For the avoidance of doubt, you're saying the Palestinians should not use the methods that some Israelis used to obtain their state?
Firstly, I don't entirely see the relevance of this. I don't think China should use the methods we did to build our economy (slavery) but I still think the UK should negotiate trade deals with China and so on.
Secondly, the massacre of Palestinian villages were horrific war crimes. But the bombing (with several ignored warnings) of a hotel which had been converted to the military headquarters of British forces? How is that not a legitimate target of war?
The British were foremost in abolishing slavery and the slave trade. Britain was not at war with anyone when the hotel was bombed. It was fulfilling a UN mandate. Since it was not at war then the bombing was a crime carried out by terrorists.
No formal declaration, but an awful lots of British troops doing an awful lot of fighting. To people there at the time it would have looked suspiciously like a war. Now if you're saying that all violence by non-state groups is terrorism because there is never a formal declaration of war then that's your view and a consistent one at that, but I think it's not a particularly useful definition for any purpose we might want to use it for - such as discussing the morality/legitimacy of actions.
As for slavery, we were indeed foremost in abolishing it. My point was just that the actions Israel took in 1948 and earlier aren't obviously relevant in the actions Hamas can now legitimately take. The actions Israel is taking in 2014 are much more relevant.
A YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the public supports the call for Russia to lose the World Cup and the grand prix by a margin of more than two to one; 50% of voters say Russia should be stripped of the World Cup and 51% the grand prix. In both cases just 22% disagree; 65% back trade sanctions.
What I find amazing about the whole issue of FGM is the utter naïveté of the political class in Britain who allowed so many immigrants into the country without bothering to do any research whatsoever into the sort of customs that are regarded as normal in many of the countries from which they come. How stupid can you be?
‘I pleaded guilty from the beginning – well, I probably wriggled for a bit – but I accepted what I’d done was wrong, I apologised and then I paid back all the money.’
MacShane admitted to filling in false claims, but said he was merely covering his expenses for foreign trips in his role as a former Europe Minister under Tony Blair.
He just can't help himself....wriggled for a bit apparently, merely covering costs. Lets just remind ourselves of all that money he claimed for his "office" and the fact he paid his brother.
697K voters, would think about emigrating in the event of a “yes” vote in September.
Hmm, I thought only London based luvvies said that sort of thing?
I can just see 1 in 7 of the population leaving , sounds very plausible poll. Who makes this crap up.
Ir's not 1 in 7 leaving though is it? It's 1 in 7 thinking about leaving. A lot of people think about a lot of things and don't actually do it...
Quite. I think I've seen a poll showing a larger proportion that 1 in 7 (more like 1 in 4 IIRC) would like to emigrate from Britain. Not that many actually do.
‘I pleaded guilty from the beginning – well, I probably wriggled for a bit – but I accepted what I’d done was wrong, I apologised and then I paid back all the money.’
MacShane admitted to filling in false claims, but said he was merely covering his expenses for foreign trips in his role as a former Europe Minister under Tony Blair.
He just can't help himself....wriggled for a bit apparently, merely covering costs. Lets just remind ourselves of all that money he claimed for his "office" and the fact he paid his brother.
Lets also remember that initially the plod couldn't get evidence due to parliamentary privilege. It was only after several years that the standards committee published the evidence, which then enabled him to be prosecuted.
He hardly held his hands up and said fair cop gov.
Now the ads are asking me if I leave my AC on when I leave the house. Now I've never googled AC in my life, but I was talking about it here on PB a few days ago. Seem that these ads also pick up on what we post here
@RobD It is ALLEGEDLY. It functions on the infinite bribery method, a number generated by working out who paid whom. I of course would never think such a calumny.
What I find amazing about the whole issue of FGM is the utter naïveté of the political class in Britain who allowed so many immigrants into the country without bothering to do any research whatsoever into the sort of customs that are regarded as normal in many of the countries from which they come. How stupid can you be?
They genuinely thought everyone would be so glad to be British that they'd give up all their own beliefs and mingle in
I'm being offered a Family & Friends Railcard, fair enough I do look up train times quite a lot. And also how to avoid running out of money in retirement "if I have a £250,000 portfolio". And cheap printer ink from a website I already use - so that one's wasted.
I'm being offered a Family & Friends Railcard, fair enough I do look up train times quite a lot. And also how to avoid running out of money in retirement "if I have a £250,000 portfolio". And cheap printer ink from a website I already use - so that one's wasted.
It's obvious, avoid running out of money in retirement by stockpiling printer ink (it's only going to go up and up), while selling the car and exclusively using the railways!
What I find amazing about the whole issue of FGM is the utter naïveté of the political class in Britain who allowed so many immigrants into the country without bothering to do any research whatsoever into the sort of customs that are regarded as normal in many of the countries from which they come. How stupid can you be?
