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Yesterday my wife was telephone polled for what appeared to be a seat specific survey in Bedford where we live. This is LAB target number 24 and was won by the Tories with a 3% majority in 2010.
And the Scottish competitor suggests they fly the Union flag at the medal ceremony.
Better Together
Dear Dear what a sad individual. Too thick to realise that he meant between the 3 of them it was Team GB. Typical sad unionist always looking for something negative and missing the point.
Foreign Office (FCO) (@foreignoffice) 27/07/2014 18:15 We advise against all travel to #Libya; British nationals in Libya should leave now by commercial means ow.ly/zCgPR
Foreign Office (FCO) (@foreignoffice) 27/07/2014 18:15 We advise against all travel to #Libya; British nationals in Libya should leave now by commercial means ow.ly/zCgPR
Foreign Office (FCO) (@foreignoffice) 27/07/2014 18:15 We advise against all travel to #Libya; British nationals in Libya should leave now by commercial means ow.ly/zCgPR
Where's a good Colonel when we need one?!
We usually help having him killed and then replace him with ............ whom / what ?
Thousands of Hamas-linked terrorists planned to invade Israel on the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah), which begins on September 24, according to an Israel security source. First reported by Ma'ariv, then in English by i24news, “thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.”
Foreign Office (FCO) (@foreignoffice) 27/07/2014 18:15 We advise against all travel to #Libya; British nationals in Libya should leave now by commercial means ow.ly/zCgPR
Libya, Iraq and when the troops leave Afghanistan have all been a disaster.
The Scottish people should vote yes , so they do not have to follow the British Foreign Office policies, especially if under Hammond there are also advocating leaving the EU.
However ,I imagine they will be frightened into voting NO, it will be up to Labour Voters in Scotland to take this generational opportunity to gain Independence from London.
Whilst it's very nice of Lord Ashcroft to do all this polling and to share his results with us all, I'm still unclear whether there is any great merit in polls of marginals. There were some big ones carried out before the next election, but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that they told us anything very much about either the big picture, or the detail of which seats would show a higher or lower swing than average. Obviously in principle they should do both, but there are two problems: (1) The sample size in a given constituency is unlikely to be big enough to distinguish real seat-by-seat differences from random statistical sample variation, and (2) It is very hard for pollsters to be confident that they have their weightings right for the particular seat in question.
The net result last time was (as far as I am aware) that you might have just as well taken the national polls and applied UNS. Obviously if you do that now with the current small Labour lead, you will predict that a lot of Conservative seats will be lost to Labour. Probably a marginals poll will come to the same conclusion. But does it actually take us any further towards evaluating what will happen in May 2015?
Does anyone know whether there were any post-mortems on the marginals polls last time, which might help us assess their usefulness?
Foreign Office (FCO) (@foreignoffice) 27/07/2014 18:15 We advise against all travel to #Libya; British nationals in Libya should leave now by commercial means ow.ly/zCgPR
Where's a good Colonel when we need one?!
We usually help having him killed and then replace him with ............ whom / what ?
Yorkcity This from a nation which has just elected a UKIP MEP.
In any case Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were not much better when Saddam, the Taliban and Gaddaffi were in charge. While on balance Iraq was probably a mistake, Afghanistan at least has got rid of the Taliban from the virtually complete control they had over the country pre-911 along with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden is now dead.
Of course it was also the British Parliament which sensibly voted down any intervention in Syria to try and topple Assad. As for non-interventionism, there was a recent preposterous tweet that Independence would allow Salmond to lead efforts to intervene in Gaza and secure peace in the Middle East
Not seen Alex Salmond at the Commonwealth games. Is he only allowed very limited visits to the event because of the referendum ? Often sporting authorities do apply rules which prevent politicians from using their events for political purposes. Nicola Sturgeon gave out an award the other day and she is the only SNP politician that I have seen.
Thousands of Hamas-linked terrorists planned to invade Israel on the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah), which begins on September 24, according to an Israel security source. First reported by Ma'ariv, then in English by i24news, “thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.”
Spin from Israel, hyperbole from captured Hamas terrorists, or the reason why Israel have gone so big and on for so long with their foray into Gaza?
Yeah, as if that plan could really work without air cover for the infiltrators or anti-aircraft defences against drones/fighter-bombers scrambled by Israel.
He already found a Tory hold in the first round of Tory marginals, Great Yarmouth
The UKIP candidate has stepped down "in light of the continuing court case." He is, of course, asserting his innocence, but it remains to be seen whether someone else local can be found who isn't in some way tainted by the case.
I know that frequently voters aren't normally aware, but surely no opponent would miss the chance of ensuring that they are.
Whilst it's very nice of Lord Ashcroft to do all this polling and to share his results with us all, I'm still unclear whether there is any great merit in polls of marginals. There were some big ones carried out before the next election, but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that they told us anything very much about either the big picture, or the detail of which seats would show a higher or lower swing than average. Obviously in principle they should do both, but there are two problems: (1) The sample size in a given constituency is unlikely to be big enough to distinguish real seat-by-seat differences from random statistical sample variation, and (2) It is very hard for pollsters to be confident that they have their weightings right for the particular seat in question.
The net result last time was (as far as I am aware) that you might have just as well taken the national polls and applied UNS. Obviously if you do that now with the current small Labour lead, you will predict that a lot of Conservative seats will be lost to Labour. Probably a marginals poll will come to the same conclusion. But does it actually take us any further towards evaluating what will happen in May 2015?
Does anyone know whether there were any post-mortems on the marginals polls last time, which might help us assess their usefulness?
Normally bigger swings in marginals ? They are weathervane seats, which indicate which party is likely to win an election ?
I can see parties carrying out their own polls, so they can find out where they may need to apply more resource. They may also ask questions about what issues people are interested in. e.g there may be a local hospital under threat of closure, in which case they can talk about NHS resource, without making any commitment.
