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For a year now Populus has been issuing two online polls a week – on Monday where the fieldwork has taken place over the weekend and on a Friday when responses were from mid-week.
Are you telling me that people change their mind halfway through the week and then back again as to who they are going to vote for ?!
Alternatively they haven't made up their minds (or thought about it for that matter) until they're asked by the pollster, so what's varying is the probability that they'll jump one way or another.
Methinks their weightings aren't quite right. There shouldn't be any systematic variation of this sort.
BTW I doubt very much whether sentiment changes according to the day of week, so, no, it's not good news for the Tories, it's an indication that Populus hasn't got it quite right.
Methinks their weightings aren't quite right. There shouldn't be any systematic variation of this sort.
BTW I doubt very much whether sentiment changes according to the day of week, so, no, it's not good news for the Tories, it's an indication that Populus hasn't got it quite right.
Populus has something seriously kooky still going on with it's Question 4/UKIP identifier
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment, which political party would you say you have usually most closely identified yourself with?
What Populus basically believe is that the 3 odd % who voted UKIP at GE2010 somehow consistently form 10% of every single one of their poll samples.
I believe people are answering:
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment, which political party would you say most closely identify yourself with?
Populus has something seriously kooky still going on with it's Question 4/UKIP identifier
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment, which political party would you say you have usually most closely identified yourself with?
What Populus basically believe is that the 3 odd % who voted UKIP at GE2010 somehow consistently form 10% of every single one of their poll samples.
I believe people are answering:
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment, which political party would you say most closely identify yourself with?
I think you're misunderestimating just how many people have false recall on how they voted in 2010.
If the error bars on each share figure are +/- 3%, then the error bars on the lead will be at least as large, probably bigger.
Therefore, isn't this noise? Albeit rather fun noise.
No, I don't think it's noise. If it were noise, wouldn't there be only a probability of 0.5 ** 7, i.e less than 1%, that the Monday lead would come out bigger than previous Friday lead seven times out of seven? (Or twice that, if you include the possibility of the Monday lead coming out consistently smaller).
Baa! There am I deeply engrossed in a discussion on the political effects of the Act of Settlement 1701 and the effect of the Electress Sophia's death, only to find out that someone started a new thread an hour ago. Can't people who start a new thread just take thirty seconds to post a note on the old one to that effect. Mr. Eagles always does.
FPT - NP Chinese trains - a friend in Hong Kong who is a VERY picky traveller (Cathay is never good enough) is a big fan of the Chinese bullet trains and takes them by preference to flying. In addition to standard First, there is also apparently a "super first" used by party officials and red princes at the front of the train - networking opportunity?
On a Monday people are still a bit more cheerful and happy go lucky. Hey - so what if Labour screw the economy again? That was a fab barbecue last night.
By Thu the bills are on the doormat, job worries re-emerge and people start thinking 'god we'll be rogered if those muppets get back in'.
How bloody odd! For this trend to be so consistent and occur over such a long period of time, if I were running Populus I'd be taking a very close look at any differences in how the "Monday" and "Friday" polls were organised, collated and reported, comparing one with the other. This smacks of "human differential" in some form or other.
Mike Smithson notes "General elections are on Thursday – so good for CON?"
Any general election day is good for the Conservatives as long as Ed leads the Labour Party.
Are you making room for the pie that will be thrust on your face , Friday, 8 May 2015 ?
I always enjoy a fine pie and look forward to the Miliband Concession Pie at around 1.30am on that very day .... to be consumed with a decent pint of Ruddles.
Only thing I can think of was the same reason put forward to explain Labour doing better on polling conducted on Bank Holiday weekends - more affluent voters tend to be more likely to go away for the weekend. This will be more pronounced in the summer months. Given that polls are weighted to an extent by social class this doesn't necessarily work, but maybe there is enough of an effect amongst those who are better off within class categories.
On a Monday people are still a bit more cheerful and happy go lucky. Hey - so what if Labour screw the economy again? That was a fab barbecue last night.
By Thu the bills are on the doormat, job worries re-emerge and people start thinking 'god we'll be rogered if those muppets get back in'.
Ha ha ..... Patrick, you certainly have a way with words!
Mr. Putney, in my defence, he didn't get anywhere near a podium
Impressive drive from 17th, however.
In a positional sense, he missed the podium by 3 places in a 22 man field ....... this was a 16/1 bet and I did make the point that I didn't expect to collect.
