistair-darling-referendum-debate/
The LibDems have to hard headed.
They may have significant influence in government or impotence in opposition.
Gaza crisis 'intolerable', says Philip Hammond
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28628577
@Steven_Swinford: George Osborne says Baroness Warsi's decision to resign over Gaza is 'disappointing and frankly unnecessary'.
The resignation letter is on the BBC website, and seems to indicate that, along with a few other of the reshuffled ministers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28657623
If Scotland inherited its full population share of the UK’s national debt, as expected, then oil revenues would have to meet the First Minister’s most optimistic possible forecast if it was not to be poorer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11011844/Scotland-likely-to-be-worse-off-after-independence.html
Mike won't be there.
Whatever next ? .... leaks from my ARSE !!
Yes, I am aware of the irony.
Still at least he can separate his job from his sky fairy.
I think he would have said one way or the other if the Israeli actions were war crimes or not.
And everyone would have accepted his decision without complaint. whereas Jeremy Wright lacks the gravitas or legal authority to give such a decision.
Here is a series of vids to explain the game...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC_RAQkM7Ek
Still plenty of time yet before the off - In particular you should be talking to Austria, Russia, Italy though...
I'm still familiarising myself with the game
I rather love the way this thread (some parts of it anyway) have morphed into PoliticalGardening.com!
No surprise with Osborne's comments on Warsi. He never misses an opportunity to tell everyone how much he loves Israel. It's strange because Hammond's comments were pretty strong. What is Cameron's position.
Much depends on the intent of the parties and the knowledge they have at the time, which is not material which is necessarily known to the UK which is not a party and has no special knowledge.
He may well have a role opining on whether Britain can arm or provide funds to the parties. There is the question of arms exports. There is also the question of the funds which go, directly or indirectly, to the Palestinian authorities and whether that is used for improper purposes (e.g. to buy arms) or for purposes for which it was not intended. Regrettably some of the money that goes for humanitarian purposes to Palestinians is misused and misappropriated, not least by some of their leaders.
On the general point I agree: the loss of Dominic Grieve was a very very poor decision by Cameron. There is a very good interview with Grieve in the latest Law Society gazette where he points out that if the Tories tried to change the law to say that decisions of the ECHR could only be enforced if Parliament agreed, the new A-G:
"would have to advise civil servants they could not even draft legislation that would be contrary to the ministerial code, which currently requires compliance with the UK's international legal obligations".
Damningly, he goes on: "the electorate are quite clever at detecting what is serious in terms of change and what may just be window-dressing" and goes on to say that if a policy to opt out of the ECHR makes it into the manifesto he will tell voters he cannot support it.
To lose one is careless ... to lose Grieve, Willetts, Clarke, Hurd, Duncan etc..
@SeanT
Sean,dont you think Baroness Warsi and Sajid Javid in the cabinet and ear of Cameron as more influence of thinking,if they thought differently,maybe resignation,that would really damage Cameron
Do we know that ;-)
Discuss.
Avoid writing both sides of the argument at the same time.
He is happy with his six figure salary and it is f**k you Jack to the rest who cannot influence things, as long he is fat and happy.
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/284650-how-to-watch-stvs-alex-salmond-vs-alistair-darling-referendum-debate/
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/diane-abbott-most-labour-mps-think-ed-miliband-is-set-for-defeat-in-2015-9648965.html
She may have wanted the AG to say Israel are breaking international law, so it would be easier to impose sanctions/trade restrictions on Israel.