Not seen Alex Salmond at the Commonwealth games. Is he only allowed very limited visits to the event because of the referendum ? Often sporting authorities do apply rules which prevent politicians from using their events for political purposes. Nicola Sturgeon gave out an award the other day and she is the only SNP politician that I have seen.
Alex was there at the Opener. He introduced the Malay prince (who in turn introduced Lizzie).
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
Thousands of Hamas-linked terrorists planned to invade Israel on the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah), which begins on September 24, according to an Israel security source. First reported by Ma'ariv, then in English by i24news, “thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.”
Yorkcity This from a nation which has just elected a UKIP MEP.
In any case Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were not much better when Saddam, the Taliban and Gaddaffi were in charge. While on balance Iraq was probably a mistake, Afghanistan at least has got rid of the Taliban from the virtually complete control they had over the country pre-911 along with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden is now dead.
Of course it was also the British Parliament which sensibly voted down any intervention in Syria to try and topple Assad. As for non-interventionism, there was a recent preposterous tweet that Independence would allow Salmond to lead efforts to intervene in Gaza and secure peace in the Middle East
HYUFD
Afghanistan had some merit initially in displacing the Taliban , there was no reason to stay this length of time. It will also follow the South Vietnam situation , when US Troops disengage. Iraq was the USA war, to correct the the previous one. Libya hard to see much improvement from the previous regime.
I hope Scotland does go Independent , which might finally get through to the ruk goverments that we are now no longer an add on to US policy.
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
I was almost banned, and received email warnings for accusing BobaFett of being Bobajob, and theLastBoyScout...
Hmmm
Well BobaFett has said he's not posting anymore, so does anyone fancy making a book on his next username?
I'm not sure who malcolmg thinks I am, but he seems to be accusing me of having an alter ego, and of not knowing my name. My first name is Jonathan, my middle name is James; hence the JonnyJimmy. My avatar is a picture of me, with my favourite singer. I've been to a number of PB events and have met OGH, FatSteve, NickP, Marf, PtP, JohnO, Pulpstar and a fair few others on here (but can't guarantee they'll remember me). I've posted here under this name since disqus, when I used to log in through my Facebook page.
And why should Ashcroft invest this money? Strikes me its because he wants to peddle the results to pursue his own agenda in the conservative party. If so what does that suggest about objectivity?
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
I'm not sure who malcolmg thinks I am, but he seems to be accusing me of having an alter ego, and of not knowing my name. My first name is Jonathan, my middle name is James; hence the JonnyJimmy. My avatar is a picture of me, with my favourite singer. I've been to a number of PB events and have met OGH, FatSteve, NickP, Marf, PtP, JohnO, Pulpstar and a fair few others on here (but can't guarantee they'll remember me). I've posted here under this name since disqus, when I used to log in through my Facebook page.
Who else do you think I am Malco?
Who is the bearded singer with the hat in your avatar ?
Whilst it's very nice of Lord Ashcroft to do all this polling and to share his results with us all, I'm still unclear whether there is any great merit in polls of marginals. There were some big ones carried out before the next election, but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that they told us anything very much about either the big picture, or the detail of which seats would show a higher or lower swing than average. Obviously in principle they should do both, but there are two problems: (1) The sample size in a given constituency is unlikely to be big enough to distinguish real seat-by-seat differences from random statistical sample variation, and (2) It is very hard for pollsters to be confident that they have their weightings right for the particular seat in question.
The net result last time was (as far as I am aware) that you might have just as well taken the national polls and applied UNS. Obviously if you do that now with the current small Labour lead, you will predict that a lot of Conservative seats will be lost to Labour. Probably a marginals poll will come to the same conclusion. But does it actually take us any further towards evaluating what will happen in May 2015?
Does anyone know whether there were any post-mortems on the marginals polls last time, which might help us assess their usefulness?
Properly weighted poll of the marginals would be fine as long as we did not extrapolate results for each marginal from there. Of course, nothing to stop him from funding a statistically representative poll for each marginal seat. But that needs serious cash which, I suppose, he has.
In other words, if the sample was taken from say 80 seats but the total was weighted correctly, it should not give inaccurate results. After all those are the seats which will change hands.
I'm not sure who malcolmg thinks I am, but he seems to be accusing me of having an alter ego, and of not knowing my name. My first name is Jonathan, my middle name is James; hence the JonnyJimmy. My avatar is a picture of me, with my favourite singer. I've been to a number of PB events and have met OGH, FatSteve, NickP, Marf, PtP, JohnO, Pulpstar and a fair few others on here (but can't guarantee they'll remember me). I've posted here under this name since disqus, when I used to log in through my Facebook page.
Who else do you think I am Malco?
Who is the bearded singer with the hat in your avatar ?
I'm the hatted beardy one, and I can only sing in the car with the music loud and no-one else present (I sing brilliantly then! )
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
I was almost banned, and received email warnings for accusing BobaFett of being Bobajob, and theLastBoyScout...
Hmmm
Well BobaFett has said he's not posting anymore, so does anyone fancy making a book on his next username?
As I recall he came clean about the rename once on a post and so you were banned despite him actually admitting it.
As JackW says, though ... if your face fits then you have influence. If it doesn't then you don't.
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
I think there's a bit more to life than medals tables. And there's also an argument that splitting us up encourages excellence as against complacency. In Rugby Union, the Three Nations championship would in my view lack a certain je ne sais quoi.
Thousands of Hamas-linked terrorists planned to invade Israel on the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah), which begins on September 24, according to an Israel security source. First reported by Ma'ariv, then in English by i24news, “thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.”
I'm not sure who malcolmg thinks I am, but he seems to be accusing me of having an alter ego, and of not knowing my name. My first name is Jonathan, my middle name is James; hence the JonnyJimmy. My avatar is a picture of me, with my favourite singer. I've been to a number of PB events and have met OGH, FatSteve, NickP, Marf, PtP, JohnO, Pulpstar and a fair few others on here (but can't guarantee they'll remember me). I've posted here under this name since disqus, when I used to log in through my Facebook page.