In more important news. I'm off to Glasgow to watch the hockey tomorrow.
Are there any local customs I should be aware of, lest I get into trouble
Some England football / rugby fans wear a Knights Templar chain mail outfit with the red cross on a white background tabard over the top - I'd recommend you don't.
Mr. Putney, aye, but he was aided by the Force Indias both crashing out, maybe Gutierrez (he was 8th when he retired not sure if he was ahead of Raikkonen), Vettel cocking up by flat spotting new tyres with a spin, and Bottas being a bit unlucky with the safety car.
I do admit, Raikkonen finished far higher up the field than I expected. The Ferrari was pretty strong around Hungary, which may help it elsewhere.
Anyone else reckon the judge will turn out to be an Espanyol or Real Madrid fan?
A Spanish court will push ahead with prosecuting the Barcelona forward Lionel Messi for alleged tax evasion despite a recommendation from the public prosecutor the charges be dismissed.
The prosecutor argued in June that Messi’s father Jorge was responsible for the family’s finances and not the four-times World Player of the Year.
On the Ashcroft poll - Interesting that for the question about things that might happen in next 5 years, more said Taxes would be more likely to rise for people "like you" under the Tories. 34% v 24% picking Labour.
The other questions break down pretty much as you'd expect.
@Richard_Nabavi "However, property prices were still 6.4% higher compared with a year ago" How does that compare with the pay increases of those people who are trying to buy them? Bites your arse more like?
In more important news. I'm off to Glasgow to watch the hockey tomorrow.
Are there any local customs I should be aware of, lest I get into trouble
Some England football / rugby fans wear a Knights Templar chain mail outfit with the red cross on a white background tabard over the top - I'd recommend you don't.
I've worn my England rugby shirts in Dublin and Edinburgh with no problems.
In more important news. I'm off to Glasgow to watch the hockey tomorrow.
Are there any local customs I should be aware of, lest I get into trouble
Some England football / rugby fans wear a Knights Templar chain mail outfit with the red cross on a white background tabard over the top - I'd recommend you don't.
I've worn my England rugby shirts in Dublin and Edinburgh with no problems.
Assuming UKPR updates its poll averaging before then (currently based on data up to 23.7.14) then Stephen Fisher's Friday projection on which it is based could prove very interesting.
In more important news. I'm off to Glasgow to watch the hockey tomorrow.
Are there any local customs I should be aware of, lest I get into trouble
Some England football / rugby fans wear a Knights Templar chain mail outfit with the red cross on a white background tabard over the top - I'd recommend you don't.
I've worn my England rugby shirts in Dublin and Edinburgh with no problems.
TSE - it must have been the heavy overcoat which saved you.
In more important news. I'm off to Glasgow to watch the hockey tomorrow.
Are there any local customs I should be aware of, lest I get into trouble
Some England football / rugby fans wear a Knights Templar chain mail outfit with the red cross on a white background tabard over the top - I'd recommend you don't.
I've worn my England rugby shirts in Dublin and Edinburgh with no problems.
TSE - it must have been the heavy overcoat which saved you.
I think it was England were shellacked saved me from a fate worse than a discussion about electoral voting systems.
"However, property prices were still 6.4% higher compared with a year ago" How does that compare with the pay increases of those people who are trying to buy them?
It depends on the region, of course. That 6.4% includes the special case of London.
But mostly, prices have risen modestly over the last couple of years, partially (but not completely) reversing the big falls of the crash. So yes, houses are a bit more affordable than they were under Labour: even including London, the average house price in England and Wales is now £172,011 compared with the peak of £181,466 in November 2007:
So we have had a modest correction, much needed to get the market moving again and encourage housebuilders to build houses. At the same time we obviously don't want a bubble, and as you can see we haven't got one. It has been nicely judged.
Longer term, as everyone agrees, what we need is more building in the right places. That is now beginning to happen, after the long drought of the Labour years.
Longer term, as everyone agrees, what we need is more building in the right places. That is now beginning to happen, after the long drought of the Labour years.
Er, housebuilding is below pre-crash levels under Labour and way below the levels needed to keep pace with population growth.
@Neil That's why Dave had a special meeting about the housing stats due before the election. They decided to use the "Navabi gambit" ... Rearrange the figures and hope no one notices.