They genuinely thought everyone would be so glad to be British that they'd give up all their own beliefs and mingle in
I still have difficulty in believing the numbers quoted. As far as I know, FGM is practised only in Upper Egypt and Sudan. Maybe Somalia.
A YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the public supports the call for Russia to lose the World Cup and the grand prix by a margin of more than two to one; 50% of voters say Russia should be stripped of the World Cup and 51% the grand prix. In both cases just 22% disagree; 65% back trade sanctions.
Do the public also think that Britain decides to hosts the World Cup ?
But Danny Alexander has revealed that he is preparing to take on the Tories in media appearances, and plans a blitz of speeches in the autumn ahead of his party’s conference.
Leaflets and briefing papers criticising the Conservatives are being sent to Lib Dem activists around the country so that they can get their points across to voters on the doorstep.
The plan is being called Operation Roman in Lib Dem circles after Monty Python’s “What have the Romans ever done for us?” joke from the film Life of Brian.
The Lib Dems are portraying themselves as the Romans, believing they “never get the credit” for their achievements in government.
"Biggus Nickus" [tries to stifle laughter]
"What's so funny about Biggus Nickus?"
I so want to write a thread on this, I'd be able to segue in so many subtle Life of Brian references.
Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in gladiator school vewy quickly with wotten behaviour like that.
When the Lib Dems are reduced to 10 MPs at the next election, you know what we're all going to sing.
Always look on the bright side of life.
10 ?
Which of
Twickenham Bristol West Leeds North West Ceredigion North East Fife Westmorland & Lonsdale North Norfolk Bath Majority Sheffield, Hallam Ross, Skye & Lochaber Orkney & Shetland
But Danny Alexander has revealed that he is preparing to take on the Tories in media appearances, and plans a blitz of speeches in the autumn ahead of his party’s conference.
Leaflets and briefing papers criticising the Conservatives are being sent to Lib Dem activists around the country so that they can get their points across to voters on the doorstep.
The plan is being called Operation Roman in Lib Dem circles after Monty Python’s “What have the Romans ever done for us?” joke from the film Life of Brian.
The Lib Dems are portraying themselves as the Romans, believing they “never get the credit” for their achievements in government.
"Biggus Nickus" [tries to stifle laughter]
"What's so funny about Biggus Nickus?"
I so want to write a thread on this, I'd be able to segue in so many subtle Life of Brian references.
Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in gladiator school vewy quickly with wotten behaviour like that.
When the Lib Dems are reduced to 10 MPs at the next election, you know what we're all going to sing.
Always look on the bright side of life.
10 ?
Which of
Twickenham Bristol West Leeds North West Ceredigion North East Fife Westmorland & Lonsdale North Norfolk Bath Majority Sheffield, Hallam Ross, Skye & Lochaber Orkney & Shetland
are they losing ?
I can think of three or four of those they might lose, including Twickenham, Bristol, Leeds and North Norfolk.
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And LOL at TSE's ads, and especially the browser history bracelet!!
As for slavery, we were indeed foremost in abolishing it. My point was just that the actions Israel took in 1948 and earlier aren't obviously relevant in the actions Hamas can now legitimately take. The actions Israel is taking in 2014 are much more relevant.
A YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the public supports the call for Russia to lose the World Cup and the grand prix by a margin of more than two to one; 50% of voters say Russia should be stripped of the World Cup and 51% the grand prix. In both cases just 22% disagree; 65% back trade sanctions.
MacShane admitted to filling in false claims, but said he was merely covering his expenses for foreign trips in his role as a former Europe Minister under Tony Blair.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706888/Ex-minister-Denis-Macshane-jailed-bogus-expenses-claims-turns-colleagues.html
He just can't help himself....wriggled for a bit apparently, merely covering costs. Lets just remind ourselves of all that money he claimed for his "office" and the fact he paid his brother.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/16/article-0-04EC57B9000005DC-295_468x348.jpg
Did they poll the Russians as well? ;-)
Oh, wait...
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28464009
He hardly held his hands up and said fair cop gov.
How many Englishmen want the world cup back because those damned Ruski's cheated anyway?
It is ALLEGEDLY.
It functions on the infinite bribery method, a number generated by working out who paid whom.
I of course would never think such a calumny.
Congratulations to David and his new spouse. Hope you had a great day.
Which of
Twickenham
Bristol West
Leeds North West
Ceredigion
North East Fife
Westmorland & Lonsdale
North Norfolk
Bath Majority
Sheffield, Hallam
Ross, Skye & Lochaber
Orkney & Shetland
are they losing ?
I think Charlie is safe, mind.