Who else do you think I am Malco?
Who is the bearded singer with the hat in your avatar ?
I'm the hatted beardy one, and I can only sing in the car with the music loud and no-one else present (I sing brilliantly then! )
YorkCity Having toppled the Taliban we needed to stay to allow the new elected government, security forces and infrastructure to develop, and in my view we should stay there as long as necessary. It is also a completely different scenario from S Vietnam, this is not a civil war and the US supporting the sham administration of General Nguyen Van Thieu. Indeed Afghans have just voted in large numbers for their new government and president and they should be supported, they do not want the Taliban back. Yes, there have been problems but the 2 sides seem to be coming together and once the Security Pact is signed some US and Nato troops will stay at least until 2016.
The first Gulf War actually achieved its aims of driving Saddam from Kuwait, unfortunately the second only brought chaos after Saddam's toppling I would agree. Even then, at least the Iraqis have a democratic government
Libya at least too has a democratic government rather than the sponsor of Lockerbie in charge.
As for US policy, Salmond has been making frequent visits to New York and the US to drum up nationalist sympathy, and of course the present US president opposed the Iraq War unlike the last Scottish PM
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
Mr. W., a while ago a poster said something about you that you took grave exception to. Said poster was, I understand, banned once you had made your displeasure known. All I ask is that you use some of that same "benign influence" with a view to reining in the continuous stream, of sometimes foul mouthed, insults that one poster seems to be able to get away with.
Numerous posters have complained about this situation in the past but have seemingly been ignored by OGH and the moderators. You seem to have more clout, hence my request.
And why should Ashcroft invest this money? Strikes me its because he wants to peddle the results to pursue his own agenda in the conservative party. If so what does that suggest about objectivity?
Why should there have to be an ulterior motive? As Lord Ashcroft is of the right then it's very plausible he's doing it for altruistic open reasons and a genuine desire to educate and help. The Left do not have that in their hearts and therefore cannot see it in others.
I'm not sure who malcolmg thinks I am, but he seems to be accusing me of having an alter ego, and of not knowing my name. My first name is Jonathan, my middle name is James; hence the JonnyJimmy. My avatar is a picture of me, with my favourite singer. I've been to a number of PB events and have met OGH, FatSteve, NickP, Marf, PtP, JohnO, Pulpstar and a fair few others on here (but can't guarantee they'll remember me). I've posted here under this name since disqus, when I used to log in through my Facebook page.
Who else do you think I am Malco?
I remember you from a pb drinks do. You wore your hat iirc
@HYUFD It takes a bold man to claim that either Libya or Iraq have governments at the present time, let alone democratic ones. Libya is currently ruled by various tribal strongmen. Iraq has fractured, perhaps permanently, into three areas, the north-east under the control of the Kurds, the west is now part of the Islamic State, while the rafida in the south-east remain nominally loyal to al-Maliki.
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
Mr. W., a while ago a poster said something about you that you took grave exception to. Said poster was, I understand, banned once you had made your displeasure known. All I ask is that you use some of that same "benign influence" with a view to reining in the continuous stream, of sometimes foul mouthed, insults that one poster seems to be able to get away with.
Numerous posters have complained about this situation in the past but have seemingly been ignored by OGH and the moderators. You seem to have more clout, hence my request.
If everyone ignores the blatant trolling, the situation will quickly resolve itself. When attention seekers fail to get any they tend to go away and quite quickly.
I'm not sure who malcolmg thinks I am, but he seems to be accusing me of having an alter ego, and of not knowing my name. My first name is Jonathan, my middle name is James; hence the JonnyJimmy. My avatar is a picture of me, with my favourite singer. I've been to a number of PB events and have met OGH, FatSteve, NickP, Marf, PtP, JohnO, Pulpstar and a fair few others on here (but can't guarantee they'll remember me). I've posted here under this name since disqus, when I used to log in through my Facebook page.
Who else do you think I am Malco?
I remember you from a pb drinks do. You wore your hat iirc
I remember both of you from Dirty Dick's. And I remember going to Marf's exhibition at the Guildhall in London with her, PeterthePunter and JonnyJimmy a couple of years ago.
LIAMT Maliki may be less than perfect as PM, but he did win most votes and most seats on a 62% turnout in this year's parliamentary election. A Kurd has also just been elected Iraqi President and a Sunni the Speaker.
Libya has also had a 62% turnout in parliamentary elections earlier this month
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
Mr. W., a while ago a poster said something about you that you took grave exception to. Said poster was, I understand, banned once you had made your displeasure known. All I ask is that you use some of that same "benign influence" with a view to reining in the continuous stream, of sometimes foul mouthed, insults that one poster seems to be able to get away with.
Numerous posters have complained about this situation in the past but have seemingly been ignored by OGH and the moderators. You seem to have more clout, hence my request.
YorkCity Having toppled the Taliban we needed to stay to allow the new elected government, security forces and infrastructure to develop, and in my view we should stay there as long as necessary. It is also a completely different scenario from S Vietnam, this is not a civil war and the US supporting the sham administration of General Nguyen Van Thieu. Indeed Afghans have just voted in large numbers for their new government and president and they should be supported, they do not want the Taliban back. Yes, there have been problems but the 2 sides seem to be coming together and once the Security Pact is signed some US and Nato troops will stay at least until 2016.
The first Gulf War actually achieved its aims of driving Saddam from Kuwait, unfortunately the second only brought chaos after Saddam's toppling I would agree. Even then, at least the Iraqis have a democratic government
Libya at least too has a democratic government rather than the sponsor of Lockerbie in charge.
As for US policy, Salmond has been making frequent visits to New York and the US to drum up nationalist sympathy, and of course the present US president opposed the Iraq War unlike the last Scottish PM
HYFUD
I think you are to optimistic in all the cases mentioned, especially that Libya has a democratic government in charge, I think you need to read more about the current situation. In essence, I think you are taking hook line and sinker current, and past British foreign office policies.