''Interesting that for the question about things that might happen in next 5 years, more said Taxes would be more likely to rise for people "like you" under the Tories. 34% v 24% picking Labour. ''
England accelerating now. Personally on this pitch I'd bat on tomorrow morning and try to score 700+ and collapse India under sheer weight of runs. Declaring early isn't always the most positive option; you just have to score the runs again, often more slowly, in the second innings. However that goes against the modern fashion.
England accelerating now. Personally on this pitch I'd bat on tomorrow morning and try to score 700+ and collapse India under sheer weight of runs. Declaring early isn't always the most positive option; you just have to score the runs again, often more slowly, in the second innings. However that goes against the modern fashion.
Ye that's what I'd do - Sporting Index is convinced Cook will declare at 550, just slogging till we are all out once we hit 550 would be a better option though.
England accelerating now. Personally on this pitch I'd bat on tomorrow morning and try to score 700+ and collapse India under sheer weight of runs. Declaring early isn't always the most positive option; you just have to score the runs again, often more slowly, in the second innings. However that goes against the modern fashion.
At least by batting again we can give our bowlers a few hours off. If we bat for 700 by lunch tomorrow we'd possibly spend the next 8 sessions in the field which would rather tire out the bowlers
IMF: On housing, the board said that the Government needed to be ready to reform the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme if house prices continued to surge.
Statistics released today: Seven out of 10 regions of England and Wales recorded month-on-month falls in house prices in June, overall prices unchanged, so prices aren't continuing to surge.
Arsenal sign Calum Chambers for £16m. That's £25m on right backs this summer after letting our first choice go for free!
Not looking good for Carl Jenkinson... Seems a lovely lad, and is an Arsenal fan but I never rated him... A mate of mine works with someone who went to school with him, and reckons when they played 5aside, Jenkinson was about 6th pick!
If he goes then at least his last game for the Gunners saw him get his only league goal for the club
Longer term, as everyone agrees, what we need is more building in the right places. That is now beginning to happen, after the long drought of the Labour years.
Er, housebuilding is below pre-crash levels under Labour and way below the levels needed to keep pace with population growth.
"housebuilding is below pre-crash levels under Labour "
On planet Zog, possibly. Down here is the biggest housing boom I have seen in my lifetime. The slums of tomorrow are being thrown up everywhere one looks. As for building enough new houses to keep up with population growth, forget it. With net immigration officially running at 200,000 a year and all the other causes of new households, it cannot be done.
''Interesting that for the question about things that might happen in next 5 years, more said Taxes would be more likely to rise for people "like you" under the Tories. 34% v 24% picking Labour. ''
Yes I noticed that too. Quite strange really.
Yes. You'd think everyone would remember the Conservatives putting up VAT.
And lying about it during the election campaigns in 2010 and 1979.
England accelerating now. Personally on this pitch I'd bat on tomorrow morning and try to score 700+ and collapse India under sheer weight of runs. Declaring early isn't always the most positive option; you just have to score the runs again, often more slowly, in the second innings. However that goes against the modern fashion.
At least by batting again we can give our bowlers a few hours off. If we bat for 700 by lunch tomorrow we'd possibly spend the next 8 sessions in the field which would rather tire out the bowlers
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equalcausation!Are you telling me that people change their mind halfway through the week and then back again as to who they are going to vote for ?!
Any general election day is good for the Conservatives as long as Ed leads the Labour Party.
Or more likely, different people respond.
BTW I doubt very much whether sentiment changes according to the day of week, so, no, it's not good news for the Tories, it's an indication that Populus hasn't got it quite right.
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment, which political party would you say you have usually most closely identified yourself with?
What Populus basically believe is that the 3 odd % who voted UKIP at GE2010 somehow consistently form 10% of every single one of their poll samples.
I believe people are answering:
Q.4 Regardless of which party, if any, you are likely to end up voting for at the next General Election due in May 2015 or are leaning towards at the moment, which political party would you say most closely identify yourself with?
"According to researchers from the London School of Economics, our moods are at their brightest on Saturday, with the weekend feelgood factor continuing into Sunday."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1319713/Tuesday-miserable-day-week.html#ixzz38loZzXkd
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/hungary-post-race-analysis.html
Especially pleased as I considered 5 potential bets for the race and the only one that came off (Red Bull to top score) was the one I tipped.
Mr. Putney, I think, backed Hamilton for a podium at 3.7. Very good bet, and I bet he found the latter laps as enthralling as I did.