And why should Ashcroft invest this money? Strikes me its because he wants to peddle the results to pursue his own agenda in the conservative party. If so what does that suggest about objectivity?
Why should there have to be an ulterior motive? As Lord Ashcroft is of the right then it's very plausible he's doing it for altruistic open reasons and a genuine desire to educate and help. The Left do not have that in their hearts and therefore cannot see it in others.
If I recall correctly, Lord Ashcroft paid £1.5m for a single VC and has now saved a total of 148 Victoria Cross Medals for the nation – He even put up the £5million to house them in the Imperial War museum.
His Lordship does ‘altruism’ – big, stonking altruism in fact.
Given the news today I think your idea that Libya has a democratic government in charge is rather optimistic. Indeed I might venture so far as to suggest that Libya has joined the ranks of failed states with no effective government. Aside from removing the last dictator I am not sure what good our intervention in Libya actually achieved. The number of deaths form sectarian and tribal conflict continues to rise every day, a very large pool of weaponry has found its way onto the market, neighbouring countries are now less stable (two have required intervention by foreign forces) and, most importantly, we taught the Russian and Chinese governments that we do not care about the terms of UN resolutions (the situation in The Ukraine could be seen as a direct result of that little by-blow).
As for Afghanistan, we have at great cost in life and treasure supported a corrupt weasel and his corrupt pals whose writ barely runs through Kabul never mind the rest of the country. The Taliban may not take over the country again but the chances must be high of it once again descending in to a patch work of minor conflicts as warlords battle to maintain their turf and their share of the opium crop (now much larger than it was in 2006 when we put in ground troops). The very circumstances that led to the rise of the Taliban in the first place.
Iraq has a democratically elected government, true. However, it is one that has despite all promises sidelined (to put it mildly) the Sunni Minority and the Kurds are doing their own thing without any reference to Baghdad. A vicious Sunni insurgency has taken control of great chunks of the North West and the whole place seems to be descending into chaos and civil war. The death toll since our invasion? God knows. Will there ever be another general election? I doubt it. I think you'd struggle to find takers on a bet that Iraq will continue to exist as a unified state.
I wish I could share your optimism but with the best will in world I don't see a happy ending for the people of any of the three countries.
I'm aware that the MODERATORS have a tougher time at weekends but I regret to say this is one of the worst Sunday threads that PB has published, sadly undermined by an abusive troll.
Mr. W. you seem to have a direct line to OGH. Perhaps the next time you are chatting you might ask him why one of our number is, week after week, allowed to get away with abusing fellow posters to an extent that would have got anyone else banned months ago.
Actually we all have a direct line to Mike and the MODERATORS and I certainly have no special access and nor should I.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
Mr. W., a while ago a poster said something about you that you took grave exception to. Said poster was, I understand, banned once you had made your displeasure known. All I ask is that you use some of that same "benign influence" with a view to reining in the continuous stream, of sometimes foul mouthed, insults that one poster seems to be able to get away with.
Numerous posters have complained about this situation in the past but have seemingly been ignored by OGH and the moderators. You seem to have more clout, hence my request.
Clearly two different cases.
In the first an individual made an significant error of judgement in the heat of the moment, subsequently apologized in good faith and we all moved on without recrimination.
Trolling provides OGH and MODERATORS with more of a problem especially when 24 hour oversight is not possible and the site runs on instant publishing.
Mike is also extremely tolerant and correctly IMHO prefers a liberal light touch as default rather than reach for the big stick.
The judgement call comes when OGH has to decide whether insidious trolling is having such a deleterious effect on PB that light touch is inappropriate for some posters.
IMO that time has come.
Others outwith these threads should make their views known directly to Mike through the side bar contact should they feel the situation so warrants.
Actually I suspect it is Lothian Buses here in the Edinburgh area - publicluy owned 100%, pretty efficient, cheap, £1.50 flat fare, and only put at risk by Labour/Ld/Tories maliciously wrecking Scottish transport policy by allowing a Labour-LD coalition to make a howling mess of the Edinburgh trams.
It is actually National Express, you do not appear to know your bus companies. Just as it is Scottish National Party.
It is a nationalist party though, surely?
No, it';s a civic national party. Not like the romantic and blood and soil arguments you get from the unionists, i.e onlu those of Scots blood should vote never mind where they live, and we should vote no because we fought together with the EWNIish at D-day. Never did see what the Canadians, never mind the US, said to that argument of Mr Cameron ...
Not seen Alex Salmond at the Commonwealth games. Is he only allowed very limited visits to the event because of the referendum ? Often sporting authorities do apply rules which prevent politicians from using their events for political purposes. Nicola Sturgeon gave out an award the other day and she is the only SNP politician that I have seen.
Mr S was around on the second day - being photographed with his friends in the English team. Can't remember which sport it was though. He does have a country to run ...
Given the news today I think your idea that Libya has a democratic government in charge is rather optimistic. Indeed I might venture so far as to suggest that Libya has joined the ranks of failed states with no effective government. Aside from removing the last dictator I am not sure what good our intervention in Libya actually achieved. The number of deaths form sectarian and tribal conflict continues to rise every day, a very large pool of weaponry has found its way onto the market, neighbouring countries are now less stable (two have required intervention by foreign forces) and, most importantly, we taught the Russian and Chinese governments that we do not care about the terms of UN resolutions (the situation in The Ukraine could be seen as a direct result of that little by-blow).
As for Afghanistan, we have at great cost in life and treasure supported a corrupt weasel and his corrupt pals whose writ barely runs through Kabul never mind the rest of the country. The Taliban may not take over the country again but the chances must be high of it once again descending in to a patch work of minor conflicts as warlords battle to maintain their turf and their share of the opium crop (now much larger than it was in 2006 when we put in ground troops). The very circumstances that led to the rise of the Taliban in the first place.
Iraq has a democratically elected government, true. However, it is one that has despite all promises sidelined (to put it mildly) the Sunni Minority and the Kurds are doing their own thing without any reference to Baghdad. A vicious Sunni insurgency has taken control of great chunks of the North West and the whole place seems to be descending into chaos and civil war. The death toll since our invasion? God knows. Will there ever be another general election? I doubt it. I think you'd struggle to find takers on a bet that Iraq will continue to exist as a unified state.
I wish I could share your optimism but with the best will in world I don't see a happy ending for the people of any of the three countries.
Hurstlama
An excellent post, which I very much agree with.
I wonder, if the same thinking was in place at the highest level in the early 60s. I am sure Britain would have been like Australia and followed the US lead on Vietnam.
Mr S was around on the second day - being photographed with his friends in the English team. Can't remember which sport it was though. He does have a country to run ...
He was there at the Opening Ceremony, he introduced the Malay prince (who in turn introduced Lizzie).
LIAMT Maliki may be less than perfect as PM, but he did win most votes and most seats on a 62% turnout in this year's parliamentary election. A Kurd has also just been elected Iraqi President and a Sunni the Speaker.
Libya has also had a 62% turnout in parliamentary elections earlier this month
The precise proportion of the vote won by al-Maliki is utterly irrelevant, given that the Kurds have attained de facto independence, and much of the country has been annexed by the noble Caliph Ibrahim, who is also causing Mr al-Assad significant trouble, as recent events in Raqqa show. Likewise, in Libya, it is no good if the government has been endorsed at the ballot box, if, on the ground, the tribal strongmen are in charge. Your views demonstrate the foolish neglect of the philosophy of Augustine of Hippo in favour of that notorious charlatan J.-J. Rousseau in recent British foreign policy.
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
Does a united Germany win more Olympic medals than when there were separate East German and West German teams?
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
Does a united Germany win more Olympic medals than when there were separate East German and West German teams?
The danger with doing these simple aggregates is that a "Unified" team would have fewer eligible athletes for any given individual race or contest.
YorkCity The new government in Libya has yet to be formed as the elections were only this month, but whether we like what emerges or not it had a 62% turnout in that vote, not much different from what we have at general elections
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
Does a united Germany win more Olympic medals than when there were separate East German and West German teams?
Interesting question, but complicated by differences of policy/philosophy/legality in relation to sport between the two former countries.
He already found a Tory hold in the first round of Tory marginals, Great Yarmouth
The UKIP candidate has stepped down "in light of the continuing court case." He is, of course, asserting his innocence, but it remains to be seen whether someone else local can be found who isn't in some way tainted by the case.
I know that frequently voters aren't normally aware, but surely no opponent would miss the chance of ensuring that they are.
I think the point Mike is making relates to Con-Lab marginals.Whichever way you throw the dice, at the moment Great Yarmouth is a 3-way marginal,one of a number of Con-Lab-Ukip fights for which there is no real baseline for comparison,a real"wild card" function.The situation is further complicated by the Lab-Green,Lib-Con contests,the odd Lib-Lab-Con one too.We do not know whether the Libs will be able to squeeze voters away from Labour in Lib-Con marginals either,although there is some local evidence,added to Eastleigh,the Libs are rooted in like weeds you can't get rid of,and remain quite remarkably resilient.Ukip have continually surprised me and I find their general effect almost unquantifiable.
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
Does a united Germany win more Olympic medals than when there were separate East German and West German teams?
Nope.
The East German female swimmers and athletes were famously doped up to the eyeballs.
Ismael X I see Australia leads the medals table with 65 and 24 golds, followed by England with 54 and 21 golds and Scotland with 67 medals and 11 golds. Separately Australia leads, but together England +Scotland tops the table, let alone adding NI and Wales. Any better argument for Better Together? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
Does a united Germany win more Olympic medals than when there were separate East German and West German teams?
I'm not sure some of the east German "Ladies" would be eligible these days...
HurstLlama In Libya at least we got rid of Gaddaffi, who sponsored the deaths of 45 Britons on Pam Am 103. As for what new government emerges, as I said below, we will see, but it will have a mandate
Afghanistan was of course where the Taliban harboured Bin Laden and Al Qaeda who killed 67 Britons on 9/11. Now the Taliban have been ousted and Bin Laden is dead. Karzai was no saint I would agree, but he is old news and there was a high turnout again by Afghans in their recent vote to elect a new president. There have been post ballot controversies, but both Ghani and Abdullah have agreed to a full ballot verification and it looks like there will be some form of unity government formed, probably under Ghani with Abdullah in a senior role, and the security pact signed to ensure some Nato troops remain.
I do have more sympathy on Iraq, and at least Parliament sensibly stopped us toppling Assad (though we should perhaps have given aid to the FSA), but even there Iraqis are at least determining their own future, and as I said they have just elected a Kurdish President and Sunni Speaker of Parliament
LIAMT Maybe, and I did say in hindsight the Iraq invasion was mistaken, but still it was Iraqis who gave Maliki most votes, the US and NATO would have preferred another candidate.
In Libya, we will wait and see what government emerges and how they enforce their authority, but again Libyans are determining their own future
But he said on telly when asked if he was going to get married I think he said "I hope not" or words to that effect.. I mean he wouldn't do something against his own views for political reasons, now would he... Here's an article from that time period..
HurstLlama In Libya at least we got rid of Gaddaffi, who sponsored the deaths of 45 Britons on Pam Am 103. As for what new government emerges, as I said below, we will see, but it will have a mandate
Afghanistan was of course where the Taliban harboured Bin Laden and Al Qaeda who killed 67 Britons on 9/11. Now the Taliban have been ousted and Bin Laden is dead. Karzai was no saint I would agree, but he is old news and there was a high turnout again by Afghans in their recent vote to elect a new president. There have been post ballot controversies, but both Ghani and Abdullah have agreed to a full ballot verification and it looks like there will be some form of unity government formed, probably under Ghani with Abdullah in a senior role, and the security pact signed to ensure some Nato troops remain.