In fact it ended as 20 to Bell, 1 to Ali, and Bell’s 100!
Therefore, isn't this noise? Albeit rather fun noise.
[Rewatching Farscape, weeknights at 7pm on Pick. Dr. Prasannan's Tebbit chip reminds me of Harvey].
It can only be attributable to human error
By Thu the bills are on the doormat, job worries re-emerge and people start thinking 'god we'll be rogered if those muppets get back in'.
For this trend to be so consistent and occur over such a long period of time, if I were running Populus I'd be taking a very close look at any differences in how the "Monday" and "Friday" polls were organised, collated and reported, comparing one with the other.
This smacks of "human differential" in some form or other.
Hamilton getting on the podium at 3.7, for instance.
Are the people sampled midweek from the same population as those sampled on weekends?
And yes, it was a great race.
The one crossover poll with populus this year was on a Monday.
Last year I noted a trend that YouGov for the Sunday Times generally had the largest leads of the week for yougov.
The fieldwork for those polls is mostly Friday and a bit of Thursday.
This trend isn't happening this year.
Impressive drive from 17th, however.
Con + 5
Lab-1
LD + 2
UKIP -3
Virtuous brilliant coalition parties surging.
Or just another typical Ashcroft poll.
The Greens must be disappointed that the yellow bird is soaring further away from them.
Are there any local customs I should be aware of, lest I get into trouble
Strewth!
Never over chill the Buckfast!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28521584
I do admit, Raikkonen finished far higher up the field than I expected. The Ferrari was pretty strong around Hungary, which may help it elsewhere.
A Spanish court will push ahead with prosecuting the Barcelona forward Lionel Messi for alleged tax evasion despite a recommendation from the public prosecutor the charges be dismissed.
The prosecutor argued in June that Messi’s father Jorge was responsible for the family’s finances and not the four-times World Player of the Year.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/28/lionel-messi-tax-barcelona
The other questions break down pretty much as you'd expect.
"However, property prices were still 6.4% higher compared with a year ago"
How does that compare with the pay increases of those people who are trying to buy them?
Bites your arse more like?
COuple of movements like that all the same way within their own bands of error and all of a sudden you have a movement outside the normal MoE...
If you look at the polls through a prism of a fundamental 3.5% lead for Labour then they all sort of make sense.
And UKIP are miles ahead of the Lib Dems, its not actually that close at the moment.
I'm convinced it would help the tories greatly if the market cooled further, giving more people at least some sort of shot at owning their home.
But mostly, prices have risen modestly over the last couple of years, partially (but not completely) reversing the big falls of the crash. So yes, houses are a bit more affordable than they were under Labour: even including London, the average house price in England and Wales is now £172,011 compared with the peak of £181,466 in November 2007:
http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/media/all-releases/press-releases/2014/market-trend-data-june-2014#sthash.WZNwif9N.dpuf
So we have had a modest correction, much needed to get the market moving again and encourage housebuilders to build houses. At the same time we obviously don't want a bubble, and as you can see we haven't got one. It has been nicely judged.
Longer term, as everyone agrees, what we need is more building in the right places. That is now beginning to happen, after the long drought of the Labour years.
That's why Dave had a special meeting about the housing stats due before the election.
They decided to use the "Navabi gambit" ... Rearrange the figures and hope no one notices.
Jul 28, 2014 03:59 pm
Still no croosover. Hic´
Yes I noticed that too. Quite strange really.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/43508/
IMF: On housing, the board said that the Government needed to be ready to reform the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme if house prices continued to surge.
Statistics released today: Seven out of 10 regions of England and Wales recorded month-on-month falls in house prices in June, overall prices unchanged, so prices aren't continuing to surge.
Not looking good for Carl Jenkinson... Seems a lovely lad, and is an Arsenal fan but I never rated him... A mate of mine works with someone who went to school with him, and reckons when they played 5aside, Jenkinson was about 6th pick!
If he goes then at least his last game for the Gunners saw him get his only league goal for the club
On planet Zog, possibly. Down here is the biggest housing boom I have seen in my lifetime. The slums of tomorrow are being thrown up everywhere one looks. As for building enough new houses to keep up with population growth, forget it. With net immigration officially running at 200,000 a year and all the other causes of new households, it cannot be done.
And lying about it during the election campaigns in 2010 and 1979.
Perhaps more could be done to make England bigger??
I feel this is one area where the government have really fallen down.