I do have more sympathy on Iraq, and at least Parliament sensibly stopped us toppling Assad (though we should perhaps have given aid to the FSA), but even there Iraqis are at least determining their own future, and as I said they have just elected a Kurdish President and Sunni Speaker of Parliament
Mr. Hyfud, I am not wholly sure that UK foreign policy should be geared around the number of Brits killed by the actions of foreign potentates. Their were Brits killed on the Malaysian plane, surely you don't suggest we go after Putin.
You are optimistic in relation to Libya and Afghanistan, as I said I cannot share that optimism. As for NATO troops remaining in the latter I cannot for one minute imagine what good they will do, though I note Cameron has committed us to providing some of these obvious targets for assassins and hostage takers.
LIAMT Maliki may be less than perfect as PM, but he did win most votes and most seats on a 62% turnout in this year's parliamentary election. A Kurd has also just been elected Iraqi President and a Sunni the Speaker.
Libya has also had a 62% turnout in parliamentary elections earlier this month
The precise proportion of the vote won by al-Maliki is utterly irrelevant, given that the Kurds have attained de facto independence, and much of the country has been annexed by the noble Caliph Ibrahim, who is also causing Mr al-Assad significant trouble, as recent events in Raqqa show. Likewise, in Libya, it is no good if the government has been endorsed at the ballot box, if, on the ground, the tribal strongmen are in charge. Your views demonstrate the foolish neglect of the philosophy of Augustine of Hippo in favour of that notorious charlatan J.-J. Rousseau in recent British foreign policy.
In what way was Rousseau a charlatan and we are a long way from "The CITY of GOD"?
Here's one of Eds first interviews as leader... I was a labour man at the time, and thought he came across really well. I haven't watched it since but I'm sure he does mention marriage and his own relationship...
OGH: "To me what’s interesting is that he appears to be moving up the scale to take in seats where the Tories have bigger majorities than those seats which he has polled twice in his first two rounds. This makes a lot of sense."
Really? Both OGH and Lord Ashcroft appear to be convinced that Labour are set to win a significant number of seats from the Tories. Yet based on very recent polls, it is likely that Stephen Fisher's next projection is likely to show the Tories winning more than the 307 seats they won in 2010. On this basis, perhaps Lord Ashcroft should also be moving DOWN the scale to take into account those marginal seats which are winnable FROM Labour.
One further thing, you mentioned Syria. The best thing we could have done in there for the good of all Syrians would have been to support Assad from the get go. A great many lives would have been saved, ethnic minorities protected and the disaster currently unfolding in Iraq avoided if foreign policy was decided from the head rather than the heart of some overgrown student politicians who have been allowed to play in the real world rather than the student union debating society.
Assad is a nasty dictator who ran a multi-ethnic, multi-religious country. A country in which, provided you kept you nose out of politics you could go about your business and religious practices at will. Just like Hong Kong in the old days, in fact.
HurstLlama There is of course no direct evidence Putin ordered the downing of the Malaysian plane, though Russian backed rebels are likely responsible. But of course there is now huge pressure on Cameron to act tough on Putin, starting with financial sanctions, and if Russia was not such a big country air strikes at least would not be off the table.
In Afghanistan we need to keep troops there as long as possible and the government needs them, though most will be withdrawn by the end of the year. If Hillary Clinton wins in 2016, and she has been vociferous in her opposition to the Taliban, followed by a Republican I can see US troops at least being there for decades if needed
I wanted to get a copy of Philippa Langley's book on discovering Richard III. I logged on yesterday at noon and found that the county has 2 copies, both at branches about 15 miles away.
I ordered one copy to be delivered to my local branch.
Today at lunchtime I get an email saying it's waiting for me. So at 2.30 I have my copy!
Here's one of Eds first interviews as leader... I was a labour man at the time, and thought he came across really well. I haven't watched it since but I'm sure he does mention marriage and his own relationship...
I wanted to get a copy of Philippa Langley's book on discovering Richard III. I logged on yesterday at noon and found that the county has 2 copies, both at branches about 15 miles away.
I ordered one copy to be delivered to my local branch.
Today at lunchtime I get an email saying it's waiting for me. So at 2.30 I have my copy!
On that subject, I think I have mentioned before that I would love to read "a book of dreams" by Peter Reich... Has anybody read it, or knows of a library that has a copy
OGH: "To me what’s interesting is that he appears to be moving up the scale to take in seats where the Tories have bigger majorities than those seats which he has polled twice in his first two rounds. This makes a lot of sense."
Really? Both OGH and Lord Ashcroft appear to be convinced that Labour are set to win a significant number of seats from the Tories. Yet based on very recent polls, it is likely that Stephen Fisher's next projection is likely to show the Tories winning more than the 307 seats they won in 2010. On this basis, perhaps Lord Ashcroft should also be moving DOWN the scale to take into account those marginal seats which are winnable FROM Labour.
Exactly my thoughts. I wonder if this week will see the usual pattern of larger Labour leads tomorrow (with goodness knows what in the Ashcroft poll which makes YouGov look static) slowly reducing as the week progresses. As Scotland is now a full month into the main holiday season in my opinion Scottish subsamples will be totally unreliable as a measure until the last week of August when the Scottish schools have returned and almost all Scots who are taking a 'summer holiday' will have done so.
HurstLlama I do generally agree on Assad, he is better than ISIS and Parliament was sensible to vote down military action. There may have been more of a case to arm the FSA who are at least fighting ISIS as well as Assad
I wanted to get a copy of Philippa Langley's book on discovering Richard III. I logged on yesterday at noon and found that the county has 2 copies, both at branches about 15 miles away.
I ordered one copy to be delivered to my local branch.
Today at lunchtime I get an email saying it's waiting for me. So at 2.30 I have my copy!
On that subject, I think I have mentioned before that I would love to read "a book of dreams" by Peter Reich... Has anybody read it, or knows of a library that has a copy
Bit expensive for me to buy a copy at the moment
The good news - shipping is $3.99
The bad news - you don't want to know :-(
Didn't he also write Shelter Island? I know the place well and have friends who live there
Peter They will win some from the LDs, but unless they get a lead of 8%+ over Labour they will not take any Labour seats
We shall see. Peter Kellner has made clear he is far from certain that is the case. If the LibDems revert to being the sort of party the Liberals was pre 1983, a very small lead will see the Tories take Labour seats. It just needs the Tories to be 1 vote ahead in each of 326 seats to win.
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The Women's cycling points race finishes
England, Gold
Wales, Silver
Scotland, Bronze
And the Scottish competitor suggests they fly the Union flag at the medal ceremony.
Better Together
27/07/2014 18:15
We advise against all travel to #Libya; British nationals in Libya should leave now by commercial means ow.ly/zCgPR
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706941/He-Middle-East-not-UK-Peace-envoy-Tony-Blair-blasted-throwing-surprise-birthday-party-wife-Cheries-60th-6million-mansion-Gaza-death-toll-passes-1-000.html
Every PBer's favourite bus company?
A. Nationalist Express!
First reported by Ma'ariv, then in English by i24news, “thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/25/Reports-Massive-Terrorist-Invasion-of-Israel-Thwarted-by-Security-Forces
Spin from Israel, hyperbole from captured Hamas terrorists, or the reason why Israel have gone so big and on for so long with their foray into Gaza?
The Scottish people should vote yes , so they do not have to follow the British Foreign Office policies, especially if under Hammond there are also advocating leaving the EU.
However ,I imagine they will be frightened into voting NO, it will be up to Labour Voters in Scotland to take this generational opportunity to gain Independence from London.
Don't forget to check my post-race analysis of the very exciting race in Hungary we enjoyed today:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/hungary-post-race-analysis.html
The net result last time was (as far as I am aware) that you might have just as well taken the national polls and applied UNS. Obviously if you do that now with the current small Labour lead, you will predict that a lot of Conservative seats will be lost to Labour. Probably a marginals poll will come to the same conclusion. But does it actually take us any further towards evaluating what will happen in May 2015?
Does anyone know whether there were any post-mortems on the marginals polls last time, which might help us assess their usefulness?
In any case Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were not much better when Saddam, the Taliban and Gaddaffi were in charge. While on balance Iraq was probably a mistake, Afghanistan at least has got rid of the Taliban from the virtually complete control they had over the country pre-911 along with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden is now dead.
Of course it was also the British Parliament which sensibly voted down any intervention in Syria to try and topple Assad. As for non-interventionism, there was a recent preposterous tweet that Independence would allow Salmond to lead efforts to intervene in Gaza and secure peace in the Middle East
I know that frequently voters aren't normally aware, but surely no opponent would miss the chance of ensuring that they are.
I can see parties carrying out their own polls, so they can find out where they may need to apply more resource. They may also ask questions about what issues people are interested in. e.g there may be a local hospital under threat of closure, in which case they can talk about NHS resource, without making any commitment.
That said there are a number of PBers (The Old Contemptibles) from the early days and a few others that have a modicum of benign influence.
Mike has always tried to follow a principle of light touch and at times he and the MODERATORS have shown the patience of saints with some posters and have only issued bans on infrequent occasions and often for short periods.
Trolling is a problem, the more so when it simply comprises inane, repetitive abuse and it damages the reputation and standing of PB when it gets out of hand.
Of course only what Israel is doing at the moment.
Afghanistan had some merit initially in displacing the Taliban , there was no reason to stay
this length of time.
It will also follow the South Vietnam situation , when US Troops disengage.
Iraq was the USA war, to correct the the previous one.
Libya hard to see much improvement from the previous regime.
I hope Scotland does go Independent , which might finally get through to the ruk goverments
that we are now no longer an add on to US policy.
Hmmm
Well BobaFett has said he's not posting anymore, so does anyone fancy making a book on his next username?
Who else do you think I am Malco?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/
In other words, if the sample was taken from say 80 seats but the total was weighted correctly, it should not give inaccurate results. After all those are the seats which will change hands.
As JackW says, though ... if your face fits then you have influence. If it doesn't then you don't.
The first Gulf War actually achieved its aims of driving Saddam from Kuwait, unfortunately the second only brought chaos after Saddam's toppling I would agree. Even then, at least the Iraqis have a democratic government
Libya at least too has a democratic government rather than the sponsor of Lockerbie in charge.
As for US policy, Salmond has been making frequent visits to New York and the US to drum up nationalist sympathy, and of course the present US president opposed the Iraq War unlike the last Scottish PM
Numerous posters have complained about this situation in the past but have seemingly been ignored by OGH and the moderators. You seem to have more clout, hence my request.
As Lord Ashcroft is of the right then it's very plausible he's doing it for altruistic open reasons and a genuine desire to educate and help. The Left do not have that in their hearts and therefore cannot see it in others.
It takes a bold man to claim that either Libya or Iraq have governments at the present time, let alone democratic ones. Libya is currently ruled by various tribal strongmen. Iraq has fractured, perhaps permanently, into three areas, the north-east under the control of the Kurds, the west is now part of the Islamic State, while the rafida in the south-east remain nominally loyal to al-Maliki.
Libya has also had a 62% turnout in parliamentary elections earlier this month
I think you are to optimistic in all the cases mentioned, especially that Libya has a democratic government in charge, I think you need to read more about the current situation.
In essence, I think you are taking hook line and sinker current, and past British foreign office policies.
His Lordship does ‘altruism’ – big, stonking altruism in fact.
Given the news today I think your idea that Libya has a democratic government in charge is rather optimistic. Indeed I might venture so far as to suggest that Libya has joined the ranks of failed states with no effective government. Aside from removing the last dictator I am not sure what good our intervention in Libya actually achieved. The number of deaths form sectarian and tribal conflict continues to rise every day, a very large pool of weaponry has found its way onto the market, neighbouring countries are now less stable (two have required intervention by foreign forces) and, most importantly, we taught the Russian and Chinese governments that we do not care about the terms of UN resolutions (the situation in The Ukraine could be seen as a direct result of that little by-blow).
As for Afghanistan, we have at great cost in life and treasure supported a corrupt weasel and his corrupt pals whose writ barely runs through Kabul never mind the rest of the country. The Taliban may not take over the country again but the chances must be high of it once again descending in to a patch work of minor conflicts as warlords battle to maintain their turf and their share of the opium crop (now much larger than it was in 2006 when we put in ground troops). The very circumstances that led to the rise of the Taliban in the first place.
Iraq has a democratically elected government, true. However, it is one that has despite all promises sidelined (to put it mildly) the Sunni Minority and the Kurds are doing their own thing without any reference to Baghdad. A vicious Sunni insurgency has taken control of great chunks of the North West and the whole place seems to be descending into chaos and civil war. The death toll since our invasion? God knows. Will there ever be another general election? I doubt it. I think you'd struggle to find takers on a bet that Iraq will continue to exist as a unified state.
I wish I could share your optimism but with the best will in world I don't see a happy ending for the people of any of the three countries.
In the first an individual made an significant error of judgement in the heat of the moment, subsequently apologized in good faith and we all moved on without recrimination.
Trolling provides OGH and MODERATORS with more of a problem especially when 24 hour oversight is not possible and the site runs on instant publishing.
Mike is also extremely tolerant and correctly IMHO prefers a liberal light touch as default rather than reach for the big stick.
The judgement call comes when OGH has to decide whether insidious trolling is having such a deleterious effect on PB that light touch is inappropriate for some posters.
IMO that time has come.
Others outwith these threads should make their views known directly to Mike through the side bar contact should they feel the situation so warrants.
Trust that the SNP fans here are taking it with good grace ?
Lesson of this weekend for me is that Rum & Mead are not "mixers". Still at least I didn't end up in Bournemouth !
An excellent post, which I very much agree with.
I wonder, if the same thinking was in place at the highest level in the early 60s. I am sure Britain would have been like Australia and followed the US lead on Vietnam.
@TimesNewsdesk: The good wife: Can Justine Miliband win the election for Ed? http://t.co/L6X9hf4sck
The road to GE 2015 is a foggy road.
The East German female swimmers and athletes were famously doped up to the eyeballs.
Afghanistan was of course where the Taliban harboured Bin Laden and Al Qaeda who killed 67 Britons on 9/11. Now the Taliban have been ousted and Bin Laden is dead. Karzai was no saint I would agree, but he is old news and there was a high turnout again by Afghans in their recent vote to elect a new president. There have been post ballot controversies, but both Ghani and Abdullah have agreed to a full ballot verification and it looks like there will be some form of unity government formed, probably under Ghani with Abdullah in a senior role, and the security pact signed to ensure some Nato troops remain.
I do have more sympathy on Iraq, and at least Parliament sensibly stopped us toppling Assad (though we should perhaps have given aid to the FSA), but even there Iraqis are at least determining their own future, and as I said they have just elected a Kurdish President and Sunni Speaker of Parliament
It would imply that image was more important to Ed than substance.
It does though match all the available facts
In Libya, we will wait and see what government emerges and how they enforce their authority, but again Libyans are determining their own future
Here's an article from that time period..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/apr/01/ed-miliband-marriage-justine-thornton
You are optimistic in relation to Libya and Afghanistan, as I said I cannot share that optimism. As for NATO troops remaining in the latter I cannot for one minute imagine what good they will do, though I note Cameron has committed us to providing some of these obvious targets for assassins and hostage takers.
Time will tell.
http://youtu.be/kNsSu3D5h4E
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2707025/In-week-economy-returned-pre-crisis-level-Why-I-ex-Labour-Minister-think-Ed-Balls-MUST-apologise-mess-left-writes-DIGBY-JONES.html
Really? Both OGH and Lord Ashcroft appear to be convinced that Labour are set to win a significant number of seats from the Tories. Yet based on very recent polls, it is likely that Stephen Fisher's next projection is likely to show the Tories winning more than the 307 seats they won in 2010. On this basis, perhaps Lord Ashcroft should also be moving DOWN the scale to take into account those marginal seats which are winnable FROM Labour.
One further thing, you mentioned Syria. The best thing we could have done in there for the good of all Syrians would have been to support Assad from the get go. A great many lives would have been saved, ethnic minorities protected and the disaster currently unfolding in Iraq avoided if foreign policy was decided from the head rather than the heart of some overgrown student politicians who have been allowed to play in the real world rather than the student union debating society.
Assad is a nasty dictator who ran a multi-ethnic, multi-religious country. A country in which, provided you kept you nose out of politics you could go about your business and religious practices at will. Just like Hong Kong in the old days, in fact.
In Afghanistan we need to keep troops there as long as possible and the government needs them, though most will be withdrawn by the end of the year. If Hillary Clinton wins in 2016, and she has been vociferous in her opposition to the Taliban, followed by a Republican I can see US troops at least being there for decades if needed
I wanted to get a copy of Philippa Langley's book on discovering Richard III. I logged on yesterday at noon and found that the county has 2 copies, both at branches about 15 miles away.
I ordered one copy to be delivered to my local branch.
Today at lunchtime I get an email saying it's waiting for me. So at 2.30 I have my copy!
Bit expensive for me to buy a copy at the moment
No such illusions anymore
!. Cant recall an Ebola victim outside of fiction throwing up on a plane before
2. best wishes to the medical teams, some very senior people gone down with it this time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/liberia/10993998/Ebola-outbreak-American-doctor-fighting-for-life-after-contracting-deadly-illness-in-Liberia.html
The bad news - you don't want to know :-(
Didn't he also write Shelter Island? I know the place well and have friends who live there